Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies.  
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA test 
for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing twice - 
it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more medical to say 
virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. it 
seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are saying 
that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do with the 
virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it can be 
spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of curious.  
This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it don't 
get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like eating after 
another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It takes a long 
time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous exposure for a 
cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said about 30 % of cats 
exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're resistant or don't 
have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are able to extinguish it 
before it gets into their white blood cells or bone marrow.  5 - 10 % put the 
disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% are the ones that get the 
virus and are not able to fight it off and will test positive on the IFA and 
usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed at 
the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone finds 
out let us know.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It would 
 be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and how 
 it works with the virus.
 
 I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to all 
 of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true 
 positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to 
 reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some contract 
 it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not 
 BW. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out anymore, 
 please share :)
 
 Thanks for your input/research!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 
 I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
 didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
 only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
 said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the
 blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see
 exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
  like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  I know it's not
 like an antibody.  I'm not in the medical field so I have to look up a
 lot of stuff.  So is the virus antigen the same as the virus itself?  I
 need to go look that up again to try to understand again exactly what an
  antigen is.  If the virus antigen is in the blood and saliva and the
 antigen is the same as the virus then why couldn't they spread the virus
  if the ELISA test is positive but the IFA test negative.  I've just
 confused myself all over again  ;-)
 
 Interesting enough, somewhere
  else it did say that if there was a latent infection, meaning the virus
  is only in the bone marrow and T-cell lymphocytes (whatever that is), a
  mama cat could infect her kitten in utero or while nursing.  I'm not
 sure if that means that the virus reactivates during pregnancy or if the
  kittens can get a dormant virus.  It's all so confusing.
 
 But, I
 would like to know if the virus can be shed when the ELISA is positive
 but the IFA is negative so if anybody has any thoughts let me know.
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it 

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm 
just sharing with the newbie's.


It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.


Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.


So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.


Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do 
with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.


Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It 
takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.


Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed 
at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone 
finds out let us know.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain



Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
would
be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
how

it works with the virus.

I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
all

of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
contract

it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
BW. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
anymore,

please share :)

Thanks for your input/research!
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the
blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see
exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
 like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  I know it's not
like an antibody.  I'm not in the medical field so I have to look up a
lot of stuff.  So is the virus antigen the same as the virus itself?  I
need to go look that up again to try to understand again exactly what an
 antigen is.  If the virus antigen is in the blood and saliva and the
antigen is the same as the virus then why couldn't they spread the virus
 if the ELISA test is positive but the IFA test negative.  I've just
confused myself all over again  ;-)

Interesting enough, somewhere
 

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

It may be that Sugar was resistant to the virus so it never actually took hold 
in his system.  He had adequate exposure but with a good immune system he may 
not have even gotten it.  The vet that I talked to that has done more research 
on FeLV than most other vets said that the belief now is that most adult cats 
with healthy immune systems are resistant to the virus.  That means it doesn't 
even affect them.  And the ones that it does get into their system are able to 
clear it.  Guess you'll never know for sure if Sugar was resistant to the virus 
or if he did get it but was able to extinguish the virus.  Either way, glad 
he's fine now.

I'm hoping for a cure too.  Sucks that cats can get these kind of diseases and 
die young.

I can't kiss all my fur babies because I'll be hacking up a hairball because 
there are so many of them!!!  The consequences of doing rescue work.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:24:50 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
 
 I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
 it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
 bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm 
 just sharing with the newbie's.
 
 It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
 virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
 that they are working on a cure as well.
 
 Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
 
 L
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 
 An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
 Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
 antigens.
 
 So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
 test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
 twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
 medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.
 
 Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
 it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
 saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do 
 with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
 can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
 curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
 exception.
 
 Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
 don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
 eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It 
 takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
 exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
 about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
 resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
 able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
 marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
 are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
 test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.
 
 Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed 
 at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone 
 finds out let us know.
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
 Twain
 
  Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
  From: longhornf...@verizon.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
  Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
  would
  be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
  how
  it works with the virus.
 
  I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
  all
  of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
  positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
  reach the bone marrow 

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
If they are really positive, not false positive, it IS possible to still
shed the virus; once it's gone into the bone marrow, and confirmed by IFA,
cannot be shed - that's my interpretation.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 7:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I wonder if the cats/kittens can shed the virus if a positive is on an ELISA

test?  That would be so helpful to know, but I read that scientists could 
not determine when the virus actually sheds :(


- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



Those two little babies are so adorable.  I really hope they turn out to
 be negative.  How did you manage to get them to be still to take such
great photos?  When I try to take photos of my fosters for our website
they are too busy playing to sit still for a photo shoot.



I didn't foster the mama kitty or kittens that had FeLV but last I heard
 they waited like a month and a half and did the IFA on the mama kitty
which turned out to be negative.  They did individual snap test on the
four kittens.  Two of the four kittens tested positive on the snap test
and the other two tested negative.  So weird.  They were able to adopt
out the two negative kittens, same home I believe, although they did
tell the adopters about the Mama and the two positive littermates.  The
other two littermates haven't been adopted yet.  I'm not sure about the
Mama cat.  I'll have to e-mail them to find out what's going on right
now.  They really need to re-test the Mama and the two positive kittens
and I don't know if they realize it.  Good thing you sent this e-mail so
 I'd remember to talk with them.



I have this book called The Cat Owner's Home Veterinary Handbook which
 is written by several different vets and I'll write exactly what they
say about testing.  It's a little long so just ignore this next part if
you don't want to know.





Currently there are two tests available to detect FeLV infection.



1.  The IFA test, performed by a reference laboratory, detects virus
antigen in infected white blood cells.  This indicates that the bone
marrow is infected and there is a high probability that the cat is
persistently viremic and is shedding the virus in his saliva, making him
 infective to other cats.  About 97 percent of IFA positive cats remain
viremic for life and never extinguish the virus.

2.  The ELISA test detects virus antigen in whole blood, serum, saliva
and tears.  Blood is the recommended sample for testing.  A rapid
screening leukemia test kit is available for home and veterinary clinic
use.  The ELISA test is more likely to detect weak, early, or transient
infections.



The common practice is to screen for FeLV using the ELISA test.  If
positive, the cat may have a transient viremia from which he will
recover completely, or he may be in the early stages of a progressive
infection.  A positive ELISA test should be confirmed with an IFA test.
 A positive IFA test indicates that the cat is shedding virus and is
capable of infecting others.



The ELISA test should be repeated in 8 to 12 weeks to see if the virus
has been eliminated.  The IFA test should also be repeated at this time
because if the cat was in an early stage of infection, the IFA initially
 may not have been positive but may become so after 12 weeks.





That's the direct quote from the book.  The books also mentions about
latent (dormant) type infections where the cat is able to eliminate the
virus from blood and saliva but the virus still persists in the bone
marrow and in T-cell lymphocytes.  It says over many months the
majority of latent-infected cats overcome and extinguish the virus, so
the incidence of latent infection after three years is quite low.
During this period of latency though it talks about sometimes stress and
 illness can reactivate the virus.  As far as testing to find out if a
cat has a latent virus it says -



Cats with latent infection test negative on both the ELISA and the IFA
tests.  This is because the virus is absent in both serum and white
cells.  The only way to diagnose a latent infection is to remove a
sample of the cat's bone marrow containing the dormant virus and grow
the cells in culture.





Well, that's what the book says anyway.  Not that it is an absolute
authority but most of the other reading seems to say the same thing.
What's funny is that you could have a cat that has a latent infection
and you would never know it unless the virus got reactivated and the cat
 became sick.  So you could do 10 different test on the cat and they
would all be negative but then a year later the virus could become
reactived then the cat tests positive.  I look at 

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the newbie's.

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark 
Twain

 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

 Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
 would
 be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
 how
 it works with the virus.

 I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
 all
 of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
 positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
 reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
 contract
 it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
 BW. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
 anymore,
 please share :)

 Thanks for your input/research!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



 I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
 didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
 only be shedding the virus and contagious if the IFA was positive.  It
 said that the ELISA test for the virus antigen that's in the
 blood, serum, saliva and tears.  I looked up antigen before to see
 exactly what that was,  you know like whether it was the virus itself or
  like an antibody, but I don't remember what it said.  

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Lynda and I were talking about the other kind of shedding, meaning they are 
contagious.  The virus is being shed in their saliva and bloodstream so they 
can spread it to other cats.  Not shedding as in get rid of it.  At least I 
think that's what we were talking about  ;-)   I didn't think about shedding as 
in getting rid of the virus.  Now that you say it though it does make more 
sense to say shed as in get rid of it.  Oops, didn't mean to be so confusing.  
We were just talking about when one cat can start infecting another cat.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:15 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
 When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
 the body gets rid of the virus.
 Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
 
 I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
 it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
 bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm
 
 just sharing with the newbie's.
 
 It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
 virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
 that they are working on a cure as well.
 
 Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
 
 L
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 
 An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
 Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
 antigens.
 
 So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
 test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
 twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
 medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.
 
 Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
 it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
 saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do
 
 with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
 can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
 curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
 exception.
 
 Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
 don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
 eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It
 
 takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
 exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
 about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
 resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
 able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
 marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
 are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
 test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.
 
 Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed
 
 at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone
 
 finds out let us know.
 
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark 
 Twain
 
  Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
  From: longhornf...@verizon.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
  Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
  would
  be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
  how
  it works with the virus.
 
  I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
  all
  of us if we 

[Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Beth
Shedding a virus means they are contagious.

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the newbie's.

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark 
Twain

 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

 Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
 would
 be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
 how
 it works with the virus.

 I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
 all
 of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
 positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
 reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
 contract
 it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
 BW. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
 anymore,
 please share :)

 Thanks for your input/research!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



 I always thought they could spread it if positive on ELISA but the book
 didn't say that so I wonder.  The book made it sound like they would
 only be shedding the 

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Beth
Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives  negatives, too. 
Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They 
even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives 
are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey









Now I remember - we were calling it shedding as in making the cat contagious 
because that's what the book that I quoted called it.  It called it shedding 
the virus into their saliva, etc. 

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 From: molvey...@hotmail.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:31:39 -0400
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 Lynda and I were talking about the other kind of shedding, meaning they are 
 contagious.  The virus is being shed in their saliva and bloodstream so 
 they can spread it to other cats.  Not shedding as in get rid of it.  At 
 least I think that's what we were talking about  ;-)   I didn't think about 
 shedding as in getting rid of the virus.  Now that you say it though it does 
 make more sense to say shed as in get rid of it.  Oops, didn't mean to be so 
 confusing.  We were just talking about when one cat can start infecting 
 another cat.
 
 
 “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
 profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
 
  Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:15 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
  
  Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
  When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
  the body gets rid of the virus.
  Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?
  




  
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought by
their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
shedding in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
infectious during that time.
What a little word can mean.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Shedding a virus means they are contagious.

Beth  

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the newbie's.

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
- Original Message - 
From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark 
Twain

 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
 From: longhornf...@verizon.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

 Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
 would
 be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
 how
 it works with the virus.

 I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
 all
 of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
 positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
 reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
 contract
 it and others don't. Am I making 

Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Ha, ha -

If owning a cat makes you sexier I'm friggin Angelina Jolie because I own so 
many!!!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva while 
their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is positive but 
the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another cat.  My book 
said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect other cats.  It 
didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  It 
didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're wondering at what 
point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to infect another cat.  
Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect the virus then that 
means the virus is in the saliva at that point right, and I would think it 
would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not be correct.  Maybe the 
virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the way through the body and 
has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once the virus goes into the bone 
marrow and white blood cells it changes or mutates into a way that makes it 
contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I guess if the experts don't know then 
I'll never figure it out either.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought by
 their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
 shedding in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
 infectious during that time.
 What a little word can mean.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
 
 Beth  
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
 When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
 the body gets rid of the virus.
 Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
Sorry, I am sexier because I have more cats than my age.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:15 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?


Ha, ha -

If owning a cat makes you sexier I'm friggin Angelina Jolie because I own so
many!!!

I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
  
 
 No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by eating it
up, absorbing it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
knowI will ask my vet next time I see him

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
by
 their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
 shedding in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
 infectious during that time.
 What a little word can mean.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
 
 Beth  
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
 When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
 the body gets rid of the virus.
 Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Edna Taylor

HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name is 
Edna and I am in cat rescue.  Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat lady 
on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;)
 

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Bonnie Hogue
Does owning a cat make you sexier?

Well, judging by the cats clamoring for my attention, I'd say there is
*some* kind of animal magnetism that I exude!
:=)
Bonnie


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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?


HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name
is Edna and I am in cat rescue.  Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat
lady on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;)
 

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
Are your pockets stuffed with catnip or do you rub it all over yourself?
=^..^=

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Does owning a cat make you sexier?

Well, judging by the cats clamoring for my attention, I'd say there is
*some* kind of animal magnetism that I exude!
:=)
Bonnie


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HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name
is Edna and I am in cat rescue.  Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat
lady on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;)
 

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
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 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson
Yes, that is what the discussion was about. My vet's partner at the hospital 
told me since the kitten that I adopted from the HS had a faint positive on 
the ELISA, she was hoping he was not shedding the virus or not much of it to 
infect my cat, Sugar. This was somewhat of the reason for the discussion. 
But the HS kitten was on death's door at 9 mos old :(



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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:31 AM
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Lynda and I were talking about the other kind of shedding, meaning they are 
contagious.  The virus is being shed in their saliva and bloodstream so 
they can spread it to other cats.  Not shedding as in get rid of it.  At 
least I think that's what we were talking about  ;-)   I didn't think about 
shedding as in getting rid of the virus.  Now that you say it though it does 
make more sense to say shed as in get rid of it.  Oops, didn't mean to be so 
confusing.  We were just talking about when one cat can start infecting 
another cat.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain



Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:15 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, 
I'm


just sharing with the newbie's.

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies.
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same 
thing

twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, 
etc.
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts 
are
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to 
do


with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before 
it

can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread. 
It


takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either 
they're
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but 
are

able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30%
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be 
shed


at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If 
anyone


finds out let us know.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without 

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson
Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
better than 0% protection.
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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com

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Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives  negatives, 
too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.


Beth

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From: john pollack bucfa...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!





From: Ana Gutierrez ana...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding

2011-08-03 Thread Beth
This link explains what sheeding a virus means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by eating it
up, absorbing it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
knowI will ask my vet next time I see him

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.


I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
by
 their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
 shedding in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
 infectious during that time.
 What a little word can mean.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
 
 Beth  
 
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 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
 When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
 the body gets rid of the virus.
 Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

OMG - way to complicated for me!!!  


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:09:17 -0700
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
 
 This link explains what sheeding a virus means.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by eating it
 up, absorbing it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
 knowI will ask my vet next time I see him
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
 while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
 positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
 cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
 other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
 is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
 wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
 infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
 the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
 and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
 be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
 way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
 the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
 mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
 guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.
 
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain
 
  Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
  
  So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
 by
  their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
  shedding in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
  infectious during that time.
  What a little word can mean.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
  
  Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
  
  Beth  
  
   Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
   
  
  
  
  From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
  
  Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
  When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
  the body gets rid of the virus.
  Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread LauraM
well, I don't know whether it makes me sexier but I do have a really cute 
boyfriend who has four cats. When I met him he told me he was a cat person and 
not too crazy about dogs. That certainly got my attention since most men have 
felt threatened by my 4-legged family members.  I would say it definitely makes 
him sexier, especially since he's the only person I know who can give a cat a 
bath.


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:46 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 



No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...

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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread Maureen Olvey

Giving a cat a bath, a man  - that definitely takes him to a whole new 
level of sexiness!!!

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:32:22 -0700
 From: hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 well, I don't know whether it makes me sexier but I do have a really cute 
 boyfriend who has four cats. When I met him he told me he was a cat person 
 and not too crazy about dogs. That certainly got my attention since most men 
 have felt threatened by my 4-legged family members.  I would say it 
 definitely makes him sexier, especially since he's the only person I know who 
 can give a cat a bath.
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:46 AM
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
 No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding

2011-08-03 Thread Beth
I've been looking on line for answers. So take these things with a grain of 
salt, esp. since I'm not a vet. But then I'm not sure most vets see enough FeLV 
to really be that knowledgeable about it.

What I've been able to understand from what I was able to  find:
ELISA tests for for FeLV free (unattached to other cells) in the bloodstream. 
This shows initial infection.
The IFA tests for the virus attached to white blood cells (white cells are made 
in the bone marrow, which is where they pick up the virus) This shows secondary 
infection,  is when the cat starts sheddiing the virus  is contagious to 
other cats. I would treat ANY cat testing positive on Either test as contagious.

The article below explains the life stages of the virus.According to this an 
IFA should ONLY be used after a positive Elisa. An IFA run without an Elisa may 
miss the initial stage of infection because it is only looking for FeLV in the 
white blood cells.


http://www.lbah.com/feline/felv.html

I really wish I was still in school  had the time to research  write about 
this subject!

Beth

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From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding


OMG - way to complicated for me!!!  


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:09:17 -0700
 From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
 
 This link explains what sheeding a virus means.
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding
 
  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
  
 
 
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by eating it
 up, absorbing it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
 knowI will ask my vet next time I see him
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
 Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 
 
 That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
 while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
 positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
 cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
 other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
 is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
 wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
 infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
 the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
 and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
 be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
 way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
 the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
 mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
 guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.
 
 
 I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
 profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
 unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
 sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark
 Twain
 
  Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
  From: at...@optonline.net
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
  
  So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
 by
  their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
  shedding in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
  infectious during that time.
  What a little word can mean.
  
  -Original Message-
  From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
  Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
  
  Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
  
  Beth  
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

2011-08-03 Thread CATHERINE DIDONNA
Well. the sexiest living animal was my Momma Tulip. I watched her a couple of 
times,before she was fixed,and she had some moves. The guys didn't have a 
chance.You know Momma Tulip is a cat.

--- On Wed, 8/3/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 11:34 AM


Are your pockets stuffed with catnip or do you rub it all over yourself?
=^..^=

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:11 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?

Does owning a cat make you sexier?

Well, judging by the cats clamoring for my attention, I'd say there is
*some* kind of animal magnetism that I exude!
:=)
Bonnie


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?


HA HA HA, yes people seem VERY surprised when they meet me because my name
is Edna and I am in cat rescue.  Naturally, their minds go to the crazy cat
lady on the Simpsons but that is just not the case ;)


 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:46:31 -0400
 From: at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Off Topic - Does owning a cat make you sexier?
 
 http://www.catster.com/cats-101/does-owning-a-cat-make-you-sexier 
 
 
 
 No, we're NOT a bunch of little old ladies in tennis shoes...
 
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[Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-03 Thread Martha Walton
We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats.
Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.

I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make
sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.

Here's the situation:

*Peaches* (New Cat)
Age: 4.5 yr
Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
vaccination.
Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd feline
leukemia in 2009.
She also had a vaccination in 2010

I have 3 other cats:
All cats will stay indoors!

*Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
Age: 2.5
Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
shot.
Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would rescue a
cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
*However, I rescued another cat.*
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??

*Littlebit*
Age: 11
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

*Lacy*
Age: 6 months
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

What do you think I should do???
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??
Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??

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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-03 Thread Lynda Wilson
Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first shot, 
you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to be 
effective.


It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination against 
FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would keep her 
separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she has had 
two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are all 
current! Your a good momma to be cautious.


I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on this 
forum, but we are not experts :)


Keep us posted.

Thanks,
L
- Original Message - 
From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com

To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question


We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 
cats.

Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.

I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to 
make

sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.

Here's the situation:

*Peaches* (New Cat)
Age: 4.5 yr
Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
vaccination.
Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd 
feline

leukemia in 2009.
She also had a vaccination in 2010

I have 3 other cats:
All cats will stay indoors!

*Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
Age: 2.5
Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
shot.
Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would rescue 
a

cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
*However, I rescued another cat.*
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??

*Littlebit*
Age: 11
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

*Lacy*
Age: 6 months
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

What do you think I should do???
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??
Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??

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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

2011-08-03 Thread Beth
I'm guessing all your other cats have been tested for FeLV? I can't imagine any 
vet or shelter vaccinating for FeLV without testing first. Peaches should 
definitely be tested before letting her near the other cats. If they are all 
negative  never go outside I wouldn't vaccinate them for FeLV. Just be 
vigilant about bringing any new cats in.

Beth

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From: Martha Walton marthawal...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats.
Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.

I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make
sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.

Here's the situation:

*Peaches* (New Cat)
Age: 4.5 yr
Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
vaccination.
Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st  2nd feline
leukemia in 2009.
She also had a vaccination in 2010

I have 3 other cats:
All cats will stay indoors!

*Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
Age: 2.5
Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
shot.
Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors  didn't think that I would rescue a
cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
*However, I rescued another cat.*
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??

*Littlebit*
Age: 11
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

*Lacy*
Age: 6 months
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

What do you think I should do???
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??
Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Lorrie
Four years ago I had a litter of rescued kittens and all but one were
positive on the Elisa.  Two died at less age 4 months, one died at 6
months, one lived to be a year and a half old and then died, but the
last one was always, negative.  He is now 4 years old and still
negative in spite of being with all his positive litter mates.

Lorrie

On 08-03, Lynda Wilson wrote:
 Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
 
 I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
 it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
 bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, 
 I'm just sharing with the newbie's.
 
 It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
 virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
 that they are working on a cure as well.
 
 Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
 
 L

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

2011-08-03 Thread Natalie
Was the mother positive?  Could they have acquired the virus AFTER being
born to a negative mother?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Four years ago I had a litter of rescued kittens and all but one were
positive on the Elisa.  Two died at less age 4 months, one died at 6
months, one lived to be a year and a half old and then died, but the
last one was always, negative.  He is now 4 years old and still
negative in spite of being with all his positive litter mates.

Lorrie

On 08-03, Lynda Wilson wrote:
 Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)
 
 I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to

 it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same

 bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, 
 I'm just sharing with the newbie's.
 
 It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
 virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are

 that they are working on a cure as well.
 
 Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)
 
 L

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