urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
Hi Everyone, Urgent help, looking for home for FIP cat. Hami is a 5 month old female spayed kitten, black and white. Her sister was put to sleep due to FIP, and now since Hami was exposed and possibly showing signs of FIP they are going to put her to sleep tommorow. They are just pending biopsy, and trying to give her a little time to find a home. Need help, she is a sweet girl that deserves a home. In the new york area, Long island, willing to travel. Any help or suggestions appreciated! Thank you Jeni _ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
*Jeni, are you sure you mean FIP??? FIP cannot be diagnosed except through necropsy. Just because a kitten was exposed to the Corona Virus does not mean the kitten has FIP... * *Leslie =^..^=* On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Everyone, Urgent help, looking for home for FIP cat. Hami is a 5 month old female spayed kitten, black and white. Her sister was put to sleep due to FIP, and now since Hami was exposed and possibly showing signs of FIP they are going to put her to sleep tommorow. They are just pending biopsy, and trying to give her a little time to find a home. Need help, she is a sweet girl that deserves a home. In the new york area, Long island, willing to travel. Any help or suggestions appreciated! Thank you Jeni _ Get free, personalized commercial-free online radio with MSN Radio powered by Pandora http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001 -- Leslie =^..^= To leave the world a better place - whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or an improved social condition - that is to have succeeded. That only one life breathed easier because you lived - that is success. ---Ralph Waldo Emerson
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time.
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
is there someone on the list who can crosspost this onto the FIP list, please? that's about the best chance right now, because trying to educate people at the last minute isn't gonna do a whole lot of good. On 12/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
I just forwarded it TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there someone on the list who can crosspost this onto the FIP list, please? that's about the best chance right now, because trying to educate people at the last minute isn't gonna do a whole lot of good. On 12/12/06, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/06, JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other cat was diagnosed with FIP Hami's litermate that was put to sleep, so since Hami was with her and exposed we can not keep her in our shelter...rules/policies and so forth. This doesn't make any sense. FIP is a mutation of a coronavirus to which almost all cats are exposed. It isn't directly contagious. I would love to get her into a home so she will not be put to sleep, she is pending a biopsy and it should come back tommorow and then they most likely will have to put her to sleep. Is she symptomatic? My understanding is that FIP is fatal 100% of the time. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
No, but educating at the last minute CAN save the NEXT ONE. This is a shelter we are talking about. One kitten's death is a small price to pay if the education we offer now, at the last minute, changes the shelter's policy for the future! I'm sure this shelter has killed hundreds (if not thousands) of Corona-positive cats already by this point, before this one caring member finally found this group and the education we offer. It's never too late to educate! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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only if they want to be educated. On 12/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but educating at the last minute CAN save the NEXT ONE. This is a shelter we are talking about. One kitten's death is a small price to pay if the education we offer now, at the last minute, changes the shelter's policy for the future! I'm sure this shelter has killed hundreds (if not thousands) of Corona-positive cats already by this point, before this one caring member finally found this group and the education we offer. It's never too late to educate! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
Well, I think we have to try to lead them to water. Then we will see if they want to drink. Honestly if they weren't willing to be educated I'd probably volunteer my time elsewhere. It would be too sad to see all those cats dying needlessly because of a crazy policy. But that's just me. On 12/12/06, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: only if they want to be educated. On 12/12/06, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but educating at the last minute CAN save the NEXT ONE. This is a shelter we are talking about. One kitten's death is a small price to pay if the education we offer now, at the last minute, changes the shelter's policy for the future! I'm sure this shelter has killed hundreds (if not thousands) of Corona-positive cats already by this point, before this one caring member finally found this group and the education we offer. It's never too late to educate! Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 -- Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20
Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home
A friend of mind just found out that one of her fosters may have dry FIP as well. If we could find one person that could take both kittens (he's approx. 6 months) they could have company and live out their lives together. I've had experience with the effusive FIP but know nothing about non-effusive FIP. Are the results on testing the same (Alb:Glob ratio, fever ... ) I've read a little and will go back to the Winn Foundation for more information but if anyone can enlighten me, it would be helpful. PAT JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to thank everyone for thier concerns and also for all the litature about FIP. She still needs a home and this is want I am trying to find for her. I can not change the ways of the shelter. I wished every shelter would keep FIP and also Feluks but most shelters do not have the room or the assistants of keeping these special cats and so this is why thier are wonderful groups of people that fight for these cats such as yourselves. Our shelter can not keep the cat and expose her to our other cats in risk of getting them sick. She as far as I know is a dry fip and hopefully can find a home where she can live out the rest of her life. I am very appreciative of this group because of the lengths to help others and wanted to thank everyone that is trying to help her. Again if you have any suggestions or help it is much appreciated. Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=taglinelocale=en-us - Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.
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that would be great Pat, because Hami did have a sister cheesie so I know she would enjoy some company...now it's just finding that special person to give them a home... Jeni From: Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:46:44 -0800 (PST) A friend of mind just found out that one of her fosters may have dry FIP as well. If we could find one person that could take both kittens (he's approx. 6 months) they could have company and live out their lives together. I've had experience with the effusive FIP but know nothing about non-effusive FIP. Are the results on testing the same (Alb:Glob ratio, fever ... ) I've read a little and will go back to the Winn Foundation for more information but if anyone can enlighten me, it would be helpful. PAT JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanted to thank everyone for thier concerns and also for all the litature about FIP. She still needs a home and this is want I am trying to find for her. I can not change the ways of the shelter. I wished every shelter would keep FIP and also Feluks but most shelters do not have the room or the assistants of keeping these special cats and so this is why thier are wonderful groups of people that fight for these cats such as yourselves. Our shelter can not keep the cat and expose her to our other cats in risk of getting them sick. She as far as I know is a dry fip and hopefully can find a home where she can live out the rest of her life. I am very appreciative of this group because of the lengths to help others and wanted to thank everyone that is trying to help her. Again if you have any suggestions or help it is much appreciated. Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=taglinelocale=en-us - Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. _ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601tcode=wlmtagline
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That's the tough part ... if I come up with anything, I will surely let you know, although I think you're under some time constraints. Let's just keep in touch ... PAT JENI RECA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that would be great Pat, because Hami did have a sister cheesie so I know she would enjoy some company...now it's just finding that special person to give them a home... Jeni From: Patricia Lamoretti Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:46:44 -0800 (PST) A friend of mind just found out that one of her fosters may have dry FIP as well. If we could find one person that could take both kittens (he's approx. 6 months) they could have company and live out their lives together. I've had experience with the effusive FIP but know nothing about non-effusive FIP. Are the results on testing the same (Alb:Glob ratio, fever ... ) I've read a little and will go back to the Winn Foundation for more information but if anyone can enlighten me, it would be helpful. PAT JENI RECA wrote: Hi, I wanted to thank everyone for thier concerns and also for all the litature about FIP. She still needs a home and this is want I am trying to find for her. I can not change the ways of the shelter. I wished every shelter would keep FIP and also Feluks but most shelters do not have the room or the assistants of keeping these special cats and so this is why thier are wonderful groups of people that fight for these cats such as yourselves. Our shelter can not keep the cat and expose her to our other cats in risk of getting them sick. She as far as I know is a dry fip and hopefully can find a home where she can live out the rest of her life. I am very appreciative of this group because of the lengths to help others and wanted to thank everyone that is trying to help her. Again if you have any suggestions or help it is much appreciated. Jeni [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Visit MSN Holiday Challenge for your chance to win up to $50,000 in Holiday cash from MSN today! http://www.msnholidaychallenge.com/index.aspx?ocid=taglinelocale=en-us - Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. _ MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style, age, and price. Try it! http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId=8000,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata=200601tcode=wlmtagline __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!!
A diagnosis of FIP means that they've diagnosed one of the Corona Viruses (not FIP), and then made a best-guess of FIP, so I'm not sure I'd trust a diagnosis of FIP. Gloria - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:34 PM Subject: Re: urgent help-fip cat going to be pts tommorow...help!!! FIP is 100% fatal, usually in a short time period. If she indeed is showing FIP symptoms, she wont make it long anyways, euthanasia IS a humane alternative. HOWEVER, if she is ONLY corona positive and NOT showing symptoms of FIP, then that's entirely different. Many shelters fail to understand WHAT Corona is, and that is NOT the same as FIP. Sounds like that may be the case here. I know you are just desperately trying to save this one cat, BUT, there is a MUCH BIGGER issue at stake here. I hope you may be willing to work on it once you understand (even if the understanding comes too late for this one kitten), so, in that hope, here goes: Education is the key. You need to call a meeting with the shelter's board of directors (if they are non-profit, they are required to have a board), and you need to come to that meeting fully prepared with facts, statistics, and studies that show the facts about Corona virus, and it's relation to FIP. You see, it's simply not the same thing. The fact that this kitten's brother succumbed to FIP does NOT mean that she will, EVEN if she is corona positive. While it's a sad fact that many shelters do euthanise any cats that test positive for Corona (in the mis-informed hope of stopping the spread of the virus), it's not a policy based on any good science. Infection with Coronavirus (Feline Enteric Corona Virus, or FECV) is actually very common in cats but most of the time it does not cause any problems, other than maybe mild diarrhea. Occasionally, the virus mutates within an infected cat, and it is this mutated form that causes the disease of FIP. Coronavirus is ubiquitous among cats and infection with the virus is particularly common where large numbers of cats are kept together. It is estimated that 25 to 40 per cent of household pet cats are infected. This infection rate increases to 80 to 100 per cent of cats kept in rescues!!! Although coronavirus is the cause of FIP, infection with coronavirus does not mean that the cat will go on to develop FIP. In comparison to the number of cats infected with the virus, the number that develop FIP is very small. It is only when the virus mutates that FIP may develop. While the word is still out as to exactly what causes the Corona virus to mutate into FIP in certain cats, studies indicate that it may be a genetic predisposition (suspected due to cats of a close relation often succumbing together), or a specific strain of Corona (suspected due to FIP cropping up in specific closed populations in unique geographic locations), or a combination of both of those variables. In addition, diagnosing FIP is highly tricky, and the fact that you are sending out a biopsy and implying that this kitten's fate rests on it's result further shows the lack of education on the part of the shelter taking that action. Because most cats will test positive for Corona and NEVER get FIP, it makes the diagnosis very complex, and that is further complicated by the fact that there are two specific forms of FIP, wet FIP and dry FIP. The best way to get a good SUSPICION of FIP diagnosis is be running several lab tests, and interpreting the result of them all, and the relation of those to each other. if they ALL lean towards a FIP diagnosis, THEN one can begin to assume FIP exists in the cat. REMEMBER, THERE IS NO TEST THAT CAN DIAGNOSE FIP ON A LIVING CAT, THE CAT MUST BE DEAD AND SUBMITTED FOR NECROPSY TO GET A TRUE FIP DIAGNOSIS. Here is the proper diagnostic testing recommendations for a LIVE cat: Non-effusive (“dry”) FIP profile: FCoV antibody titre: FCoV antibody titres in dry FIP are usually equal to or greater than 1280. An antibody titre of zero rules out non-effusive FIP. Note: many healthy cats and cats with diseases other than FIP have FCoV antibodies. The presence of FCoV antibodies alone is NOT diagnostic of FIP, if the other parameters of the profile do not indicate a diagnosis of FIPA healthy cat with a high FCoV antibody titre is NOT a cat with dry FIP. Albumin:Globulin ratio (A:G) In FIP the globulin concentration in serum or plasma is raised to over 40g/l. Consequently the A:G is usually lowered. An A:G of 0.4 indicates FIP is quite likely, provided that globulins are raised, remember than a low albumin (e.g. in liver disease) can also artificially lower the A:G. An A:G of 0.8 rules out FIP; A:G of between 0.4-0.8 - consider other parameters. AGP level AGP is an acute phase protein which is useful in distinguishing FIP from other clinically similar conditions. In FIP, AGP levels are usually
Re: Faint positive tests question
Hi Wendy, Thanks for your reply. I'm having other 8 cats vaccinated this week, and 5 tested first (the vet recommended this) (Five are my own cats; the 3 fosters, who are littermates of the positive cat, already tested negative 2 months ago). She told me the one who's positive most likely does have it, but it just hasn't shown up in his bone marrow yet. The only bright thing is that, once the others are vaccinated in the 2-step process, I can mix the positive cat with them. At least he can live out his life somewhat normally, and have the run of the house, instead of being a prisoner in 1 room by himself. Jasmine wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jasmine, Hi and welcome to our group. Glad you found it. Many kittens test positive for FeLV early on, only to test negative later on. The mother's antibodies still remaining in kitty's system is what causes this. About 40% of cats who actually contract FeLV throw off the virus. Chances are this is what happened with your kitten, thank goodness. Most of us here believe that the FeLV virus is very hard to pass, and therefore mix positives and negatives. I did for four years and none of the other kitties contracted the virus. Because your kitten is now negative, you can probably safely assume your others will be ok. If you are worried about it, get another test just to double check, and then you should be good to let him out! Keep us updated! :) Wendy Dallas, Tx Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index - Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates.
Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home
Dry FIP often has different symptoms, commonly neurological issues, and they usually survive longer than the wet FIP victims do. Dry FIP usually presents with vague clinical signs, Like anorexia, losing weight, depression, anemia, fever, and a dull coat (sometimes with a greasy look). Many cats with dry FIP become jaundiced, and get various eye problems, usually the iris (the colored part of the eye around the pupil) changes color, parts of it may appear brown. The cat may bleed into the eye, or white precipitates appear on the cornea. Wet FIP usually results in organ failure, due to the nature of the disease, the organs just seep serum like fluid (not sure of the actual terminology off the top of my head) out into the abdomen and chest cavities, often death from wet FIP is caused by respiratory failure, combined with anemia, and other conditions caused by organs failing to perform their functions. I, personally, feel that humane euthanasia IS a valid course of action for a cat that is highly suspected of being FIP positive IF (NOTE THE IF) the cat is showing symptoms and is ill. Obviously, any cat that has been diagnosed as FIP+ MUST have clinical symptoms, otherwise it's just a Corona infection, and NOT FIP. I think euthanasia should definitely happen BEFORE the cat goes into multi-organ failure, FIP is 100% fatal, prolonging the cat's life is not buying it much quality time in the end stages of FIP. I am NOT a hard-core picket sign toting vegan no kill activist (PETA comes to mind) though, I feel that suffering needlessly is cruelty, not a humane and peaceful death. Unless you are using the cat as a test subject to try to develop new treatments for FIP (sadly, often cats MUST suffer in the name of science), then I don't think the current treatment options buy enough quality time to justify allowing the cat to suffer needlessly in advanced stages (and with wet FIP, we're talking a matter of a few weeks commonly). Hopefully, in a couple of years, I will have changed my mind on this topic, because new treatments will be produced, and enough trials will have been run to show that treatment is a viable option for symptomatic FIP cases. It would be interesting to know if this kitten's brother had wet or dry FIP, if that information is available... Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home
No offense meant. I am blunt sometimes. I don't want you to have any regrets. I hope the links help. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
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I totally agree... On Dec 12, 2006, at 10:33 PM, Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: Did you read any of the literature I sent? Because it doesn't sound like you did. FIP is NOT CONTAGIOUS. Corona virus is contagious, but 80% to 100% of cats in shelters ALREADY HAVE CORONA. Perhaps you may want to read the literature. How do you know you can't change the shelter's policy, how many times have you tried in the past? I would think that once every 3 to 6 months wouldn't be too often (picketing out front sometimes helps, but these days that may get you imprisoned as a terrorist). Or, who knows, maybe saving this one cat is enough for you, and your life mission is complete, who I am to judge? I hope you find her a home, and you live the rest of your days in blissful peace and happiness (at least until the shelter starts testing all their cats and decides to kill them ALL since they likely ALL test corona positive). Like they say, maybe you can't save every life, but to the one you do save, it means everything! What really matters is that you feel good inside, and that you can honestly look back on this in the future and say I did the best I could and be at peace with that. That's all any of us can really do. (I just speak from experience, as I know I look back on my life and regret all the I could have done mores I left behind.) Have you posted her on the FIP cats and kittens for adoption section of the bemikitties adoption website yet? http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/ classifieds.cgi? request=display_subcategory_id=101website=defaultsession=457f7e836b 6f7748 You can also post her to these yahoogroups: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Special_Needs_Rescue_Cats/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/HANDICATS2/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/PurringPixieCatResource/ And to these websites: http://www.azfelines.org/index.php?page=03 http://www.petswithdisabilities.org/catadopt.html And, if you tell me your city and state, I will send you a list of all the no kill shelters in a 200 mile or so radius to you. Or, if you prefer to not give out that information, you can find a partial list on my webpage (scroll down a way) at: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html (if you or anyone else knows of any I don't have listed PLEASE send me their info) Remember, pictures speak louder than words, so if you can, get a picture of her (go for the most pathetic looking pose you can get) and post a link to her picture every time you post her somewhere. If you need someone to host the image so you can link to it, send it to me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I will upload it to my website and send you the URL. I hope this is more along the lines of the type of information and assistance you require. Good luck! Best Regards, Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Re: about exposed FIP cat that needs a home
That's OK... Munch and Jet and Lovey and Thurston slept right through it LOL Tad Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: No offense meant. I am blunt sometimes. I don't want you to have any regrets. I hope the links help. Phaewryn Please save Whitey! http://ucat.us/Whitey.html VT low cost SpayNeuter, and Emergency Financial Assistance for cat owners: http://ucat.us/VermontLowCost.html Special Needs Cat Resources: http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
