Re: Rainbow bridge for Joey
Kelley, Oh, my heart is breaking [again, sadly], for you and your loss of Joey I included Joey in my daily prayers And, I know only too well what AIHA can do..(Absolutely horrible, to say the least) And, I went through this disease w/ a 130+ lb. Rottie. Can't even imagine (don't want to either...) just how poor Joey was afflicted. Just always remember - YOU DID YOUR BEST GAVE JOEY ALL POSSIBILITIES. Joey was so very lucky to own you... And, try to imagine that Joey, having crossed The Bridge, is happy healthy. And, surrounded by [too] many fur babies we have all lost. I KNOW your heart is broken, but [try at least]to know that Joey is now at peace.And, healthy once again. I am so, so sorry. And, I never seem to know just what to say. Just know, I will include Joey you in my prayers -still Have to go, I'm crying my eyes out(And, with almost NO vision, well, need I say more?) You have my deepest condolences. Hugs, Patti her gang ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon
My thoughts and prayers are with you. Gina C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi. He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the window for awhile and purring as I petted him. He was even interested in eating some food. Today was not such a good day. He seemed ok first thing this morning, but when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up. He was then a little out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as he was trying to catch his breath. He also peed himself for the first time ever :( After that, he had no energy to move all day. He basically stayed in my bedroom the whole day, lying under the sink. I gave him some towels to lie on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up. My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call. I don't think he can handle a car ride at all now. Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life. I think he is waiting to die :( Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day. But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast. Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast. I'm still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last bit of food I gave him. He never throws up normally. I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better. I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't know how I could do that to him. To spend the last hours of his life doing to him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to handle. I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision. To me it feels like I would be personally ending his life. I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to anemia. I still can't believe all this has happened. Two months ago I was positive he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun. I would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years. Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been trying to nurse him back to health.He's always been so loving and tolerant of my hugs and kisses. Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone. Cassandra - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM Visit my Tigger Tales site! - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon
Cassandra, Love to you and to Tomi. My heart hurts with you. elizabeth On 4/28/07, C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi. He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the window for awhile and purring as I petted him. He was even interested in eating some food. Today was not such a good day. He seemed ok first thing this morning, but when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up. He was then a little out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as he was trying to catch his breath. He also peed himself for the first time ever :( After that, he had no energy to move all day. He basically stayed in my bedroom the whole day, lying under the sink. I gave him some towels to lie on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up. My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call. I don't think he can handle a car ride at all now. Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life. I think he is waiting to die :( Cassandra - Original Message - *From:* C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM *Subject:* I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day. But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast. Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast. I'm still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last bit of food I gave him. He never throws up normally. I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better. I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't know how I could do that to him. To spend the last hours of his life doing to him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to handle. I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision. To me it feels like I would be personally ending his life. I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to anemia. I still can't believe all this has happened. Two months ago I was positive he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun. I would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years. Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been trying to nurse him back to health.He's always been so loving and tolerant of my hugs and kisses. Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM
Tomi
Hi Cassandra, I am so sorry that Tomi is so ill. It does sound like his quality of life is declining quickly. It's a heartbreaking and confusing roller coaster to see our beloved furbabies enjoying life one day and the next, obviously in pain or stressed. If Tomi is going to pass, I hope that he does it quickly and peacefully. Bless you for taking such wonderful care of him. Take care, :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi. He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the window for awhile and purring as I petted him. He was even interested in eating some food. Today was not such a good day. He seemed ok first thing this morning, but when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up. He was then a little out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as he was trying to catch his breath. He also peed himself for the first time ever :( After that, he had no energy to move all day. He basically stayed in my bedroom the whole day, lying under the sink. I gave him some towels to lie on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up. My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call. I don't think he can handle a car ride at all now. Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life. I think he is waiting to die :( Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day. But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast. Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast. I'm still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last bit of food I gave him. He never throws up normally. I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better. I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't know how I could do that to him. To spend the last hours of his life doing to him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to handle. I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision. To me it feels like I would be personally ending his life. I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to anemia. I still can't believe all this has happened. Two months ago I was positive he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun. I would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years. Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been trying to nurse him back to health.He's always been so loving and tolerant of my hugs and kisses. Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
From Michelle: Fwd: Re: mediastinal LSA --anyone have succes with treatment??
Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- None of mine have had mediastinal, but others on the list have. Mediastinal usually responds well to chemo at least for a while. It works just as well on positive cats at first. The difference is that positive cats tend to have shorter remissions than negatives. But I would definitely do it. Some people on the list have had it give their cats 3-6 months of good time. In a message dated 4/26/2007 10:14:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey Michelle, I hope all is well with you. Things are good here. I'm forwarding this email to you in case you have any advice I can post to this lady. Thanks, :) Wendy Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 66.163.179.86; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:39:49 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [64.22.89.242] Authentication-Results: mta212.mail.mud.yahoo.com from=felineleukemia.org; domainkeys=neutral (no sig) Received: from 64.22.89.242 (EHLO rho.genwebserver.com) (64.22.89.242) by mta212.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 11:39:42 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=rho.genwebserver.com) by rho.genwebserver.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hh8sL-00058c-Sj; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:39:29 -0400 Received: from [209.86.89.66] (helo=elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by rho.genwebserver.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hh8sJ-3n-4x for felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:39:27 -0400 Received: from [4.249.219.3] (helo=earthlink.net) by elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Hh8sA-0008Bu-6U for felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:39:19 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: EarthLink MailBox 2005.3.14.0 (Windows) From: Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: mediastinal LSA --anyone have succes with treatment?? Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:39:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_10665132632032183917742 X-ELNK-Trace: ca8168b935ca8951d780f4a490ca69563f9fea00a6dd62bc865673ddee8ec0cf3cfe3aaef9d619a7350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.249.219.3 X-BeenThere: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - rho.genwebserver.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - yahoo.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - felineleukemia.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Content-Length: 1359 One of my FeLV+ cats most likely has mediastinal LSA. I had positive kittens diagnosed with this and not live very long but that was a few years ago despite some conservative treatment (mainly aspiration/comfort measures). I am currently treating a NEGATIVE cat for intestinal cancer and he has done very well. I have also read that the mediastinal LSA often responds positively to chemobut most of those studies are on NEGATIVE cats. I'm sure that (sadly) at least someone else here has had a cat with this condition. The cat was otherwise health and w/o symptoms up until last Thursday. It initially appeared as URI like w/coughing/congestion sounds. But after no improvement with meds over the weekend, he was checked again, nothing in lungs but mystery spot on X-rays. We have consult with cancer vet and ultra sound tomorrow. Any input welcome. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ---End Message---
Fwd: [feline-hyperT] OT:2 Recalls-Harmony Farms Mulligan Stew/Canine Caviar
Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---BeginMessage--- All Harmony Farms canned dog foods All Harmony Farms canned cat foods All Harmony Farms Health Bar biscuits Mulligan Stew Chicken 13.2oz Mulligan Stew Turkey 13.2oz Canine Caviar Gourmet Beaver 13.2oz Canine Caviar Gourmet Turkey 13.2oz NOTE: As of 10:50 am, American Nutrition and Breeder's Choice has both confirmed that Breeder's Choice products are not affected by the recall. http://www.itchmo.com/ Candace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---End Message---
Re: Update Junior
Hey Sally, It's nice to have some good news. I hope Junior continues to impove. tonya Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you every one for your help. I am not sure if Junior would still be here without your support. It is heart breaking to read about the losses in the group. The rewards however are many. Junior is a gift and I treasure him. Sally and Junior On 4/27/07, Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What absolutely WONDERFUL news on Junior!! Thank you for sharing!! We all need the pick me up of happy things!! How awesome for Eric and Junior to help each other... animals are amazing therapy. Leslie =^..^=
Re: [feline-hyperT] OT:2 Recalls-Harmony Farms Mulligan Stew/Canine Cavia
This is outrageous. On 4/29/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Forwarded message -- From: moonpye [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 14:27:01 -0400 Subject: [feline-hyperT] OT:2 Recalls-Harmony Farms Mulligan Stew/Canine Caviar All Harmony Farms canned dog foods All Harmony Farms canned cat foods All Harmony Farms Health Bar biscuits Mulligan Stew Chicken 13.2oz Mulligan Stew Turkey 13.2oz Canine Caviar Gourmet Beaver 13.2oz Canine Caviar Gourmet Turkey 13.2oz NOTE: As of 10:50 am, American Nutrition and Breeder's Choice has both confirmed that Breeder's Choice products are not affected by the recall. http://www.itchmo.com/ Candace [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __._,_.___ Messages in this topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/message/53359;_ylc=X3oDMTM1ZDhxYjNvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEbXNnSWQDNTMzNTkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTc3Njk5NDIxBHRwY0lkAzUzMzU5 (1) Reply (via web post) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwMnJmbm9zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEbXNnSWQDNTMzNTkEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMTc3Njk5NDIx?act=replymessageNum=53359| Start a new topic http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbzlqdGtoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMTc3Njk5NDIx Messageshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/messages;_ylc=X3oDMTJkMjYyZWpuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbXNncwRzdGltZQMxMTc3Njk5NDIx| Fileshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/files;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZG1oajc3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZmlsZXMEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMQ--| Photoshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/photos;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNGh0djlsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcGhvdARzdGltZQMxMTc3Njk5NDIx| Linkshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/links;_ylc=X3oDMTJldmxpMjlmBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbGlua3MEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMQ--| Databasehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/database;_ylc=X3oDMTJicG9xZXAwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZGIEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMQ--| Calendarhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/calendar;_ylc=X3oDMTJjczU3cXVjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDY2FsBHN0aW1lAzExNzc2OTk0MjE- The opinions expressed are the author's own and should not be taken as a substitute for professional veterinary advice. [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJjanVkcjFvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzExNzc2OTk0MjE- Change settings via the Webhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/join;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcWZnY3U2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDc3RuZ3MEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMQ--(Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Digest| Switch format to Traditional[EMAIL PROTECTED]:+Traditional Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT;_ylc=X3oDMTJjdnE3MDNhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDaHBmBHN0aW1lAzExNzc2OTk0MjE-| Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/| Unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Recent Activity - 14 New Membershttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlMTY4Mm5xBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMQ-- Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZTZvMTRsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMDg2OARncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNDI0MzUEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxMTc3Njk5NDIx SPONSORED LINKS - Cat 5http://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJiYjB2YjlwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzEEZ3JwSWQDMjAwODY4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjQzNQRzZWMDc2xtb2QEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMg--?t=msk=Cat+5w1=Cat+5w2=Cat+insurancew3=Cat+urine+odorw4=Cat+flea+controlw5=Cat+doorc=5s=86g=2.sig=F-20X0a7cX6daYoqLi3nlQ - Cat insurancehttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads;_ylc=X3oDMTJianBnOWdyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BF9wAzIEZ3JwSWQDMjAwODY4BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjQzNQRzZWMDc2xtb2QEc3RpbWUDMTE3NzY5OTQyMg--?t=msk=Cat+insurancew1=Cat+5w2=Cat+insurancew3=Cat+urine+odorw4=Cat+flea+controlw5=Cat+doorc=5s=86g=2.sig=MbwDveDZ_JlkcVS6Zq3ZNg - Cat urine
Fwd: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on for years
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OT: What really is in Dog Food could make you sick
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Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on for years
i don't want to minimize this, of course, but my first thought when they were blaming melamine was that if melamine was the problem, we'd probably all be dead anyway those of us from the 50s whose parents never fed us on anything BUT melamine once it became popular. i see in my mind, all the scratches from the steak knives. all the awful patterns worn off and then, the microwave era.. if the scratches on the plates weren't giving us our recommended daily requirement of melamine, once we started fuming them and eating the melange of food and plastic, well... in my not-even-remotely-humble-opinion, we've all been fooling ourselves for years. some of us knowingly--realizing, to some level, how bad it was, and just accepting there probably wasn't much we could do about it because we were not in a position to be heard--most without any awareness. how many of you remember when we first learned that there rodent feces are allowed in our food, as long as it's in the proper percentage? same with insect bodies this is NOT new. it's just taken a population that we seem to care about more than we care about other people for us to stand up and say, enough. : drags her soapbox over to the calici virus arena MC On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/* http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com http://www.aol.com?ncid=AOLAOF0002000503. -- Forwarded message -- From: Itchmo Pet Safety Alerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:18:40 -0400 Subject: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on for years Full details: http://www.itchmo.com/read/melamine-spiking-in-food-widespread-for-years_20070429 We will just let the story speak for itself. No more denials, no more hemming and hawing by the FDA. Time to take massive cautionary action is now. It's not just animal feed anymore. It's not just pet food. It's a crisis. It's been going on for years. Highlights below from the IHT article: Here at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group factory, huge boiler vats are turning coal into melamine, which is used to create plastics and fertilizer. But the leftover melamine scrap, small acorn-sized chunks of white rock, is then being sold to local entrepreneurs, who say they secretly mix a powdered form of the scrap into animal feed to artificially enhance the protein level. It just saves money, says a manager at an animal feed factory here. Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level. The practice is widespread in China. For years animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here. More at www.itchmo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe: www.itchmo.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon
Cassandra, You and Tomi are in my thoughts and prayers. tonya Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh Cassandra, I am so sorry. Kelley On 4/29/07, elizabeth trent wrote: Cassandra, Love to you and to Tomi. My heart hurts with you. elizabeth On 4/28/07, C J wrote: Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi. He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the window for awhile and purring as I petted him. He was even interested in eating some food. Today was not such a good day. He seemed ok first thing this morning, but when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up. He was then a little out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as he was trying to catch his breath. He also peed himself for the first time ever :( After that, he had no energy to move all day. He basically stayed in my bedroom the whole day, lying under the sink. I gave him some towels to lie on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up. My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call. I don't think he can handle a car ride at all now. Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life. I think he is waiting to die :( Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day. But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast. Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast. I'm still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last bit of food I gave him. He never throws up normally. I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better. I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't know how I could do that to him. To spend the last hours of his life doing to him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to handle. I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision. To me it feels like I would be personally ending his life. I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to anemia. I still can't believe all this has happened. Two months ago I was positive he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun. I would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years. Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been trying to nurse him back to health. He's always been so loving and tolerant of my hugs and kisses. Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Joey! http://www.firstgiving.com/Joey1
Re: OT - the new Calici scare - it's a scam! See my research...
I actually know the person who posted that article to the Best Friends Network. She's a friend of mine; however, her vet is Dr. Norsworthy and she trusts him completely, much like I do my vet. If my vet told me my cat needed a vaccine for this condition, I would believe him. In fact, when she told me she was getting her cats vaccinated against this mutated calici virus I went to *my* vet and asked him about it. Dr. Norswothy published an article in the January issue of Cat Fancy, which I do not subscribe to but he does, so I went so far as to dig through his issues and drag it out and show it to him. I would say the Cat Fancy article is more the source of the rumors than the BF article is, as it came out in January and the BF article came out just a couple of days ago. That is just my opinion though. He told me that Fort Dodge makes vaccines of questionable quality, and that he did not recommend giving the vaccine. He only uses Meiral vaccines. Also does not recommend the FIP vaccine which is also manufactured by Ft Dodge. He says he has never seen a case of this and that the (admittedly gruesome) pictures that accompanied the Cat Fancy article could be several other things. So I never paid any attention to this calici thing after that. I'm not going to argue with my friend about what her trusted vet says, though. It wouldn't serve any purpose and is not a battle I would win. On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CROSS-POST THIS REPLY WIDELY! I've concluded this is a scam by Fort Dodge (via a vet working under their thumb through a big-time advertising company that has questionable ethical practices). I have submitted it to snopes.com so they can research it further, as they have better researchers than myself on their staff. I can find no studies or evidence online to back up these statements of a wide-spread new Calici outbreak requiring immediate vaccination with the new vaccine. All the many outbreaks I've seen posted are the word of mouth statements by one Dr. Norsworthy - a vet with current articles online that state blatantly FALSE facts with regards to current vaccination options and protocols. The only reference to calici outbreaks that matches the descriptions are on these webpages, which are several YEARS past now (the one outbreak I've seen documented by trusted sources happened in a very confined area in CA in 2002): http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_vs_fcv.shtml http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/journals.php http://www.goodnewsforpets.com/Articles.asp?ID=695 http://www.dvmvac.org/swiftaction.asp http://www.patentdebate.com/PATAPP/20040259225 (vaccine seems to have been at least partly patented in 2004 by UC Davis researchers) I did find the name of the vet who is traveling the country giving presentations about this new strain of calici, Dr. Norsworthy: http://network.bestfriends.org/texas/news/14454.html (this article may be the main source of all of the rumors, actually, as many people trust Best Friends as a good source of information. What people need to be aware of is that ANY news source can be influenced by the drug company campaigns. I believe this is an unfortunate case of just that having happened.) Not very surprisingly to me, when I found a link explaining Dr. Norsworthy's work and presentations, the page for more info is no longer there: http://www.goodnewsforpets.com/Articles.asp?ID=699 http://www.dvmvac.org/drnorsworthy.htm Doing more digging, I did find this on the same website, and if you just READ the answers this vet gives to the questions you can quickly conclude that one of two things are going on here: 1. This vet is a total moron that doesn't know about the most basic aspects of veterinary care, like INTRA_NASAL vaccines. 2. This is SO outdated, it was pre-Intra-nasal vaccine days, and thus makes it so medically outdated as to be completely useless in modern medicine circles, thus completely removing any credibility to this rumor: http://www.dvmvac.org/norsworthy_calicivirus.asp Also of note, this entire website is a VERY PRO_VACCINE website, even going so far as to deny the proven facts about VAS and denouncing the new APPROVED feline vaccination guidelines of every 3 years for many vaccines! This one particular vet seems to be in the pocket of the pro-vaccination people, namely, the vaccine manufacturers. In fact the website dvmvac.org, is run by a company that blatantly, on their main website proudly professes their specialty, making people believe what they need to believe to get the client's message across: Germinder Associates, Inc. Reaching influentials and decision-makers, building categories and achieving outstanding results are our hallmarks. Although the Internet has vastly changed communications today, Germinder Associates knows from our twenty-six years of agency experience that providing the right mix of tactics and targeted information is still essential to success. Our award-winning firm brings
Re: Rainbow bridge for Joey
Oh, I'm so sorry! Phaewryn - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:55 AM Subject: Rainbow bridge for Joey He's gone. I took him to the ER and he went into cardiac arrest. We tried CPR for a short time but the vet did not think he would live long even if we could get him back, so I decided to stop flogging him. I have some leukeran and some prednilosone left, if anyone nees. i will be happy to mail it to you.
Re: Urgent - Missing Mattie - need prayers and meditations please!
Screened windows. STUPID! Gees, makes me realize I need to put that on my adoption application... Do you plan to open your windows this summer? Do you have screens? Do you believe screens will contain a cat? Would you be willing to staple chicken wire over your windows or agree to NOT open them more than a 1 inch crack? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Urgent - Missing Mattie - need prayers and meditations please! One of the rescued kitties, Mattie who is about one year old, a beautiful long hair calico girl, Mattie is missing from her new adopted home since last night on the first day - she is partly feral and we desaprately trying to find her again - she is very new to the area as she got out of the house from the screen window on the first day - I put the flyers out everywhere - she is microchiped, but since she is sort of feral, so more likely non one will see her during day time or catch her - please pray that we will find her soon and bring her back safely - here's the meditation which has worked for so many missing kitties in the past - please meditate for Mattie as she is such a sweet angel and she is so scared right now as she has no idea where she is and where to find a food - than kyou for all your prayers and meditations in advance! You imagine a golden coil coming from your heart center Searching and probing for missing Mattie! Latch onto her like a magnet and guiding safely home to Dawne! All the prayers are so appreciated. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 4/28/2007 3:32 PM
Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on foryears
Well, that explains the rise in CRF over the years. Has anyone fwd'd this to the CRF groups? It would explain a lot of the high incidences of CRF in the past decade or so. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 3:57 PM Subject: Fwd: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on foryears Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ -- See what's free at AOL.com. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 4/28/2007 3:32 PM
Re: OT Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on foryears
I have a friend here that will NOT eat anything that has been microwaved, NOR will she eat anything that has been stored in or cooked or served on anything other than glass. She says the chemicals in the plastics are killing us all. There's another reason for not microwaving things, something about changing the molecular structure of the food itself. I CC'ed this to the OT group, so we can pick up this discuss over there rather than responding here. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Original Message - From: TenHouseCats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on foryears i don't want to minimize this, of course, but my first thought when they were blaming melamine was that if melamine was the problem, we'd probably all be dead anyway those of us from the 50s whose parents never fed us on anything BUT melamine once it became popular. i see in my mind, all the scratches from the steak knives. all the awful patterns worn off and then, the microwave era.. if the scratches on the plates weren't giving us our recommended daily requirement of melamine, once we started fuming them and eating the melange of food and plastic, well... in my not-even-remotely-humble-opinion, we've all been fooling ourselves for years. some of us knowingly--realizing, to some level, how bad it was, and just accepting there probably wasn't much we could do about it because we were not in a position to be heard--most without any awareness. how many of you remember when we first learned that there rodent feces are allowed in our food, as long as it's in the proper percentage? same with insect bodies this is NOT new. it's just taken a population that we seem to care about more than we care about other people for us to stand up and say, enough. : drags her soapbox over to the calici virus arena MC On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Itchmo Pet Safety Alerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:18:40 -0400 Subject: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on for years Full details: http://www.itchmo.com/read/melamine-spiking-in-food-widespread-for-years_20070429 We will just let the story speak for itself. No more denials, no more hemming and hawing by the FDA. Time to take massive cautionary action is now. It's not just animal feed anymore. It's not just pet food. It's a crisis. It's been going on for years. Highlights below from the IHT article: Here at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group factory, huge boiler vats are turning coal into melamine, which is used to create plastics and fertilizer. But the leftover melamine scrap, small acorn-sized chunks of white rock, is then being sold to local entrepreneurs, who say they secretly mix a powdered form of the scrap into animal feed to artificially enhance the protein level. It just saves money, says a manager at an animal feed factory here. Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level. The practice is widespread in China. For years animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here. More at www.itchmo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe: www.itchmo.com
Re: OT - the new Calici scare - it's a scam! See my research...
i'm willing to bet that what appeared in Cat Fancy is this: http://www.dvmnewsmagazine.com/dvm/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=408460 which is a PRESS RELEASE. it is not news. it should not be read as news. * JUST ANNOUNCED TODAY MaryChristine has found the cure for FeLV!!! Please contact your banker, and make arrangements to direct-deposit your next ten-year's worth of salary to her account! CROSSPOST EVERYWHERE! ** think i'll send it to cat fancy, see if it works. On 4/29/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I actually know the person who posted that article to the Best Friends Network. She's a friend of mine; however, her vet is Dr. Norsworthy and she trusts him completely, much like I do my vet. If my vet told me my cat needed a vaccine for this condition, I would believe him. In fact, when she told me she was getting her cats vaccinated against this mutated calici virus I went to *my* vet and asked him about it. Dr. Norswothy published an article in the January issue of Cat Fancy, which I do not subscribe to but he does, so I went so far as to dig through his issues and drag it out and show it to him. I would say the Cat Fancy article is more the source of the rumors than the BF article is, as it came out in January and the BF article came out just a couple of days ago. That is just my opinion though. He told me that Fort Dodge makes vaccines of questionable quality, and that he did not recommend giving the vaccine. He only uses Meiral vaccines. Also does not recommend the FIP vaccine which is also manufactured by Ft Dodge. He says he has never seen a case of this and that the (admittedly gruesome) pictures that accompanied the Cat Fancy article could be several other things. So I never paid any attention to this calici thing after that. I'm not going to argue with my friend about what her trusted vet says, though. It wouldn't serve any purpose and is not a battle I would win. On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CROSS-POST THIS REPLY WIDELY! I've concluded this is a scam by Fort Dodge (via a vet working under their thumb through a big-time advertising company that has questionable ethical practices). I have submitted it to snopes.com so they can research it further, as they have better researchers than myself on their staff. I can find no studies or evidence online to back up these statements of a wide-spread new Calici outbreak requiring immediate vaccination with the new vaccine. All the many outbreaks I've seen posted are the word of mouth statements by one Dr. Norsworthy - a vet with current articles online that state blatantly FALSE facts with regards to current vaccination options and protocols. The only reference to calici outbreaks that matches the descriptions are on these webpages, which are several YEARS past now (the one outbreak I've seen documented by trusted sources happened in a very confined area in CA in 2002): http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_vs_fcv.shtml http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/journals.php http://www.goodnewsforpets.com/Articles.asp?ID=695 http://www.dvmvac.org/swiftaction.asp http://www.patentdebate.com/PATAPP/20040259225 (vaccine seems to have been at least partly patented in 2004 by UC Davis researchers) I did find the name of the vet who is traveling the country giving presentations about this new strain of calici, Dr. Norsworthy: http://network.bestfriends.org/texas/news/14454.html (this article may be the main source of all of the rumors, actually, as many people trust Best Friends as a good source of information. What people need to be aware of is that ANY news source can be influenced by the drug company campaigns. I believe this is an unfortunate case of just that having happened.) Not very surprisingly to me, when I found a link explaining Dr. Norsworthy's work and presentations, the page for more info is no longer there: http://www.goodnewsforpets.com/Articles.asp?ID=699 http://www.dvmvac.org/drnorsworthy.htm Doing more digging, I did find this on the same website, and if you just READ the answers this vet gives to the questions you can quickly conclude that one of two things are going on here: 1. This vet is a total moron that doesn't know about the most basic aspects of veterinary care, like INTRA_NASAL vaccines. 2. This is SO outdated, it was pre-Intra-nasal vaccine days, and thus makes it so medically outdated as to be completely useless in modern medicine circles, thus completely removing any credibility to this rumor: http://www.dvmvac.org/norsworthy_calicivirus.asp Also of note, this entire website is a VERY PRO_VACCINE website, even going so far as to deny the proven facts about VAS and denouncing the new APPROVED feline vaccination guidelines of every 3 years for
Re: OK, Herbie does not have mediastinal LSA -- but probably something in hishead/sinus area
If it's just breathing issues, an emergency tracheotomy would be a immediate solution to that issue, though how cats do longer term with them I do not know. This is where a hole is cut in the throat to make a hole into the windpipe, thus letting the animal breathe through the neck area, instead of having to pass through the head cavity. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Original Message - From: Tracy Weese [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:39 PM Subject: OK,Herbie does not have mediastinal LSA -- but probably something in hishead/sinus area which is making it hard for him to breathe. Two swollen lymph nodes --which were tested--results back Tuesday. But.I don't know that he can make it till then. It's like he is congested in his head--and I think it's harder for him air almost daily--like something is really moving fast. Right now he looks a little pale, but I am going to watch him and if he stays pale, then I guess we go to the emerg. vet. I really think this bad, I just feel like he might not be here much longer. Tracy
Re: OT - the new Calici scare - it's a scam! See my research...
I am going to send my findings to best friends, as I believe they should remove the article from their website. I in no way blame your friend, mind you, she is the innocent victim of the drug company that is pushing their drugs at any cost. Please pass my email along to her though, she may not like it, but I think if she looked up the info, she might see that her vet is not such a great vet. Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Original Message - From: Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: OT - the new Calici scare - it's a scam! See my research... I actually know the person who posted that article to the Best Friends Network. She's a friend of mine; however, her vet is Dr. Norsworthy and she trusts him completely, much like I do my vet. If my vet told me my cat needed a vaccine for this condition, I would believe him. In fact, when she told me she was getting her cats vaccinated against this mutated calici virus I went to *my* vet and asked him about it. Dr. Norswothy published an article in the January issue of Cat Fancy, which I do not subscribe to but he does, so I went so far as to dig through his issues and drag it out and show it to him. I would say the Cat Fancy article is more the source of the rumors than the BF article is, as it came out in January and the BF article came out just a couple of days ago. That is just my opinion though. He told me that Fort Dodge makes vaccines of questionable quality, and that he did not recommend giving the vaccine. He only uses Meiral vaccines. Also does not recommend the FIP vaccine which is also manufactured by Ft Dodge. He says he has never seen a case of this and that the (admittedly gruesome) pictures that accompanied the Cat Fancy article could be several other things. So I never paid any attention to this calici thing after that. I'm not going to argue with my friend about what her trusted vet says, though. It wouldn't serve any purpose and is not a battle I would win. On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CROSS-POST THIS REPLY WIDELY! I've concluded this is a scam by Fort Dodge (via a vet working under their thumb through a big-time advertising company that has questionable ethical practices). I have submitted it to snopes.com so they can research it further, as they have better researchers than myself on their staff. I can find no studies or evidence online to back up these statements of a wide-spread new Calici outbreak requiring immediate vaccination with the new vaccine. All the many outbreaks I've seen posted are the word of mouth statements by one Dr. Norsworthy - a vet with current articles online that state blatantly FALSE facts with regards to current vaccination options and protocols. The only reference to calici outbreaks that matches the descriptions are on these webpages, which are several YEARS past now (the one outbreak I've seen documented by trusted sources happened in a very confined area in CA in 2002): http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/is_vs_fcv.shtml http://www.sheltermedicine.com/portal/journals.php http://www.goodnewsforpets.com/Articles.asp?ID=695 http://www.dvmvac.org/swiftaction.asp http://www.patentdebate.com/PATAPP/20040259225 (vaccine seems to have been at least partly patented in 2004 by UC Davis researchers) I did find the name of the vet who is traveling the country giving presentations about this new strain of calici, Dr. Norsworthy: http://network.bestfriends.org/texas/news/14454.html (this article may be the main source of all of the rumors, actually, as many people trust Best Friends as a good source of information. What people need to be aware of is that ANY news source can be influenced by the drug company campaigns. I believe this is an unfortunate case of just that having happened.) Not very surprisingly to me, when I found a link explaining Dr. Norsworthy's work and presentations, the page for more info is no longer there: http://www.goodnewsforpets.com/Articles.asp?ID=699 http://www.dvmvac.org/drnorsworthy.htm Doing more digging, I did find this on the same website, and if you just READ the answers this vet gives to the questions you can quickly conclude that one of two things are going on here: 1. This vet is a total moron that doesn't know about the most basic aspects of veterinary care, like INTRA_NASAL vaccines. 2. This is SO outdated, it was pre-Intra-nasal vaccine days, and thus makes it so medically outdated as to be completely useless in modern medicine circles, thus completely removing any credibility to this rumor: http://www.dvmvac.org/norsworthy_calicivirus.asp Also of note, this entire website is a VERY PRO_VACCINE website, even going so far as to deny the proven facts about VAS and denouncing the new APPROVED feline vaccination guidelines of every 3 years for many vaccines! This
angel wings: justice for the cats?
http://www.pet-abuse.com/cases/4896/TN/US/#UPDATES -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Urgent - Missing Mattie - need prayers and meditations please!
At 04:10 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote: What I have done that works great is first i use the animal screens and then I use either these metal things with holes drilled in an put them on all 4 corners at a 90 degree angle so the screens are impossible to push our...another option is that lattice that in not wood,, it is that resyn stuff the chairs and tables are made of. They can be cut easily with a skill or jig saw and then scrrewed in to INSIDE of the house and they look nice and virtually indestructiblecheap and work great. All my windows are protected with either of these ands all my doors have springs on them ,,,lest an idiot leaves them open. kelly Screened windows. STUPID! Gees, makes me realize I need to put that on my adoption application... Do you plan to open your windows this summer? Do you have screens? Do you believe screens will contain a cat? Would you be willing to staple chicken wire over your windows or agree to NOT open them more than a 1 inch crack? Phaewryn http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlhttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Special Needs Cat Resources - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Hideyo Yamamoto To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: Urgent - Missing Mattie - need prayers and meditations please! One of the rescued kitties, Mattie who is about one year old, a beautiful long hair calico girl, Mattie is missing from her new adopted home since last night on the first day she is partly feral and we desaprately trying to find her again she is very new to the area as she got out of the house from the screen window on the first day I put the flyers out everywhere she is microchiped, but since she is sort of feral, so more likely non one will see her during day time or catch her please pray that we will find her soon and bring her back safely heres the meditation which has worked for so many missing kitties in the past please meditate for Mattie as she is such a sweet angel and she is so scared right now as she has no idea where she is and where to find a food than kyou for all your prayers and meditations in advance! You imagine a golden coil coming from your heart center Searching and probing for missing Mattie! Latch onto her like a magnet and guiding safely home to Dawne! All the prayers are so appreciated. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/779 - Release Date: 4/28/2007 3:32 PM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM
Re: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on for years
Yeah, and you know, when I first saw melamine dishes again--after years of not seeing the stuff anywhere, there it was in Crate Barrel! Now on the back of anything it says, of COURSE, Made in China and Not for microwave use or something along those lines. Some of the shapes were really cute but I thought, How moronic! Why buy anything you can't use in the microwave in this day and age? And, by the way, I checked the ingredients in some Jewel Bakeshop muffins and THEY have wheat gluten in them! I'm going to have to start baking again! Everyone eats so much more processed food than we used to. Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 29, 2007, at 4:00 PM, TenHouseCats wrote: i don't want to minimize this, of course, but my first thought when they were blaming melamine was that if melamine was the problem, we'd probably all be dead anyway those of us from the 50s whose parents never fed us on anything BUT melamine once it became popular. i see in my mind, all the scratches from the steak knives. all the awful patterns worn off and then, the microwave era.. if the scratches on the plates weren't giving us our recommended daily requirement of melamine, once we started fuming them and eating the melange of food and plastic, well... in my not-even-remotely-humble-opinion, we've all been fooling ourselves for years. some of us knowingly--realizing, to some level, how bad it was, and just accepting there probably wasn't much we could do about it because we were not in a position to be heard--most without any awareness. how many of you remember when we first learned that there rodent feces are allowed in our food, as long as it's in the proper percentage? same with insect bodies this is NOT new. it's just taken a population that we seem to care about more than we care about other people for us to stand up and say, enough. : drags her soapbox over to the calici virus arena MC On 4/29/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com. -- Forwarded message -- From: Itchmo Pet Safety Alerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 13:18:40 -0400 Subject: Itchmo Safety Alert: Melamine spiking widespread going on for years Full details: http://www.itchmo.com/read/melamine-spiking-in-food-widespread-for- years_20070429 We will just let the story speak for itself. No more denials, no more hemming and hawing by the FDA. Time to take massive cautionary action is now. It's not just animal feed anymore. It's not just pet food. It's a crisis. It's been going on for years. Highlights below from the IHT article: Here at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group factory, huge boiler vats are turning coal into melamine, which is used to create plastics and fertilizer. But the leftover melamine scrap, small acorn-sized chunks of white rock, is then being sold to local entrepreneurs, who say they secretly mix a powdered form of the scrap into animal feed to artificially enhance the protein level. It just saves money, says a manager at an animal feed factory here. Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level. The practice is widespread in China. For years animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here. More at www.itchmo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe: www.itchmo.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OK, Herbie does not have mediastinal LSA -- but probably something in his head/sinus area
Dear Tracy: Poor little one. Emergency vet sounds like the way to go. He can get some oxygen there and whatever else they can do to make him comfy. And more brains analyzing Herbie's situation will also help. They say that a death from emphysema where you get less and less air is one of the worst because the patient feels as if he/she are drowning--so I would certainly consider driving the little darling there now if he is having trouble getting enough air. Love and head butts to you and little Herbie, Tee 'n' the Wildlife Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 29, 2007, at 5:39 PM, Tracy Weese wrote: which is making it hard for him to breathe. Two swollen lymph nodes --which were tested--results back Tuesday. But.I don't know that he can make it till then. It's like he is congested in his head--and I think it's harder for him air almost daily--like something is really moving fast. Right now he looks a little pale, but I am going to watch him and if he stays pale, then I guess we go to the emerg. vet. I really think this bad, I just feel like he might not be here much longer. Tracy [Original Message] From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: 4/29/2007 2:16:17 PM Subject: From Michelle: Fwd: Re: mediastinal LSA --anyone have succes withtreatment?? Note: forwarded message attached. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Fwd: This is the original IHT article re: melamine spiking in China
Here is the original IHT story. Someone was smart enough to save it. Kiki Says: April 29th, 2007 at 2:28 pm Good thing I e-mailed it to myself as a text. Additive that tainted U.S. pet food is commonly used in China By David Barboza and Alexei Barrionuevo The New York Times Sunday, April 29, 2007 American food safety regulators trying to figure out how an industrial chemical called melamine contaminated so much pet food in the United States might come to this heavily polluted city in Shandong Province in the northern part of the country. Here at the Shandong Mingshui Great Chemical Group factory, huge boiler vats are turning coal into melamine, which is used to create plastics and fertilizer. But the leftover melamine scrap, small acorn-sized chunks of white rock, is then being sold to local entrepreneurs, who say they secretly mix a powdered form of the scrap into animal feed to artificially enhance the protein level. The melamine powder has been dubbed “fake protein” and is used to deceive those who raise animals into thinking they are buying feed that provides higher nutrition value. “It just saves money,” says a manager at an animal feed factory here. “Melamine scrap is added to animal feed to boost the protein level.” The practice is widespread in China. For years animal feed sellers have been able to cheat buyers by blending the powder into feed with little regulatory supervision, according to interviews with melamine scrap traders and agricultural workers here. But now, melamine is at the center of a massive, multinational pet food recall after it was linked earlier this month to the deaths and injuries of thousands of cats and dogs in the United States and South Africa. No one knows exactly how melamine - which had not been believed to be particularly toxic - became so fatal in pet food, but its presence in any form of American food is illegal. U.S. regulators are now headed to China to figure out why pet food ingredients imported from here, including wheat gluten, were contaminated with high levels of the chemical. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has banned imports of wheat gluten from China and ordered the recall of over 60 million packages of pet food. And last week, the agency opened a criminal investigation in the case and searched the offices of at least one pet food supplier. The U.S. Department of Agriculture also stepped in Thursday, ordering more than 6,000 hogs to be quarantined or slaughtered after some of the pet food ingredients laced with melamine were accidentally sent to hog farms in eight states, including California. Scientists are now trying to determine whether melamine could be harmful to human health. The huge pet food recall is raising questions in the United States about regulatory controls at a time when food supplies are increasingly being sourced globally. Some experts complain that the FDA is understaffed and underfunded, making it incapable of safeguarding America’s food supply. “They have fewer people inspecting product at the ports than ever before,” says Caroline Smith DeWaal, director of food safety for the Center for Science in the Public Interest in Washington. “Until China gets programs in place to verify the safety of their products, they need to be inspected by U.S. inspectors. This open- door policy on food ingredients is an open invitation for an attack on the food supply, either intentional or unintentional.” The pet food case is also putting China’s agricultural exports under greater scrutiny because the country’s dubious food safety record and history of excessive antibiotic and pesticide use. In recent years, for instance, China’s food safety scandals have involved everything from fake baby milk formulas and soy sauce made from human hair, to instances where cuttlefish were soaked in calligraphy ink to improve their color and eels were fed contraceptive pills to make them grow long and slim. China’s government disputes any suggestion that melamine from the country could have killed pets. But Friday, regulators here banned the use of melamine in vegetable proteins made for export or for use in domestic food supplies. Yet it is clear from visiting this region of northern China is that for years melamine has been quietly mixed into Chinese animal feed and then sold to unsuspecting farmers as protein-rich pig, poultry and fish feed. Many animal feed operators advertise on the Internet seeking to purchase melamine scrap. And melamine scrap producers and traders said in recent interviews that they often sell to animal feed makers. “Many companies buy melamine scrap to make animal feed, such as fish feed,” says Ji Denghui, general manager of the Fujian Sanming Dinghui Chemical Company. “I don’t know if there’s a regulation on it. Probably not. No law or regulation says ‘don’t do it,’ so
Re: Tomi
Thank you. I think this weekend has been the hardest of my life. Oddly enough, Tomi was a little better today. I didn't expect him to make it through the night last night, but today, he actually walked out of the bedroom on his own. I don't believe he's actually better, though. He still isn't able to go to the bathroom on his own, and is so weak. He is drinking alot of water too. I don't really know if that is good or bad. I guess I will see what tomorrow brings. Sadly I have to go to work, but i'll likely take the afternoon off, or call in sick, depending how he is in the morning. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:04 PM Subject: Tomi Hi Cassandra, I am so sorry that Tomi is so ill. It does sound like his quality of life is declining quickly. It's a heartbreaking and confusing roller coaster to see our beloved furbabies enjoying life one day and the next, obviously in pain or stressed. If Tomi is going to pass, I hope that he does it quickly and peacefully. Bless you for taking such wonderful care of him. Take care, :) Wendy --- C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you all for your kind thoughts and suggestions for Tomi. He had a pretty good day yesterday, he was watching the birds outside the window for awhile and purring as I petted him. He was even interested in eating some food. Today was not such a good day. He seemed ok first thing this morning, but when I gave him a bit of food, he promptly vomited up. He was then a little out of breath from vomiting, and cried a bit because I believe he was scared as he was trying to catch his breath. He also peed himself for the first time ever :( After that, he had no energy to move all day. He basically stayed in my bedroom the whole day, lying under the sink. I gave him some towels to lie on, and he peed again tonight on those, too weak to get up. My vet clinic doesn't do house calls, so if I need to euthanize him, i'll have to call around and see if anyone will do a house call. I don't think he can handle a car ride at all now. Even the thought of putting him to sleep has me in tears every time, but I think he's at the point now that he is getting no pleasure out of life. I think he is waiting to die :( Cassandra - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: I believe I am going to lose Tomi soon I've been hoping and praying that Tomi would somehow pull through this, and last week he did seem to be doing better on the 2 prednisone per day. But now, the last few days, he's been going downhill fast. Today, he is out of breath just walking a few feet, and breathing fast. I'm still able to coax him to eat a bit of baby food, but he just threw up the last bit of food I gave him. He never throws up normally. I guess I have to finally accept the fact that he's not going to get better. I've been thinking about the whole euthanizing thing, but I honestly don't know how I could do that to him. To spend the last hours of his life doing to him what he hates the most (car ride and vet visit), seems too hard for me to handle. I don't think i'm strong enough to make that decision. To me it feels like I would be personally ending his life. I don't want him to suffer either, and i'm not sure at all how much longer he will last when he is having difficulty getting enough oxygen circulated due to anemia. I still can't believe all this has happened. Two months ago I was positive he would one day become a chunky, lazy old tom cat, lounging in the sun. I would never have dreamed I would lose him after only 2 and a half years. Over the last 7 weeks, i've become even closer to him than ever as I've been trying to nurse him back to health.He's always been so loving and tolerant of my hugs and kisses. Life is going to feel so empty when he is gone. Cassandra -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.0/775 - Release Date: 4/24/2007 5:43 PM Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM
A little thing I made for Tomi
I am not terribly artistic, but I finding spending some doing something like this a bit therapeutic. Tomi and Kisa (his best friend and fellow FeLV+). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg I might get a print made eventually, to remind me of him. Cassandra
Re: A little thing I made for Tomi
At 06:41 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote: That is beautiful Simple beautiful!!! Kelly I am not terribly artistic, but I finding spending some doing something like this a bit therapeutic. Tomi and Kisa (his best friend and fellow FeLV+). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg I might get a print made eventually, to remind me of him. Cassandra No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM
Re: A little thing I made for Tomi
Oh my god Cassandra that is beautiful.Made me cry!! C J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not terribly artistic, but I finding spending some doing something like this a bit therapeutic. Tomi and Kisa (his best friend and fellow FeLV+). http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg I might get a print made eventually, to remind me of him. Cassandra - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Herbie is gone......
Herbie was in a lot of distress at home and so I took him to the emergency vet (also the place that just saw him on Friday), even after being stabilized in oxygen, he continue to go down hill. His heart was enlarged and we were very limited in what diagnostics could be done in light of the stress on the heart (couldn't give him fluids) and then his inability to drawn air in..The new X-rays shows spots on the lungs and poss. fluid, the lymph nodes were still very large. So, with a poor prognosis, and the fact that he would not be able to survive surgery or sedation, I decided to let him go. When I went back to see him, I knew immediately it was the right thing to do--he looked awful, even with the oxygen, he was really struggling to breatheHe went as soon as the sedation was given, he was gone before the lethal fluid was even given. I will miss Herbie--he was such a love bug--hence, his name. He liked to lie next to other cats and put his arms around them. Tracy
Re: Herbie is gone......
At 09:06 PM 4/29/2007, you wrote: Tracy, I am so very sorry . It is so hard to watch them struggle to breathe and your act of kindness, even though it hurt terribly was the one thing to end his suffering, That is what love is all about, Putting their needs ahead of your own. I am so sorry Kelly Herbie was in a lot of distress at home and so I took him to the emergency vet (also the place that just saw him on Friday), even after being stabilized in oxygen, he continue to go down hill. His heart was enlarged and we were very limited in what diagnostics could be done in light of the stress on the heart (couldn't give him fluids) and then his inability to drawn air in..The new X-rays shows spots on the lungs and poss. fluid, the lymph nodes were still very large. So, with a poor prognosis, and the fact that he would not be able to survive surgery or sedation, I decided to let him go. When I went back to see him, I knew immediately it was the right thing to do--he looked awful, even with the oxygen, he was really struggling to breatheHe went as soon as the sedation was given, he was gone before the lethal fluid was even given. I will miss Herbie--he was such a love bug--hence, his name. He liked to lie next to other cats and put his arms around them. Tracy -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM
Re: Herbie is gone......
Tracy, Herbie had a special place in your heart, and he knew it. The Love Bug... I'm so sorry that Herbie is gone. You're in my prayers. Lance On Apr 29, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Tracy Weese wrote: Herbie was in a lot of distress at home and so I took him to the emergency vet (also the place that just saw him on Friday), even after being stabilized in oxygen, he continue to go down hill. His heart was enlarged and we were very limited in what diagnostics could be done in light of the stress on the heart (couldn't give him fluids) and then his inability to drawn air in..The new X-rays shows spots on the lungs and poss. fluid, the lymph nodes were still very large. So, with a poor prognosis, and the fact that he would not be able to survive surgery or sedation, I decided to let him go. When I went back to see him, I knew immediately it was the right thing to do--he looked awful, even with the oxygen, he was really struggling to breatheHe went as soon as the sedation was given, he was gone before the lethal fluid was even given. I will miss Herbie--he was such a love bug--hence, his name. He liked to lie next to other cats and put his arms around them. Tracy
Re: A little thing I made for Tomi
I think the art is quite nice, but the best part, and the part that really got to me, is the picture of the best friends. I pray that Tomi will rebound. I'm with you about taking time off for an unwell cat. I've stayed home with Ember a few times, and if she ever needs me, I'll do it again. Even though my job isn't terribly far from home, it feels like it when I'm there and she's here. Prayers for Tomi. Lance On Apr 29, 2007, at 8:41 PM, C J wrote: I am not terribly artistic, but I finding spending some doing something like this a bit therapeutic. Tomi and Kisa (his best friend and fellow FeLV+). http:// img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Fyrwulf/FirstSpacetrip5.jpg I might get a print made eventually, to remind me of him. Cassandra
