Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
Sharyl, Thank you for helping these cats, I went through a very similiar situation with a colony around the corner from me (where my Laura came from). It was about 50 cats and kittens, that had been inbreeding for 10+ years before the man who was feeding them (he couldn't afford vet care) got removed from the house he where he was basically squatting. About 1/3 of the cats had FeLV, and most of them also had the herpes virus so we had several blind and partially blind catsit was a nightmare. For what it's worth, I think you are doing the right thing, and agree with both you and Diane. And again, thank you for caring for these cats. Laura --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:54 AM You are right Diane. Right now neither Daisy or Mae appear to be actively sick. They are about 9 months old. They eat, play and sun themselves like any other 9 mo. old kitty. They live in the woods behind an old dumpster site and are the 1st to come running every afternoon at feeding time. Sharyl --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Rosenfeldt, Diane [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:44 AM Sharyl -- Best wishes to you and to all these babies. Whatever future they have is already brighter with you taking such good care of them. About Daisy, I guess I would say that if in the future she looks like she's actively sick, bring her in and, if you can't afford to keep her, do the kind thing so she's not out there suffering. I'm not of that disposition either but no matter what, they shouldn't suffer. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue. Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+. They are about 9 months old now and are doing well. Both have test positive twice. Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her. The kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them. I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut. The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier. Daisy has since been spayed and released. The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food. It appears that Mattie will be blind. She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty. I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+. No idea what 3 verys mean. CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye. Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy. I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food. I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus. They will each be tested when I have them spayed. Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them. Didn't know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this. Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, tested negative. I did not have Daisy tested. I knew I could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive. At least she will not have any more litters. There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for TNR. Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
thank you! Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
My cat will eat this new kd the best (it is a wetter creamier formula). The problem is that they cannot keep it in stock. Hill's keeps selling out of it! The vet's office and I are both furious with them. My cats won't eat any of the other vet. formulas they have (canned). They'll eat anything dry. I'll look up the phosphorous binders. thank you! t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] ot-next problem
My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it. Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
And thank you for the prayers. I just wish I were retired as well! lol. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
thanks. i had him going on the pill pockets until i added the amoxy and the baby aspirin. it was just too much and he started hiding from me. :( t thank you for the link. I went through this with another cat about 4 years ago (hyper-t) but she didn't hide from me. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it.Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
lol. i was still a member, just set to no mail. doh! Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Tonya, I don't belong to this group. It is listed in the Links on the Assist Feeding Group. Feline Hyperthyroid (also Hypothyroid welcome) http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/?yguid=167334211 Some folks have good luck with Pill Pockets. Most vets carry them. Pets Mart may as well. Mine caught on the 2nd dose and now avoid them like the plague. Pequita would get hysterical and foam at the mouth whenever I tried to pill her. But she loves Gerber 2 Chicken and Gravy baby food. I crush her meds, dissolve them in 1-2 cc of water and add them to a couple of tsp of Gerbers. She laps it right up. Shaft really needs the Tapazole to get his thyroid regulated. If Pill Pockets don't work try the baby food. Any meat variety works just make sure it doesn't have onions or garlic in it.Also the Gerber 2 Chicken and gravy has 100 calories per jar so it would help with the wt issue. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:26 AM My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Tonya, with a Crea level of 2.5 most kitties can drink enough to maintain adequate hydration so I wouldn't stress out about giving him fluids. Just add a little water to his canned food and put lots of bowls/glasses of water around for him to drink from. I give fluids solo also. Pequita will lay in my lap for the fluids. Some put their kitty in the bathroom sink on a warm towel. And some use the bottom half of the carrier. Just a matter of finding out what will work for the two of you. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 1:27 PM His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low' for a crf cat. or better yet give me brand names?? thanks in advance. tonya___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
it IS you, i thought it was my imagination! this is my FRIEND!!! oh, joy, oh, happiness, oh, never mind, you guys will NEVER understand! MC On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharyl, since I am new to this site...I can offer little in the way of advise right now. I just wanted to thank you for everything you are doing for them! Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! -- Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:44 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue. Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+. They are about 9 months old now and are doing well. Both have test positive twice. Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her. The kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them. I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut. The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since been spayed and released. The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food. It appears that Mattie will be blind. She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty. I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+. No idea what 3 verys mean. CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye. Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy. I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food. I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus. They will each be tested when I have them spayed. Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them. Didn't know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this. Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, tested negative. I did not have Daisy tested. I knew I could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive. At least she will not have any more litters. There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for TNR. Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies -- Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] slight positives v very very very positives?
there's no such thing as very very very, or very very or very positive, or faint positive: there is positive, or there is negative. give me a couple of days and i will even be able to give you the reference from a far more reputable source than myself, because i just found it for sure the other day. i believe the wording, as some of us have less elegantly stated it before, was that the spot responds with coloration, or no coloration. if you've never seen a snap-type ELISA test, it might not make that much sense, but it's a little piece of paper that has dots in different places that are treated to respond to different antigens or antibodies or test solution: it doesn't measure how MUCH, or how RECENT, or any of that, it just says that yes, that particular whatever IS there. i have never seen, anywhere, any reference to the color having any quantifiable value, especially considering the nature of the test: you HAVE to read the dots at a specific time period after the test is started, or it is not valid, as the paper can continue to react past that time. so if the FeLV circle has NO COLOR at 10 minutes or whatever the specific test specifies, the test result is NEGATIVE. ten minutes later, for those vets who forgot to set the timer (doing snap tests incorrectly is one of the top ten mistakes vets admit to) that same circle may actually show color. the cat is NOT positiive, because the accurate testing period is OVER. so a light spot at 10 minutes is as positive as a dark spot at 10 minutes is, either -- it's the existence of color, at the specific time that counts. do vets not realize this? i'm not sure. i don't remember the last time i read the idexx instructions, but they're pretty detailed, and i don't think they were unclear. so i'm not sure if vets are trying to cushion the blow, knowing that one should never take the results of a single test, especially an ELISA, as the final determinant, they haven't read the instructions themselves in years, or well, it LOOKS lighter, and they've just forgotten whatever they knew about the underlying science of the test. . On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue. Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+. They are about 9 months old now and are doing well. Both have test positive twice. Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her. The kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them. I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut. The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since been spayed and released. The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food. It appears that Mattie will be blind. She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty. I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+. No idea what 3 verys mean. CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye. Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy. I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food. I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus. They will each be tested when I have them spayed. Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them. Didn't know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this. Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, tested negative. I did not have Daisy tested. I knew I could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive. At least she will not have any more litters. There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for TNR. Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
just wondering if you are working with alley cat allies, and following their protocol re: testing and releasing/treating FeLV cats? my understanding is that they do not endorse euthanizing positive, asymptomatic cats, so testing daisy would only give you some health information. i believe they have a really good explanation for how they've come to their decisions re: testing--i am also very aware that their decision regarding this is controversial. all the of the experienced feral rescuers i know personally, however, whether they have specific experience with FeLV or not, have said the same thing: we do NOT kill healthy cats just because they MIGHT get sick at some point. what a concept! and also not sure what you mean when you say the cats have tested positive--using which tests? how far apart? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue. Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+. They are about 9 months old now and are doing well. Both have test positive twice. Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her. The kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them. I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut. The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since been spayed and released. The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food. It appears that Mattie will be blind. She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty. I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+. No idea what 3 verys mean. CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye. Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy. I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food. I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus. They will each be tested when I have them spayed. Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them. Didn't know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this. Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, tested negative. I did not have Daisy tested. I knew I could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive. At least she will not have any more litters. There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for TNR. Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] slight positives v very very very positives?
I totally agree with you on this MC It's either positive or negative! In a message dated 7/19/2008 11:54:02 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: there's no such thing as very very very, or very very or very positive, or faint positive: there is positive, or there is negative. give me a couple of days and i will even be able to give you the reference from a far more reputable source than myself, because i just found it for sure the other day. i believe the wording, as some of us have less elegantly stated it before, was that the spot responds with coloration, or no coloration. if you've never seen a snap-type ELISA test, it might not make that much sense, but it's a little piece of paper that has dots in different places that are treated to respond to different antigens or antibodies or test solution: it doesn't measure how MUCH, or how RECENT, or any of that, it just says that yes, that particular whatever IS there. i have never seen, anywhere, any reference to the color having any quantifiable value, especially considering the nature of the test: you HAVE to read the dots at a specific time period after the test is started, or it is not valid, as the paper can continue to react past that time. so if the FeLV circle has NO COLOR at 10 minutes or whatever the specific test specifies, the test result is NEGATIVE. ten minutes later, for those vets who forgot to set the timer (doing snap tests incorrectly is one of the top ten mistakes vets admit to) that same circle may actually show color. the cat is NOT positiive, because the accurate testing period is OVER. so a light spot at 10 minutes is as positive as a dark spot at 10 minutes is, either -- it's the existence of color, at the specific time that counts. do vets not realize this? i'm not sure. i don't remember the last time i read the idexx instructions, but they're pretty detailed, and i don't think they were unclear. so i'm not sure if vets are trying to cushion the blow, knowing that one should never take the results of a single test, especially an ELISA, as the final determinant, they haven't read the instructions themselves in years, or well, it LOOKS lighter, and they've just forgotten whatever they knew about the underlying science of the test. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE _http://tazzys.org/_ (http://tazzys.org/index.html) _http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/_ (http://www.hurricanepetsrescue.org/) OTRA VERIFIED TRANSPORTER (On The Road Again) Terrie Mohr-Forker **Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr000520) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem. I doubt it would work with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff. Gary - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem thanks. i had him going on the pill pockets until i added the amoxy and the baby aspirin. it was just too much and he started hiding from me. :( t thank you for the link. I went through this with another cat about 4 years ago (hyper-t) but she didn't hide from me. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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He won't come to me to eat canned food anymore. :( t gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem. I doubt it would work with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff. Gary - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem thanks. i had him going on the pill pockets until i added the amoxy and the baby aspirin. it was just too much and he started hiding from me. :( t thank you for the link. I went through this with another cat about 4 years ago (hyper-t) but she didn't hide from me. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to clip a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t *Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t *Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. *About Phosphorus Binders*http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/YPOBSKUAe1vSPaTzsC-nOdsOnf1_BdpafMc7lF7n0MekqT8MJ1znNQJYUtw2iWwm5igm5xzkJUzGvwA7SJkR6g/Tiny%20URLs%20that%20work%21/About%20Phosphorus%20Binders * * http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org http://www.felinecrf.org/ The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group as well. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ Let me know if you need any other info. Unfortunately my life had revolved around CRF kitties for the last 2 1/2 yrs. Sharyl --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 10:11 AM can anyone tell me what numbers are considered to be 'low'
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen...Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
okay, everyone, in harmony now, GET A NEW VET! it's a major problem now that cats are living long enough for it to manifest! if you like the vet, keep him for vaccinations and things, but if he doesn't know about this yet, he's not whom you need for your dear. as ever, objectively yours, MC On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen... Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! -- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t -- Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it!http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
LOL, MCyou NOE I lubs yu!Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:38:09 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies it IS you, i thought it was my imagination!this is my FRIEND!!! oh, joy, oh, happiness, oh, never mind, you guys will NEVER understand!MC On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sharyl, since I am new to this site...I can offer little in the way of advise right now. I just wanted to thank you for everything you are doing for them!Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:44 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue. Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+. They are about 9 months old now and are doing well. Both have test positive twice. Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her. The kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them. I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut. The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since been spayed and released. The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food. It appears that Mattie will be blind. She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty. I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+. No idea what 3 verys mean. CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye. Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy. I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food. I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus. They will each be tested when I have them spayed. Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them. Didn't know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this. Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, tested negative. I did not have Daisy tested. I knew I could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive. At least she will not have any more litters. There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for TNR.Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more!___Felvtalk mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org-- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors!Maybe That'll Make The DifferenceMaryChristine _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspxmkt=en-us___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
What is he eating? Gary - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem He won't come to me to eat canned food anymore. :( t gary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never had a problem with any cat by crushing amoxi tablets in food. Had one cat on tapazole crushed in food with no problem. I doubt it would work with the aspirin, pretty bitter stuff. Gary - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem thanks. i had him going on the pill pockets until i added the amoxy and the baby aspirin. it was just too much and he started hiding from me. :( t thank you for the link. I went through this with another cat about 4 years ago (hyper-t) but she didn't hide from me. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3281 (20080718) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
If you can crate him and cover his crate with a sheet sprayed with Feliway it might helpmaybe put Rescue Rememdy in his water. On Jul 19, 2008, at 10:26 AM, catatonya wrote: My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
MC, I think you mean Tanya's web site where they use clothes pins. Here is the link. http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick Usually folks just have to use the clothes pins for the 1st few times. Here is another link for giving Sub Q fluids that was my bible when I 1st started. He explains everything in detail and has some great pictures. Sophia has now crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:25 PM i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to clip a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. About Phosphorus Binders http://tinyurl.com/37nye Dr. Nagode's dose recommendations are toward the bottom. Unfortunately most vets do not understand the impact high phos has on a CRF kitty. Most will try to sell you Epakitin which is pretty worthless for high phos nos. You can buy the aluminum hydroxide on line. No Rx required. Tanya's web site is the most comprehensive I have found for CRF. www.felineCRF.org The largest Yahoo CRF group is here. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-CRF-Support/ Eating is often an issue for a CRF kitty. Just like FeLV+ kitties it is critical for CRF kitties to eat enough to maintain their ideal body wt. There is a Yahoo
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Debbie, if your vet doesn't think cats get hyperthyroidism then you desperately
need to find a new vet. Here is a link to more info.
http://www.marvistavet.com/html/thyroid.html
Most folks start out treating with meds to see how the cats responds. Some
will be candidates for radiotherapy. Be aware that may cats are dx with CRF
after the thyroid issues are resolved. Hyper T tends to hide CRF.
Sharyl
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Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby
Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point,
but she wouldn't listen...
Debbie (COL)
You gotta bloom where you're planted!
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so
sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was
leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as
soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as
well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on
some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.
Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down
him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides.
Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He
doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on
Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better.
Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am
quickly losing my mind. la la la la.
t
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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
I completely agreeI have had three cats over the years who had this disease. And many people I know have also had cats who suffered from it. Can't imagine a vet not knowing. - Original Message - From: Sharyl To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Debbie, if your vet doesn't think cats get hyperthyroidism then you desperately need to find a new vet. Here is a link to more info. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/thyroid.html Most folks start out treating with meds to see how the cats responds. Some will be candidates for radiotherapy. Be aware that may cats are dx with CRF after the thyroid issues are resolved. Hyper T tends to hide CRF. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:52 PM Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen... Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! -- Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t -- Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
If he has had the run of the house crating him may feel like punishment to him. I give mine safe places. When they are in their safe place I don't mess with them. I also make a point of picking them up for some love every time we cross paths. I don't want them to think the only time I pick them up is for meds. I'm short on space so I have storage tubs under the beds eliminating that as a hiding space. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 5:23 PM If you can crate him and cover his crate with a sheet sprayed with Feliway it might helpmaybe put Rescue Rememdy in his water. On Jul 19, 2008, at 10:26 AM, catatonya wrote: My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
that's the one! thanks i had seen that quite awhile ago, and then forgotten about it, because i don't have any cats who fight me for fluids--but i got a huge kick out of their being a scientific research paper done on it, talking about which nerves were involved, whether the cat really seemed to mind it, and which type of clip worked the best On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC, I think you mean Tanya's web site where they use clothes pins. Here is the link. http://www.felinecrf.org/giving_sub-qs_syringe.htm#clothes_peg_trick Usually folks just have to use the clothes pins for the 1st few times. Here is another link for giving Sub Q fluids that was my bible when I 1st started. He explains everything in detail and has some great pictures. Sophia has now crossed the Rainbow Bridge. *Sophia Gets Her Subcutaneous (Sub Q) Fluids*http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/4GOCSC_B3Ism0gLqPzrsf_kkO7p7g3FDsWjq8ebMn6u5w80feOlTQ2dZ2g6lRtoA8yFufP4fiIo37FymFOD5Xw/Tiny%20URLs%20that%20work%21/Sophia%20Gets%20Her%20Subcutaneous%20%28Sub%20Q%29%20%20Fluids * * http://www.tinyurl.com/63max Sharyl --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:25 PM i THINK it was on this list that i first saw the reference, and i'm pretty sure it's on one of the big crf sites--hopefully someone here can help. there's a page that shows how to clip a cat in the same way that momcat's scruff them, to immobilize them, and make it possible to hydrate them by yourself. earlier this year, winn feline foundation (www.winnfelinehealth.org) actually did research on this technique, using a variety of commonly found household clips, so that you do NOT have to go out and buy the cat-specific one i can't find ANYTHING these days, so hopefully someone else saves these things in a more logical way. On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His creat is 2.5. He will come to me and let me stick him, but then he struggles to get away. Maybe I should try putting him in a carrier? Most of the pages I saw had 2 people to help, and I don't have anyone here but me. t *Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Tonya, you just do what you can do. For a CRF kitty with a Crea value in the high 3's daily fluids are generally needed to maintain adequate hydration. Add water to the canned food to increase his water intake. Set out lots of bowls of water in various places to encourage him to drink. Mine love to drink from a bowl in the bath tub. For me fluids take less than 5 minutes from start to finish but I do not warm the fluids. Never did and mine are fine with that. But each kitty is different as to what they will tolerate. Could you manage EOD (every other day). In the end we do what we can and hope for the best. Luckily I'm retired. Between my CRF Pequita, Sissy and Rocket with FeLV+ quarantined in my bedroom and Daisy's 4 FeLV+ babies quarantined out in the garage my 2 healthy kitties don't get much attention right now. And I have a dumpster colony I feed daily and am trying to set up a TNR program for. Obviously your Mom and Grandmother take priority. I'll say a prayer for both of them Sharyl --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: From: catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 11:20 AM Thank you so much Sharyl, I ordered some of the phosphorous binder. I hope it helps. Both you and Belinda said you didn't think I should be giving fluids only once a week. how many times a week do you think I should give them. Daily is just not doable. I have 3 very sick cats, plus a sick grandmother and very sick mother to take care of right now.. I know I'm making excuses, but I can only do what I can do.. t *Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: Tonya, I always say the best food for a CRF kitty is the lowest phos canned food they will eat. Generally the target is less than 1% (dry matter). Here is a link to a list of foods and the dry matter phos levels. http://webpages.charter.net/katkarma/canfood.htm You vet should have several prescription renal foods. Mine refused to eat any of them. What is your kitty's phos level? If it is over 6.0 you can add Dried Aluminum Hydroxide Gel to the canned or dry food. It is a very effective phos binder but it has to be in all the food you cat eats. By adding the binder to the food you reduce the amount of phos the cat absorbs from the food. Binders do not do anything about the phos currently in your cats system. Just gives you cats kidneys a break while they process what is already there. Here is a link to more info on binders. *About Phosphorus
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
LOL, MC! But absolutely correctamundo. At one point we had two hyper-t cats, and they took the same pills (tapezole/methimazole) in different dosages. We used to keep whole, half and quarter pills pre-cut in 3 separate pill bottles. Pill splitting day was like an exercise in higher math... I can't imagine a vet not knowing about hyper-t in cats!! But the upside is it's pretty treatable and the pills aren't outrageously expensive, if you go the pill route. I understand it can also be compounded into a cream and rubbed onto their ears but my vet doesn't think it's as effective that way. Diane R. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem okay, everyone, in harmony now, GET A NEW VET! it's a major problem now that cats are living long enough for it to manifest! if you like the vet, keep him for vaccinations and things, but if he doesn't know about this yet, he's not whom you need for your dear. as ever, objectively yours, MC On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen... Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! _ Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t _ Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try http://spaces.live.com/spacesapi.aspx?wx_action=createwx_url=/friends.aspx mkt=en-us it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
Thanks MC for explaining the ELISHA test. I had Mattie tested when her Mom. Daisy, was spayed. A lady here on the Eastern Shore drives up to MD once a month to a vet who does low cost spaying for rescues. She doesn't know anything about FeLV and just relayed the vets comments. Sissy and Rocket have had two ELISHA tests 4 months apart. When I 1st rescued them and again when they were spayed. Since they were FeLV+ I went with the local high cost vet for the spaying. Didn't want them stressed any more than necessary. I plan to have the IFA test done late this yr. Both are currently the picture of health and tired of being quarantined in the bedroom. I have read the info on the Ally Cats web site. I agree that healthy cats should not be PTS. The Yahoo Rescue group I belong to feels that TNR kitties should not be tested as long as they are healthy when spayed/neutered. Like the military 'don't ask, don't tell' philosophy. The exception is any cat that will be placed for adoption. There were 5 kittens in Sissy and Rocket's litter, One vanished. One, Daisy, has been TNR and I have one, Mae, to go. No idea who their Mom was. I haven't see any likely candidates around the dumpster site. With 3 negative inside cats I just can't take them all in. I think I have lined up a forever home for 2 of the babies, Bright Eyes and Houdini, in a home with FeLV+ cats. Since Mattie is blind and Capt.CJ only has sight in one eye, I'll keep them. So far I have just had Mattie tested. No reason not to believe all 4 babies are positive. I will have them tested when they are spayed. Maybe, since they are no longer nursing and eating well, they can kick it. Thanks for your input. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 2:59 PM just wondering if you are working with alley cat allies, and following their protocol re: testing and releasing/treating FeLV cats? my understanding is that they do not endorse euthanizing positive, asymptomatic cats, so testing daisy would only give you some health information. i believe they have a really good explanation for how they've come to their decisions re: testing--i am also very aware that their decision regarding this is controversial. all the of the experienced feral rescuers i know personally, however, whether they have specific experience with FeLV or not, have said the same thing: we do NOT kill healthy cats just because they MIGHT get sick at some point. what a concept! and also not sure what you mean when you say the cats have tested positive--using which tests? how far apart? On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sharyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue. Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+. They are about 9 months old now and are doing well. Both have test positive twice. Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her. The kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them. I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut. The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier. Daisy has since been spayed and released. The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food. It appears that Mattie will be blind. She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty. I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+. No idea what 3 verys mean. CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye. Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy. I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food. I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus. They will each be tested when I have them spayed. Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them. Didn't know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this. Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, tested negative. I did not have Daisy tested. I knew I could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive. At least she will not have any more litters. There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for TNR. Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Thanks for the linkI printed it out and will mail it to the vet.Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 15:10:28 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem Debbie, if your vet doesn't think cats get hyperthyroidism then you desperately need to find a new vet. Here is a link to more info. http://www.marvistavet.com/html/thyroid.htmlMost folks start out treating with meds to see how the cats responds. Some will be candidates for radiotherapy. Be aware that may cats are dx with CRF after the thyroid issues are resolved. Hyper T tends to hide CRF. Sharyl --- On Sat, 7/19/08, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problemTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 4:52 PM Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen...Debbie (COL)You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-ussource=wlmailtagline___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
Our 19 year old was diagnosed with this almost a year ago. He hasn't gained any weight back from what I can tell but he had suffered from itchy skin which has resolved since putting him on medication. He has very little muscle mass on him and is generally having issues associated with being very old: senility, deafness etc, but we think being on thyroid medication has helped him a lot. We have the pharmacy make it into a transdermal which is easily given to him inside his ears. He thinks he's getting an ear massage and enjoys it. As for it not being as effective, our vet felt the pills would be better, but the pharmacist explained to me the difference between the two and in her opinion the transdermal way is more effective. She's an aminal pharmacist as well as a human one so I trust her. I divide the dose in two and give it to him twice a day. Lynne - Original Message - From: Diane Rosenfeldt To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem LOL, MC! But absolutely correctamundo. At one point we had two hyper-t cats, and they took the same pills (tapezole/methimazole) in different dosages. We used to keep whole, half and quarter pills pre-cut in 3 separate pill bottles. Pill splitting day was like an exercise in higher math... I can't imagine a vet not knowing about hyper-t in cats!! But the upside is it's pretty treatable and the pills aren't outrageously expensive, if you go the pill route. I understand it can also be compounded into a cream and rubbed onto their ears but my vet doesn't think it's as effective that way. Diane R. -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem okay, everyone, in harmony now, GET A NEW VET! it's a major problem now that cats are living long enough for it to manifest! if you like the vet, keep him for vaccinations and things, but if he doesn't know about this yet, he's not whom you need for your dear. as ever, objectively yours, MC On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Debbie Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question...is hyper-t hyper thyroid??? It is what I suspected with my Baby Ruben...but the vet says cats don't get thatI tried to argue the point, but she wouldn't listen... Debbie (COL) You gotta bloom where you're planted! Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 08:26:08 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight. Everyone here has been so sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was leaving for a week's vacation). I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as soon as I got back. That's what it was. The vet detected a heart murmer as well. He is an estimated 18 years old. He had a fever and the vet put him on some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course. Problem. He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down him. I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides. Should I stress him out with the chase down? Crate him for a while? He doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on Monday. We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better. Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice? I am quickly losing my mind. la la la la. t Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine __ NOD32 3282 (20080719) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 3282 (20080719) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] low phospherous foods
Yes I did that with Fred he would turn around and bite me, so we did the clothes pins. He didn't get all mellow and happy BUT he couldn't reach me to bite me so after using the clothes pins for a week or so he just gave up and decided to give in. Now I just go pick him up and carry him to the couch, we do the fluids and the second I shut the roller off stopping the fluids he is gone, but he is good while we are doing them, just lays there. Every once in a while he'll still make a half hearted attempt to get up before we are done but all I do is put my hand on his chest and tell him not yet and he lays back down. Of course Fred has been getting daily fluids for almost 2 years now!! -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem
We discovered Freds early CRF when we were checking him for hyper-t, barely hyper-t also, we were watching him for that because he had a very tiny bump there, but his thyroid test was normal, including the TFree4. Once my vet felt like it had gotten a bit bigger we tested again and he was very slightly hyper-t. He had the radio iodine treatment and his CRF did initially get worse but has since stabalized, his last blood work in March was very close to normal. Most folks start out treating with meds to see how the cats responds. Some will be candidates for radiotherapy. Be aware that many cats are dx with CRF after the thyroid issues are resolved. Hyper T tends to hide CRF. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://www.bemikitties.com HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://www.hostdesign4u.com ForYouByUs.com [custom printing] http://www.foryoubyus.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
