Ki
Remember i told you all that Ki had a fever last week? They couldn't find a reason why at this time, and put him on Clavamox. He still has his 3rd eyelid showing a bit, and just doesn't seem right. He isn't eating well either. I have called the vet and asked for advice. The fever is still low grade. It sounds to me like we need to change antibiotics. Any ideas? Thanks, Dede When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
RE: frustrated
Wow! Thank you all for the support! I'm back at work now-late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies-and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I'm very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska-far away from everyone on this list I think! But, I'll let her know later today that there are people who would be willing to help her take care of the nuisance. She seems less stressed today, but it still breaks my heart to think of poor mama kitty and the baby having to go through that. I'm more than willing to transport as far as my paycheck will allow if anyone is interested in this baby (or any of my other foster cats, he he!) Since I'm at work, I'll stealthily keep you posted today. Thanks again-I love being able to reach out to people who understand and who aren't monsters! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated My nephew got me a bumper sticker for Christmas The more people I meet the more I like my cat. If the situation is still on-going tomorrow you could offer, ever so sweetly, to relieve the lady of her problem, explaining how you know it is a burden, etc. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: OT: frustrated I know this is off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since it's consuming my thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didn't see them when they closed it. It's been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk. Mama kitty didn't make it, but amazingly the baby did. But now my co-worker (more annoyed by the smell than anything) isn't sure what to do with the baby. She tried to feed it, I think, but she doesn't know about kitty milk or anything like that. And she actually sounds as if she'd rather just let it die. How horrifying. I've been close to tears all day after she told me so regularly as if it were nothing more than a nuisance. I really want to go take this baby and help it, but 1) I'm new here-it's overstepping some boundaries, 2) the baby might not have made it through today anyway without food, and 3) I have 3 of my own cats, 2 fosters, and a husband who loves cats but is getting a little frustrated that I haven't found homes for the foster cats yet. I know what the right thing to do is, but I'm conflicted. More than anything I'm angry at this lady (or saddened) by her lack of enthusiasm to help the poor baby. I can't stop thinking about this little kitty. Right now I'm generally disgusted with people.
RE: frustrated
So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have "farm cats" look at them as "just there and nothing special." I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the peoplewent to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog "put down" before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jun 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustratedWow! Thank you all for the support! I’m back at work now—late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies—and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I’m very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska—far away from everyone on this list I think! But, I’ll let her know later today that there are people who would be willing to help her take care of the “nuisance.” She seems less stressed today, but it still breaks my heart to think of poor mama kitty and the baby having to go through that. I’m more than willing to transport as far as my paycheck will allow if anyone is interested in this baby (or any of my other foster cats, he he!) Since I’m at work, I’ll stealthily keep you posted today. Thanks again—I love being able to reach out to people who understand and who aren’t monsters! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarylynSent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: frustrated My nephew got me a bumper sticker for Christmas "The more people Imeet the more I like my cat." If the situation is still on-going tomorrow you could offer, ever so sweetly, to relieve the "lady" of her problem, explaining how you know it is a burden, etc. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: OT: frustrated I know this is off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since it’s consuming my thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didn’t see them when they closed it. It’s been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk. Mama kitty didn’t make it, but amazingly the baby did. But now my co-worker (more annoyed by the smell than anything) isn’t sure what to do with the baby. She tried to feed it, I think, but she doesn’t know about kitty milk or anything like that. And she actually sounds as if she’d rather just let it die. How horrifying. I’ve been close to tears all day after she told me so “regularly” as if it were nothing more than a nuisance. I really want to go take this baby and help it, but 1) I’m new here—it’s overstepping some boundaries, 2) the baby might not have made it through today anyway without food, and 3) I have 3 of my own cats, 2 fosters, and a husband who loves cats but is getting a little frustrated that I haven’t found homes for the foster cats yet. I know what the right thing to do is, but I’m conflicted. More than anything I’m angry at this lady (or saddened) by her lack of enthusiasm to help the poor baby. I can’t stop thinking about this little kitty. Right now I’m generally disgusted with people.
Re: The best food for Duncan??
Innova Evo dry and wet, hands down, imo. Lysine is great if the immune system needs boosting or if there are viruses, like FeLV. If kitty is at least 6 months old, and at a decent weight, you can give 250-500 mg 2x per day. It's tasteless, so put into wet food or tuna. Use pure lysine, and especially make sure there is no propynol glycol addiditive in it, which causes blood issues in cats. As far as we know, the virus can only live seconds out of it's host, so tracking it around your house is probably highly unlikely. The experts don't really know all the specifics of FeLV transmission just yet. IMO, based on what I have seen here, FeLV is transmitted via in-utero (pregnant moms passing the anitbodies on to their offspring) and via saliva to blood contact (ie. bites). Although I am not an expert, I do not feel that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva in ways such as grooming. If it were, a lot more cats would have it. I hope this info. helps. Good luck with Duncan! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: to Tonya
Hey Jane, She had one uri when she was around 2, but that's all. I don't do anything special for her. I just watch her carefully. She overgrooms and I've had no luck getting her to stop that. tonya Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya 8 years seems so hopeful. Have there been times when he was symptomatic and struggled. Please tell me how you have cared for him. Jane On Jun 17, 2007, at 12:06 PM, catatonya wrote: Hi Laura, I'm in Georgia too. Where are you? My positive is 8 years old and going strong right now. tonya Laura
Re: Update:Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!
Terrie, Still praying for your hubby. I hope the third surgery went well. Please keep us posted on his progress. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: Tomi is worse off than I thought
Hi Cassandra, I am so surprised that hemobart was a problem for both Kisa and Tomi. I did a little research and it said that the mother can pass the parasite to her kittens. How old is Tomi? Isn't he Kisa's brother? If this is the case, they may have had the parasite for a while. You may have to opt for a blood transfusion to help Tomi. It will give him a fighting chance, especially since his HCT is 7.7. That's very low. Has the vet mentioned this? Did they prescribe prednisolone for him? I can't remember if Tomi is FeLV+. Something tells me he is. I'm so sorry you are having to deal with anemia again. That's horrible. Don't let it get you down. Hemobart is treatable. Please keep us posted. Prayers going out for Tomi and for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
Re: Ki
Dede, No ideas other than what you've suggested. Fever is not necessarily a bad thing as it's the body's response to fighting infection. Any ideas to if and where he might have infection? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
Re: OT: frustrated
Melissa, I'm sorry you've been put in this position. And I'm sorry that the mama kitty didn't make it. How horrible... I hate it when people act non-chalantly about an animal being ill or dying. I just want to shake them until their teeth rattle. It makes me sick. Maybe you are the saving grace for this kitten. Maybe this happened just to make us all aware of the insensitivity of others or the dangers that cats can get into. Who knows. I hope you find the answers you're looking for. And I especially hope this kitten has a chance. Poor thing. I know your husband has his limits, but maybe he will understand the situation when you tell it to him like you did us. To hell with not knowing the woman...she brought the subject up. If you offer your help, she should not be offended. Keep us posted. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: frustrated
It isn't just farmers. One man I know hauled his very ill dog (family pet) to three vets getting the lowest price to kill this close friend of his children. Cats are held in even less esteem. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Debbie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: RE: frustrated So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have farm cats look at them as just there and nothing special. I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the people went to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog put down before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind Sent: Jun 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated Wow! Thank you all for the support! I’m back at work now—late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies—and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I’m very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska—far away from everyone on this list I think! But, I’ll let her know later today that there are people who would be willing to help her take care of the “nuisance.” She seems less stressed today, but it still breaks my heart to think of poor mama kitty and the baby having to go through that. I’m more than willing to transport as far as my paycheck will allow if anyone is interested in this baby (or any of my other foster cats, he he!) Since I’m at work, I’ll stealthily keep you posted today. Thanks again—I love being able to reach out to people who understand and who aren’t monsters! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated My nephew got me a bumper sticker for Christmas The more people I meet the more I like my cat. If the situation is still on-going tomorrow you could offer, ever so sweetly, to relieve the lady of her problem, explaining how you know it is a burden, etc. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: OT: frustrated I know this is off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since it’s consuming my thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didn’t see them when they closed it. It’s been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk. Mama kitty didn’t make it, but amazingly the baby did. But now my
Re: frustrated
She may have been talking out of frustration and being overwhelmed yesterday. I hope so and it really sounds like she is coming to grips with the situation. Still, the baby needs a real home. Some farm cats live wonderful lives, others don't. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: RE: frustrated Wow! Thank you all for the support! I'm back at work now-late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies-and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I'm very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska-far away from everyone on this list I think! But, I'll let her know later today that there are people who would be willing to help her take care of the nuisance. She seems less stressed today, but it still breaks my heart to think of poor mama kitty and the baby having to go through that. I'm more than willing to transport as far as my paycheck will allow if anyone is interested in this baby (or any of my other foster cats, he he!) Since I'm at work, I'll stealthily keep you posted today. Thanks again-I love being able to reach out to people who understand and who aren't monsters! Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated My nephew got me a bumper sticker for Christmas The more people I meet the more I like my cat. If the situation is still on-going tomorrow you could offer, ever so sweetly, to relieve the lady of her problem, explaining how you know it is a burden, etc. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: OT: frustrated I know this is off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since it's consuming my thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didn't see them when they closed it. It's been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk. Mama kitty didn't make it, but amazingly the baby did. But now my co-worker (more annoyed by the smell than anything) isn't sure what to do with the baby. She tried to feed it, I think, but she doesn't know about kitty milk or anything like that. And she actually sounds as if she'd rather just let it die. How horrifying. I've been close to tears all day after she told me so regularly as if it were nothing more than a nuisance. I really want to go take this baby and help it, but 1) I'm new here-it's overstepping some boundaries, 2) the baby might not have made it through today anyway without food, and 3) I have 3 of my own cats, 2 fosters, and a husband who loves cats but is getting a little frustrated that I haven't found homes for the foster cats yet. I know what the right thing to do is, but I'm conflicted. More than anything I'm angry at this lady (or saddened) by her lack of enthusiasm to help the poor baby. I can't stop thinking about this little kitty. Right now I'm generally disgusted with people.
RE: frustrated
Debbie, I am continually shocked by people's insensitivity and down-right barbarism. I can't believe that about the raccoons! What a sweet story with such a horrific ending! As for my situation, I brought up the fact that there would be help for this kitty if they wanted me to take it off their hands. I told her that I had mentioned the situation to a group, and they were more then willing to help (I thought this would also sound less like I am the one intruding). But, as luck would have it, her husband is a cat-lover (of sorts). He talks to them and is telling another mama kitty to adopt this poor guy. It sounds as though he has a big heart. I'm glad he talks to the kitties all the time-they need someone like that. I'm going to bring them some kitten milk and food that I have at home-I'm actually going to buy some more and tell her that it was just extra of mine that I didn't need anymore. It's sad that because they live on a farm and don't spay/neuter, that this will happen continually. I will still ask about baby kitty, and I've told her that if her husband wants to part with the little guy (or girl), that I'd surely help. How can I not? Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have farm cats look at them as just there and nothing special. I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the people went to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog put down before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind Sent: Jun 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated Wow! Thank you all for the support! I'm back at work now-late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies-and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I'm very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska-far away from everyone on this list I think! But, I'll let her know later today that there are people who would be willing to help her take care of the nuisance. She seems less stressed today, but it still breaks my heart to think of poor mama kitty and the baby having to go through that. I'm more than willing to transport as far as my paycheck will allow if anyone is interested in this baby (or any of my other foster cats, he he!) Since I'm at work, I'll stealthily keep you posted today. Thanks again-I love being able to reach out to people who understand and who aren't monsters! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated My nephew got me a bumper sticker for Christmas The more people I meet the more I like my cat. If the situation is still on-going tomorrow you could offer, ever so sweetly, to relieve the lady of her problem, explaining how you know it is a burden, etc. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: OT: frustrated I know this
Re: Ki
No idea. The vet changed him to baytril. I looked up his records, and saw that he was on that the last time he did this, which ws in Nov of 06. He seemed to have a sore tail then, and we figured someone bit him. He won't eat, but I will give him some more AD, and do fluids. Hopefully the Baytril will kick in. He just looks so sad, but he is waking around. I am not going to put him back into the general population of cats after this. What a day. At least Whiskers hasn't thrown up since I gave her the Reglan. Worry, worry, worry. Oh well, we all know it could be much worse. Dede --- wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dede, No ideas other than what you've suggested. Fever is not necessarily a bad thing as it's the body's response to fighting infection. Any ideas to if and where he might have infection? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: Introduction/Duncan
Hi Laura, Welcome to the list. How old is Duncan? If he's young, he has a decent chance of throwing off the virus. We've even seen adult cats do it, so retesting him in a few months might be a good idea. Lysine will be good for him. It's a tasteless amino acid that can be added to wet food. Or pill popped. It's for strengthening the immune system, which is needed in FeLV+ kitties. Keeping Duncan stress free and feeding him a good diet, like Innova Evo or another premium food, are the two best things you can do for him right now. Feel free to ask any other specific questions you might have. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Re: Introduction/Duncan
Dixie is doing wonderfully on Primal Raw + veggies (high vitamin C and iron types like carrots, green beans, spinach and broccoli). If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Introduction/Duncan Hi Laura, Welcome to the list. How old is Duncan? If he's young, he has a decent chance of throwing off the virus. We've even seen adult cats do it, so retesting him in a few months might be a good idea. Lysine will be good for him. It's a tasteless amino acid that can be added to wet food. Or pill popped. It's for strengthening the immune system, which is needed in FeLV+ kitties. Keeping Duncan stress free and feeding him a good diet, like Innova Evo or another premium food, are the two best things you can do for him right now. Feel free to ask any other specific questions you might have. :) Wendy Dallas, Tx Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
Who sent me the off-list email? (I accidentally deleted it before replying)
Hi guys, Someone emailed me off-list, I believe it was late last week, and I must have accidentally deleted it because I can't find it to reply. If it was you, and you could resend the email, I would be very appreciative. I apologize for my absentmindedness! Thanks! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/
RE: frustrated
I was planning on doing the trap/alter/release program this summer with some help from the vet-but the good one left. Sadly, this morning as I was getting some meds from the regular vet, and he told me how much he hates his daughter's cats and how he threatened to kill them! He said the girls are wondering how come the cats are still around since they thought daddy was going to kill them. It just gets worse and worse around here! You can't even turn to the vet! Argh! I'm going to ask around this larger community where I work (Norfolk, NE), and see if there is such a program. I'm also going to start going to a different vet I think. Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated I don't know if you have a trap/alter/release organization in your area or not but, if you do, they might help. My bet is the husband would support this if he is trying to help the little one. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: RE: frustrated Debbie, I am continually shocked by people's insensitivity and down-right barbarism. I can't believe that about the raccoons! What a sweet story with such a horrific ending! As for my situation, I brought up the fact that there would be help for this kitty if they wanted me to take it off their hands. I told her that I had mentioned the situation to a group, and they were more then willing to help (I thought this would also sound less like I am the one intruding). But, as luck would have it, her husband is a cat-lover (of sorts). He talks to them and is telling another mama kitty to adopt this poor guy. It sounds as though he has a big heart. I'm glad he talks to the kitties all the time-they need someone like that. I'm going to bring them some kitten milk and food that I have at home-I'm actually going to buy some more and tell her that it was just extra of mine that I didn't need anymore. It's sad that because they live on a farm and don't spay/neuter, that this will happen continually. I will still ask about baby kitty, and I've told her that if her husband wants to part with the little guy (or girl), that I'd surely help. How can I not? Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have farm cats look at them as just there and nothing special. I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the people went to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog put down before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind Sent: Jun 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated Wow! Thank you all for the support! I'm back at work now-late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies-and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I'm very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska-far away from everyone on this
RE: frustrated
Wow. That's shocking of a vet to say that---so unprofessional, apart from anything else. Glad you're planning to put your hard-earned $$ elsewhere, Melissa. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Melissa Lind Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 2:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated I was planning on doing the trap/alter/release program this summer with some help from the vet-but the good one left. Sadly, this morning as I was getting some meds from the regular vet, and he told me how much he hates his daughter's cats and how he threatened to kill them! He said the girls are wondering how come the cats are still around since they thought daddy was going to kill them. It just gets worse and worse around here! You can't even turn to the vet! Argh! I'm going to ask around this larger community where I work (Norfolk, NE), and see if there is such a program. I'm also going to start going to a different vet I think. Melissa IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: frustrated
Melissa I cannot imagine a vet can be so callous, or frankly, so sick. At the very bottom of the AVMA's home page, there is a contact us link. You might register your conversation with this vet by name. If there have been previous complaints about his conduct or care, they could take action. http://www.avma.org/ That is a very disturbing comment coming from someone who has taken the AVMA oath. Best Jane On Jun 19, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Melissa Lind wrote: I was planning on doing the trap/alter/release program this summer with some help from the vet—but the good one left. Sadly, this morning as I was getting some meds from the regular vet, and he told me how much he hates his daughter’s cats and how he threatened to kill them! He said the girls are wondering how come the cats are still around since they thought daddy was going to kill them. It just gets worse and worse around here! You can’t even turn to the vet! Argh! I’m going to ask around this larger community where I work (Norfolk, NE), and see if there is such a program. I’m also going to start going to a different vet I think. Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated I don't know if you have a trap/alter/release organization in your area or not but, if you do, they might help. My bet is the husband would support this if he is trying to help the little one. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: RE: frustrated Debbie, I am continually shocked by people’s insensitivity and down-right barbarism. I can’t believe that about the raccoons! What a sweet story with such a horrific ending! As for my situation, I brought up the fact that there would be help for this kitty if they wanted me to take it off their hands. I told her that I had mentioned the situation to a group, and they were more then willing to help (I thought this would also sound less like I am the one intruding). But, as luck would have it, her husband is a cat-lover (of sorts). He talks to them and is telling another mama kitty to adopt this poor guy. It sounds as though he has a big heart. I’m glad he talks to the kitties all the time—they need someone like that. I’m going to bring them some kitten milk and food that I have at home—I’m actually going to buy some more and tell her that it was just extra of mine that I didn’t need anymore. It’s sad that because they live on a farm and don’t spay/neuter, that this will happen continually. I will still ask about baby kitty, and I’ve told her that if her husband wants to part with the little guy (or girl), that I’d surely help. How can I not? Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have farm cats look at them as just there and nothing special. I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the people went to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog put down before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind
Re: Ki
Hi Dede I don't have any information about antibiotics, but now would be the time to do the FortiFlora, if you haven't already begun. Hopefully the Baytril will do the trick. A sore tail might make him feel sad, especially if the circumstance wasn't to his liking. Hoping the boy begins to perk up. Please let us know. Best Jane On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:33 PM, dede hicken wrote: No idea. The vet changed him to baytril. I looked up his records, and saw that he was on that the last time he did this, which ws in Nov of 06. He seemed to have a sore tail then, and we figured someone bit him. He won't eat, but I will give him some more AD, and do fluids. Hopefully the Baytril will kick in. He just looks so sad, but he is waking around. I am not going to put him back into the general population of cats after this. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ _ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 ___ _ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search? fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: frustrated
The vet is an abomination. On 6/19/07, Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was planning on doing the trap/alter/release program this summer with some help from the vet—but the good one left. Sadly, this morning as I was getting some meds from the regular vet, and he told me how much he hates his daughter's cats and how he threatened to kill them! He said the girls are wondering how come the cats are still around since they thought daddy was going to kill them. It just gets worse and worse around here! You can't even turn to the vet! Argh! I'm going to ask around this larger community where I work (Norfolk, NE), and see if there is such a program. I'm also going to start going to a different vet I think. Melissa -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Marylyn *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:26 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: frustrated I don't know if you have a trap/alter/release organization in your area or not but, if you do, they might help. My bet is the husband would support this if he is trying to help the little one. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2007 1:18 PM *Subject:* RE: frustrated Debbie, I am continually shocked by people's insensitivity and down-right barbarism. I can't believe that about the raccoons! What a sweet story with such a horrific ending! As for my situation, I brought up the fact that there would be help for this kitty if they wanted me to take it off their hands. I told her that I had mentioned the situation to a group, and they were more then willing to help (I thought this would also sound less like I am the one intruding). But, as luck would have it, her husband is a cat-lover (of sorts). He talks to them and is telling another mama kitty to adopt this poor guy. It sounds as though he has a big heart. I'm glad he talks to the kitties all the time—they need someone like that. I'm going to bring them some kitten milk and food that I have at home—I'm actually going to buy some more and tell her that it was just extra of mine that I didn't need anymore. It's sad that because they live on a farm and don't spay/neuter, that this will happen continually. I will still ask about baby kitty, and I've told her that if her husband wants to part with the little guy (or girl), that I'd surely help. How can I not? Melissa -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Debbie *Sent:* Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:23 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* RE: frustrated So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have farm cats look at them as just there and nothing special. I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the people went to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog put down before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind Sent: Jun 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated Wow! Thank you all for the support! I'm back at work now—late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies—and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I'm
Re: Tomi is worse off than I thought
Kisa and Tomi weren't related. Kisa was about a month older than him. They were very close though, so one may have passed it on to the other, just like one likely passed the FeLV to the other. I'm giving Tomi dexamethasone, even though the vet didn't presribe it, about .5 cc twice a day. That's about 5mg per day. I thought about a transfusion, but he's had one already, and he's having troubles getting his HCT back to normal range even when the Hemobart is gone. I don't think I should put him through the stress of a transfusion because all that would do is buy him some time. He needs to be able to produce those red blood cells on his own. The vet believes the FeLV is suppressing his bone marrow. He does seem a little better today. His appetite is better and he's more alert. I don't feel the lumps in his stomach anymore either. He is drinking alot of water though, and peeing 4-5 times per day. Hopefully he doesn't have another problem now on top of the anemia. Cassandra - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Tomi is worse off than I thought Hi Cassandra, I am so surprised that hemobart was a problem for both Kisa and Tomi. I did a little research and it said that the mother can pass the parasite to her kittens. How old is Tomi? Isn't he Kisa's brother? If this is the case, they may have had the parasite for a while. You may have to opt for a blood transfusion to help Tomi. It will give him a fighting chance, especially since his HCT is 7.7. That's very low. Has the vet mentioned this? Did they prescribe prednisolone for him? I can't remember if Tomi is FeLV+. Something tells me he is. I'm so sorry you are having to deal with anemia again. That's horrible. Don't let it get you down. Hemobart is treatable. Please keep us posted. Prayers going out for Tomi and for you. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM
Re: Ki
I sort of walked into this but if there is a sore you may want to culture it and do a sensitivity test for appropriate antibiotics. We did this with a problem Dixie was having and, thank God, an angel whispered in my ear to culture despite the vet giving me one of those You are wasting your money because this will work looks. I have wonderful vets who humor me. The bacteria was not sensitive to either of the broad spectrum antibiotics we had her on while we were waiting for the results. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki Hi Dede I don't have any information about antibiotics, but now would be the time to do the FortiFlora, if you haven't already begun. Hopefully the Baytril will do the trick. A sore tail might make him feel sad, especially if the circumstance wasn't to his liking. Hoping the boy begins to perk up. Please let us know. Best Jane On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:33 PM, dede hicken wrote: No idea. The vet changed him to baytril. I looked up his records, and saw that he was on that the last time he did this, which ws in Nov of 06. He seemed to have a sore tail then, and we figured someone bit him. He won't eat, but I will give him some more AD, and do fluids. Hopefully the Baytril will kick in. He just looks so sad, but he is waking around. I am not going to put him back into the general population of cats after this. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ _ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 ___ _ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search? fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: frustrated
I find also that farmers in general don't have alot of respect for animal lives. I guess it goes hand in hand with the nature of the business. When you raise animals to be slaughtered for food, you wouldn't tend to get very attached to them, and I think that carries over for other types of animals too. Alot of farmers don't like cats either. Cats are there to keep the mouse population down, and that's it. Personally, I tend to judge people by how they treat animals. I judge character based on how people treat those in a lesser position of power...whether it be other people or animals. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Debbie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:22 AM Subject: RE: frustrated So glad things are better. I was in this position years ago. My husband and I ended up hand raising 7 kittens from a co worker. If it is one kitten the lady may get attached to it. Although most people who have farm cats look at them as just there and nothing special. I know because I work with all farmers! They make fun of me all the time because of our cats and dogs. They don't know what they are missing.The one lady's in laws here had a cat that had given birth lately. Her in laws had killed a female raccoon earlier in the week. Somehow the mother cat had found the raccoon's babies and when the people went to look at the kittens they found the baby raccoons with them, nursing the mother cat. Instead of being awed at nature and seeing the beauty in the situation - the farmers being farmers shot the baby raccoons! i have come to find that farmers can very cruel to animals. The other guy here in the office, a few months ago, bragged about how he shot his own dog - just because it wouldn't stay home. Another guy in the warehouse asked me what the dog pound charged to put a dog to sleep. Seems his dog, that was close to 12 years old, was having problems getting on and off the couch. His wife is expecting and had informed him he needed to get the dog put down before the arrival of the baby. he didn't want to pay the vet to do it so he wanted to take it to the dog pound because it is cheaper! Wonder if someday he would do this to his child or parents when they get to be an inconvenience? -Original Message- From: Melissa Lind Sent: Jun 19, 2007 10:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: frustrated Wow! Thank you all for the support! I’m back at work now—late because I had to go to the vet for some medicine for my babies—and the lady told me right away about her little kitty who is lapping up milk by himself. She was very excited. I’m very relieved because I worried all night about the little one. I live in Nebraska—far away from everyone on this list I think! But, I’ll let her know later today that there are people who would be willing to help her take care of the “nuisance.” She seems less stressed today, but it still breaks my heart to think of poor mama kitty and the baby having to go through that. I’m more than willing to transport as far as my paycheck will allow if anyone is interested in this baby (or any of my other foster cats, he he!) Since I’m at work, I’ll stealthily keep you posted today. Thanks again—I love being able to reach out to people who understand and who aren’t monsters! Melissa From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marylyn Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: frustrated My nephew got me a bumper sticker for Christmas The more people I meet the more I like my cat. If the situation is still on-going tomorrow you could offer, ever so sweetly, to relieve the lady of her problem, explaining how you know it is a burden, etc. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 4:42 PM Subject: OT: frustrated I know this is off topic, but I just had to jot this down at work since it’s consuming my thoughts. A lady that I work with has farm cats. Sadly, mama kitty and baby climbed into the car trunk when open, and they didn’t see them when they closed it. It’s been really hot and the two spent an entire day in the trunk. Mama kitty didn’t make it, but amazingly the baby
Re: The best food for Duncan??
I think Innova EVO, Wellness, or homemade raw food are good choices. As for transmission of the virus, as long as the cats aren't sharing food/water bowls, litterboxes, or grooming each other, they would probably be safe. Cassandra - Original Message - From: Laura Mostello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 11:45 AM Subject: The best food for Duncan?? Hi, Jane suggested that I ask the list for food recommendations for Duncan. What would you all suggest? She also mentioned some supplements, like lysine and maitake. I know that these are readily available at health food stores, but I'd like to know about the dosage amount and frequency. Right now Duncan's appetite is excellent, and I'd like to keep it that way. He isn't my only cat, by the way. There are 8 others! All were saved from the euthanasia list at work. Duncan lives separately, in my tortoise room. This is probably a really stupid question, but I'll ask it anyway. I understand that FeLV is primarily transmitted through saliva, and that very casual contact between cats is probably not enough to cause infection. Are there other modes of transmission that I should worry about? If he's walking around in the tortoise room, should I be concerned that I'm bringing the virus into other areas of my house on my shoes? I'm being really, really fussy in order to prevent cross-contamination, but perhaps I don't need to nitpick quite so much. Oh, Tonya, I live in Villa Rica, in Carroll county. Where are you located? Laura -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/853 - Release Date: 6/18/2007 3:02 PM
Re: Ki
Hi Jane, My Junior got FortiFlora while he was on Baytril to prevent diarrhea Later on I purchased a good probiotic supplement which does the same thing. He had no bathroom issues. Sally On 6/19/07, Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dede I don't have any information about antibiotics, but now would be the time to do the FortiFlora, if you haven't already begun. Hopefully the Baytril will do the trick. A sore tail might make him feel sad, especially if the circumstance wasn't to his liking. Hoping the boy begins to perk up. Please let us know. Best Jane On Jun 19, 2007, at 2:33 PM, dede hicken wrote: No idea. The vet changed him to baytril. I looked up his records, and saw that he was on that the last time he did this, which ws in Nov of 06. He seemed to have a sore tail then, and we figured someone bit him. He won't eat, but I will give him some more AD, and do fluids. Hopefully the Baytril will kick in. He just looks so sad, but he is waking around. I am not going to put him back into the general population of cats after this. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ _ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 ___ _ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search? fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz