Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow

2009-11-25 Thread Sharyl
Tracy, there is always a risk with any surgery for any cat.  Not a big one but 
it is there.  It is safer to have Bacca spayed after she is out of heat.  I 
have had 8 FeLV+ girls spayed with no issues.  None were in heat.  All were in 
good health when they had the surgery.  They went to a low cost spay clinic for 
their surgery. 

The biggest issue was keeping them crated for a couple of days after the 
surgery.  They really didn't like that.  All were rescued ferals and I knew I 
wouldn't be able to keep them quiet unless they were in a crate. 
Hugs to Bacca
Sharyl 

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 From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] scratchy meow
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 9:57 PM
 Her name is Bacca.  I am from
 the south and my fiance found her on a
 tobacco farm at work one day with goopy eyes.  Down
 south, people call
 tobacco bacca and she is golden in some spots like the
 leaf.
 I had an appt for her friday to be seen but i am going to
 wait til she
 is out of heat and get her spayed.  She is playing and
 just ate an
 entire container of wet food.  I am scared of getting
 her spayed
 because the last vet made such a big deal out of the eye
 surgery and
 how the anesthesia could kill her.  I am going to go
 in and talk to
 the vet as well.  I did get a new
 one.   They seem more reasonable as
 I have taken several other animals of ours there and things
 have gone
 well(crossing my fingers that it will continue).
 Thank you all for responding!
 
 


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-25 Thread Lance
I am not a vet, but I would be surprised if either
Liquid DMG or Transfer Factor would be a problem
when giving prednisone or another steroid. They
are both supplements and not really in the same
category as interferon, LTCI or something like that.

Best wishes for you and Wolfie.

Lance

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:37 -0800, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hi Lance,
 
 Thanks for all the info.  I'm familiar with LTCI but not as much with
 some of the others you mention.  I definitely plan to ask the internal
 med at Cornell to look into these.  We are definitely considering LTCI
 but the pred is the sticky part.  Neither one of us want to take him off
 of the pred for something that has no research backing up that it works. 
 She read all the research and had several others review it.  They all
 agreed the science sounds reasonable but there are just so many problems
 with the paper.  I have yet to read it myself but plan to.  That is
 probably the one option I'm leaning towards.  
 
 I also heard Neupogen mentioned somewhere and plan to ask her about that
 one.
 
 Amy
 
 --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
  From: Lance lini...@fastmail.fm
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 11:08 PM
  Hi Amy,
  
  I'm sorry to hear about Wolfie. I don't have most of my
  email handy, so
  I can't look back at what you've written. Have you tried
  Transfer
  Factor?
  What about Liquid DMG? These are affordable supplements,
  and they *seem*
  to have helped in the case of my FeLV+ girl, Ember. DMG
  especially 
  *seems* to have little possibility of any negative
  consequences. When
  I've seen wbc issues in Ember, I've *seemingly* reversed
  some losses
  with these supplements. Please note how I use the word
  *seem*. 
  
  Neupogen might be an option. It's something I'm keeping in
  mind, 
  but I don't know much about it, other than it helps with
  wbc generation. 
  I believe some folks have used ImmunoRegulin in similar
  situations to
  yours 
  and had good results. Maybe the archives will shed some
  light on that. 
  And I could be wrong, but I seem to remember Epogen helping
  in non-regen 
  anemia, though that makes absolutely no sense. Again, the
  archives will
  hopefully help.
  
  LTCI might help with wbc generation. I'm seeing lots of
  mention of it
  on the list, but I'm very leery of it. We FeLV+ caregivers
  are so eager
  for anything that might help, but the marketing Immulan has
  engaged in
  has been questionable. Of course, that doesn't mean that it
  doesn't
  help,
  but the company haven't done enough proper tests to provide
  real
  reassurance
  that their product works. It's good that we're getting
  anecdotal
  evidence
  on the list, but that only goes so far. 
  
  Finally, I wonder if Pet Tinic might not help the rbc that
  Wolfie is
  able
  to produce. It's really just nutrients and nothing terribly
  unusual...
  mainly iron, I think. 
  
  Obviously, when it comes to any of these options, please
  consult your
  vet.
  
  My hopes and prayers for Wolfie's health, and for your
  ability to find
  something that might help his blood counts.
  
  Lance
  
  On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 19:01 -0800, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  wrote:
   I've posted before about my cat Wolfie.  He's 7
  years old and has been
   losing weight for the past 4 years.  His HCT is
  also down (currently 25).
    We've treated for hemobart and retested and he's
  now negative (was
   positive before).  He has started gaining weight
  and has put on a pound
   but I'm sure the leukemia is in his bone marrow. 
  He's been tested and
   has non-regenerative anemia.  He's been stable
  for a few months but his
   WBC, RBC, and platelet counts are all gradually
  declining.  I was
   expecting him to crash when I got the confirmation of
  non-regenerative
   anemia but he's holding his own.  I was told he's
  probably making red
   blood cells in his liver or spleen, just no longer in
  the bone marrow.  
   
   Has anybody ever had luck with LTCI or any of the
  other things mentioned
   once it has gotten to this point?  I've done all
  sorts of testing for
   digestive issues, lymphoma, IBD, etc.  We have
  made a couple trips to
   Cornell and decided to just keep him on pred and
  monitor trends for now. 
   I keep hoping for some miracle but I know the
  prognosis is not good.
   
   Thanks
   Amy  
   
   
         
   
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[Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Crystal Proper
Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every morning 
and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.

Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Sara Kasteleyn
Crystal, so very sorry he needed to move on.  I've been reading your posts
about your little babies.  You obviously cared so much for the little guy.
Bless you for giving the very best care and all the love that you could.
Sara

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Subject: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every morning
and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.

Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
Crystal


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread MaryChristine
thank you for loving him, and for sharing part of his life with us.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.comwrote:

 Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
 It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
 I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every
 morning and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.

 Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Crystal, I am so sorry you lost Nibbler. Sweetest of Bridge vibes to him,
and hugs to you. We have all been where you are now. Bless you for giving
him so much love while he was here.

Diane R.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 12:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every morning
and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.

Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
Crystal


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Barb Moermond
I'm so sorry, but so glad that you loved him and were able to give him a 
peaceful passing.
 Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito


My cat the clown:  paying no mind to whom he should impress.  Merely living 
his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. 
- Anonymous





From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, November 25, 2009 12:37:11 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every morning 
and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.

Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
Crystal


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread dlgegg
Crystal, you never really get used t him not being there.  I lost 2 of my 19 
year olds last February an I still half expect to see them coing to greet me in 
the morning.  But new furbabies came to fill my life and heart.  I had 6 and 2 
weeks ago, God gave me 2 crazy babies. He always knows when you need another to 
love, so be on the lookout, 1 or 2 will show up.  I had planned to foster them 
until the vet found a good home for them, even tried not naming them.  Didn't 
work.  The boy is Harley D because he has a motor that sounds like a Harley.  
Still working on the girl.  She has circles on both sides and 2 stripes down 
her back.  she is a tortoise calico.  One more week and they will be old eough 
for their shots which tey have to have since I have 2 positives.  In the 
meantime, they are demolishing my father's bedroom.  In the mantime, remember 
that Nibbler has no more pain.  My prayers for you.  Dorlis
 Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
 It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
 I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every morning 
 and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.
 
 Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
 Crystal
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Diane Rosenfeldt
Dorlis --

LOL, I feel your pain! The same thing happened to me, I took in a couple
ferals that I had helped a friend catch in her back yard, COMPLETELY meant
to give them to the Wisconsin Humane Society for adoption after they were
socialized, but when push came to shove I worried too much that they would
be separated because they are such buddies to each other, and I worried
about the girl because she is pitch black, etc. So now we have 2 kittens in
a household of 4 older cats. We named the kits Dumbledore and McGonagall (we
might have named them differently if we'd meant to keep them! It's really
hard to call them!). We are stunned at how easily they have integrated into
the household -- while rambunctious, they are very polite and respectful to
the others, and Dumbles clearly adores our elder, 17-year-old, Luc. Luc gets
annoyed when the kits impede his progress but there's never anything more
than a put-out mew! and a little slap. Even Tribble, our resident
psychopath, is tolerant of stuff from them he would never put up with from
the others, and in turn the kittens don't do the OMG, is THAT the time?
kind of thing that the other cats do when Tribble approaches them. We have
one cat who stays upstairs behind a screen door because he is so terrified
of the downstairs cats, and we want to try him with the kittens. He's
upstairs alone most of the day, and he likes having people around, so we're
hoping the kits would be good company for him. 

Diane 

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dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 1:24 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Crystal Proper
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

Crystal, you never really get used t him not being there.  I lost 2 of my 19
year olds last February an I still half expect to see them coing to greet me
in the morning.  But new furbabies came to fill my life and heart.  I had 6
and 2 weeks ago, God gave me 2 crazy babies. He always knows when you need
another to love, so be on the lookout, 1 or 2 will show up.  I had planned
to foster them until the vet found a good home for them, even tried not
naming them.  Didn't work.  The boy is Harley D because he has a motor that
sounds like a Harley.  Still working on the girl.  She has circles on both
sides and 2 stripes down her back.  she is a tortoise calico.  One more week
and they will be old eough for their shots which tey have to have since I
have 2 positives.  In the meantime, they are demolishing my father's
bedroom.  In the mantime, remember that Nibbler has no more pain.  My
prayers for you.  Dorlis
 Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Just wanted to let everyone know we had to let Nibbler go today.
 It was the hardest thing I have ever done.
 I'm not sure how I am going to get used to him not greeting me every
morning and getting to say goodnight to him in front of the fireplace.
 
 Thanks everyone that has helped with my questions about him.
 Crystal
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Scratchy meow

2009-11-25 Thread Anna Waltman
Hi Tracy,
My vocal 1 1/2 year old positive female, Sylvia, sometimes changes her voice
when she's not feeling well. It drops into a lower register and gets
scratchy, like she has laryngitis. She's spayed. Most of the time she's got
a fairly melodic, medium-pitched meow-- that scratchy voice is what
originally led me to take her to the vet, who tested her for FLV (her third
time being tested)...and she came up positive.

Since then, she's only had that voice change one time, and it was when she
caught a cold from my other (so far negative) kitten, Beatrice. She
recovered quickly and the meow went back to normal.

Cats have a million different ways of communicating with us; this is just
one way Sylvia tells me she's feeling unwell. She also follows me around
more often, begging for attention, and gets irritable with Beatrice (hisses,
etc). So pay attention to your girl-- if she's still scratchy as she comes
out of heat, pay close attention to her and take her to the vet if something
doesn't seem right. Follow your instincts and pay close attention to hers.

You'll get wonderful advice on this forum. They're a wealth of information
and have been incredibly helpful to me.

All my best to you and your kittycat!
Cheers,
Anna


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Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:36:55 -0500
From: Tracy McLendon tracymclen...@gmail.com
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Hello!  I am new here!  I have a 1 1/2 year old blind FLV cat.  Two
days ago, she started to have an odd scratchy sounding meow.  She also
went into heat about the same time.  She is eating and playing
normally.  Her meow just suddenly changed and sounds raspy, almost
like a parrot.

This is my first experience with a FLV cat.  She is not on any type of
vitamins, she is just like all the other cats, until she started with
this weird meow.  When she went in originally for her eye enucleation,
the vet just said she would be more susceptible to infections and that
she would not live long.

Can someone help me?  Any other signs I should look for?  She seems
normal otherwise but I am such a hyphochondriac for myself and my
animals!  I just want to know if anyone else has experienced meow
changes

Thanks in advance!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Crystal Proper
Thank you everyone. You all are truly very wonderful and caring people.
Nibbler made it to 16 weeks.  He took a turn for the worse a couple days ago.  
Fortunately, he was purring and happy and we got to hold him as he went.  I 
know he is in a better place even though this is the worst broken heart I have 
ever had.  Nibbler is now in Heaven.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread Chris
I'm so sorry for your loss.  Yes, he is in heaven but he's also in that
little corner of your heart reserved just for him...and he'll help you mend
that heart with all those happy memories   

Christiane Biagi

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Thank you everyone. You all are truly very wonderful and caring people.
Nibbler made it to 16 weeks.  He took a turn for the worse a couple days
ago.  Fortunately, he was purring and happy and we got to hold him as he
went.  I know he is in a better place even though this is the worst broken
heart I have ever had.  Nibbler is now in Heaven.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS

2009-11-25 Thread LauraM
Crystal, I'm so sorry about Nibbler. I lost Duncan last summer, Charlotte in 
April and Chutney a few weeks ago. Chutney's passing was a shock because we 
didn't know he was positive. He had tested negative just 6 weeks before he 
died, but then his sister Bridget tested positive, so I know that's what killed 
Chutney. I dropped off some info on LTCI at my vet's office today, and I'm 
hoping we can start Bridget on it soon. Maybe, just maybe, she'll have a chance 
at a somewhat normal life. I'm willing to try anything.
Laura

--- On Wed, 11/25/09, Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Crystal Proper crystal_pro...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nibbler Has Gone On - Please Add To CLS
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, November 25, 2009, 8:59 PM


Thank you everyone. You all are truly very wonderful and caring people.
Nibbler made it to 16 weeks.  He took a turn for the worse a couple days ago.  
Fortunately, he was purring and happy and we got to hold him as he went.  I 
know he is in a better place even though this is the worst broken heart I have 
ever had.  Nibbler is now in Heaven.


      

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Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing

2009-11-25 Thread Amy
Belinda,

I hope Fred is feeling feeling better soon.  Please keep us posted.

Amy

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 From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] WBC/RBC/platelet count decreasing
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:48 PM
     Took Fred in today
 because he is getting weaker and weaker, his HCT is up to
 27.5, so still going up, I think he has a massive infection
 somewhere, he does have an ear infection and is on ear drops
 for that but I think he has a urinary tract infection
 too.  Will have the results tomorrow.



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Reversal of FIP in my six-month-old kitten

2009-11-25 Thread jbero tds.net
I think you all have valid points.  Here are my thoughts.

1.  Overdiagnosis of FIP - this is way hard to estimate because the
diagnosis is difficult to come by.  In fact, the pathophysiology of the
disease is poorly understood so it may actually represent a constellation of
diseases.   In the end, however, the question is treatment.  I think it is
foolish to give a diagnosis of FIP if you are simply going to give up and
put the animal down.  If, however, you have no other explanation and the
clinical signs are highly suspicious then you have to look at the
possibility that it is.  That's what I see happened in this case.  Given
that, what are you going to do.  You have no other explanation, so how do
you treat, do you wait until they die and do an autopsy to prove it's FIP or
do you try something.  I would try something.

2.  Skepticism - I understand skepticism because I have tried and failed on
more than one occassion with difficult viral diseases in cats.  I really get
that.   What I do not understand (and if someone can enlighten me, I would
be open to it) is how someone can see an animal suspected to have FIP,
treated successfully and then say it was not FIP.  How does one know that,
how does one know that they did not successfully treat the
disease?  If someone says the only way to truely diagnose is by autopsy and
the cat survived, prove to me they did not have FIP.  If someone is saying
it's not FIP only on the basis that the cat survived, well that's a useless
statement to me.  The skepticism works both ways - you can be skeptical it
wasn't or skeptical it was.  But in the end the difference is the
treatment.  I know it's not perfect science but medicine never is.

So if you have tested for a number of common diseases, and all but the
coronavirus were negative; there was a familial association, recent history
of stress (spay, neuter, vaccination) in a young cat, and clinical
signs/symptoms of the disease - short of putting the animal down and doing
an autopsy, you've got a good of a diagnosis as you can get.

3.  Medicine in general - Medicine is truely an art.  Every individual is
different.  Every individual responds differently to life, stress, disease
and treatment.  Simply because a treatment works on one animal and not
another does not mean they carry a different diagnosis.  Especially in an
immune related disease.  The spectrum of disease presentation can be broad
and the spectrum of response to treatment can be equally as broad.  Does
that mean we don't try?  I don't think so.  We all fail, it's whether or not
we get back up and try again that determines our character.  High dose
Vitamin C appears to work for some (and there is a good scientific basis for
why if you look into close enough) maybe not for all, but at the very least,
it is an option where there are so few.

I respect all you for your dedication to understanding, treating and
erradicating the diseases that plague these animals.  I know we are all
trying to do what's best for them.  We each may have a different approach
but I am glad to know there are people like all of you with such a desire
and passion to help.  I have learned from all of you.  God bless.

Jenny

On 11/24/09, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 I do think that part of the issue with this fortunate situation, is that
 some of us have seen vets call anything they can't explain, or anything with
 a high corona titer, FIP, and it's frustrating, for lack of a better word.
  I had a lovely healthy Persian kitten that died AFTER spay surgery, a few
 years ago, and the vet said must have been FIP.   I think the vet and his
 assistant probably just weren't careful with her airway after surgery, after
 they put her back in the cage.

 Gloria



 On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Diane Rosenfeldt wrote:

 I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but did want to make one point
 -- just in case it hasn't been addressed previously (although with the
 knowledge base here, I can't imagine it hasn't). So apologies if this is a
 dead horse but: It's been drummed into me that the presence of coronavirus
 alone is not an indicator for FIP since many if not most cats have it in
 their systems. This has been such a cause of panic even among vets who
 should know better and has resulted in so many needless deaths that I
 thought it bore repeating. What causes the coronavirus to mutate into FIP
 is
 a combination of heredity, circumstance, and possibly God having a sh-tty
 day and wanting to punish some innocents.

 All the best vibes to the kitten in question! Hang in there, darlin'.

 Diane R.

 -Original Message-
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 I find the skepticism and questioning surrounding the diagnosis and
 treatment of FIP