date:20070702

Yes, try your spam folder.  Tonight I had 40+ emails from the group in my spam 
folder.  I have no idea why so many are going there lately.
   
  Gina
  

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  You could also check your spam box.  Very occasionally one of the messages 
from this group gets routed to my spam box...I am not sure why..

  On 6/30/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   weird...maybe they 
will come in late.  that happens to me sometimes.   

  On 6/30/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hey guys,

There is something really weird going on with my
email.  I am not getting all the posts and I think 
it's been happening for a while now.  I only saw
Dede's post about Ki passing when Sally replied to
her.  I didn't even see Leslie's or Marylyn's to Dede,
but saw Dede reply to them in Sally's post.  Does 
anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks,
Wendy

--- Sally Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

 Hi Dede

 I am so sorry. I am always hopeful that our FELV 
 babies will somehow beat
 the virus. He had a good life with you and he thanks
 you for all you did.

 Sally


 On 6/30/07, dede hicken  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Thank you Marilyn and Leslie.
 
  Dede
 
 
 
  --- Marylyn  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Bless you for all the love you gave Ki.  When
 you
   are considering all the
   what ifs as we all do, consider what if you 
 had
   never come into his life
   and how wonderful you made his life.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
 If
   you have men who will
   exclude any of God's creatures
  
   from the shelter of
   compassion and pity, you will have men who 
  
   will deal likewise with
   their fellow man.
  
St.
   Francis
   - Original Message - 
   From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:09 PM
   Subject: Ki is an Angel
  
  
   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let 
 you
   know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
   
It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
   that
his belly looked really full.  The way he was 
breathing was weird also.  You could see his
 head
   and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up
 though,
   and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept 
 spiking.
   He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
   
The vet drained his belly, and it was thick
 straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein. 
 My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow
 when
   I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
   horrible
death. 
   
Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
   have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I
   dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I 
   believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came
 from a
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he 
   would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a
 fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,
   
I am so grateful for the time I had with him. 
 He
   came
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.
 I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him
 in
   the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and
 slept
   with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!
  I
   hope
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come 
 when
   we
can all be together forever.
   
May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you
 in
   his
care until we meet again. 
   
Dede
   
When you are in the service of your fellow
   beings, you are only in the
service of your God 
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Re: Ki is an Angel

I am so sorry DeDe.
   
  Gina
   
  

Leslie Lawther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
DeDe... we are all so sorry for your loss.  
  Leslie =^..^=

 
  On 6/30/07, dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.

It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night that 
his belly looked really full.  The way he was
breathing was weird also.  You could see his head and
chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though, and
the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking.  He
even ate a few pieces of food by himself.

The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when I
couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a horrible 
death.

Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should have
never put him in with most of the cats.  I dunno...I
could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I believed
he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a 
horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he would
beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
like this last Nov, but recovered,

I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He came 
to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in the
bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept with
him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I hope 
he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when we
can all be together forever.

May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in his
care until we meet again.

Dede

When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service 
of your God 
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Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth

2007-07-02 Thread Taylor Scobie Humphrey

What on earth is going on?  Sometimes people chit chat to relieve  
anxiety.  For instance, my kitty is FeLV+ AND haas mediastinal  
lymphoma.  Plus I have the requisite pile of other things going on in  
my life, just like everyone does, not all of which are just hunky- 
dory, believe me.


So if I've been chit chatting, it's to relieve anxiety linked to  
having a little one who was just one year old YESTERDAY who has been  
ill for three months out of his tiny life already with these two  
feline scourges.



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 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation.


On Jul 1, 2007, at 4:17 PM, laurieskatz wrote:


Please don't leave
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: elizabeth trent
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: OT list

well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to  
leave the list.  i'm not going to another list.


elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti


On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago  
so that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off  
topic, and to return to specific things relating to FELV.


most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic  
posts, because there are enough other places for that. many lists  
will ban people who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have  
died out because the topic has gotten lost in social interaction  
that belongs elsewhere. this isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty  
much the norm.





Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we  
are not moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that  
tends to happen on the other list, and clutters it up, making it  
harder for people to find the real info about FELV over there.  
Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic stuff to this list!



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Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma

Yes, the concern of infecting your current kitties is always there.  I know, as 
I brought a FeLV+ kitten into my household last June.  I decided to get all my 
adults vaccinated and to keep her.  I found out she was negative five months 
later when she got the IFA test.
   
  Gina
  

C  J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thank you, it is not out of the question that I may take those kittens 
yet, but I have alot to think about first.  For one, at least those kittens 
have a home.  It may not be the best home in the world, but at least they have 
a mom, food, and shelter, and it sounds like the mom has hidden them from the 
dog.  There are literally hundreds or more of cats/kittens around here that 
don't even have that, and are doomed right from the start.
   
  I would really like to get my two remaining cats retested for FeLV as well.  
I'm not sure how long I need to wait on that.  They tested negative in March, 
but still may have gotten the virus over the last few months.  I would feel 
very badly indeed if I brought kittens into the house and infected them.
   
  Cassandra
- Original Message - 
  From: Gina WN 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 1:57 AM
  Subject: RE: Now i've got something of a dilemma
  

Cassandra,

I didn't see your other email saying you had decided not to take them in 
(before I emailed the one below.)  I understand your feelings and there will be 
those who need you out there when you are ready.  Take your time.

Take care,
Gina

Gina WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Hi Cassandra,

I am not trying to pressure you to keep the babies.  I understand the grief you 
are feeling over your other furbabies, as well as the practical aspects of 
taking them in.

But...how old are the babies?  Perhaps mama kitty would not abandon them while 
in your care.  But if she did, perhaps there is a way you can bottle feed them.

When we took in our two kittens (almost 15 years ago) they were seven days old. 
 I seem to recall them eating every two hours, then it tapered off each week 
until they were fully weaned at eight weeks of age.  At about the three week 
mark, on advice from the vet, we slowly began to add a bit of wet kitten food 
to their formula in a bowl which they began to learn to lap up.  (Plus they 
still got the bottle.)  My memory is a little fuzzy after 14+ years. lol  But, 
at some point they started eating from a bowl and were no longer interested in 
the bottle.  I think at about eight weeks.

Anyhow, we got help from my sister who lived next door.  Is there someone who 
can help you feed the babies while you are at work?

By the way, our bottle babies are still with us.  Tigger and Taylor will be 15 
years old October 1st. :)

Gina

Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Cassandra --
   
  This is a toughie, obviously, and I have no practical advice to give, never 
having had young kittens.  But if you can make this work it sounds like a 
chance for you and your husband (who sounds like a total keeper, BTW!!) to 
continue the good work you started with your angel kitties.  These new ones 
wouldn't be *replacing* the three you lost, BTW, don't think of it that way.  
Entertain the possibility that Tomi, Kisa and Koda have something to do with 
finding these new babies to save.
   
  This must be so frustrating -- time isn't on your side here, you obviously 
can't wait till the kits' feeding schedule is less intense, or they could come 
to harm, but at the same time, sometimes mom cats do extreme things when they 
think they and their kits are in harm's way, which she might if they're 
captured.  Is there anyone who could come in for a while and feed the kittens 
during the day until their feeding schedules are less intense? Or is there 
maybe a foster person who would give you liberal visitation rights until the 
kittens are older.  It also seems to me that the momcat might be more tameable 
if the kits weren't an issue, so again, bad timing.  Is there a way you could 
trap them and watch carefully for a while to see what her instincts seem to be 
when confined?  Maybe if she/they were confined outside, rather than go right 
from barn to house, it would be less of a shock?  (I'm just throwing this stuff 
out as it occurs to me, sorry!  Hope some of it is
 relevant!)
   
  Diane R.
   

-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C  J
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma


  
  What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may not 
even want to live with us.  If she abandons her babies by being moved here (I 
would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I don't 
know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work mon-fri, 8 
hours a day.  We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of the city.  It 
is possible to

RE: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

You're a good mom Caroline!!
   
  You made me laugh out loud with your description of feeling weak-kneed.
   
  :) Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I talked to Dr. Susan Maier (holistic) yesterday.  I was having a lot of 
trouble myself remaining positive and I was doing a lot of crying this week 
about Monkee's anemia situation.  She said that Monkee's has a really strong 
life-force and he looks really good and I need to stay positive because the 
blood transfusion will buy more time for her remedies to work.  I asked about 
reversal of the anemia and asked her to look at the records of the blood 
results from his CBC on Tuesday at Dr. Daley's.  I asked if she could tell if 
he had regenerative or nonregenerative anemia based on those.  She said his 
regenerative values were all within the normal limits, but that no, she 
couldn't tell from the blood results.  However, she told me if the anemia is 
brought on by the chemo, it's usually regenerative (and can thus be reversed); 
if the anemia is brought on by his actual Feline Leukemia, it's usually 
nonregenerative (and usually irreversible).  I said, I guess that is why
 Dr. Daley talked about doing the bone marrow biopsy, because that would be the 
only way to really examine the marrow and be able to tell what is going on with 
the RBC, right?  Dr. Maier said yes.  I said, of course, we aren't doing a bone 
marrow biopsy, but now I FINALLY have a better understanding of what is going 
on.  I know Dr. Daley is a good Vet, she's just so clinical, and 
soo cerebral that I don't think she explains things the way I need 
things explained to me.  And it's not that I am dumb, it's just that this is my 
first FelV+ cat- and unlike her, I haven't been through this (sadly) a million 
times with other FelV+ cats.  Also, when I am sitting there crying my eyes out 
at what she is saying to me, I really need her to slow down and talk to me like 
I am a dumb baby!  So, I am kind of having an issue with that right now.  Dr. 
Maier said that I can call her anytime to bounce ideas off of her or ask for 
clarification about something so I thought
 that was very refreshing.  
  I have also put a call into Monkee's original Vet, Dr. Jones at the Cat 
Clinic of Louisville- for him to call me to discuss us returning to him for 
primary care since Monkee's main problem now is anemia and not cancer.  I 
haven't heard from him yet.  But his office is only 5 minutes away, so the 
stress on Monkee is decreased.  Plus, he only treats cats and so the stress of 
the sound of dogs barking is also eliminated for Monkee.  Dr. Jones just has a 
really good bedside manner that I think Monkee and I both really need right 
now.  
  Dr. Maier suggested that I feed Monkee raw, lean hamburger meat and chicken 
livers to help his anemia.  I was shocked because I am a vegetarian so I NEVER 
buy meat, much less handle it, but I had to suppress my disgust and do it for 
Monkee.  Our first foray into this realm was traumatic- for me.  The chicken 
livers really freaked me out.  When I was cutting them up the first time, my 
legs got weak and my knees felt like they might buckle, but Monkee was sitting 
on the floor looking up at me licking his chops, so I had to pull through, so 
as not to faint and fall on top of him  Needless to say, he 
LOVES it!  I think I gave him too much last 
night- probably because I was losing my mind while cutting everything up- and I 
was worried that I overdid it and he couldn't eat it all, but he cleared his 
plate!  The same this morning.  It's hilarious to watch him eat the livers 
because, even though I have been coating the place with paper towels,
 he will pick up a piece and shake his head around to help break it up (like a 
dog) and he so he gets blood and liver juice (yuck) everywhere!  I swear he's 
doing it just to freak me out!  But he is so happy getting raw food, I think 
that, in and of itself, is going to increase his life force ten-fold!
  



  

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From:  wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date:  Fri, 29 Jun 2007 07:46:49 -0700 (PDT)
Hi Belinda,

In response to your post below, I felt the need to
clarify for Caroline's sake.  Bailey's situation
should be considered a miracle in my book.  As we have
seen too many times here, most cats do not respond as
Bailey did with that type of anemia; it claims the
lives of many.  While I do not wish to play a part in
taking away Caroline's hope, I also want to be
completely upfront about non-regenerative anemia.  It
can be reversed, but not usually.  I should have made
this statement earlier.  So That being said, it may be
wise to keep her kitty on Epogen considering Bailey's
case, as we never know when a situation might be
reversed.

Respectfully,
Wendy

--- Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

Great idea about the binder!
   
  Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Monkee's HCT was 13% two weeks ago (when we first went to the Vet 
because I knew something was wrong).  That was on a Tuesday.  They gave him .3 
of Epogen and sent me home with a tiny bottle to give him sub-cu injections of 
Epogen that Thurs, and Sat.  They increased his predisone (which was 5 mg- I 
think?  the little, small pills), every other day, to one every day; his Vet 
also added the appetite stimulant, 1/2 a pill twice a day.  We did the week of 
Epogen, went back this Tues. and that is when his HCT count was 10% and his Vet 
told us the options (marrow biopsy, transfusion, etc).  We did the blood 
transfusion on Wed. and they said after it, his count was up to 15%.  The 
instructions were to just continue the pred and the appetite stim.  Nothing was 
said about the Interferon or Epogen and I was too out of it to ask because I 
was so shocked by the bill from the transfusion (and all I could think was that 
we can't afford another one).
  He was, what I call Super Monkee (it speaks for itself) on Wed., after the 
transfusion.  But since then, he's gone down a little bit (not with eating 
though); but he's defintely less Super Monkee, and he's less bright-eyed.  But 
he is still sleeping better- actual sound sleeping, as opposed to the just 
laying there and staring into space sleeping.   
  I have printed your emails and I filed them in Monkee's Care Binder- that I 
have organized with ALL his information and it has dividers and everything.  I 
am going to ask questions from the emails when a Vet ever calls me back!  But I 
decided I need to bring some MAJOR organization to caring for Monkee if I want 
to do this right, hence the binder!  I highly suggest this to anyone who isn't 
already doing something similar.  I take The Monkee Binder with me everywhere.  
  -Caroline 



  

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From:  Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:  felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:  Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date:  Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:22:31 -0700
PS.  If it were me I would either find a vet who knows how to work 
with epogen or ask your vet to research it, or take research you've 
done to him and ask him to work with you.  Along with the epogen a 
cat should be getting blood builders, nutrived is a good source for 
this.  It has the iron, vitamin b needed to build blood.  Fred's HCT 
got as low as 24% and the nutrived got him back up to 30%.  Nutrived 
wouldn't be enough for a cat with an HCT of 18% or less.  I can't 
remember what is Monkee's HCT?

PS.  Bailey had the bone marrow aspirate and that is why we very 
strongly suspected cancer somewhere.  He had Myloid Dysplastic 
(basically there were pre-cancerous cells there).  We did every test 
we could think of and couldn't find the cancer, even after we got 
his HCT to normal, he had no energy and wouldn't eat.   He succumbed 
to pancreatic cancer which we found after he passed with a necropsy. 
  I suspected his pancreas was involved because he always was 
uncomfortable when I fed him through his feeding tube.  He was on 
high doses of prednisolone and was getting doxy just incase his 
hemobartonella test was a false negative.  The pred and the epo are 
what got his HCT back to normal and stopped the bone marrow 
surpression by the virus.

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Re: Pictures and a question ~ marylyn

No they aren't dumb.  Forgive the spelling but AIHA is Autoimmune Hemophilic 
Anemia.  Mai Mai had it and alternative vet meds helped a lot including 
acupuncture, homeopathy etc.  The steroids that helped save/extend her life 
were making her miserable.  This type medicine helped decrease the amount we 
gave her and improved the quality of her life.  Additionally, to help build up 
her blood (country terms) I gave her a lot of liver.  I cooked a lot at a time, 
ground it and froze it in muffin pans, pop them out,  bag them and have them 
ready.  As I've mentioned before, I am vegetarian and fixing this stuff is 
difficult so I make pretty large quantities at a time.  It really seemed to 
help.  Differences:  This was about 10 years ago and Mai Mai was a dog, the 
most wonderful Portland Purebreed in the world.  I don't know if there is 
anything here anyone can use but I am putting it on the table. 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 10:32 PM
  Subject: Re: Pictures and a question ~ marylyn



  Hope these aren't dumb questions..what is a liver pop and what is AIHA, 
please?
  thanks,
  Laurie (dealing with high fever, anemia and low WBC).
   
On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with 
the addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I have 
to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops

Re: Birds, also, feliway....

The Royal Princess Kitty Katt (obviously a calico) left this world a little 
over a year ago.  She never got over being catnapped but we reached an 
agreement in sorts.  Even when I moved back to the country with her she held it 
against me.  I would put her on the bed beside me.  She would beat me (in this 
case thank Goodness she didn't have her claws), march to the foot of the bed, 
lay there for a few minutes, march back to the head of the bed and beat me some 
more.  Later she would be snuggled in my arms giving me Kitty kisses or leading 
me to the living room where she very plainly wanted me to lay on the floor with 
her for a while.  I really miss her.

When they leave it is like loosing a part of the person they chose to live with 
again.  I can see Kitty sitting next to Daddy in his recliner.  He would try to 
read the paper which was a sure sign Kitty would be there in a minute.  He had 
cancer and heart problems etc.  Even at his frailest he would lay on the floor 
and talk to her under the couch.   

I am sorry your Dad's cat left but know that they are together and very 
happy.and watching after you.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:32 AM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway


  I just bought a bunch of Feliway at Revival and it's got the best prices.  
Petco will set you back bigtime.


  You are something, Marilyn.  You do so much for little Royal Princess Kitty 
Kat!  My dad's cat (he passed away eight years ago) just passed away himself, 
of kidney failure.  He was up there in age, but still, it was a shock, 
especially to my mom, to have him go, poor beautiful long-haired black dear 
kitty.  But he missed my dad so.  He cried every night in Dad's home office 
hoping he'd return and here's the cool thing:  when I moved in with my mom 
1-1/2 years ago he stopped crying.  I was just enough of my dad to make him 
feel much better.




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   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.




  On Jun 30, 2007, at 10:14 PM, Marylyn wrote:


It has to be their idea.  I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not 
house cats as we normally think about them.  They are very self sufficient and, 
when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or 
purrs, you know it is genuine.

I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get.  And it has worked 
with several cats.  My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I 
really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt 
to come out without Feliway.  She chose to move in with my parents and was my 
father's cat until he left this world.  Then her whole world turned on end and 
she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person).  
I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took 
her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville.  Finally Mom decided she 
couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me.  This was no 
where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell.  She lost her 
job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with 
electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas 
heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the 
door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace 
the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that.  I 
slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to 
come out.  The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I 
was asleep and things worked out from there. 

The price has really come down.  I don't know if you have checked lately 
but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap.  It makes 
you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones.






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message -
  From: Susan Dubose
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Birds, also,

Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth

2007-07-02 Thread elizabeth trent


I've been on this list a year -- this is the first I've heard of there being
a separate list.  Still don't know the name or location.  I went back to the
email sent to me by the list when I joined and there is no mention of
anything like that.  Throughout my year on the list, if someone had
something off-topic they would put OT in the subject line just as you
did.

My heart is with you and your baby, Taylor.  That is so hard.

elizabeth

On 7/2/07, Taylor Scobie Humphrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


What on earth is going on?  Sometimes people chit chat to relieve
anxiety.  For instance, my kitty is FeLV+ AND haas mediastinal lymphoma.
Plus I have the requisite pile of other things going on in my life, just
like everyone does, not all of which are just hunky-dory, believe me.

So if I've been chit chatting, it's to relieve anxiety linked to having a
little one who was just one year old YESTERDAY who has been ill for three
months out of his tiny life already with these two feline scourges.



 Consciousness is Causal
 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation.


 On Jul 1, 2007, at 4:17 PM, laurieskatz wrote:

 Please don't leave
Laurie

- Original Message -
*From:* elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Sent:* Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: OT list


well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the
list.  i'm not going to another list.

elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti


On 7/1/07, MaryChristine  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so
 that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and
 to return to specific things relating to FELV.

 most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts,
 because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people
 who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the
 topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this
 isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm.




 Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member!

 This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things.

 Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not
 moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on
 the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the
 real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic
 stuff to this list!


 --

 Spay  Neuter Your Neighbors!
 Maybe That'll Make The Difference

 MaryChristine

 AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
 MSN:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ICQ: 289856892

Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

I'm glad you made contact with Susan.  Now, let me try to help with the 
vegetarian thing.  Get a food processor...even a small, two cup Black and 
Decker (usually on sale at Kohl's or one of the superstores).  Get small muffin 
pans or large ice cube trays.  Buy lots of the chicken and liver...enough for a 
week or so.  This is easier to deal with once a week or every two weeks than 
every day.  Cut up what you need (the food processor will let you minimize 
handling the stuff).  Coat whatever you are going to freeze the stuff with 
olive oil (I've stopped using the Pam type sprays because I'm not really sure 
what is in them and I do know with olive oil).  Put the stuff from the blender 
into the pans and freeze them, pop the stuff out into Ziploc bags and remove as 
needed.   To clean the processor put soap in it and let water run over it until 
most of the stuff is washed off.  You may need to get a little hair strainer 
for the kitchen sink (Wal-Mart, Meijer etc in plumbing).  They run about 2 
dollars and will catch all the little pieces of food.  Emptying it is a breeze. 
 Turn it upside down over a bowl or cup and pour water thru it.  Again, it 
minimizes contact.  I know this is very elementary but, having been there with 
no guidance, here it is.  Please don't think I am talking down to you.  

Susan is a licensed vet and can provide your regular/primary vet care.  I don't 
know if she mentioned that or not but she does a very good job and might be 
able to help you avoid the pitfalls of over vaccination etc.  Her practice 
includes acupuncture, homeopathic remedies etc.  I think I sent you her 
website.  I don't know Dr. Jones but do know that a lot of vets are not happy 
sharing a patient with a holistic vet.  I'm lucky with the vets at MAC.  My 
suggestion would be to try her for all your care.  Besides (and please don't 
tell her I told you this) in an emergency she has been known to make house 
calls.  Ask Susan about remedies to lessen stress from car rides too.  

Again, she may not have told you this, but she and the techs there have had 
really good luck with a pretty big number of FeLV+ cats.  

Good luck.

You might ask Susan about adding chopped spinach and other iron/vitamin rich 
foods to Monkee's new diet.  Dixie loves them...same processor makes them 
very digestible for a cat.  Again, ask Dixie.  Also ask Susan about Primal Raw 
since I doubt you are feeding only hamburger and livers.  Metzger's (You almost 
run into the place.  It is on the other side of the stop light at Shelbyville 
Rd and Veechdale (?---the road you turn onto when you get off 64 E) has it and 
it is wonderful.  It seems pricy but Dixie gets 2-3 cubes a day and the cost 
per usable food is less than FF.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gina WN 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:42 AM
  Subject: RE: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues


  You're a good mom Caroline!!

  You made me laugh out loud with your description of feeling weak-kneed.

  :) Gina

  Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I talked to Dr. Susan Maier (holistic) yesterday.  I was having a lot of 
trouble myself remaining positive and I was doing a lot of crying this week 
about Monkee's anemia situation.  She said that Monkee's has a really strong 
life-force and he looks really good and I need to stay positive because the 
blood transfusion will buy more time for her remedies to work.  I asked about 
reversal of the anemia and asked her to look at the records of the blood 
results from his CBC on Tuesday at Dr. Daley's.  I asked if she could tell if 
he had regenerative or nonregenerative anemia based on those.  She said his 
regenerative values were all within the normal limits, but that no, she 
couldn't tell from the blood results.  However, she told me if the anemia is 
brought on by the chemo, it's usually regenerative (and can thus be reversed); 
if the anemia is brought on by his actual Feline Leukemia, it's usually 
nonregenerative (and usually irreversible).  I said, I guess that is why Dr. 
Daley talked about doing the bone marrow biopsy, because that would be the only 
way to really examine the marrow and be able to tell what is going on with the 
RBC, right?  Dr. Maier said yes.  I said, of course, we aren't doing a bone 
marrow biopsy, but now I FINALLY have a better understanding of what is going 
on.  I know Dr. Daley is a good Vet, she's just so clinical, and 
soo cerebral that I don't think she explains things the way I need 
things explained to me.  And

Re: Anemia Issues

OK:  Here is more information to take or leave as you chose.

Dr. Daley is a very good vet and so are the people who work there.  That being 
said, they are specialists and have trouble seeing beyond the science into the 
whole.  The Royal Princess Kitty Katt had cancer that spread pretty rapidly.  
One of the doctors who works there saw her several times (she hated the place 
too and he would not let me be with her when they drew blood etc) and wanted to 
put her on chemo.  He gave her a couple of months at the outside if she didn't 
get it.  I went to my vets at MAC and we had a long conversation.  Kitty did 
not get chemo and she had 14 months of very high quality life until she left 
this world on her own.  She, too, hated car rides (especially after a school 
bus driver plowed into her side of the Jeep) and vets.  Dr. Kohler and I spent 
a long time talking about the ups, downs, rights, wrongs etc and, as I said 
before, decided against chemo and to let Kitty leave this world on her own if 
she wanted to.  I have never regretted either decision. 

Watch that carrier trick.  He could try that in a parking lot and you would 
have big trouble.  There are other places to get blood transfusions if you 
don't feel comfortable at Dr. Daley's.  They are very good at what they do and 
I would certainly go back there for treatment if the situation called for it 
but, like all of us, they have their focuses.  




 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Anemia Issues 


  Hi Caroline,

  It sounds like you're doing everything you can.  I'm sure by now someone has 
mentioned taking doxy in case it's hemobartonella.  If it's not hemobart the 
anemia is hard to beat, but there are people on the list who have bought 'good' 
time for their cats with various methods.  13 pounds is a good weight, and his 
behavior sounds good too.  I hope the best for Monkee.
  tonya

  Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV pos. and 
lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the 
Epogen had helped his anemia.  The news was very bad.  Apparently last week, 
when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week ( 3 
doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%.  However, Monkee's 
White Blood Cell count is normal (it was down last week) and his lymphocyte 
count is normal.  Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his groin that is 
enlarged (but it can't be felt from the outside- it runs along the artery in 
the leg).  His Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem, or it could 
be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she honestly doubted it 
was the cancer.  She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to 
determine what is going on at the cellular level; however, it is invasive and 
Monkee would need sedation- which he couldn't get anyway while so anemic (so 
he'd need a blood transfusion 1st, just to be able to do the biospy);  However, 
the biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us it's FeLV causing the 
anemia; (2) a blood transfusion to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try 
another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is being caused by 
lymphosarcoma, although, as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a 
shot in the dark. 
My mother and I did not want to put this cat through chemo again (although 
he did very well with the first round).  But now that he is actively anemic, 
there was no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr. Daley really didn't 
think the chemo would actually help the situation.  We also didn't want to put 
him through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell us what we already 
know, but don't want to admit.that for four years, I had the healthiest, 
beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered from a urinary 
tract infection; who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time this 
summer for FeLV because I was sure he didn't have it..To now, out of nowhere, 
in a span of 2 months, we have gone from that, to a severely anemic, suffering, 
FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma.  
Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and I were not prepared to 
hear at all.  I mean, he is eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick 
(he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is helping him now).  Yes, 
he's not Monkee as I have known him, but he just doesn't look to me like he's 
on his last leg.  When we

Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident to my hubby..it is long...sorry!

2007-07-02 Thread Gloria Lane

Terri, just going back and reading some of the messages I've missed.   
Sure sorry to hear about your husband, and hope all is going well.   
Thoughts and prayers coming for you.


Gloria


On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

(I want apologized if you have already seen this from other groups  
I'm on)


Hello all,
I wanted to make everyone aware or least be alert of what can  
happen when you get behind brush mowers whether it's up close or at  
a distance.

It is very dangerous.

Yesterday, my husband was about 20 feet behind a tractor that had a  
brush mower on it which was operated by his friend. My husband was  
looking for items that may have been sticking out of the ground  
that the mower didn't get.


Anyway, a huge rock flew out from the mower and my husband said he  
seen it at the corner of his eye. By then it was too late. The rock  
hit him on his right arm below the elbow and broke his arm in two  
places. I had to call 911 for help he was bleeding and going into  
shock. He was taken to the hospital and had x-rays done on him. The  
time was around noontime that this happened.


My Dr. was on call who is a orthopedic surgeon had to do emergency  
surgery on him.
I have a lot of faith in him as he done my knee replacements and  
other bone surgeries.
One of the bones is shattered in my husband's arm and he said it  
look like a gunshot wound. He was taken into surgery about 5 pm was  
returned back to his room about 9:15 pm last night.
The Dr. told me he was bad that he could lose his arm especially  
below the elbow.
He has muscle and tissue damage. Many fragments of the bone was  
floating in his arm.

Did what he could do for him at this point.
Only time will tell.

Since, my husband is a Diabetic and has HEP C from tainted blood in  
the 60's from a blood transfusion he is considered high risk. He  
has a tube in him that they call a Vacu this is to suck all the  
infection and excess blood from the area. He is also on two  
different IV lines for the loss of blood and for antibiotics. He is  
being monitored closely.

I did noticed his blood pressure was high.
So he will be in the hospital for at least some time.
He will be taken back into surgery tomorrow to check out more of  
the damage and try to repair more of his arm.


By the way my husband is right handed this is the arm that got  
injured.


Some of you already know he just had two recent right shoulder  
surgeries on the same arm. He was supposed to return back to work  
for light duty on the 19th of this month.
Believe it or not he was looking forward going back to work after  
being off for almost a year.

Now that this has happened I don't know what we are going to do.

Please pray and hope he doesn't lose part of his arm.
That he makes full recovery.

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Re: To Taylor: Re: Anemia Issues

Taylor,
Make sure and read Caroline's post on feeding raw chicken livers and lean 
hamburger to Monkee.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Taylor Scobie Humphrey 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 2:01 AM
  Subject: Re: To Caroline: Re: Anemia Issues 


  Caroline, I'm in the same boat with my little Sammy.  He and his two brothers 
(triplets--I raised 'em from infancy with no catmommy so they are my tiny 
kidlets--who knew they'd be cats!?) were negative for FeLV and then at nine 
months Sammy had really alarming big swollen glands like--poof!--one morning 
and after tests found out on Monday that my tough little character was FeLV+ 
and on Tuesday that he had lymphoma.  Tears, tears.  He has gone out of 
remission after nearly three very good months and now he's got at most two 
months with a new chemotherapy protocol and I am trying not to lose it here.  
At least thank God he will see his first birthday and that of his sibbies.  So 
far his sibbies remain FeLV- and I just don't know how they will be without 
their sib in a few months.  Or how I will be, for that matter.  I'm a wreck 
already, of course.


  Thinking of you, your mom and your darling Monkee, 


  Taylor and the 3 Orange Boyz (my babies)




  Consciousness is Causal 
   and Physicality is its
   Manifestation.




  On Jun 28, 2007, at 12:06 PM, wendy wrote:


P.S. Chemo can cause anemia.  I don't know if I
mentioned this or not.


:)
Wendy


--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:




-


Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update on my FeLV
pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He saw his Vet
yesterday to determine whether the Epogen had helped
his anemia.  The news was very bad.  Apparently last
week, when the anemia started, his Red Blood cell
count was 13%.  After a week ( 3 doses of the
Epogen), his RBC count was actually worse, 10%. 
However, Monkee’s White Blood Cell count is normal (it
was down last week) and his lymphocyte count is
normal.  Dr. Daley also found a lymph node in his
groin that is enlarged (but it can’t be felt from the
outside- it runs along the artery in the leg).  His
Vet said she thinks the FeLV is causing the problem,
or it could be the lymphosarcoma, but when pressed,
she said that she honestly doubted it was the cancer. 
She presented 3 options: (1) a bone marrow
aspirate/biopsy to determine what is going on at the
cellular level; however, it is invasive and Monkee
would need sedation- which he couldn’t get anyway
while so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st,
just to be able to do the biospy);  However, the
biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us
it’s FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood transfusion
to literally buy me more time with him; (3) try
another dose of chemo in hopes that the anemia is
being caused by lymphosarcoma, although, as I said
previously, she doubted it and that was a shot in the
dark. 


My mother and I did not want to put this cat through
chemo again (although he did very well with the first
round).  But now that he is actively anemic, there was
no way I would do it, especially knowing that Dr.
Daley really didn’t think the chemo would actually
help the situation.  We also didn’t want to put him
through a bone marrow biopsy that would probably tell
us what we already know, but don’t want to admit…that
for four years, I had the healthiest, beefiest,
toughest cat in the world, who never even suffered
from a urinary tract infection; who was so healthy, I
wanted to test him a 3rd time this summer for FeLV
because I was sure he didn’t have it….To now, out of
nowhere, in a span of 2 months, we have gone from
that, to a severely anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with
lymphosarcoma.  


Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and I
were not prepared to hear at all.  I mean, he is
eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick
(he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that is
helping him now).  Yes, he’s not “Monkee” as I have
known him, but he just doesn’t look to me like he’s on
his last leg.  When we questioned her on the “days”
prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV virus,
and the anemia, his body is not making RBC and his
brain is not getting enough oxygen and although he
seems okay now, he is dizzy, lightheaded, probably
having vertigo, and

Re: goodbye

2007-07-02 Thread Kerry Roach

I know I haven't been on here much in awhile so I don't really know what is 
going on at this point..But if it weren't for the people on this list Bandy and 
I would'nt have made it as far as we did.  I agree that this list should be for 
the purpose of us sharing our knowledge about what we have each been through 
with our Felv, fip, and fiv kitties...Each and everyone of us get a different 
response with our kitties but with all the knowledge on this list, it gives us 
much more hope and many more things to try for our kitties.. I have been on 
many other lists while Bandy was with me, but I learned more right here than 
anywhere else...the people on this list are more caring and pull together when 
needed..It, to me, has been like one big family so I really hope it will stay 
that way..I try to read when I can.  I hope all the group will stay as I have 
known it since 2005.  I will always be available to help when I can..
  Kerry, Angel Bandy, Angel Buster, Angel Lil Rascal, Angel Alberta, Angel 
Albert, Angel Striper, Angel Snoopy, and Inky and all the young ones..too many 
to list.

   
-
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OT: RE: Melissa

2007-07-02 Thread Melissa Lind

Thanks Cassandra--I've been playing catch up on the list--been gone since
last Wed. Wow--we've had some sparks flying. I hope everyone is able to
resolve these issues and move forward with our real concerns. Fighting is
fine if we don't hold grudges. 
 
Anyway, Cassandra--what did you end up deciding about the kitties in the
barn? 
 
Melissa

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of catatonya
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 11:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Melissa


I'm so sorry about what happened with the kitten.  You did what you could.
Sometimes we have to take others at their word when they promise to do the
right thing.  I'm sorry these people didn't. :(
tonya

Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Cassandra,
 
I hate to sound mushy or superstitious or anything weird, but it seems to me
that Koda, Kisa, and Tomi are sending some new babies in need to you. They
know how big of a heart you have and how you made their lives so wonderful.
Yes, it would be a tremendous amount of work, but it would also keep your
mind off your grief if you have new responsibilities that take up all your
time. You could even dedicate your work with the new kittens to the memory
of your lost babies. 
 
Of course, only take what you can handle-you can always say no. But since
you're already working out in your mind how you would handle the situation,
I think you somehow really want to do this-maybe you and your husband need
them as much as they need you.
 
As for barn cats, I am continually disgusted by the way people treat their
cats around here (Nebraska). If you remember my situation last week with the
baby kitty whose mama died in the trunk (while baby survived), I was
debating taking the kitten myself or finding a home for him. Well, the
husband was taking care of the baby, but I learned yesterday that the baby
didn't make it. From what I've gathered, their idea of taking care of the
kitty was much different from mine. They let him get soaked in the rain and
didn't even bring him inside. I have been so sad yesterday and today
thinking about what I could have done. I meant to post an update on the
little guy, but I didn't have the heart yesterday. I offered to take the
kitten-I told the lady (co-worker) that there were many people who offered
to help, but she assured me that her husband was tending to it. I should
have pushed the issue more. I should have stuck up for what is right. I'm so
upset that this little guy had to suffer through his mother's death only to
be neglected and die alone. Some days I can't bear the insensitivity and
barbarism here.
 
Sorry Cassandra I kind of took over with my own story here! The thought of
the barn kitties just made me think of this recent situation. I hope you
find some sort of solution, and I'm still keeping you two in my prayers as
you grieve your fur babies.
 
Melissa
 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C  J
Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 7:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Now i've got something of a dilemma
 
What worries me, is this mom is used to farm life, and for starters, may not
even want to live with us.  If she abandons her babies by being moved here
(I would lock her in a room with them, but she still could abandon them), I
don't know that I am able to feed the babies, both my husband and I work
mon-fri, 8 hours a day.  We live 20-25 min drive away from work outside of
the city.  It is possible to come home at lunch time, but that gives us only
10-15 mins to feed the babies.
 
How often do babies need to eat?  Isn't it every couple of hours?  And how
long do they need to eat that frequently.  I could probably take a few days
off work to look after them, but do they need to eat that frequently for a
whole 4 weeks?  I really know nothing about looking after baby kittens.
 
I just don't want to do more harm than good here.
 
Cassandra

Re: Immunity to FeLV?

2007-07-02 Thread Belinda



   No I wouldn't see it as a sign of FIP, Bailey had this too (from his 
mouth also), my vet said it was just body fluids coming out, he was laid 
out for his house mates to say goodbye and know why he wouldn't be with 
us anymore.  None of my cats test positive for coronavirus, which my vet 
said was lucky and unusual for a multi cat household.
A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that 
started coming out of his nose.  Is this a sign he may have had FIP?


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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-02 Thread Belinda


  Dede,
  I'm sorry Ki didn't make it, I was hoping he could pull through. He 
is with you always in your heart and special memories ... so much 
sadness lately.


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Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs

2007-07-02 Thread Belinda

 When I tried the interferon with Bailey we were doing the 7 day on, 7 
day off, this was many years ago before they switched to the daily 
option.  He was lethargic on the 7 days he got it.  I did stop it 
because he was healthy with no symptoms and I didn't see any reason to 
make 7 days worse for him.  It helps most kitties but it didn't help 
Bailey any that I could see.


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Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

Marylyn- thanks for the good advice. These are things we will work on trying this week. I do need to start Monkee on an organic cat food. I've just been feeding him "Brandon Farms" organic that I found at Kroger this past week. I have been short on cash since the blood transfusion, so I had to carefully choose some of my purchases for him. He had a bad day on Saturday and it really got me down. Since he was "down," it made me depressed and I couldn't really do anything. But on Sunday, Monkee had a really "good" day! He was so bright in the eyes and really active and talkative. We went outside (he no longer needs his harness and leash because he moves slow and stays with me). So, in turn, on Sun. I had a good day. I just thought it was odd that he'd have a bad day on Sat. and then go up so drastically the next day? 

I am REALLY frustrated with Monkee's doctors. I put a call into Dr. Daley on THURSDAY of last week to ask if I should re-start him on Interferon on Friday. SHE NEVER CALLED ME BACK. IT'S MONDAY AND I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER. I find that unacceptable. All I needed was a call to be returned by a tech/receptionist answering my simple question that they should have printed off in the care instructions on Wednesday to begin with! I had also called Monkee's original vet, Dr. Jones, on Thursday and finally heard from him on Friday at 5:30. He was kind of stand-offish and said he didn't want to "change anything" we were doing for Monkee yet (I asked about giving Epogen another shot) and he said he wanted to talk to Dr. Daley first. He also said Daley's office hadn't sent them any records since 6/22- which was before the transfusion- which 
quadrupely upsets me b/c if Monkee has an emergency and crashes or something, I am taking him DOWN THE ROAD- 5 mins away- to Dr. Jones, not 25 mins away to Daley's!!! I talked to him about Monkee coming back to him for primary care since it looks like we aren't treating him primarily for his cancer anymore. He said I needed to follow-up with Daley first and asked if Monkee had an appointment set. I said "no." Basically, Daley did the transfusion on Wed. and then it was like, okay, bye. No follow-up was set. They just left me with the news that Monkee would feel good for "about a week." 
I don't want to be "one of those people" that rants and raves about my vet (especially since my dad was a Vet and I hated those people), but I have to think that, if this were me and my medical doctors, would I be mad? And the answer is yes. I have my own autoimmune disorder (ulcerative colitis), so I have been through the ringer with doctors myself and in the past, when I was being treated this way, or my ?'s and concerns weren't being addressed or I was being kept on a medication that wasn't helping me..., I left and got a new doctor. I don't want to be this way, but I am just SO frustrated. I feel like Vets have gotten past how they used to be where when you had a FelV pos. cat they would say, let's just put it to sleep; to now where they realize they can do a lot to help a cat like that live normally for a while and it's no longer a death sentence. 
But I feel like, now that Monkee has active Fel Leuk and cancer, he's being written off. Like all the vets did was move the death sentence a few years down the road to once the Fel Leuk sets in. And my biggest hang-up with that is that I refuse to put a cat to sleep, even if we are fighting a losing battle, who looks good, is not in pain (yet), makes it to the litter box fine, eats like a pig and is generally enjoying himself (especially his chicken livers), even if he is "down" a few notches And I just want a Vet to agree with me on that and then WORK WITH ME! Try more things, etc! I have put 4 "normal" cats to sleep (babies born when I was 10 and hand-raised), the last of which was and my "favorite" of the litter and he we put him down back in Oct. when he was 19 years old! So, I know what a suffering, sick cat looks like and I have seen that 
look in their eye when they are "gone" and IT IS TIME. But we aren't there with Monkee yet, so I just don't understand why I can't get anyone other than Dr. Maier (and you guys)- to pay attention to us!So, there's my rant. -Caroline 


From: "Marylyn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia IssuesDate: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 06:30:31 -0500



I'm glad you made contact with Susan. Now, let me try to help with the vegetarian thing. Get a food processor...even a small, two cup Black and Decker (usually on sale at Kohl's or one of the superstores). Get small muffin pans or large ice cube trays. Buy lots of the chicken and liver...enough for a week or so. This is easier to deal with once a week or every two weeks than every day. Cut up what you need (the food processor will let you minimize handling the stuff). Coat whatever you are going to freeze the stuff with olive oil (I've stopped using the Pam

Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident

2007-07-02 Thread TatorBunz

 
 
Thanks Gloria!
I also want to thank everyone else as well for your nice  thoughts and 
prayers.
 
He is doing well and the Dr. is confident that his arm will  heal as long as 
he listens.
The most important thing is to use his fingers and move his arm  up  around.
The skin graft took and his surgical area looks  great.
He will be getting a cast on Thursday.
Will return back to work in 2 weeks from  today.
 
Thanks again everyone!
 
In a message dated 7/2/2007 7:24:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Terri,  just going back and reading some of the messages I've missed.  Sure 
sorry  to hear about your husband, and hope all is going well.  Thoughts and  
prayers coming for you.  


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Re: OT: Regarding a freak accident

2007-07-02 Thread elizabeth trent


That's GREAT news!
elizabeth


On 7/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


  *Thanks Gloria!*
*I also want to thank everyone else as well for your nice thoughts and
prayers.*

*He is doing well and the Dr. is confident that his arm will heal as long
as he listens.*
*The most important thing is to use his fingers and move his arm up 
around.*
*The skin graft took and his surgical area looks great.*
*He will be getting a cast on Thursday.*
*Will return back to work in 2 weeks from today.*
**
*Thanks again everyone!*

In a message dated 7/2/2007 7:24:37 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Terri, just going back and reading some of the messages I've missed.  Sure
sorry to hear about your husband, and hope all is going well.  Thoughts and
prayers coming for you.

Gloria

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Marylyn, question

2007-07-02 Thread Jane Lyons


Marylyn where do you buy Just Born and Brush Away?

thanks very much
Jane

To Laurie re hemobart

Hey Laurie,

The reason vets like to treat for hemobart without the
test is that the hemobart tends to hide itself on the
slides.  It's very hard to diagnose.  I think it's
possible that my cat Cricket died of hemobart b/c I
knew nothing about it and none of the three vets that
saw him suggested doxy or hemobart.  He died from
anemia.  

Hemobart can be seen on a slide, but it's hit or miss.
 The blood must be fresh when tested so they can see
the organisms attached to the blood cells.  Even then,
one minute they might show up, the next, they aren't
there.  So there's a real danger in thinking she
doesn't have it after testing negative, when she does.
 Good luck Laurie.  I hope you guys are able to turn
her around.

:)
Wendy

--- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello Sally, did the Baytril improve the anemia? I
 am trying to figure it out...does this mean there
 was an infection that the baytril effectively
 treated and the infection caused the anemia? Were
 there other symptoms?
 
 Did IR take care of the fevers?
 
 We are dealing with fever, anemia and low white
 blood count...my vet and I are going to talk
 tomorrow about what to do to treat the anemia. 
 I was thinking of having Isabella tested for
 hemobart rather than just treating for it. He wanted
 to just treat with doxy but we used this for a
 kitten earlier this spring and I'd rather not use it
 unless we know she has hemobart. My vet is not
 supportive of using IR. His research shows nothing
 works for feline leukemiabut I believe he will
 support what we want to do (just doesn't want false
 hopes on my part ~ we've been through several
 mystery illnesses together).
 
 Thanks for any info,
 Laurie
 
  
 - Original Message - 
   From: Susan Dubose 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM
   Subject: Re: Pictures and a question
 
 
   Good for you, Sally, for following your instincts
 when it comes to your baby's care
 
   Lucky boy he is
 
 
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   www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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 lay in state,
  Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
  Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
   
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sally Davis 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:06 PM
 Subject: Re: Pictures and a question
 
 
 Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as
 a precaution with Baytril. The anemia did improve,
 but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit
 was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure
 how long I would have put him through it. I was and
 to certain extent am clueless. 
 
 My vet at that time was saying the with the
 fevers most likely being from the FELV it might be
 time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him
 back to the old vet and told him I wanted to do the
 IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good natured fellow who
 thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She
 has been very caring and did the IR protocol and we
 treated what came along. Junior is still with me 10
 months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde of
 this group.  
 
 sally
 
  
 On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote: 
   Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had
 AIHA and it improved with the addition of liver
 (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I
 have to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from
 liver pops 
 
 


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Re: To Laurie re hemobart

2007-07-02 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

How about PCR test?  Do you think false nagative is still common with Hemob PCR 
Test?
  - Original Message - 
  From: wendymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:14 AM
  Subject: To Laurie re hemobart

  Hey Laurie,

  The reason vets like to treat for hemobart without the
  test is that the hemobart tends to hide itself on the
  slides.  It's very hard to diagnose.  I think it's
  possible that my cat Cricket died of hemobart b/c I
  knew nothing about it and none of the three vets that
  saw him suggested doxy or hemobart.  He died from
  anemia.  

  Hemobart can be seen on a slide, but it's hit or miss.
   The blood must be fresh when tested so they can see
  the organisms attached to the blood cells.  Even then,
  one minute they might show up, the next, they aren't
  there.  So there's a real danger in thinking she
  doesn't have it after testing negative, when she does.
   Good luck Laurie.  I hope you guys are able to turn
  her around.

  :)
  Wendy

  --- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   Hello Sally, did the Baytril improve the anemia? I
   am trying to figure it out...does this mean there
   was an infection that the baytril effectively
   treated and the infection caused the anemia? Were
   there other symptoms?

   Did IR take care of the fevers?

   We are dealing with fever, anemia and low white
   blood count...my vet and I are going to talk
   tomorrow about what to do to treat the anemia. 
   I was thinking of having Isabella tested for
   hemobart rather than just treating for it. He wanted
   to just treat with doxy but we used this for a
   kitten earlier this spring and I'd rather not use it
   unless we know she has hemobart. My vet is not
   supportive of using IR. His research shows nothing
   works for feline leukemiabut I believe he will
   support what we want to do (just doesn't want false
   hopes on my part ~ we've been through several
   mystery illnesses together).

   Thanks for any info,
   Laurie

   - Original Message - 
 From: Susan Dubose 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Pictures and a question

 Good for you, Sally, for following your instincts
   when it comes to your baby's care

 Lucky boy he is

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.comhttp://www.petgirlspetsitting.com/
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.orghttp://www.tx.siameserescue.org/
 www.shadowcats.nethttp://www.shadowcats.net/
   As Cleopatra
   lay in state,
Faithful Bast
   at her side did wait,
Purring
   welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding
   with sharpened claws.

   Trajan Tennent

   - Original Message - 
   From: Sally Davis 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:06 PM
   Subject: Re: Pictures and a question

   Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as
   a precaution with Baytril. The anemia did improve,
   but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit
   was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure
   how long I would have put him through it. I was and
   to certain extent am clueless. 

   My vet at that time was saying the with the
   fevers most likely being from the FELV it might be
   time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him
   back to the old vet and told him I wanted to do the
   IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good natured fellow who
   thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She
   has been very caring and did the IR protocol and we
   treated what came along. Junior is still with me 10
   months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde of
   this group.  

   sally

   On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
   wrote: 
 Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had
   AIHA and it improved with the addition of liver
   (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments.  I
   have to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from
   liver pops 

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To Malone and Susan D.

Malone and Susan,

I apologize for not welcoming you guys to the group. 
I didn't get any intro posts for either of you, but
when I go into the archives, it looks like I am not
getting about 60% of the posts.  I need to email the
site administrator and ask why.  I am trying to catch
up in the archives.

Susan, I read several of your posts, but for some
reason, I thought you were the other Susan.  You
sounded like you'd been here forever!

So again, welcome to the group.  And please don't
hesitate to post anytime you need help or anything
else.

:)
Wendy

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Caroline,

   It sounds like you're doing everything you can. 
 I'm sure by now someone has mentioned taking doxy in
 case it's hemobartonella.  If it's not hemobart the
 anemia is hard to beat, but there are people on the
 list who have bought 'good' time for their cats with
 various methods.  13 pounds is a good weight, and
 his behavior sounds good too.  I hope the best for
 Monkee.
   tonya
 
 Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update
 on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He
 saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the
 Epogen had helped his anemia.  The news was very
 bad.  Apparently last week, when the anemia started,
 his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week ( 3
 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually
 worse, 10%.  However, Monkees White Blood Cell
 count is normal (it was down last week) and his
 lymphocyte count is normal.  Dr. Daley also found a
 lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it
 cant be felt from the outside- it runs along the
 artery in the leg).  His Vet said she thinks the
 FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the
 lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she
 honestly doubted it was the cancer.  She presented 3
 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to
 determine what is going on at the cellular level;
 however, it is invasive and Monkee would need
 sedation- which he couldnt get anyway while
  so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st,
 just to be able to do the biospy);  However, the
 biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us
 its FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood
 transfusion to literally buy me more time with him;
 (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the
 anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although,
 as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a
 shot in the dark. 
   My mother and I did not want to put this cat
 through chemo again (although he did very well with
 the first round).  But now that he is actively
 anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially
 knowing that Dr. Daley really didnt think the chemo
 would actually help the situation.  We also didnt
 want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that
 would probably tell us what we already know, but
 dont want to admitthat for four years, I had the
 healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who
 never even suffered from a urinary tract infection;
 who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time
 this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didnt
 have it.To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2
 months, we have gone from that, to a severely
 anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma.  
   Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and
 I were not prepared to hear at all.  I mean, he is
 eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick
 (he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that
 is helping him now).  Yes, hes not Monkee as I
 have known him, but he just doesnt look to me like
 hes on his last leg.  When we questioned her on the
 days prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV
 virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC
 and his brain is not getting enough oxygen and
 although he seems okay now, he is dizzy,
 lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of
 that will continue to get worse because his body is
 not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the
 blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and
 making it to the litter box will all drop off.  
   We asked what could be done and she said, if you
 are not ready yet, she recommended the blood
 transfusion, which will give him about two weeks,
 and then the benefits of the transferred blood will
 wear off and he will start suffering the anemia
 symptoms again because his body is not producing
 its own RBC.  She also said that morally, with FeLV
 cats, she will do 2 blood transfusions, and then
 that is it.  It is fighting a losing battle and that
 is as far as she will take it.
   I was wrecked and my mother was crying too.  I
 decided to pull myself together and still take
 Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after
 we left Dr. Daleys.  It was our first visit and I
 thought, I am so desperate right now, it cant hurt.
  A funny story about this visit: Monkee totally
 perked up as soon as we left Dr. Daleys (he hates
 it there!).  Dr. Maier has a

Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

2007-07-02 Thread HIDEYO YAMAMOTO

How much does he weigh? And what is the strength of epogen did your vet use?
I am emailing you the link regarding information on epogen in case you find it
helpful.

http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#treatmentshttp://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm#treatments
- Original Message -
From: Gina WNmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues

Great idea about the binder!

Gina

Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Monkee's HCT was 13% two weeks ago (when we first went to the Vet because I
knew something was wrong). That was on a Tuesday. They gave him .3 of Epogen
and sent me home with a tiny bottle to give him sub-cu injections of Epogen
that Thurs, and Sat. They increased his predisone (which was 5 mg- I think?
the little, small pills), every other day, to one every day; his Vet also added
the appetite stimulant, 1/2 a pill twice a day. We did the week of Epogen,
went back this Tues. and that is when his HCT count was 10% and his Vet told us
the options (marrow biopsy, transfusion, etc). We did the blood transfusion on
Wed. and they said after it, his count was up to 15%. The instructions were to
just continue the pred and the appetite stim. Nothing was said about the
Interferon or Epogen and I was too out of it to ask because I was so shocked by
the bill from the transfusion (and all I could think was that we can't afford
another one).
He was, what I call Super Monkee (it speaks for itself) on Wed., after
the transfusion. But since then, he's gone down a little bit (not with eating
though); but he's defintely less Super Monkee, and he's less bright-eyed. But
he is still sleeping better- actual sound sleeping, as opposed to the just
laying there and staring into space sleeping.
I have printed your emails and I filed them in Monkee's Care Binder- that
I have organized with ALL his information and it has dividers and everything.
I am going to ask questions from the emails when a Vet ever calls me back! But
I decided I need to bring some MAJOR organization to caring for Monkee if I
want to do this right, hence the binder! I highly suggest this to anyone who
isn't already doing something similar. I take The Monkee Binder with me
everywhere.
-Caroline

From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: To Belinda: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:22:31 -0700
PS. If it were me I would either find a vet who knows how to work
with epogen or ask your vet to research it, or take research you've
done to him and ask him to work with you. Along with the epogen a
cat should be getting blood builders, nutrived is a good source for
this. It has the iron, vitamin b needed to build blood. Fred's HCT
got as low as 24% and the nutrived got him back up to 30%. Nutrived
wouldn't be enough for a cat with an HCT of 18% or less. I can't
remember what is Monkee's HCT?

PS. Bailey had the bone marrow aspirate and that is why we very
strongly suspected cancer somewhere. He had Myloid Dysplastic
(basically there were pre-cancerous cells there). We did every test
we could think of and couldn't find the cancer, even after we got
his HCT to normal, he had no energy and wouldn't eat. He succumbed
to pancreatic cancer which we found after he passed with a necropsy.
I suspected his pancreas was involved because he always was
uncomfortable when I fed him through his feeding tube. He was on
high doses of prednisolone and was getting doxy just incase his
hemobartonella test was a false negative. The pred and the epo are
what got his HCT back to normal and stopped the bone marrow
surpression by the virus.

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To Susan re. lysine

Hey Susan,

One of the important things to know about lysine is
that if it has the preservative propylene glycol, as
some made for humans do, it can cause blood issues in
cats, so just make sure you're using pure lysine.

:)
Wendy

--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks!
 
 That's the dosage I have heard to use.
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent
 
 
 
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: laurieskatz 
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
   Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:28 PM
   Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis
 
 
   I give 250 mg twice a day ~ I crush 500 mg tablets
 and sprinkle on canned food. Viralys is already
 powder form and flavored. My cats like it. the other
 L-lysine (human) is unflavored. There is a scoop in
 the Viralys but it's the same dose. If my cats are
 symptomatic I increase to 500mg twice a day.
   Laurie
 - Original Message - 
 From: Susan Dubose 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:11 PM
 Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis
 
 
 A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine (
 I am using it, have been for quite a few months) but
 they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow?
 
 MaryLyn, I think you did?
 
 What is the protocal?
 
 As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that
 you get for horses, highly concentrated.
 
 It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing
 w/ the numbers that Kelly  I and some others on
 this list are dealing with.
 
 It's just a matter of a few grains being
 sprinkled onto the food.
 
 Another multi cat household that I know puts it
 into a saltshaker and shakes it out  voila! 
 Breakfast is served...!
 
 My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage
 is a few grains also.
 
 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
 
 Trajan Tennent
 
 


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To Glenda

Hi Glenda,

Welcome to the group.  I am sorry your kitties have
tested positive for the virus, but your vet, who by
the way sounds like she is on top of things, is
correct in saying that the kittens can throw the
virus.  We've also seen adults throw the virus.  Some
studies show about 40% of cats, give or take, throw
the virus once exposed.  The two most important things
is dealing with FeLV, and getting the virus to
seroconvert (throwing the virus), is a good diet and a
stress-free environment.  Foods that are free of any
grain are the best foods out there.  Most of them
can't be bought at Wal-mart or the grocery store.  You
can also use supplements, like lysine (without the
preservative propylene glycol) to boost the immune
system.  

There's another girl on this site from Nebraska; her
name is Melissa.  

Please post if you have any questions.  We are here to
help.

:)
Wendy

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



   

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To Gloria P.S.

P.S.  You might want to repost any questions you have
to the group with a different subject line.  A lot of
people only read some of the posts, depending on the
subject line.  The more specific the subject line, the
better the replies.

:)
Wendy 
Dallas, Tx


--- glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi folks, 
 I'm new to this site and do need to get some
 information on feline leukemia. This is in regard to
 a
 16-week old kitten that apparently became infected
 through her mother. My kitten has tested FeLV+ and
 another sibling has as well, also the mother. My vet
 told me the other day she believes in testing every
 60- days in hopes the kitten might be able to
 eventually fight the virus off and test negative.
 Does
 anyone have any information for me on this subject?
 I
 am in the western section of Nebraska...Thank you,
 Glenda Larsen
 --- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  This was a long time ago so maybe the disease
 wasn't
  as strong then, who knows. Stripes died in 1989
 and
  Squeaky in 1996
  My vet was so laid back about it ~ I think that
  helped. Stripes on and off illness was frustrating
  but you'd never have know Squeak had anything. The
  vet did say Squeaky's must have been in his blood
  marrow and called him a carrier.
  L
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?
  
  
Wow, that's impressive!
Long, happy lives, it sounds like.
  
You must have / are doing something right.
  
Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra
  lay in state,
   Faithful Bast
  at her side did wait,
   Purring
  welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding
  with sharpened claws.

  Trajan Tennent
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV?
  
  
  I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived
  together since the younger one had been adopted as
 a
  kitten.  Stripes kept getting sick on and off so
 we
  had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them
  each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days
 after
  his vaccination). They both tested positive.
 Stripes
  lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky
  didn't have a sick day in his life until his last
 3
  weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick
 on
  and off but was mostly healthy.
  
  and now we have Isabella
  Laurie
  
 
 
 



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To Kelley @ BF/Sylvester

Kelley,

How cool is that!  What a lucky kitty!

:)
Wendy

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Caroline,

   It sounds like you're doing everything you can. 
 I'm sure by now someone has mentioned taking doxy in
 case it's hemobartonella.  If it's not hemobart the
 anemia is hard to beat, but there are people on the
 list who have bought 'good' time for their cats with
 various methods.  13 pounds is a good weight, and
 his behavior sounds good too.  I hope the best for
 Monkee.
   tonya
 
 Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update
 on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He
 saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the
 Epogen had helped his anemia.  The news was very
 bad.  Apparently last week, when the anemia started,
 his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week ( 3
 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually
 worse, 10%.  However, Monkees White Blood Cell
 count is normal (it was down last week) and his
 lymphocyte count is normal.  Dr. Daley also found a
 lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it
 cant be felt from the outside- it runs along the
 artery in the leg).  His Vet said she thinks the
 FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the
 lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she
 honestly doubted it was the cancer.  She presented 3
 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to
 determine what is going on at the cellular level;
 however, it is invasive and Monkee would need
 sedation- which he couldnt get anyway while
  so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st,
 just to be able to do the biospy);  However, the
 biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us
 its FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood
 transfusion to literally buy me more time with him;
 (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the
 anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although,
 as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a
 shot in the dark. 
   My mother and I did not want to put this cat
 through chemo again (although he did very well with
 the first round).  But now that he is actively
 anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially
 knowing that Dr. Daley really didnt think the chemo
 would actually help the situation.  We also didnt
 want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that
 would probably tell us what we already know, but
 dont want to admitthat for four years, I had the
 healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who
 never even suffered from a urinary tract infection;
 who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time
 this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didnt
 have it.To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2
 months, we have gone from that, to a severely
 anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma.  
   Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and
 I were not prepared to hear at all.  I mean, he is
 eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick
 (he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that
 is helping him now).  Yes, hes not Monkee as I
 have known him, but he just doesnt look to me like
 hes on his last leg.  When we questioned her on the
 days prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV
 virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC
 and his brain is not getting enough oxygen and
 although he seems okay now, he is dizzy,
 lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of
 that will continue to get worse because his body is
 not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the
 blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and
 making it to the litter box will all drop off.  
   We asked what could be done and she said, if you
 are not ready yet, she recommended the blood
 transfusion, which will give him about two weeks,
 and then the benefits of the transferred blood will
 wear off and he will start suffering the anemia
 symptoms again because his body is not producing
 its own RBC.  She also said that morally, with FeLV
 cats, she will do 2 blood transfusions, and then
 that is it.  It is fighting a losing battle and that
 is as far as she will take it.
   I was wrecked and my mother was crying too.  I
 decided to pull myself together and still take
 Monkee to the Holistic Vet, Dr. Susan Maier, after
 we left Dr. Daleys.  It was our first visit and I
 thought, I am so desperate right now, it cant hurt.
  A funny story about this visit: Monkee totally
 perked up as soon as we left Dr. Daleys (he hates
 it there!).  Dr. Maier has a few black and white
 clinic cats that roam around and as soon as we
 walked in, Monkee, in his carrier, freaked out (he
 hates other catswhich is probably why he ended up
 with FeLV to begin with!).  I was carrying his
 carrier on my shoulder to an exam room and I
 instantly felt the carrier get completely light-
 there was no longer 13 lbs of weight on my shoulder!
  I didnt understand what happened, but I turned
 around and all I saw was black and white x 3 (Monkee
 is black and white), and I

Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-02 Thread cindy reasoner

Dede,

I am so so sorry to hear about Ki.  You are in my
thoughts.

Cindy Reasoner

--- dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I wish I could say I deliberately did this.  I swore
 I
 never would.  When these 4 kitens came into foster
 care, they neded a home for 2 of them...I got to
 choose.  I picked the 2 tabbies.After I had them 2
 weeks, I noticed Ki had 2 huge nodes in his neck. 
 We
 treated that, and tested him...Surprise.  I was
 shocked and frightened. I'm not sure I would have
 volontarity done this.  I have 3 FIV cats.  One of
 them is diabetic, one has stomatitis.  I have
 another
 with severe stomatitis, and one asthmatic.
 
 I go from day to day. Life is a gift.  When I take a
 furkid, it is a commitment for better or worse, in
 sickness and in health so to speak.  You cn't throw
 them away because they are not pefect.
 
 I have been truly blessed by my fur-family
 
 Dede  (who is sorry for the chit chat)   
 
 
 
 --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  And thank you.
  
  When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened
  me up and swallowed me.
  
  Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my
 vet
  and his wife (who have 
  several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly
  doing research, even @ 73 
  yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic,
  she could go very fast, 
  it just depends.
  
  I was s glad they were there for me.
  
  Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many
  different ways...
  
  Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a
  tack.
  
  I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats,
  his limit is 3.
  
  The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him,
 if
  he has 3 and gets a 
  4th, one dies really soon afterwards.
  
  He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been
  for 25+ yrs.  (cha 
  ching$)
  
  He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn
 off.
  
  Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a
  baby while holding his cat 
  @ the vet's?
  
  Not pretty.
  
  The good thing is, he only has been working 10
 days
  per month (10 days on, 
  20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him,
 he
  plans to work more and 
  donate a lot more money.
  
  In otherwords, he has been just working his
 minimum
  to be w/ his cats, but 
  once they are all gone, he will fly more and of
  course, have more money.
  
  Right now he is a very big donor, always there for
  my project kitties.
  
  When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to
  start a sanctuary, and he 
  will have a lot of people to help him.
  
  I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a
  very special purrson to 
  have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also..
  
  LOTS of people are even afraid of them.
  
  I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions
  that would not even enter 
  my felv+ room, they just looked through the door.
  
  They were really afraid of taking it home to their
  cats.
  
  I understand that it is a very delicate
  virus
  
  I just call them my little bubble
 kitties.
   :)...
  Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
As Cleopatra
 lay
  in state,
 Faithful Bast
 at
  her side did wait,
 Purring
 welcomes
  of soft applause,
 Ever guarding
  with sharpened claws.
  
 Trajan
  Tennent
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM
  Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel
  
  
  Thanks Susan.  I know you are right.  One can only
  take so much exposure to Corona when your immune
  system is not so great.  I just don't get why some
  get
  it and some don't.  I suppose if I could answer
  that,
  I'd get the Pulitzer.
  
  I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated
 him
  with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will
  never
  know.  And here i was worried that he'd infect
  someone.  They are so fragile.
  
  Sorry about your little one, too.  Ki came to me
 in
  July, too.  He was only 12 wks old.  It just takes
  time, I guess.
  
  Dede
  
  
  
  
 
 
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RE: To Glenda

2007-07-02 Thread Melissa Lind

Glenda,

I'm the Melissa from Nebraska--not very many of us on this site. I'm not
sure if I've met another Nebraskan on here. I live in Osmond, but work in
Norfolk, which is in the Northeast part of the state if you're not familiar.

I don't remember reading your story/situation--I haven't been able to catch
up with most of the posts that I missed this past week. Do you have a new
FeLV?

I don't have an FELV pos. kitty anymore--he amazingly got accepted to Best
Friends in Utah and went out there several months ago (I still miss him!).

If you ever need anything, feel free to ask me. I'm not taking in anymore
cats (in fact, I'm desperately looking for homes for two of my foster cats),
but I still stay fairly active on this list because I learn so much and plan
to open my own FeLV rescue someday...

And you can always contact me off list if you like...

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 12:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: To Glenda

Hi Glenda,

Welcome to the group.  I am sorry your kitties have
tested positive for the virus, but your vet, who by
the way sounds like she is on top of things, is
correct in saying that the kittens can throw the
virus.  We've also seen adults throw the virus.  Some
studies show about 40% of cats, give or take, throw
the virus once exposed.  The two most important things
is dealing with FeLV, and getting the virus to
seroconvert (throwing the virus), is a good diet and a
stress-free environment.  Foods that are free of any
grain are the best foods out there.  Most of them
can't be bought at Wal-mart or the grocery store.  You
can also use supplements, like lysine (without the
preservative propylene glycol) to boost the immune
system.  

There's another girl on this site from Nebraska; her
name is Melissa.  

Please post if you have any questions.  We are here to
help.

:)
Wendy

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~



   


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for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games.
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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-02 Thread Gloria Lane

Dede, I am So.o.o sorry that you're baby has gone on to the Bridge. I 
know he's still with you in many ways, what a blessing.  My thoughts 
are with you and Ki. Gloria



It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you know
Ki left this world at 10 this AM.

...

Re: To Malone and Susan D.

Sorry Wendy, I didn't do an intro post.

Yes, I know, I just joined the list and threw myself into the mix.

I've covered a lot about myself, so, is the intro still needed?

No problemo  :)

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:42 AM
Subject: To Malone and Susan D.


Malone and Susan,

I apologize for not welcoming you guys to the group.
I didn't get any intro posts for either of you, but
when I go into the archives, it looks like I am not
getting about 60% of the posts.  I need to email the
site administrator and ask why.  I am trying to catch
up in the archives.

Susan, I read several of your posts, but for some
reason, I thought you were the other Susan.  You
sounded like you'd been here forever!

So again, welcome to the group.  And please don't
hesitate to post anytime you need help or anything
else.

:)
Wendy

--- catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Caroline,

   It sounds like you're doing everything you can.
 I'm sure by now someone has mentioned taking doxy in
 case it's hemobartonella.  If it's not hemobart the
 anemia is hard to beat, but there are people on the
 list who have bought 'good' time for their cats with
 various methods.  13 pounds is a good weight, and
 his behavior sounds good too.  I hope the best for
 Monkee.
   tonya

 Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 Hi everyone.  I wanted to provide an update
 on my FeLV pos. and lymphosarcoma cat Monkee.  He
 saw his Vet yesterday to determine whether the
 Epogen had helped his anemia.  The news was very
 bad.  Apparently last week, when the anemia started,
 his Red Blood cell count was 13%.  After a week ( 3
 doses of the Epogen), his RBC count was actually
 worse, 10%.  However, Monkee's White Blood Cell
 count is normal (it was down last week) and his
 lymphocyte count is normal.  Dr. Daley also found a
 lymph node in his groin that is enlarged (but it
 can't be felt from the outside- it runs along the
 artery in the leg).  His Vet said she thinks the
 FeLV is causing the problem, or it could be the
 lymphosarcoma, but when pressed, she said that she
 honestly doubted it was the cancer.  She presented 3
 options: (1) a bone marrow aspirate/biopsy to
 determine what is going on at the cellular level;
 however, it is invasive and Monkee would need
 sedation- which he couldn't get anyway while
  so anemic (so he'd need a blood transfusion 1st,
 just to be able to do the biospy);  However, the
 biopsy, in her opinion, would probably just tell us
 it's FeLV causing the anemia; (2) a blood
 transfusion to literally buy me more time with him;
 (3) try another dose of chemo in hopes that the
 anemia is being caused by lymphosarcoma, although,
 as I said previously, she doubted it and that was a
 shot in the dark.
   My mother and I did not want to put this cat
 through chemo again (although he did very well with
 the first round).  But now that he is actively
 anemic, there was no way I would do it, especially
 knowing that Dr. Daley really didn't think the chemo
 would actually help the situation.  We also didn't
 want to put him through a bone marrow biopsy that
 would probably tell us what we already know, but
 don't want to admit.that for four years, I had the
 healthiest, beefiest, toughest cat in the world, who
 never even suffered from a urinary tract infection;
 who was so healthy, I wanted to test him a 3rd time
 this summer for FeLV because I was sure he didn't
 have it..To now, out of nowhere, in a span of 2
 months, we have gone from that, to a severely
 anemic, suffering, FeLV cat with lymphosarcoma.
   Dr. Daley gave him days.  Days.  Which my mom and
 I were not prepared to hear at all.  I mean, he is
 eating, drinking, using the litter box, he is thick
 (he was slightly overweight to begin with, so that
 is helping him now).  Yes, he's not Monkee as I
 have known him, but he just doesn't look to me like
 he's on his last leg.  When we questioned her on the
 days prognosis she explained that due to the FeLV
 virus, and the anemia, his body is not making RBC
 and his brain is not getting enough oxygen and
 although he seems okay now, he is dizzy,
 lightheaded, probably having vertigo, and all of
 that will continue to get worse because his body is
 not manufacturing RBC- which carry oxygen in the
 blood, and eventually, his eating/drinking and
 making it to the litter box will all drop off.
   We asked what could be done and she said, if you
 are not ready yet, she recommended the blood

Re: To Susan re. lysine

Thanks, Wendy!

What kinda blood issues can propylene glycol cause?

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: To Susan re. lysine


Hey Susan,

One of the important things to know about lysine is
that if it has the preservative propylene glycol, as
some made for humans do, it can cause blood issues in
cats, so just make sure you're using pure lysine.

:)
Wendy

--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks!

 That's the dosage I have heard to use.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent




   - Original Message - 
   From: laurieskatz
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:28 PM
   Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis


   I give 250 mg twice a day ~ I crush 500 mg tablets
 and sprinkle on canned food. Viralys is already
 powder form and flavored. My cats like it. the other
 L-lysine (human) is unflavored. There is a scoop in
 the Viralys but it's the same dose. If my cats are
 symptomatic I increase to 500mg twice a day.
   Laurie
 - Original Message - 
 From: Susan Dubose
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:11 PM
 Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis


 A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine (
 I am using it, have been for quite a few months) but
 they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow?

 MaryLyn, I think you did?

 What is the protocal?

 As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that
 you get for horses, highly concentrated.

 It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing
 w/ the numbers that Kelly  I and some others on
 this list are dealing with.

 It's just a matter of a few grains being
 sprinkled onto the food.

 Another multi cat household that I know puts it
 into a saltshaker and shakes it out  voila!
 Breakfast is served...!

 My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage
 is a few grains also.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.

 Trajan Tennent




Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret 
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Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues









I'm all to familiar with that both in people and vets.  Dr. Maier, Dr. Boswell 
and the doctors at Middletown Animal Clinic are great and will work with you.  
There is a specialty clinic in the St. Matthews area (where I took the Royal 
Princess Kitty Katt for her last tests)...I can't think of the name but will 
see if I can get it for you.  I think they are 24/7.  They are great too and 
let you stay with your little friend.  I know you are feeling helpless.  I've 
been there too many times both alone and in support of friends.  Find a vet you 
are happy with and forget the distance.  (My feelings.)  I drove from Okolona 
to Middletown when I was in Louisville.  Now I drive from SE KY to Middletown.  
I want someone I can depend on to be straight with me.  Period.  Dixie was a 
throw away that I was going to bring to the farm as an outside cat.  I took her 
to MAC to be spayed and they tested her.  I can't tell you the feelings in Dr. 
Bishop's voice when he called to say she was FeLV+ and to ask how to handle it. 
 When I figured out how to keep Dixie alive and separate from the other outside 
cats at Mom's there was a lot of relief at MAC.  Now, over 2 years later, 
everyone thinks Dixie is the sweetest little thing around.  She rarely sees 
them (no need but they work her in when I do have a problem)  but I stop every 
time I am in town for the oral Interferon and just to say hi.  I have had their 
support thru numerous pets and several stray/throw-always/injuries.  You have 
to find something like this, hopefully in your neck of the woods.  Without it 
you will be miserable.  Again, maybe Susan is your answer.  She is 15-20 
minutes away when 64 is open.  Please keep looking for the right vet.  I think 
everyone on the list will tell you how very important that is.  I just happen 
to know something about the area you are in and am probably boring everyone 
else.  Please keep looking.  If you decide you want the names of other vets in 
what I believe to be your area I can contact friends for recommendations or 
Susan can recommend some one.  If so you may want to email off line.  I'm not 
sure how that is done but someone can tell you if you don't know.

Just keep on keeping on. 






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:35 AM
  Subject: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues


  Marylyn- thanks for the good advice.  These are things we will work on trying 
this week.  I do need to start Monkee on an organic cat food.  I've just been 
feeding him Brandon Farms organic that I found at Kroger this past week.  I 
have been short on cash since the blood transfusion, so I had to carefully 
choose some of my purchases for him.  He had a bad day on Saturday and it 
really got me down.  Since he was down, it made me depressed and I couldn't 
really do anything.  But on Sunday, Monkee had a really good day!  He was so 
bright in the eyes and really active and talkative.  We went outside (he no 
longer needs his harness and leash because he moves slow and stays with me).  
So, in turn, on Sun. I had a good day.  I just thought it was odd that he'd 
have a bad day on Sat. and then go up so drastically the next day?  

  I am REALLY frustrated with Monkee's doctors.  I put a call into Dr. Daley on 
THURSDAY of last week to ask if I should re-start him on Interferon on Friday.  
SHE NEVER CALLED ME BACK.  IT'S MONDAY AND I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER.  I 
find that unacceptable.  All I needed was a call to be returned by a 
tech/receptionist answering my simple question that they should have printed 
off in the care instructions on Wednesday to begin with!  I had also called 
Monkee's original vet, Dr. Jones, on Thursday and finally heard from him on 
Friday at 5:30.  He was kind of stand-offish and said he didn't want to change 
anything we were doing for Monkee yet (I asked about giving Epogen another 
shot) and he said he wanted to talk to Dr. Daley first.  He also said Daley's 
office hadn't sent them any records since 6/22- which was before the 
transfusion- which quadrupely upsets me b/c if Monkee has an emergency and 
crashes or something, I am taking him DOWN THE ROAD- 5 mins away- to Dr. Jones, 
not 25 mins away to Daley's!!!  I talked to him about Monkee coming back to him 
for primary care since it looks like we aren't treating him primarily for his 
cancer anymore.  He said I needed to follow-up with Daley first and asked if 
Monkee had an appointment set.  I said no.

Re: Marylyn, question

I get the Just Born at a feed store here but it is available at various pet 
stores and the liquid (too expensive for long term use) is available at 
Kroger's.


I get the Brush Away from a holistic vet I know but it is available on line 
as is the Just Born.  The website is: http://www.petzlife.com/


Just Born with Colostrum is available on line too.  Here is a couple of 
sites:


http://www.dresslersdog.com/petn01.html

http://www.petmountain.com/search/0/0/1/1/?s=Just+born

http://www.amazon.com/Just-Born-Colostrum-Kittens-powder/dp/B00063KN8A

Amazon.com is the only place I have had experience.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Marylyn, question



Marylyn where do you buy Just Born and Brush Away?

thanks very much
Jane

RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute details, but I have now had two "bad" conversations with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the transfusion would wear off and we need to "plan accordingly." Basically, he and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for 
Monkee is bleak. I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too bad! 

I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a "bad day" on Saturday where he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was startingto go down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a really "good day" andhe was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and "no hope" outlook for Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I know we 
are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem "ready" yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be palliative care, I want it to be "positive palliative care." 
I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation where he "crashes" due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept happy.
Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I found surprisingly candid. She said she felt bad that his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd be happy to see Monkee this week. She said she doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past (and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one week and then, Dr. Daley was like, "well it didn't work"- when everyone says it needs more than one week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same thing about it! She said she doesn't see any reason to give up "prematurely." She also said that she's worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet and would like to return to him at some point, maybe with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move on). 
Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is the route Monkee and I are going to go for now. We maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that cat down until he's ready and I just want to be treating with someone who supports that decision and I feel that I am now. But it's been a bumpy ride getting there!
-Caroline 





From: "Marylyn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia IssuesDate: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:45:05 -0500







 
I'm all to familiar with that both in people and vets. Dr. Maier, Dr. Boswelland the doctors at Middletown Animal Clinic are great and will work with you. There is a specialty clinic in the St. Matthews area (where I took the Royal Princess Kitty Katt for her last tests)...I can't think of the name but will see if I can get it for you. I think they are 24/7. They are great too and let you stay with your little friend. I know you are feeling helpless. I've been there too many times both alone and in support of friends. Find a vet you are happy with and forget the distance.

Re: To Susan re. lysine

2007-07-02 Thread elizabeth trent


propylene glycol is in antifreeze -- i'm surprized they use that in the
human supplements!

Propylene glycol is metabolized to lactate. In toxic quantities, acidosis,
liver damage, and renal insufficiency are possible. Clinical signs of a
propylene glycol toxicoses include CNS depression, weakness, ataxia, and
seizures. With large ingestion, diuresis and supportive care, such as
treatment for acidosis, should be given. The usefulness of 4MP (Fomepizole)
for treating PG toxicosis is not known and treatment with ethanol may cause
more problems in relation to the development of acidosis.

http://www.vspn.org/Library/misc/VSPN_M00981.htm


On 7/2/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Thanks, Wendy!

What kinda blood issues can propylene glycol cause?

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra lay in state,
  Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
  Purring welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message -
From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:57 AM
Subject: To Susan re. lysine


Hey Susan,

One of the important things to know about lysine is
that if it has the preservative propylene glycol, as
some made for humans do, it can cause blood issues in
cats, so just make sure you're using pure lysine.

:)
Wendy

--- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Thanks!

 That's the dosage I have heard to use.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra lay
 in state,
Faithful Bast at
 her side did wait,
Purring welcomes
 of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.
  Trajan
 Tennent




   - Original Message -
   From: laurieskatz
   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
   Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 7:28 PM
   Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis


   I give 250 mg twice a day ~ I crush 500 mg tablets
 and sprinkle on canned food. Viralys is already
 powder form and flavored. My cats like it. the other
 L-lysine (human) is unflavored. There is a scoop in
 the Viralys but it's the same dose. If my cats are
 symptomatic I increase to 500mg twice a day.
   Laurie
 - Original Message -
 From: Susan Dubose
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:11 PM
 Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis


 A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine (
 I am using it, have been for quite a few months) but
 they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow?

 MaryLyn, I think you did?

 What is the protocal?

 As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that
 you get for horses, highly concentrated.

 It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing
 w/ the numbers that Kelly  I and some others on
 this list are dealing with.

 It's just a matter of a few grains being
 sprinkled onto the food.

 Another multi cat household that I know puts it
 into a saltshaker and shakes it out  voila!
 Breakfast is served...!

 My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage
 is a few grains also.

 Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
 www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
 www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
 www.shadowcats.net
   As Cleopatra
 lay in state,
Faithful Bast
 at her side did wait,
Purring
 welcomes of soft applause,
Ever guarding
 with sharpened claws.

 Trajan Tennent




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change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~






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Re: Suzie crossed the bridge

2007-07-02 Thread catatonya

Kelley,
   
  I'm so sorry to read that Suzie passed.  I'm so sorry.
   
  tonya

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  She was a sweet girl who liked to sit in laps, but didn't like other cats 
much.  She was positive for FIP.  Dr Samon euthanized her this morning.  I wish 
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RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

2007-07-02 Thread dede hicken

Caroline,
I hate that you are going through this emotional
abuse. It's hard enough to be so concerned about
Monkee (love the spelling BTW), and have people acting
like they don't give a *%$.  It is so very hard to
make these decisions, but like you said, Not until
he's ready  Stick with your gut feelings.  I always
say in times like this...I want no regrets, and you
don't want any either.

Bless you both in your decision.  Be firm, and feel
good about what you are doing.

Dede



--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


-

There's been a lot of developments today, which have
had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good
thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute
details, but I have now had two bad conversations
with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic.  Monkee is out of
his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic
today to see if I could pick it up there. They put 
Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report
today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor
prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph
nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said
that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that
he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the
transfusion would wear off and we need to plan
accordingly.  Basically, he and Dr. Daley are
standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. 
I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what
makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's
condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not
too bad!  

I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier
detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones,
their decisions to just drop off medications, etc.  I
told her that Monkee had a bad day on Saturday where
he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was
not anything extreme or different from his
pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to
go down from the transfusion already wearing off. 
However, on Sunday, he had a really good day and he
was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really
happy and in no pain or distress.  So I flat-out told
Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and
Jones' poor prognosis and no hope outlook for Monkee
because at this point, even before Monkee's
transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire
distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I
know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but
Monkee just doesn't seem ready yet! I told her I
would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more
positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's
going to be palliative care, I want it to be positive
palliative care. 

I asked her for her continued help and assistance and
if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this
week, especially since the transfusion is going to
wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into
a situation where he crashes due to that.  He
currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at
this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more
than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with
either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are
unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting
their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact
that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional
opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or
something, but at this point, I don't care! I told
her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept
happy. 

Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I
found surprisingly candid.  She said she felt bad that
his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd
be happy to see Monkee this week.  She said she
doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past
(and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just
couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one
week and then, Dr. Daley was like, well it didn't
work- when everyone says it needs more than one
week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same
thing about it!  She said she doesn't see any reason
to give up prematurely.  She also said that she's
worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole
Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so
that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet
and would like to return to him at some point, maybe
with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move
on).  

Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is
the route Monkee and I are going to go for now.  We
maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of
recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that
cat down until he's ready and I just want to be
treating with someone who supports that decision and I
feel that I am now.  But it's been a bumpy ride
getting there!

-Caroline 

 

 



 

-
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia
Issues
Date: Mon, 2

Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:20 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

  You will know when Monkee is ready to leave this world.  It may be today or 
in 10 years.  You are not God and neither am I.we can't see the future.  
Every one of us dies ...sorry.  That is the way the system works.  Just 
don't live your life looking at death.  First, it isn't a bad thing and second, 
you are wasting lots of really good fun time fearing Death.  Monkee knows this 
and is probably trying to teach you much as the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and 
others have tried to teach me.  People are basically very hard 
headed..just ask our little friends.  The stories Dixie could tell 
you!!

  Relax.  Spend wonderful time with Monkee and find and keep a vet that 
respects you.  I have been very lucky that way.  I hope Susan is that vet for 
you.  If not, keep looking.  He or She does exist for you.   

   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my 
desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the 
minute details, but I have now had two bad conversations with Dr. Jones from 
The Cat Clinic.  Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The 
Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put  Dr. Jones on the 
phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her 
poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his 
abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with 
Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the 
transfusion would wear off and we need to plan accordingly.  Basically, he 
and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak.  I was 
so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse 
for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too 
bad!  

I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my 
conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off 
medications, etc.  I told her that Monkee had a bad day on Saturday where he 
was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or 
different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go 
down from the transfusion already wearing off.  However, on Sunday, he had a 
really good day and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really 
happy and in no pain or distress.  So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was 
frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and no hope outlook for 
Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I 
don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and 
I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem 
ready yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a 
more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be 
palliative care, I want it to be positive palliative care. 

I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring 
Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is 
going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation 
where he crashes due to that.  He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or 
Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than 
ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I 
didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting 
their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic 
Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or 
something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee 
to be taken care of and kept happy. 

Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I found surprisingly 
candid.  She said she felt bad that his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and 
that she'd be happy to see Monkee this week.  She said she doesn't have much 
experience with Epogen in the past (and I am not married to the Epogen by far, 
I just couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one

Re: Marylyn, question

Just Born available online also @  www.drsfosterandsmith.com
www.revivalanimal.com


I have used both, pretty fast on the shipping.

Both stay *about* the same as far as price.



Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Marylyn, question


I get the Just Born at a feed store here but it is available at various pet
stores and the liquid (too expensive for long term use) is available at
Kroger's.

I get the Brush Away from a holistic vet I know but it is available on line
as is the Just Born.  The website is: http://www.petzlife.com/

Just Born with Colostrum is available on line too.  Here is a couple of
sites:

http://www.dresslersdog.com/petn01.html

http://www.petmountain.com/search/0/0/1/1/?s=Just+born

http://www.amazon.com/Just-Born-Colostrum-Kittens-powder/dp/B00063KN8A

Amazon.com is the only place I have had experience.







 If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
 will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
  St.
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Marylyn, question


 Marylyn where do you buy Just Born and Brush Away?

 thanks very much
 Jane

Re: To Susan re. lysine

Egads!

Why would they do that?


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: elizabeth trent 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:37 PM
  Subject: Re: To Susan re. lysine


  propylene glycol is in antifreeze -- i'm surprized they use that in the human 
supplements!

  Propylene glycol is metabolized to lactate. In toxic quantities, acidosis, 
liver damage, and renal insufficiency are possible. Clinical signs of a 
propylene glycol toxicoses include CNS depression, weakness, ataxia, and 
seizures. With large ingestion, diuresis and supportive care, such as treatment 
for acidosis, should be given. The usefulness of 4MP (Fomepizole) for treating 
PG toxicosis is not known and treatment with ethanol may cause more problems in 
relation to the development of acidosis. 

  http://www.vspn.org/Library/misc/VSPN_M00981.htm



  On 7/2/07, Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Thanks, Wendy!

What kinda blood issues can propylene glycol cause?

Susan J. DuBose  ^..^ 
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra lay in state, 
  Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
  Purring welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding with sharpened claws. 
Trajan Tennent

Re: Marylyn, question

Make sure you are getting the Just Born with Colostrum.  The colostrum is a 
major selling point.


Thanks for the sources.






If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Marylyn, question



Just Born available online also @  www.drsfosterandsmith.com
www.revivalanimal.com


I have used both, pretty fast on the shipping.

Both stay *about* the same as far as price.



Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra lay in state,
  Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
  Purring welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Marylyn, question


I get the Just Born at a feed store here but it is available at various 
pet

stores and the liquid (too expensive for long term use) is available at
Kroger's.

I get the Brush Away from a holistic vet I know but it is available on 
line

as is the Just Born.  The website is: http://www.petzlife.com/

Just Born with Colostrum is available on line too.  Here is a couple of
sites:

http://www.dresslersdog.com/petn01.html

http://www.petmountain.com/search/0/0/1/1/?s=Just+born

http://www.amazon.com/Just-Born-Colostrum-Kittens-powder/dp/B00063KN8A

Amazon.com is the only place I have had experience.







If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
 St.
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Marylyn, question



Marylyn where do you buy Just Born and Brush Away?

thanks very much
Jane

RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha). AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen). So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically.

Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name! People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it "Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!).
-Caroline

From:dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject:RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia IssuesDate:Mon, 2 Jul 2007 15:32:09 -0700 (PDT)Caroline,I hate that you are going through this emotionalabuse. It's hard enough to be so concerned aboutMonkee (love the spelling BTW), and have people actinglike they don't give a *%$.It is so very hard tomake these decisions, but like you said, "Not untilhe's ready"Stick with your gut feelings.I alwayssay in times like this...I want no regrets, and youdon't want any either.Bless you both in your decision.Be firm, and
feelgood about what you are doing.Dede--- Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:-There's been a lot of developments today, which havehad me crying at my desk here at work (never a goodthing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minutedetails, but I have now had two "bad" conversationswith Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic.Monkee is out ofhis appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinictoday to see if I could pick it up there. They putDr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a reporttoday from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poorprognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymphnodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones
saidthat, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and thathe would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said thetransfusion would wear off and we need to "planaccordingly."Basically, he and Dr. Daley arestanding firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak.I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and whatmakes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee'scondition, which, even before the transfusion, was nottoo bad!I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maierdetailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones,their decisions to just drop off medications, etc.Itold her that Monkee had a "bad day" on Saturday wherehe was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it wasnot anything extreme or different from
hispre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting togo down from the transfusion already wearing off.However, on Sunday, he had a really "good day" and hewas bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed reallyhappy and in no pain or distress.So I flat-out toldDr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley andJones' poor prognosis and "no hope" outlook for Monkeebecause at this point, even before Monkee'stransfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in diredistress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and Iknow we are a fighting likely a losing battle, butMonkee just doesn't seem "ready" yet! I told her Iwould like Monkee to treat with someone who has a morepositive attitude towards his care, and even if it'sgoing to be palliative care, I want it to be
"positivepalliative care."I asked her for her continued help and assistance andif I could bring Monkee out to see her again thisweek, especially since the transfusion is going towear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get intoa situation where he "crashes" due to that.Hecurrently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and atthis point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little morethan ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care witheither of them. I told her I didn't know if they areunhappy with me as a client for not totally acceptingtheir difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the factthat I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additionalopinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers orsomething, but at this point, I don't care! I
toldher I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kepthappy.Dr. Maier immediately sent

Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

Perfectly said. Thanks for this. I try so hard not to let my kittys see me cry 
or upset when someone is sick.
Laurie
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

You will know when Monkee is ready to leave this world.  It may be today or 
in 10 years.  You are not God and neither am I.we can't see the future.  
Every one of us dies ...sorry.  That is the way the system works.  Just 
don't live your life looking at death.  First, it isn't a bad thing and second, 
you are wasting lots of really good fun time fearing Death.  Monkee knows this 
and is probably trying to teach you much as the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and 
others have tried to teach me.  People are basically very hard 
headed..just ask our little friends.  The stories Dixie could tell 
you!!

Relax.  Spend wonderful time with Monkee and find and keep a vet that 
respects you.  I have been very lucky that way.  I hope Susan is that vet for 
you.  If not, keep looking.  He or She does exist for you.   

 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
  St. 
Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:23 PM
  Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

  There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my 
desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the 
minute details, but I have now had two bad conversations with Dr. Jones from 
The Cat Clinic.  Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The 
Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put  Dr. Jones on the 
phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her 
poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his 
abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with 
Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the 
transfusion would wear off and we need to plan accordingly.  Basically, he 
and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak.  I was 
so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse 
for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too 
bad!  

  I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my 
conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off 
medications, etc.  I told her that Monkee had a bad day on Saturday where he 
was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or 
different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go 
down from the transfusion already wearing off.  However, on Sunday, he had a 
really good day and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really 
happy and in no pain or distress.  So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was 
frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and no hope outlook for 
Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I 
don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and 
I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem 
ready yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a 
more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be 
palliative care, I want it to be positive palliative care. 

  I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring 
Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is 
going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation 
where he crashes due to that.  He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or 
Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than 
ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I 
didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting 
their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic 
Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or 
something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee 
to be taken care of and kept happy. 

  Dr. Maier immediately sent

Re: Marylyn, question

2007-07-02 Thread Jane Lyons


Thanks Marylyn

1
Just Born Plus Colostrum for Kittens 12oz powder

this is what I ordered from Amazon.

Jane






On Jul 2, 2007, at 8:11 PM, Marylyn wrote:

Make sure you are getting the Just Born with Colostrum.  The colostrum 
is a major selling point.


Thanks for the sources.






If you have men who 
will exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - From: Susan Dubose 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: Marylyn, question



Just Born available online also @  www.drsfosterandsmith.com
www.revivalanimal.com


I have used both, pretty fast on the shipping.

Both stay *about* the same as far as price.



Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
 As Cleopatra lay in state,
  Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
  Purring welcomes of soft applause,
  Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: Marylyn, question


I get the Just Born at a feed store here but it is available at 
various pet
stores and the liquid (too expensive for long term use) is available 
at

Kroger's.

I get the Brush Away from a holistic vet I know but it is available 
on line

as is the Just Born.  The website is: http://www.petzlife.com/

Just Born with Colostrum is available on line too.  Here is a couple 
of

sites:

http://www.dresslersdog.com/petn01.html

http://www.petmountain.com/search/0/0/1/1/?s=Just+born

http://www.amazon.com/Just-Born-Colostrum-Kittens-powder/dp/B00063KN8A

Amazon.com is the only place I have had experience.







If you have men who 
will

exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise 
with

their fellow man.
 St.
Francis
- Original Message - From: Jane Lyons 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:02 AM
Subject: Marylyn, question



Marylyn where do you buy Just Born and Brush Away?

thanks very much
Jane

Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

2007-07-02 Thread Pam Norman

Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN  creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 


Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
*/Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
 
Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
 
Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.
 
Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.
 
Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
 
They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
 
Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
 
All tested neg/neg for FELV.
 
Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.


http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

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Please help Caroline!

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OT Monkee

2007-07-02 Thread Sally Davis


Caroline

uhhh

showing my age here.. I had a thing for the Monkee's but not in
syndicationthe original show.

I am glad Monkee is feeling better.

Sally



--
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Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post
your as well.

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Re: Ki is an Angel

2007-07-02 Thread dede hicken

Thank You Jane.  It has been a hard few days.  I just
hope all my other guys are OK.  I tried to be so clean
with the litterboxes.  Honestly though, between the
FELV and his lousy beginning, he probably had the
virus, and his immune system couldn't fight it off. 
FIP is such a @#$%*.

Dede



--- Jane Lyons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dede I am so sorry. I was hoping that when I turned
 this
 computer on that there would be some good news about
 Ki.
 
 He was lucky to have found you. I hope you can find
 comfort
 in the good times you shared and knowing that he
 finally
 felt loved and cared for.
 
 You fought for him until the very end, and he knew
 that.
 
 His angels are with you.
 
 Jane
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:09 PM, dede hicken wrote:
 
 
  It is with the heaviest of hearts that I let you
 know
  Ki left this world at 10 this AM.
 
  It was sooo hard for me.  I noticed last night
 that
  his belly looked really full.  The way he was
  breathing was weird also.  You could see his head
 and
  chest moving.  His eyes had brightened up though,
 and
  the fever had gotten better, but it kept spiking. 
 He
  even ate a few pieces of food by himself.
 
  The vet drained his belly, and it was thick straw
  colored with fibrin strands...heavy protein.  My
  biggest fear was that he would crash tomorrow when
 I
  couldn't get to a vet, and he would have a
 horrible
  death.
 
  Maybe the move stressed him, or maybe I should
 have
  never put him in with most of the cats.  I
 dunno...I
  could go crazy asking what if's  I guess I
 believed
  he would be one of the lucky ones.  He came from a
  horrible home...many FeLV cats and death.  His
  siblings and mother were neg and I was sure he
 would
  beat it.  It was only a faint pos.  He had a fever
  like this last Nov, but recovered,
 
  I am so grateful for the time I had with him.  He
 came
  to me the week before my beloved Smokey died.  I
  didn't even know he was pos. but we kept him in
 the
  bedroom, and played with him, and loved and slept
 with
  him.  He was a pistol, and rough to play with!  I
 hope
  he doesn't forget us, and the time will come when
 we
  can all be together forever.
 
  May the Lord bless you sweet one, and keep you in
 his
  care until we meet again.
 
  Dede
 
  When you are in the service of your fellow
 beings, you are only in  
  the service of your God
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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

2007-07-02 Thread catatonya

Kelley,
   
  I have no idea, but I thought I'd tell you my own circumstances.  Over the 
years mine have seemed to die quite suddenly from an illness anywhere between 9 
and 12 years of age.  In groups.  Nothing has ever been connected.  We'll go 
years where everyone is fine, and then in one year I lost 3.  all to different 
causes. (Only one that I've lost was felv+).
   
  I think when we take in rescues we have to realize that they are more likely 
to have physical problems due to not being taken care of, inbreeding, being in 
a shelter, etc... and they are just more likely not going to live a 20 year 
lifetime like we hope they will.
   
  Maybe something is going on at your house, and I'm sure you've got lots of 
good advice right now, but try not to 'blame yourself' for these kinds of 
things.  When you're working in rescue it happens.  I lost one adult and 2 
kittens last summer season.  Popeye was about 11 and we think he suffered a 
stroke, but we really don't know for sure.
   
  take care,
  tonya

Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.
   
  Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.
   
  Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but 
is now dying, they think cancer.
   
  Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows what was or is 
wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo.
   
  Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to 
pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.
   
  They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration (skin 
tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.
   
  Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...
   
  All tested neg/neg for FELV.
   
  Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please 
help me...I don't know what is killing my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet 
with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo!

Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

  A thought:  Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue.  Also 
Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme).  The thing is if you have relatively 
inexpensive things at hand you will feel better.  More prepared and in control. 

  Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like setting 
a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use a 
microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that).  Monkee may just have 
thought they were too cold to eat.   

   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess 
Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim.  He ate 
while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed 
him chicken livers.  He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, 
he ate!  Then he had a BM!!!  And it was a totally normal one.  He hadn't gone 
in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha).  
AND, he's clearly having another good day- he's all bright and perky and he 
was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen).  
So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically.  

Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone got the name!  
People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it 
Monkey.  And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the The Monkee's- the 
band!  He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a 
black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very 
middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has 
the effect of him having a monkey-face.  But I wanted to make it extra cute 
by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a 
kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!).  

-Caroline

Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

Oh my god! Great idea! I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm water! That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it! Yeah, I don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food. If and when I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast. But there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so thank you so much for the tip!

-Caroline 


From: "Marylyn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia IssuesDate: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500




- Original Message - 
From: Marylyn 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue. Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and in control. 

Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use a microwave withDixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have thought they were too cold to eat. 








 If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis

- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues


I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha). AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen). So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically. 


Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name! People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it "Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!). 
-Caroline 

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Re: OT Monkee

Sally,

I was going to admit the same thing, but thought I maybe should let this one 
slide.

Showing my age too.

I remember when the Beatles played across the street from my house when I was a 
child.

I feel older than dirt, but my husband / boyfriend just says, just some dirt, 
honey, you are just older than some dirt

He's an archaeologist, so, that's how he sees it. :)


Glad the Little Monk-ster is mucho better too...


Susan J. DuBose  ^..^
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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws.
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Sally Davis 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:07 PM
  Subject: OT Monkee


  Caroline

  uhhh

  showing my age here.. I had a thing for the Monkee's but not in 
syndicationthe original show.

  I am glad Monkee is feeling better.

  Sally
   


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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

Any chance this is related to the food recall?
- Original Message - 
From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN  creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 

Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
*/Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
my cats

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Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

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Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

Hi Pam! I seem to run into you wherever I go! How are you?
Laurie (aka Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper and Winston)
- Original Message - 
From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me

Was bloodwork the same in all?  What was off?  What was their WBC like, 
the BUN  creatinine, the HCT?  Were they eating well up to the time of 
getting sick?  Any fever? 

Pam

laurieskatz wrote:
I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how 
horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. 
Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha 
were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the 
health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. 
In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a 
likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer.  We did radon 
testing, air quality, mold, etc etc.
Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to 
try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your 
furkids. Is toxo contagious?

Laurie
*/Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens.

Joey - 10 - died in late April.  Being treated for AIHA.

Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently

recovered but is now dying, they think cancer.

Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000.  No one knows

what was or is wrong.  Possible FIP (but she's getting
better), brain cancer, toxo.

Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I

am going to pay it.  Possible FIP, toxo.

They are all 5 and up.  All presented with massive dehydration

(skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss.

Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying...

All tested neg/neg for FELV.

Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and

leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing
my cats

-- 
Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time.

http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

Please help Caroline!

http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline

I GoodSearch for Rescuties.

Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by
searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com
http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!

vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella

Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are what my 
vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more lethargic 
the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. She is 
still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her anemia is 
non-regenerative. 
Thanks
Laurie

Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues

You would have thought of it but you are extremely stressed.  That is why I am 
being so detailed on some things.  I know how I am when my little friends are 
having problems.  

Be very gentle with yourself right now.  Very gentle.  






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:07 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues


  Oh my god!  Great idea!  I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm 
water!  That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it!  Yeah, I 
don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food.  If and when 
I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast.  But 
there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so 
thank you so much for the tip!

  -Caroline 





From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500


  - Original Message - 
  From: Marylyn 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM
  Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues


  A thought:  Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue.  
Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme).  The thing is if you have 
relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better.  More prepared and 
in control.  

  Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like 
setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use 
a microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that).  Monkee may just have 
thought they were too cold to eat.   








   If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
   from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who 
   will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: Caroline Kaufmann 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues


I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess 
Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim.  He ate 
while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed 
him chicken livers.  He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, 
he ate!  Then he had a BM!!!  And it was a totally normal one.  He hadn't gone 
in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha).  
AND, he's clearly having another good day- he's all bright and perky and he 
was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen).  
So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically.  

Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone got the name!  
People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it 
Monkey.  And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the The Monkee's- the 
band!  He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a 
black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very 
middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has 
the effect of him having a monkey-face.  But I wanted to make it extra cute 
by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a 
kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!).  

-Caroline 



  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  




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Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella

Look at the information Caroline has re anemia.  It may not apply to the 
specific kind Isabella has but the food--raw chicken livers and lean, raw 
hamburger (yuck)--may make her feel better.  So may the supplements.  Check 
with her.

A personal note:  Doxy makes my stomach very upset and I need lots of 
probiotics when I am taking it.  I have to believe it does the same to a cat.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: laurieskatz 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:28 PM
  Subject: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella


  Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are what 
my vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more 
lethargic the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. 
She is still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her 
anemia is non-regenerative. 
  Thanks
  Laurie

Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella

I think the meds are a wise choice.  I hope she responds to the treatment?  Any 
hope that he will give her Epogen?

:)
Wendy
 
Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 9:36:39 PM
Subject: Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella


Look at the information Caroline has re anemia.  It may not apply to the 
specific kind Isabella has but the food--raw chicken livers and lean, raw 
hamburger (yuck)--may make her feel better.  So may the supplements.  Check 
with her.
 
A personal note:  Doxy makes my stomach very upset and I need lots of 
probiotics when I am taking it.  I have to believe it does the same to a cat.   
 
 
 
 
 
 
 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
- Original Message - 
From: laurieskatz 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:28 PM
Subject: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella


Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are what my 
vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more lethargic 
the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. She is 
still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her anemia is 
non-regenerative. 
Thanks
Laurie


   

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Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella