Alferon
Alferon is a natural interferon, I have a PDF file I will send to anyone. I tried posting it but it is rather large, email me and I will send it on to you, I have had good luck with my FIV cat with it, Kelly
Re: Asia - new/additional diagnosis
I personally think the Innova Evo is a really good food, and have never even heard of Natural Balance. But you're right, at this point, the important thing is just to get anything into her, so I'd feed her which-ever she likes the best! I'm SO glad you got that second opinion from a better vet! Sounds like you are on the right track, and that you have a good vet to work with now. Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Two copies of every email?
nope! (am terribly tempted to send this twice, but that's just the kind of week i've had.) On 11/24/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT Big problem, help
Thanks guys, I was very freaked out this morning when I got the initial email, but I am a lot calmer now. I really don't think there are pet limit laws, but I need to find out for sure, just for my own info. I met a lady at the low cost shot clinic one morning who told me that animal control had told her that as long as they all had rabies shots and were registered she was in the clear...one of her neighbors complained. Not sure if she was right or not. She had been getting them shots all week. On 11/24/06, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid that's true. You have a foster agreement with this rescue, correct? I also think that if you get into a battle with this group it could jeopardize your other cats. They could get nasty and send Animal Control to your door, even if there are no pet limit laws where you live and your place is spotlessly clean. All it takes is a false allegation and then you're on the defensive and having to prove the allegations were false and malicious. *Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: I think you're pretty much out of luck on this one Kelley. I'd call it a learning experience, and let her come take the cats, and then NEVER deal with that group again. If the cats are costing you more and more every day, it only makes sense to let the rescue come pick them up if you are not willing to continue to pay for the vet bills (and you're not willing, you have said many times that you expect the rescue to pay these bills, not yourself). I think you will recall several of us on the list advised that you should just return the cats to the rescue back when you first posted. If you don't want to return the cats, then you will have to adopt them, and pay the adoption fees (and eat the costs up to this point). A foster home is just that, a temporary home for the cats until the rescue can take them back, or until they are adopted (whichever comes first). It is your duty to release the cats back to the rescue if you are contracted as a FOSTER home. All their bad policy aside, that's what it comes down to, you CANNOT keep the cats unless you ADOPT them. You have two choices, either call it a loss, pay the adoption fees, and keep the cats (assuming they will approve your adoption application, which they may not at this point); or return the cats to the rescue and end your foster contract with that rescue group. Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Big problem, help
Here's the section of the Austin city code that deals with restrictions on animals, as they call it. I didn't see anything about a limit in it. _Austin, TX Online Resources_ (http://www.amlegal.com/austin_nxt/gateway.dll?f=templatesfn=default.htmvid=amlegal:austin_tx) Yvonne
Re: Asia - new/additional diagnosis
Dianne, Best wishes prayers are on the way for you Asia. Yvonne
RE: combining treatments
What do you mean by going down hill - have you checked his blood work to see which organs were effected? I have heard from my vet that steroid injection can cause acute organ failure sometimes... and even death in rare and rare case due to it. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 4:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: combining treatments Are you sure that what he has is a URI? If steroids helped, it might be something else. What are the symptoms? Immuno-regulin usually helps with URi's at that dose. It can be given 1 ml, which is twice the dose-- the vet who wrote the article on the website uses that dose, and I have used that dose in the past. You might try it. I don't know anything about Alferon. What is it? Michelle In a message dated 11/24/2006 5:22:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm posting this again because I don't think it went through the first time. My FeLV 12yo cat with an URI which has been treated for almost 2 months and was started on Baytril on 11/22/06. He has been in a bad way because of not eating/drinking. He did respond to the Baytril injection and B12 injection. Has been on Immunoregulin 1/2cc IV for almost 3 weeks 2x a week. Unfortunately was given a steroid injection with the third dose. After the steroid wore off he went downhill quickly. I added Alferon 1cc/50ui on 11/21. I have now been getting conflicting advice regarding given both immune stimulants at the same time. Does anyone know if this can be done? Do they compete against each other? Thanks Candace
Re: Asia - new/additional diagnosis
I would DEFINITELY stay with EVO. Lymphoma thrives on carbs, so you should limit those. EVO does not have many carbs, as it is grain-free. Some people buy Essiac tea at the health food store and syringe a little of that every day. It is a holistic anti-cancer treatment. There is one amino acid that is supposed to fight lymphoma as well, but I can't remember the name. Hills or Walthams has a special lymphoma diet for dogs that is rich in that amino acid-- you can check, and then supplement Asia with it, as there is no commercial lymphoma diet for cats to my knowledge. The most important thing, though, will be the chemo and steroids that you are doing. I am so glad that you started him on that. Michelle In a message dated 11/24/2006 9:16:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Asia, me and my dear friend, Sue (Aunt Sue to Asia and my dogs) went to the veterinarian oncologist this afternoon for a consult. Ultra sound and x-ray later, Asia has a huge mass near her heart and lungs! She has lymphoma! We began treatment today, go back on next Friday. Dr. Ward said I should see a different cat within 48 hrs. Anything I can get in her to eat is fine, etc. Ok, so now what do all of you recommend for supplementation? I am going to get some nutrical as I know where to get that immediatelyand will order some of the good milk for supplementation for her. Not sure if I should go back to the Innova EVO or stay with Natural Balance, your advice please. Any other supplements recommended for lymphoma ? Thanks for your support! and of course she is FELV positive, 70% of the cats with lymphoma are. Dianne and Asia
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
Dianne, I am so glad you went and that this is treatable! Thank you for keeping us posted. elizabeth In a message dated 11/25/06 00:00:31 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr. Ward did an ultra sound immediately, saw a big mass near the heart. This is what was done today: Echo: Mediastinal Mass FNA: lymphoblasts Cx: Mediastinal lymphoma Tx: Oncovin o.05 mg IV Depo Mectol (?) 1 cmg Cytoxan 25 mg PO She gave that today and we go back next Friday. She says it is very treatable and I should see a different cat in 48 hrs. She said she likes to start with low doses so cat doesn't get so sick she won't eat again, we will up it as needed. She did ECHO and an x-ray, I was in room and saw the mass on the ECHO and then she showed me the x-ray too...we can use it to compare ... She also gave me an article she wrote : MEDVET, Columbus, Ohio Onocology and Hematology Proceedings of the 20thWaltham/OSU Symposium She prefers the COP Protocol. I will keep you posted about Ms. Asia's progress. Dianne and Asia
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
I'm sorry about the mass, but glad you are seeing someone who will treat it. The COP protocol is an old protocol, I think. I think many oncologists use the Wisconsin protocol now. I don't know what Oncovin is. The Wisconsin protocol starts with Elspar, I believe. I highly recommend you join the feline lymphoma group as well, which I think is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) . I learned a tremendous amount about lymphoma and its treatments from them when my Simon had it. Michelle In a message dated 11/25/2006 1:00:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr. Ward did an ultra sound immediately, saw a big mass near the heart. This is what was done today: Echo: Mediastinal Mass FNA: lymphoblasts Cx: Mediastinal lymphoma Tx: Oncovin o.05 mg IV Depo Mectol (?) 1 cmg Cytoxan 25 mg PO She gave that today and we go back next Friday. She says it is very treatable and I should see a different cat in 48 hrs. She said she likes to start with low doses so cat doesn't get so sick she won't eat again, we will up it as needed. She did ECHO and an x-ray, I was in room and saw the mass on the ECHO and then she showed me the x-ray too...we can use it to compare ... She also gave me an article she wrote : MEDVET, Columbus, Ohio Onocology and Hematology Proceedings of the 20thWaltham/OSU Symposium She prefers the COP Protocol. I will keep you posted about Ms. Asia's progress. Dianne and Asia
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
Thanks Michelle. I thing the COP protocol is old but she has had good success with itso we will go with it for now. I have already joined the lymphoma group, thanks! She is doing great today! Eating, wandering around the house, on the computer desk now, been looking out the patio doors/they are closed, rubbing up against the doggies that are her friends, kissing me, meowing, purring She was NOT doing that stuff Tues and Wed not much of it Thurs eitherstarted today! I am encouraged. I know it is just the beginning and I am hopeful that we will have much more time together. Dianne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Ward's consult I'm sorry about the mass, but glad you are seeing someone who will treat it. The COP protocol is an old protocol, I think. I think many oncologists use the Wisconsin protocol now. I don't know what Oncovin is. The Wisconsin protocol starts with Elspar, I believe. I highly recommend you join the feline lymphoma group as well, which I think is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I learned a tremendous amount about lymphoma and its treatments from them when my Simon had it. Michelle In a message dated 11/25/2006 1:00:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr. Ward did an ultra sound immediately, saw a big mass near the heart. This is what was done today: Echo: Mediastinal Mass FNA: lymphoblasts Cx: Mediastinal lymphoma Tx: Oncovin o.05 mg IV Depo Mectol (?) 1 cmg Cytoxan 25 mg PO She gave that today and we go back next Friday. She says it is very treatable and I should see a different cat in 48 hrs. She said she likes to start with low doses so cat doesn't get so sick she won't eat again, we will up it as needed. She did ECHO and an x-ray, I was in room and saw the mass on the ECHO and then she showed me the x-ray too...we can use it to compare ... She also gave me an article she wrote : MEDVET, Columbus, Ohio Onocology and Hematology Proceedings of the 20thWaltham/OSU Symposium She prefers the COP Protocol. I will keep you posted about Ms. Asia's progress. Dianne and Asia
Re: Hi again and Question
Thanks everyone for your feedback and suggestions! I appreciate it! I've had Slink on L-Lysine for a couple months now (twice a day in his food) along with Vitamin C and probiotics. I also feed him Innova Evo and Wellness (only because he likes variety and gets bored and stops eating the Evo if that's all I give him). I'm thinking I may swtich to raw in the near future...when I have enough money to get started. Thanks again! He seems to be doing fine now. The only thing I've noticed lately is that when he purrs he sounds congested (but his breathing is normal and he's not coughing). So I don't know if that's just a weird purring thing or...? Any ideas? Hope you and your babies are all doing well! MJ Lance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Marissa, I don't think the vomit is a big deal, unless it's happening regularly. Ember ate too much of her food too fast a few weeks ago, and she barfed in a similar fashion to what you're describing. I haven't seen it happen since. Regarding the sneezing, the same thing went through my mind that went through Wendy's: Lysine. It's cheap and has a good reputation with colds/URIs in FeLV+ kitties... actually, kitties in general. I don't give Ember Lysine right now, but if she were to start sneezing, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Regarding food, you might check out Innova EVO. It's supposedly the closest thing to feeding raw. Ember does pretty well with it. There are a few other brands with natural/organic ingredients that have more nutritional value than your average corn-based cat food. Felidae might be worth checking out, and I've also used Chicken Soup for the Cat Lover's Soul. It's more widely available here than most of the other good stuff. I hope Slinky feels better soon. Lance - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: Asia - new/additional diagnosis
Went back to the EVO todayalso bought no grain canned food in a variety of flavors for her, we will see what she will eat. Want to ask oncologist about supplements before I buy too many Dianne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Asia - new/additional diagnosis I would DEFINITELY stay with EVO. Lymphoma thrives on carbs, so you should limit those. EVO does not have many carbs, as it is grain-free. Some people buy Essiac tea at the health food store and syringe a little of that every day. It is a holistic anti-cancer treatment. There is one amino acid that is supposed to fight lymphoma as well, but I can't remember the name. Hills or Walthams has a special lymphoma diet for dogs that is rich in that amino acid-- you can check, and then supplement Asia with it, as there is no commercial lymphoma diet for cats to my knowledge. The most important thing, though, will be the chemo and steroids that you are doing. I am so glad that you started him on that. Michelle In a message dated 11/24/2006 9:16:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Asia, me and my dear friend, Sue (Aunt Sue to Asia and my dogs) went to the veterinarian oncologist this afternoon for a consult. Ultra sound and x-ray later, Asia has a huge mass near her heart and lungs! She has lymphoma! We began treatment today, go back on next Friday. Dr. Ward said I should see a different cat within 48 hrs. Anything I can get in her to eat is fine, etc. Ok, so now what do all of you recommend for supplementation? I am going to get some nutrical as I know where to get that immediatelyand will order some of the good milk for supplementation for her. Not sure if I should go back to the Innova EVO or stay with Natural Balance, your advice please. Any other supplements recommended for lymphoma ? Thanks for your support! and of course she is FELV positive, 70% of the cats with lymphoma are. Dianne and Asia
Re: Two copies of every email?
At 06:09 AM 11/25/2006, you wrote: Mine are arriving 8 hour late, If I get them at all, Kelly L this is really scary, elizabeth--you sent this an hour before i sent my tongue-in-cheek response, but i didn't get it til hours AFTER i'd sent mine! On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am - started last night. I am - started last night. elizabeth elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 20:41:05 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
Sounds good so far, good luck Dianne! Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: OT: my feral calico mama Angelica is back!!
that's great, Hideyo. You needed some good news. Michelle
Re: Blaze please add to the CLS
so sorry, Sherry. I find the weather change can have an effect on them. Michelle
Re: Petechia/Hemotomas and bloodwork results
My vet called to say she would treat BooBo using Dioxy -- but she really hasn't been diagnosed with a cause for being slightly anemic. Do you know if there is a danger in treating using Dioxy and/or Interfon without having a diagnosis for cause? She also (the vet) said they have Interfon and could use that. BooBo has seemed okay for the past couple of weeks, her spots disappeared but then came back and are slowly disappearing again. She seems a little quiet today however. Another vet (who didn't look at BooBo but was briefed by the clinic manager) said to re-test her in 3 months -- they feel she will re-test negative as her brother and mother tested negative. Anita winmail.dat
Re: Hi again and Question
sometimes the very rapid sneezing is the result of a one-time breathing-in of something as simple as dust or some other fine substance MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
That's great!! I hope it continues for a long time, too. If at some point she stops responding, there are a few chemo drugs to ask about-- CCNU being one, Elspar being another if she is not using it now. But hopefully that will not be the case for a long time. Your old vet should be ashamed of himself. Unfortunately, vets like him are more the norm than the exception-- it is how they respond. I am hopeful about this changing, slowly, because I met an intern who told me that at least some vet schools are now teaching that FeLV is not a death sentence and cats can live a long time with it, and that cats with it should be treated for the problems that arise. Michelle In a message dated 11/25/2006 5:39:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Michelle. I thing the COP protocol is old but she has had good success with itso we will go with it for now. I have already joined the lymphoma group, thanks! She is doing great today! Eating, wandering around the house, on the computer desk now, been looking out the patio doors/they are closed, rubbing up against the doggies that are her friends, kissing me, meowing, purring She was NOT doing that stuff Tues and Wed not much of it Thurs eitherstarted today! I am encouraged. I know it is just the beginning and I am hopeful that we will have much more time together. Dianne
Re: Prevalence of FELV?
It depends greatly on the area the studies were done in, so you will se a lot of variances in the numbers depending on the source. I would suspect it's no more common in ferals (true, wild, unsocialized cats) than in free-roaming domestics (strays, owned cats allowed to go outside, escaped housecats). Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: Scooter has gone to the bridge
Peggy, I'm so sorry you lost Scooter. tonya Peggy Ankney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our little baby wasnt strong enough to hold on over the weekend. The vet called yesterday to say that his condition had worsened. He was no longer responding to their petting or holding him, and didnt even stand up during the examination, and seemed to be in much more pain. She had given him more pain medicine and he was basically out of it. I asked about the dex cocktail, and she said his kidneys were even more enlarged and felt hard and she didnt think it would help at this point. My husband and I didnt want him to continue to suffer, so we decided to let him go. We are comforted by the fact that he did find us, as he would have likely starved to death from the mass in his mouth, so at least we were able to help him finish this life in comfort and warmth. We only had him for a couple months but this little fellow really worked his way into our hearts, and the house seems so much quieter now. But I am so grateful to him for teaching us so much about this virus, and should another stray kitty come to us we will know a little more about what to do. I requested a post-mortem in case they can learn anything more about his condition and if there is useful information Ill post it. Were going to bury him in the back yard sometime this week. Our vet was wonderful and said that we should envision him in his healthy 7 pound body running around free of pain. Thanks to all of you who have helped us through this difficult time. Prayers for all the kitties still fighting this disease, and to all of the compassionate caregivers working so hard to help them.
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
This is such good news! You are a wonderful kitty mom, Dianne. elizabeth In a message dated 11/25/06 16:39:30 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Michelle. I thing the COP protocol is old but she has had good success with itso we will go with it for now. I have already joined the lymphoma group, thanks! She is doing great today! Eating, wandering around the house, on the computer desk now, been looking out the patio doors/they are closed, rubbing up against the doggies that are her friends, kissing me, meowing, purring She was NOT doing that stuff Tues and Wed not much of it Thurs eitherstarted today! I am encouraged. I know it is just the beginning and I am hopeful that we will have much more time together. Dianne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: Re: Dr. Ward's consult I'm sorry about the mass, but glad you are seeing someone who will treat it. The COP protocol is an old protocol, I think. I think many oncologists use the Wisconsin protocol now. I don't know what Oncovin is. The Wisconsin protocol starts with Elspar, I believe. I highly recommend you join the feline lymphoma group as well, which I think is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I learned a tremendous amount about lymphoma and its treatments from them when my Simon had it. Michelle In a message dated 11/25/2006 1:00:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dr. Ward did an ultra sound immediately, saw a big mass near the heart. This is what was done today: Echo: Mediastinal Mass FNA: lymphoblasts Cx: Mediastinal lymphoma Tx: Oncovin o.05 mg IV Depo Mectol (?) 1 cmg Cytoxan 25 mg PO She gave that today and we go back next Friday. She says it is very treatable and I should see a different cat in 48 hrs. She said she likes to start with low doses so cat doesn't get so sick she won't eat again, we will up it as needed. She did ECHO and an x-ray, I was in room and saw the mass on the ECHO and then she showed me the x-ray too...we can use it to compare ... She also gave me an article she wrote : MEDVET, Columbus, Ohio Onocology and Hematology Proceedings of the 20thWaltham/OSU Symposium She prefers the COP Protocol. I will keep you posted about Ms. Asia's progress. Dianne and Asia
Re: Two copies of every email?
LOL I haven't received your reply yet - but I can see right now that great minds think alike :0) elizabeth In a message dated 11/25/06 12:24:27 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this is really scary, elizabeth--you sent this an hour before i sent my tongue-in-cheek response, but i didn't get it til hours AFTER i'd sent mine! On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am - started last night. I am - started last night. elizabeth elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 20:41:05 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: my 5th loss (to FIP?) - Rikki is at peace now
Hideyo, My condolences to you. You've suffered too many losses recently. I hope everyone stays well for a while now. t Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just wanted to ask you to take a moment to send a prayer for my most gentle kitty, Rikki who crossed the bridge to heaven tonight he had the most peaceful crossing though I was in the same are as he was resting (on the couch), I regret that I was not right besides him and was not holding him as I ma sure he would have liked I was so exhausted and laying on the floor and felt sleep and woke up and he had passed already I feel badly that I was not holding him.. Though he was so weak towards the end, every time, I could go and call his name, he would meow for me like he has done for the past several years I have had I couldnt wish for a much more perfect than rikki I dont know for sure if he had FIP for sure,, as it impacted a different part of the organ in his case (kidney) though I know it was not CRF, as his kidneys were just fine two weeks ago. I was talking to someone today in rescue business and there seems to be more FIP cases in our area for some reason so Susan, in a sense you were right, there is something going on that no one knows about there is more incidents for FIP in the area at least than every in the past.. and dont know why..Right now I am in despair and tired.. I have 4 other kitties who are showing a partial of symptoms in other kitties who have passed away, and very paranoid. and I put all of them on FOI interferon hoping that I am catching everyone early enough that can reverse anything going one.. I am praying that I have seen the last of FIP tragedy at my household.. I also found out that one of my dogs JoJo who is 8 years old mix of chow and shepherd may or may not have cancer his one of eyes is bleeding a bit and has a big tumor in his gum.. and has blood in his urine. The vet was not crazy how his eye and tumor looked.. we did an impression on him and see if we can find more please send a prayer to JoJo and send a healing energy that he is going to get better Also, I have not seen my feral calico kitty Angelina for 4 nights I talked to my ACand she is either suffering something very acute or may not with us anymore I knew she was not ill I mentioned to her about my neighbour poisoning cats and she thought, she may be one of the victims I cant tell you how angry and devasting I am she is a such a beautiful kitty, and was getting so used to me and meoed so loud and happy to see me I have so much sadness, despair and angers these days. I am having a hard time to believe in faith.. may all my babies rest in peace.. and come back and have a joyful, happy and healthy life . Hideyo
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Two copies of every email?/late
mine too. Diane - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 1:31 PM Subject: Re: Two copies of every email? At 06:09 AM 11/25/2006, you wrote: Mine are arriving 8 hour late, If I get them at all, Kelly L this is really scary, elizabeth--you sent this an hour before i sent my tongue-in-cheek response, but i didn't get it til hours AFTER i'd sent mine! On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am - started last night. I am - started last night. elizabeth elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 20:41:05 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006
Re: You are my support group-please add Schumacher to the CLS
I'm so sorry for your loss, Brenda. tonya Tim Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I only post to this group when I have a tragedy, but I read almost all the posts online daily. I feel like you all are my support group although I don't have any FeLV+ cats any more. I lost my last one in June. Anyway, our FIV+ Schumacher as gone to Rainbow Bridge today. About 6 weeks ago he went to the vet because he was a little depressed and wasn't eating well. The bloodwork showed kidney problems (elevated BUN creatinine) and below normal PCV. He spent 5 days in the hospital and the vet pulled him through. He's been on prednisolone, cyproheptadine, Pepsid AC, Procrit sub-Q fluids. Over the weekend, he just took a nose dive and wouldn't eat or drink anything. He was drooling and gagging at the sight of any food. I took him back to the vet this morning and she didn't think anythig else could be done. His anemia appeared to be gone, but he was just very depressed and vocalizing (normally quiet) alot when I tried to hold him. He had clearly had enough of the needles pills. The vet recommend PTS and I decided it was the best thing. He was a very loving orange tabby with a little cattitude on the side and was my husband's favorite. This is never easy and it's already been a rough year. We've lost 2 others since June. Please add our Schumacher to the CLS as a non-positive. Thanks for always being there to listen when I need you all. Brenda
Re: Two copies of every email?
Right now I'm not getting any copies of any email. Sent one out this morning asking about the prevalence of FELV in the feral vs domestic cat population and haven't seen it yet. On 11/25/06, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 06:09 AM 11/25/2006, you wrote: Mine are arriving 8 hour late, If I get them at all, Kelly L this is really scary, elizabeth--you sent this an hour before i sent my tongue-in-cheek response, but i didn't get it til hours AFTER i'd sent mine! On 11/24/06, ETrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am - started last night. I am - started last night. elizabeth elizabeth In a message dated 11/24/06 20:41:05 Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone else getting two copies of every email sent to the list tonight? Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
I've dreamed about that too. With a great big drain in the middle of the floor so I could just hose the joint down! Nina Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: If I ever build my own home (like yeah, never), I would put in stained concrete floors. Stained concrete looks REALLY nice, almost marble if it's done right (at a fraction of the cost). Phaewryn
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
On 11/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's great!! I hope it continues for a long time, too. If at some point she stops responding, there are a few chemo drugs to ask about-- CCNU being one, Elspar being another if she is not using it now. But hopefully that will not be the case for a long time. Your old vet should be ashamed of himself. Unfortunately, vets like him are more the norm than the exception-- it is how they respond. I am hopeful about this changing, slowly, because I met an intern who told me that at least some vet schools are now teaching that FeLV is not a death sentence and cats can live a long time with it, and that cats with it should be treated for the problems that arise. Michelle I think we are pretty lucky around here. Even the staff at the low cost spay/neuter clinic will tell you FELV is not a death sentence and they definitely don't advise euthanasia of cats that test positive. -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Prevalence of FELV?
Alley Cat Allies says there is no difference and they advocate not testing ferals in TNR situations unless the cat is ill. They also don't euthanise unless the cat is ill, if they are somehow accidentally tested and tests +. Now around here they will tell you that is irresponsible and you will be shunned if you advocate that course. On 11/25/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It depends greatly on the area the studies were done in, so you will se a lot of variances in the numbers depending on the source. I would suspect it's no more common in ferals (true, wild, unsocialized cats) than in free-roaming domestics (strays, owned cats allowed to go outside, escaped housecats). Phaewryn VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
At 04:06 PM 11/25/2006, you wrote: My reason for testing is for treating. I tend to do prophylactic treatment and so It is good to know. I mix my FIV cat but not my FELV. I am now using Alferon for my FIV cat and it has been amazing to me, and I will start my FELV cat on it once I complete the Feline Omega Interferon protocol, His is healthy, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/551 - Release Date: 11/25/2006
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
I agree he should be ashamed of himselfI would like to see his face and know his mind when he reads the oncologist's report she is sending him! It will show him all he did not doand should have, he never checked to see what the fluid around the heart was for example... but it is ok now, I won't be going back to him with her...and if I do it will be convenience. He is less than a mile from my house and I can usually get in immediately and get a discount as I do rescue work. So there are some benefits there but I know he is not the best vet around. Actually there are not many in this area I am happy dealing with. Last year was a horrible year for me and my babies. I lost 3 Shih Tzu's and a cat from April to October, it is a horror story and a long one. Each pet had a different illness and 2 were prolonged and 2 were sudden. (all part of why I was so devastated when I got the first diagnosis...just went numb) All for now and good nightand good night...smile Dianne and Asia - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Dr. Ward's consult That's great!! I hope it continues for a long time, too. If at some point she stops responding, there are a few chemo drugs to ask about-- CCNU being one, Elspar being another if she is not using it now. But hopefully that will not be the case for a long time. Your old vet should be ashamed of himself. Unfortunately, vets like him are more the norm than the exception-- it is how they respond. I am hopeful about this changing, slowly, because I met an intern who told me that at least some vet schools are now teaching that FeLV is not a death sentence and cats can live a long time with it, and that cats with it should be treated for the problems that arise. Michelle
Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues
Here I have learned that the policy with rescue cat groups is that they test 1 in the litter of feral cats.my Asia did not get tested but her brother did.he tested negative but her paperwork states she was tested a year agoand was negative. When I called that vet yesterday I was told no we do not have a record of her being tested, we only test one in a litter and it was her brother that got tested, Pierre. I think the all should be tested. Dianne - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Felv+/FIV+ policy for rescues I would not test. I just haven't been on list lately. I wish testing had never started. Vaccinate and adopt is what I would do. FIV and Felv should be treated as any other illness a cat might come down with. t Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, this is a lot of information to process. Thanks everyone! I know there are a lot of people who advocate NOT testing and was surprised to find no one spoke up on that angle. One of my favorite animal people, Nathan Winograd, does not test for FIV and only tests for FELV because the board insists. I know most of the well known feral cat groups do not test cats who appear healthy, but that's a different can of worms. I will say that all cats that come into rescue are initially tested, because that is what the shelters around here do. I have set up that I will require owner surrenders provide proof of negative combo test. I'm not sure about the statements about eventually having lots of FELV+ cats to deal with. In this area I know people who have been doing rescue for years and not come across a single case or maybe one or 2. What I don't want is for a foster to end up in the position I did, when I had a kitten test light + and no one, from the director on down, could tell me what to do, what was going to happen to the cats, etc. Fortunately she and the rest of that litter later tested negative. On 11/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, If you were establishing a rescue, what kind of felv/fiv testing policy would you use? If the cats were positive for either or both, what would you do? Thanks for your input. Kelley -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: OT Help, I am so embarrassed
don't forget the radiant heat built into the concrete flooring--and heck with stained concrete, i'm just gonna stencil different rooms onto it! On 11/25/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've dreamed about that too. With a great big drain in the middle of the floor so I could just hose the joint down! Nina Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: If I ever build my own home (like yeah, never), I would put in stained concrete floors. Stained concrete looks REALLY nice, almost marble if it's done right (at a fraction of the cost). Phaewryn -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Dr. Ward's consult
I met an intern who told me that at least some vet schools are now teaching that FeLV is not a death sentence and cats can live a long time with it, and that cats with it should be treated for the problems that arise. Michelle great thought, but i wouldn't hold my breath--my vet, who is quite awhile out of vet school, told me that he was taught never to take a single test as definitive, to always retest, and even then not to euthanize an asymptomatic cat. the info is out there, but for whatever reasons, some just choose not to hear it. MC, in one of her more jaded moments. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
