Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
Dorlis, Yes they ask for a donation to support the kitties left to them but it is up to the individual - no set amount per cat. Here is the link to their web site. http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/ Check out the Safety Net program. Sharyl --- On Sun, 8/30/09, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Alice Hanson alicehans...@msn.com Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 5:02 PM do they ask for donations when you send a cat there or do they leave that up to you? i was thinking of taking out a small life policy to go with my babies when the time comes. make them the beneficiary. dorlis Alice Hanson alicehans...@msn.com wrote: It is a good place, Sharyl. One of my beloved kitties, Milo, lives there. They send you pictures and newsletters too. You made the right choice. Alice - Original Message - From: Sharylmailto:cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 7:53 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary I had the opportunity to visit the CW Rustic Hollow Shelter in IA. Looking for a forever home for my cats when I die. They have a excellent set up with multiple houses/buildings/barns. Each building is heated and has air conditioning. Most windows have an attached screened-in enclosure so the kitties can enjoy the nice weather. There are several TVs in each building running kitties videos. Most of the buildings are old but it is obvious the kitties are well loved. In addition to a paid staff, volunteers come in every day to feed the kitties and scoop the litter boxes. The rooms had hand me down furniture for the kitties to lounge on. It isn't the Ritz but everything was clean. They have a board of directors and plans in place to keep the facility going if/when something happens to the original owners. Most importantly they will take FeLV+ kitties and other special needs kitties. I am having my will changed so my cats will go there when the time comes. I sponsor one of their kitties with neurological issues. Here is the link to their web site if anyone is interested. http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/http://www.rustichollowshelter.org/ Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMULAN
Alice, Gentle hugs for Schatzi, Jack, Buster and Oni. I know how heartbreaking it is to lose them. I've lost 5 positive rescues this year, four from the came litter and feel your pain. I understand your desire to do anything you can to help Rosie and Murphy. Please let us know how they do with the shots. I'll light a candle tonight for your babies. Sharyl --- On Sun, 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMULAN To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 1:54 PM After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives-These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing healthy cats into former FELV+ cat household
if you go to the cornell vet school site, you'll find the research from last year about active virus being found in dried secretions up to a few days after having been, expressed. this research is being used all over the country as yet another reason to kill FeLVs, tho the professionals i've spoken to affirmed my reading that it has no real meaning outside of a a trivia challenge: we have no clue how much virus is required to infect another cat, but for many years it's been recognized that it required, persistent, prolonged contact. and i've yet to hear how some cat is supposed to go find a syringe, locate the active virus in some dried sample someplace, rehydrate it, and then inject it into another family cat's bloodstream. (i keep seeing an image of a big maine coon sneaking about at night, trying to do this with a polydactyl paw) the, when it dries, it dies, was the standard for years, even tho it wasn't actually 100% true either--there was research showing the virus could IN RARE CASES exist up to a couple of hours after leaving the cat. what this shows, however, is the reality that even the most open-minded vet--ie, those who don't just treat FeLV with euthanasia--cannot possibly be up to date on everything affected every species. that's an impossibility--human docs can't keep up with one species, after all. those of us with a great investment, then, are often more up-to-date than veterinarians are about any rare condition. (and while FIV and FeLV may be the most common fatal feline illnesses, most common does not mean that they are actually common or prevalent.) so sharing knowledge goes both ways. On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 6:36 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: my vet said the virus dies when it is dry. just to be sure, wash down with clorox. maybe not the scratching posts since they are usually not washable. wash everything down with cclorox and set out in the sun to dry. doggone...@doggonefit.com wrote: Hello everyone, After many years of rescuing positives, we have been a catless home for a few months and have made a difficult decision to adopt a healthy cat. Can anyone help with decisions on what should stay and what shouldn't? For example, scratching posts, cat carriers. I know there are many different opinions on how long the virus lasts, how well disinfectant work, etc. I would greatly appreciate any help! Thanks! Heidi --Original Message-- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org ReplyTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] spaying and neutering Sent: Jun 12, 2009 9:18 PM was just on one of my bead websites and someone had asked what colors of Swarovski crystals to use to represent the different cancers (awareness ribbons). i checked it out from curosity and found that the orange ribbon 2 or 3 cancers plus CAT SPAYING AND NEUTERING. we have a ribbon to put on our cars for our furbabies. dorlis ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] PA Sanctuary
Maybe it is not such a bad idea if checking out a sanctuary to ask how long the cats typically live. As well as how they are funded and what happens to the cats should something happen to them, etc. _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
I do hope that Autumn gets better with the LTCI. If she comes back by any means from a HCT level of 4%, it will be quite a feat. Just a couple of comments. First, as far as I have seen, there is very little science to back up Imulan's claims. There have been no real trials, just short term, limited and sometimes not well controlled or documented, experiments. Second, if they are more than happy to talk to you, they have changed their ways since I called. When I called (some months ago) they would not discuss any technical info with me and when my vets office called they wouldn't discuss it with anyone but the vet himself. I would love it if they would run a real trial, but I fear they are now making so much money as things are right now, they will never do it. They just ran a very short (couple of months) trial of using LTCI on cats with the dry form of FIP. There is a lady on the FIP list that had several of her allegedly FIP positive cats in the trial. The criteria for getting a cat into the trial excluded cats with some of the most common symptoms of dry FIP and did not even require complete blood work. They seemed to concentrate on a feline corona virus titer test, which, even the company who makes it admits does not diagnose FIP, it is only an indicator. For Autumn's sake I hope it works. There have been reports of it helping and reports of it not doing anything noticeable. Gary -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:25 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection(Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time responding to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to be sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about asking what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of us look 'bad' it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C W Rustic Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar with our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat to a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats except those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time and are building a sixth one this fall. But your ideas are so 'right on' about visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas. Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5 years and lost one this summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV kits and sometimes no matter how much you do for them, the end result is the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the quantity and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C W Rustic Hollow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
Thanks for writing about sanctuaries Carmen. You are better at articulating the major points than I was. Anyone traveling through northern IA should stop in for a visit at CW. What really impressed me was the accomodations made for special needs kitties. Sharyl --- On Mon, 8/31/09, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net wrote: From: Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 5:53 PM I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time responding to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to be sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about asking what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of us look 'bad' it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C W Rustic Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar with our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat to a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats except those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time and are building a sixth one this fall. But your ideas are so 'right on' about visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas. Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5 years and lost one this summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV kits and sometimes no matter how much you do for them, the end result is the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the quantity and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C W Rustic Hollow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Along with LTCI, we also use Prednisolne. Our cats HCT stays within normal limits, from 9% to 42% Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:24 AM, jbero tds.net jb...@tds.net wrote: Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection (Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped-they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
i've been mentioning for years that we, who are on the front lines of this, should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so that all the correct questions ARE asked each of us has different ideas of what is important, and it's so important for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary setting, and a forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both sides... if we could pull together something that was realistic, then it would be possible for local people to do some of the early footwork. we just CANNOT believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a website. nor can judgments be made on places that don't have the time to make a fancy one-- we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose of coming up with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it a place to figure out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and surer MC On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote: I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time responding to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to be sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about asking what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of us look 'bad' it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C W Rustic Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar with our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat to a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats except those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time and are building a sixth one this fall. But your ideas are so 'right on' about visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas. Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5 years and lost one this summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV kits and sometimes no matter how much you do for them, the end result is the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the quantity and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C W Rustic Hollow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries
When I had this insane thought that I'd rehome my 2nd FELV + cat, the late great Romeo, I learned that its not easy--particularly over the phone. But the ONE thing that seemed to work real well is a vet reference. I found vets, or rather the office manager, pretty clear in their assessments. The scary thing is that there were a couple of people who asked about adopting him who sounded great on the phone but when I talked to their vet, the horror stories gave me the chills. And the other side of the coin is that those folks who got great vet references clearly were known to their vet for following up and giving good care. Of course, the problem is when you have a potential adopter who does not now have a pet or a current vet. But one thing I learned in doing postKatrina reunion work, if you get somebody to talk about their pet or a pet they used to have, you get a real good sense of their attitudes. If they don't include in their conversation all those little things about a pet that we all know about--those tiny little things that make our pet unique (what they like to eat, what they like to play with, where they sleep, what they do when they're mad, what funny sounds or gestures they make, etc.)--then they weren't too attentive and the potential for a future adoption dims. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter http://www.flickr.com/photos/sbpshelter/sets/72157603921945483/ -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 8:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (FeLV talk) Sanctuaries i've been mentioning for years that we, who are on the front lines of this, should write up a home visit protocol for sanctuaries, so that all the correct questions ARE asked each of us has different ideas of what is important, and it's so important for folks to recognize the difference between a sanctuary setting, and a forever spoiled-housecat home. so input is needed from both sides... if we could pull together something that was realistic, then it would be possible for local people to do some of the early footwork. we just CANNOT believe what a website shows, because anyone can make up a website. nor can judgments be made on places that don't have the time to make a fancy one-- we could make a thread that is specifically for the purpose of coming up with questions to ask, and things to look for, and make it a place to figure out how to do this finding-a-place thing easier and surer MC On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Carmen Conklin cwshel...@wildblue.netwrote: I am a member of this list who doesn't get a chance to spend time responding to posts, but I would like to encourage those looking into sanctuaries to be sure to visit them if at all possible and that is a great idea about asking what happens to the cats or the sanctuary if the founders die or can no longer care for the animals. That is an essential part of questions to ask all sanctuaries as there are a lot of them out there that make the rest of us look 'bad' it seems. I am the director and co-founder of C W Rustic Hollow Shelter in Iowa and I know Laurie and MC and Sharyl are familiar with our work and we always tell people if they are thinking of taking any cat to a rescue or sanctuary they absolutely should go themselves or send someone they know to check it out. We have solid plans to continue past us and our board would make the decision at that point to not take any more cats except those who are planned to come here when it is time, or to go ahead and continue the sanctuary as it is now. We have five buildings at this time and are building a sixth one this fall. But your ideas are so 'right on' about visiting places and finding out the plans for their future. Great ideas. Also, our FeLV areas have cats that are over 5 years and lost one this summer who was 18 and had one other live to be 19 years ago. That's the exception not the rule, however. Five years is a critical period for FeLV kits and sometimes no matter how much you do for them, the end result is the same. Our philosophy is it is 'quality of their lives, not the quantity and that is what we strive for. Carmen and furballs at C W Rustic Hollow ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Imulan and Autumn update
Jenny it is wonderful to hear that Autumn is recovering. I am praying that TCLI will get her through this. We'll all be waiting for her progress reports. I know that many vets are suspicious of treatments outside of their parameters. My vet was turned off Imulan by their inability to give her data on clinical trials. If Autumn continues to improve and recover from deaths door, we will all celebrate with you and there will be hope for all our cats. Jane On Aug 31, 2009, at 11:24 AM, jbero tds.net wrote: Hello everyone, I wanted to give you an update on Autumn and the TCLI injection (Imulan). When I brought her to the emergency center last Tuesday, she was starting with respiratory distress and crying out. Her hematocrit was 4%. She was on her way out. She got the transfusion - they called me about 1/4 of the way through and told me they didn't think she'd make it. She did. Since she's been home, each day her energy is improving. I got the second injection of TCLI and administered it on Saturday. Everyday she's looking better. She's sitting up, walking and drinking independently. This may only be the effects of the transfusion, so I am holding off judgement for now. I will be getting a CBC this week to see what we're dealing with. In the meantime, I am praying, and have her on Ambrotrose (a glycoprotein supplement thought to help in the fight against felv), vitamin supplements and intermittently transfer factor. She hemolyzed (destroyed) many of the red blood cells after the transfusion as she turned yellow (jaundice - secondary to breakdown of hemoglobin) but clinically her energy is improving and her alertness returning. I will keep you updated. I pray that there is hope in this injection. It seems to me that the science is pretty sound. Most vets aren't aware of this product and have a lot of suspicion surrounding any treatment to felv+. It is reasonable since their vet school training told them it was a fatal and untreatable disease. Most of us have experienced that first hand. I had to search long and hard to find a vet that could help me, but if you call Imulan directly they are happy to talk with you or your vet. I have nothing but good experiences with them so far. We shall see, good luck everyone. Jenny On 8/30/09, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: After hearing about this product-I called our vet here in Sacramento and she agreed to order it for us. I want to try it because we lost the 4th kitty this morning-my son drove him to UC Davis emergency early this morning because he was struggling to breath and crying out. Out of the 5 kittens in the litter-Schatzi is the 4th brother to pass in 41/2 months-he just turned a year old this month- we even tried a transfusion that Jack had a reaction to and was euthanized (over $1500). Buster, the first to die-screamed out...Oni died in Corey's arms. I still have the sister, Rosie and another cat-Murphy, the tuxedo polydactyl that was dumped into the feral colony that the litter came from-he was positive also. So why do I want to try this product? I have HOPE that it may prolong Rosie and Murphy's lives- These 6 have been on antibiotics most of their lives-Finally now it's been a good month and a half without them, maybe we've turned a corner. We have upped them to Interferon 2x a day. When the FeLV switch gets tripped- they just crash so fast. If we can postpone it for months or years.that's great. We are down to 2 cats left out of 6-we have cried rivers of tears, and spent over 6 grand-and we weren't cat people a year ago. How do we know it will work? We don'tbut if we don't try, no one will know. What I do know is that Rosie is due to die soon-being from the same litter, she is due to crash with anemia like all her brothers. But I have HOPE, otherwise I should just euthanize the last 2 now and call it a day. Rosie and Murphy are racing up and down the hallway and up the cat trees right now-they are healthy (appearing), loving and happy. They are a year old-I think they deserve to live longer. Alice, Rosie and Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My New Kitty
My positive is at least 10 years old. --- On Fri, 8/7/09, D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com wrote: From: D.S.Louis delain...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My New Kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 3:05 AM She is a lover...sleeps by my husband's legs at nightthere are no children in the house.She has a playmate...he is 3 but is as mellow as can be Thanks for the encouragementbut there was no way I would return her to the pound or have her put to sleep... We named her Samara which means Companionand that is what she will be A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: From: Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My New Kitty To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 11:08 PM You may have her a lot longer than you think. Dixie stayed with me 3 years and there are others who have had pos cats a lot longer than that. Keep her as stress free and as well fed as you can and she may reward you with many, many years.I pray so. Bless you for making the right decision for this little one. On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:31 AM, D.S.Louis wrote: Brought my new kitty home from the pound on Sat and found out this morning she is Feline pos. WE were given the choice to return her or have her put to sleep..orbring her home.. WE decided to bring her home...Although we may only have her for a short time...She will be loved and cared for with no regrets She is a beautiful Siamese..and about 2 yrs old...and gas all ready brought much joy to our lives... Cherokee A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
