Re: Monkee is gone
Hi. I felt Keisha's presence by my shoulder while I was laying in bed the morning after she died. It was a very strong presence and very comforting. Laurie - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Monkee is gone Caroline, I am so sorry Monkee had to leave this world but he left loved beyond words and in the place he felt safest---your arms. You gave him everything a little cat could want but it was time to leave. Please remember that only his body is gone. He remains very close to you and will visit you if you ask him to. You will feel him close to you just as long as you allow him to be and as long as you are open to visits. They are not dreams and you are not crazy. Many people on this list will tell you about their little friends visiting. Mine do on a regular basis and those that were closest to my heart never really leave my side. They are always there to help. This is not logical but it is very true. If you do not feel confident enough in your own ability to contact Monkee there are people who can help you. Susan can put you in touch with them or, if you can figure out how to e-mail me off line, I can. Bless you and your mother. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:47 AM Subject: Monkee is gone My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with my Mom standing next to my side. At about 2:30 a.m. We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m. I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing. I didn't know he was that bad. I feel so bad. It was so horrible. He was having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by holding him and giving him flower essences. He had begun to have trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like walk around). I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I failed him. He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening. We were on my bed and I was holding him. He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped. When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too. I think the only thing that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took it right away. It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him. I think the rescue remedy helped my breathing at that time. I just held him afterwards and talked to him and pet him and kissed him for about two hours. I told him how wonderful he was and that I would never be the same without him. I walked around the house, sat with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time to hold him while sitting on the front steps. I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's wrenching in half. I feel guilty and traumatized. I am having a hard time erasing the memories of his passing. When I close my eyes, I see his face as he took his last breath. I don't how to recover from that. I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in. I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them the peace and love that they so desperately need. I admire those of you who take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to keep doing the work that you do. My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and your babies. I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I will be praying for you now. I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it. When I found him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago. And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore. It
Re: Contact info for Michael Vick, NFL player
Good research. THIS is how we can help make a difference. Great advocacy, Wendy. Laurie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: OT: Contact info for Michael Vick, NFL player Here are the companies that Michael Vick is a spokesperson for: Nike: http://niketown.nike.com/niketown/info/privacy.jsp?item=privacy EA Sports: http://www.info.ea.com/company/company_prlist.php Hasbro: http://hasbro.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/hasbro.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=31p_created=976734392p_sid=FL1ahWGip_lva=p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9MTkmcF9wcm9kcz0xNCwwJnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0xLjE0OzIudTAmcF9jdj0mcF9wYWdlPTE*p_li=p_topview=1 (this is the best I could find) Rawlings: http://www.rawlings.com/ (best I could find) Kraft: http://www.kraftfoods.com/main.aspx?m=contact_us/cu_form1 Coca-Cola and Powerade (owned by Coca Cola): http://www.coca-cola.com/template1/index.jsp?locale=en_US (click on contact us) Interesting fact: in '05, he was sued by a woman who claimed he gave her genital herpes. She says he knew he had the std because he had been treated for it prior to their encounter at medical facilities under the name Ron Mexico. They settled out of court. He also does a lot of charity work with kids, which is a sick joke to me at this point. Also, Michael Vick is the highest paid NFL player in history, signing a huge 10 year contract with the Falcons in 2004. It will be very important that they hear from their own fans in Georgia, so if you know anyone, pass this info. on. Here is their contact info: http://www.atlantafalcons.com/About/Contact_Us.aspx Have fun! I am! :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 11:15:15 AM Subject: RE: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player Thanks Kat! I haven't been checking my PETA messages or the website lately, so I missed this one. I feel as though I am at least doing something however small. I too am having a really difficult time not wishing the worst on these barbarians. Yes, it's all about the image. They don't care what he's done--they only care how it's impacting them monetarily. Yuck. I hate professional sports even more now than I did before. Melissa -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kat Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 10:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player Melissa, There is something you can do - See the PETA Take Action page Tell the Atlanta Falcons to Punt Animal Abusers off the Team! http://getactive.peta.org/campaign/afalcons_vick It IS incomprehensible on so many different levels, and should not be allowed to be white washed or brushed under the carpet. The fact that the officially released statement reads (in part) We are disappointed that one of our players -- and therefore the Falcons -- is being presented to the public in a negative way, and we apologize to our fans and the community for that. Note - they are NOT apologizing for the actions or the dogfights, just that it is being presented in a negative way!!! I don't ususally wish bad things for anyone, but in this case I do hope he gets the maximum fine AND imprisonment - and then some! Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 18 Jul 2007, Melissa Lind wrote: Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 08:57:28 -0500 From: Melissa Lind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: Severely OT, dog fights and NFL player I know this is very OT, but I couldn't stop crying on the way to work this morning after hearing this on NPR. I'm very hormonal right now, but I think that this would make anyone livid. What is wrong with these people? What happened to them? I don't understand these actions which there aren't even strong enough words for. The story involved the NFL player Mick Vick and his involvement with dog fights. They found something like 70 dogs on his property used for fighting. There are many other atrocities that I can't even mention because I'll start crying again. But, here's the story if you want to listen: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12056318 It makes me feel so helpless and angry and appalled and afraid. Melissa P.S. I'm so sorry this is OT (not even about cats), but I needed to let it out, and I didn't have anyone else to turn to but you guys. No one here at work would understand. Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Isabella update ~ enlarged spleen not lymphoma!
Isabella has been to the specialist. Her temperature was normal and weight the best ever. She has continued to have tremors. She also has a very fast rate of breathing (70-80 BPM). A spine xray revealed nothing amiss. An ultrasound revealed a very enlarged spleen (suspects: lymphoma or red blood cell production). We got the asparate biopsy results and she does not have lymphoma. She is on tramadal, clavamox and prednisone (we switched back from prednisalone because she was frothing). We are going to decrease the pred in case it is the cause of her tremors and or fast breathing (it CAN cause this in dogs). She seems happy except for the tremors. They almost resemble a seizure. If the pred decrease does not stop them, we will try an anti-seizure med. Vet has no idea why she cries out when we touch her or pick her up. More as we learn more. Laurie
Re: Celia Please add to the CLS :(
Our deepest sympathies. Safe travels, little one, to the life where kitties have no pain.Sherry, my beloved Keisha died unexpectely on Saturday, The only way I could find some comfort was to start writing down happy memories. Grief comes in waves. Laurie - Original Message - From: Sherry DeHaan To: Felvtalk Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Celia Please add to the CLS :( We lost another one of our Sids kids today.Sweet Celia was a beautiful calico who was very laid back and never had a mean bone in her body.She will be missed by us all. Sherry -- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
Re: To Laurie
Thanks Wendy. I absolutely will share results. The vet expects them Thursday. My best Laurie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: To Laurie Laurie, I am so sorry about your sweet Keisha. What a wonderful caregiver you were to her. I'm sorry it was so sudden; that must be hard for you. Just know she loved you as you loved her. :) Wendy P.S. If you feel like it, please post the results from the necropsy. You never know when info. might help another furbaby that comes along here. Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
Re: OT: A poem to those who lost your precious soul
this is wonderful. Thank-you. Laurie - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:32 PM Subject: RE: OT: A poem to those who lost your precious soul Thank you. This means more to me than you will ever know. -Caroline From: HIDEYO YAMAMOTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT: A poem to those who lost your precious soul Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:43:11 -0600 Lend Me A Kitten I will lend to you for a while a kitten, God said. For you to love while he lives, and mourn when he's dead. Maybe for twelve or fourteen years, or maybe two or three. But will you, 'till I call him back, take care of him for me? He'll bring his charms to gladden you and should his stay be brief, you'll always have his memories as solace for your grief. I cannot promise he will stay, since all from earth return. But there are lessons taught below I want this kitten to learn. I've looked the whole world over in search of teachers true, And from the folk that crowds life's land I have chosen you. Now will you give him all your love, nor think the labor vain? Nor hate me when I come to take my kitten home again? And my heart replied, My Lord, Thy Will Be Done. For all the joys this kitten brings, the risk of grief I'll run. We'll shelter him with tenderness, we'll love him while we may. And for the happiness that we've known, forever grateful stay. But should you call him back much sooner than we planned, We'll brave the bitter grief that comes, and try to understand. If by our love we've managed your wishes to achieve, in memory of his sweet sweet love, please help us while we grieve. When our cherished kitten departs this world of strife, Please send yet another needing soul for us to love all his life. Adapted from the poem To All Parents, by Edgar A. Guest [1881-1959] http://www.flippysc atpage.com/ lendmeakitten. html -- Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN.
Re: Monkee is gone ~ so is Keisha
Carol, I am so sorry for your loss and pain. Prayers for safe travels for Monkee's soul. Monkee is free now but nothing can compensate for the hole in your heart and life. I know. My beloved Keisha died Saturday completely unexpectedly. She went into respiratory distress here at home. I rushed her to the ER clinic. They put her in the oxygen tank and she appeared comfortable ~ she was not on her side and was no longer open mouth breathing. They planned to keep her in the tank for 2 hours and then send her home. When she went into respiratory distress again, they tried to save her ~ intubated her and gave her CPR but could not. After she died, I held her for 2 hours and stroked her fur.I am in shock and it doesn't seem real. I didn't want to leave her. We are doing a necropsy. She was not feline leukemia positive. May your Higher Power hold you as mine is holding me. Laurie - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: Monkee is gone My beloved cat Monkee passed last night in my arms while I held him with my Mom standing next to my side. At about 2:30 a.m. We were going to take him to Dr. Maier's for euthanasia this morning at 8:00 a.m. I thought he could make it until then and that he wouldn't want to go to a strange emergency vet clinic he'd never been to before for his passing. I didn't know he was that bad. I feel so bad. It was so horrible. He was having some trouble breathing, but I was usually able to calm him down by holding him and giving him flower essences. He had begun to have trouble walking and he would cry at me really loudly when he wasn't able to do something he wanted to do because his brain was not getting enough oxygen (like walk around). I didn't want him to be in pain or suffer and I feel like I failed him. He did go really quick, but I was hysterical as it was happening. We were on my bed and I was holding him. He took a last gasp of air and then he stopped. When his body when limp, I felt like I might die too. I think the only thing that helped me and my mom was that she has rescue remedy with her and we both took it right away. It sounds odd to say that, but immediately after it happened, I felt a sense of peace-- for him. I think the rescue remedy helped my breathing at that time. I just held him afterwards and talked to him and pet him and kissed him for about two hours. I told him how wonderful he was and that I would never be the same without him. I walked around the house, sat with him on the porch he loved so much and took him outside for his last time to hold him while sitting on the front steps. I have never had an animal die in my arms like that and to have it be my best friend-- the best companion I've ever had...my heart just feels like it's wrenching in half. I feel guilty and traumatized. I am having a hard time erasing the memories of his passing. When I close my eyes, I see his face as he took his last breath. I don't how to recover from that. I've never been lonely since I had Monkee and now that he's gone, that loneliness is crashing in. I hope all of you are able to continue to care for your cats and give them the peace and love that they so desperately need. I admire those of you who take care of multiple FelV cats and have lost some in the past and continue to keep doing the work that you do. My thoughts and my prayers are now with all of you and your babies. I felt like I didn't have the mental energy to devote many of my prayers in the past few weeks to any cat other than Monkee, but I will be praying for you now. I also wanted to remind everyone that you never really know the power of what love can do for a cat like Monkee, until you experience it. When I found him, he was a crazy, dirty, little ragamuffin eating doves, baby rabbits, and whatever else he could catch in the courtyard of my law school apartment complex in Northern Ky 4 years ago. And four years and 1 month ago, I couldn't take his living it up in the killing fields- as I called it- anymore. It took so long to get him to be a somewhat normal cat. Something bad must have happened to him because he was already neutered when I found him, so he had to have belong to someone. He was deathly afraid of men and it took until probably about this past year for that fear to almost subside. I don't think anyone else in my life (other than myself) believed that he'd ever be trusting, cuddling, sweet, lfunny, love-bug that he was with me. The first time I turned on my radio and my tv after I had brought him into my life, he freaked out and hid under the bed for hours. After lots of love and being spoiled rotten, and having four years to experience as many things as possible, he had truly become my best friend. He would comfort me when something went horribly wrong in my life and the past 4 years
Re: stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs
yes she is. eating ok, too. more later as I am running out. L - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:19 AM Subject: Re: stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs Is she pooping and peeing ok? On Jul 15, 2007, at 10:07 AM, catatonya wrote: It sounds as if she's having seizures of some sort? Thoughts and prayers coming your way. tonya laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Tonight I thought Isabella was dead when I arrived. She was lying very still under the futon. When I trouched her, she cried out. When I moved her a little closer to me she cried more and seemed very upset. It looked like her legs were having spasms. She moved very slowly and stiffly. She did crouch ~ still under the futon ~ and lick gravy off the canned food. Later, another caretaker went to check on her because I was worried. She called me and said Isabella was dead ~ she was on her back, legs straight in the air. I headed over and she called me back and said she was moving. She eventually came out and walked around, licked gravy and ate a few bites of food. She was her old friendly self, talking and rubbing. Has anyone else experienced these symptoms? Isabella has (short) history of high fever and anemia. She has more recently cut back on food intake despite taking prednisone.I planned to take her in tomorrow for weight and fever check. Vet not there tomorrow so I may wait until Friday for physical exam. Foster mom said she cried out last night when she touched her front legs. Vet plans to put her on an appetite stimulant that you give every 3 days. I don't remember the name. any input greatly appreciated... Laurie
Re: stiff joints ~ Isabella update
We saw the vet yesterday ~ took Isabella in because she seems to be having tremors. She was curled into a ball. Yet, jumped from exam table to sofa with no effort and no crying out. Vet thinks it might be something neurological. I talked a friend who had a feline leukemia positive kitten who exhibited similar symptoms. We did spine xray and nothing revealed there. Vet prescribed pain meds and she is doing better today ~ not constantly shifting position and crying out. She is on clavamox (her temp was 105.7), pain med (tramadal or something like that) and the prednisone derivative (prenisilone or whatever it is). Her weight was top weight for her (9 lbs). She goes to specialist tomorrow for further work up (maybe an ultrasound). We looked back at her history and she did better when on interferon so will ask about re-starting that, too. I will keep posting. Thanks to those who responded. Laurie
Re: stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs
Thanks Belinda. Is that a pain killer or is that the appetite stimulant? Sounds like the latter Does the stiffness come and go? Does he cry out when touched? Thank-you Laurie - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: Re: stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs Sounds like what Fred gets, Mirtazapine, it worked great for him. He gained back all the weight he lost and has maintained it for over 2 months now. It is recommended to start at 1/8 to 1/4 of a pill every 3 days, my vet wanted to start Fred at 1/4 but I decided to try the lower dose first and it was enough for Fred. He is eating good without it now, I've only had to give it to him once in the last 3 weeks or so. his weight hovers around 9lbs 13oz and 10 pounds, he was 8lbs 4oz when he started taking it. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
homemade foods for cats
See: www.catinfo.org and www.catnutrition.org the cat nutrition site tells you everywhere to purchase ingredients. I did this during the food recall. Publications: Home-Prepared Dog and Cat Diets by Donald Strombeck, DVM. Iowa State Press, 1999. ISBN 0813821495 Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs Cats (includes both cooked and raw diets) by Richard H. Pitcairn, DVM Laurie
Re: OT: .for Melissa re diarrhea
Hi. Check out the yahoo IBD group. Great info there. It's possibly a food allergy. You might try the canned foods suggested at www.catinfo.org if making home made feels overwhelming. Depending on size of stool and frequency, the vet should be able to determine if upper or lower intestine and treat accordingly. It sounds like your vet has a good plan. Laurie - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:08 PM Subject: RE: OT: sancturaries for special needs For her diarrhea, the old vet used Metrondiazole and Albon. No parasites were found. The new vet tried new food (Science Diet ID) along with Clavomox. She also dewormed her again just in case. Ashley has gained 2 pounds in the last two weeks since the visit with the new vet, but her poops are the same. Possibly the dewormer helped. I just got off the phone with the vet, and she suggested that we put her back on her regular food that she's used to for 2 weeks. No meds. Then I'll have a stool sample sent to a lab for further testing (once all the meds are out of her system). Then we'll see what could be in her. If that doesn't work, the vet said we might have to do a scope. We'll see. Time will tell. I guess this is really not the time to try to find a home for her. I'm probably the best one to keep her since I know what's going on, what's been done, etc. Maybe I could just find a home for Nonie (healthy) to alleviate the stress. Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 12:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: sancturaries for special needs Also, what has been tried? Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw a nice list the other day, but can't remember where - will have to look. Never heard of FORLs, what's that? Have you tried any of the recipes in Dr. Pitcairn's book for her? Gloria On Jul 13, 2007, at 8:40 AM, Melissa Lind wrote: Hi All, Just wondering if anyone knew of sanctuaries that will take special needs kitties. My poor Ashley (foster kitty) still has diarrhea, and they suspect she has feline odontoclastic resorptive lesions (FORLs). I want to find a good home for her, but right now I'm not able to find anyone around here who'll take on a special needs kitty. I just want her to get as much attention as she deserves. She's not FeLV (tested twice), and she seems healthy otherwise. I don't mind taking care of her, but we have 5 kitties in the house (2 that need homes), and now we're expecting (me, not any kitties). I'm not sure how we'll all fit into the house down the road. There's constant wrestling and fighting all night long (play fighting), and I just need to alleviate a little stress. I love our two foster babies, but I know we can't handle 5 forever (financially or emotionally) until we have a bigger home and more $! Melissa
Re: OT re appetite stimulant
I gave this to my cat Keisha 2 hours ago and she isn't eating, yet. She's been eating less than normal today. I think she has a temp (102.2 ~ vet tech said this is high and vet said it isn't..?) but vet wanted to try the appetite stimulant before trying antibiotics. I am going to have a long night until we see the vet at 10. She is my grannykitty ~ age unknown. Not feleuk positive. L - Original Message - From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 2:52 PM Subject: Re: stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs Sorry Laurie, it is the appetite stimulent (Mirtazapine). Fred is CRF that's why his appetite suffers sometimes, once we got his potassuim and phosphorus where it should be he is feeling MUCH better, no more vomiting or loss of appetite. His HCT is going up and is normal again so the only thing that is a bother right now is his arthritis and he has muscle loss in his right back leg pretty bad. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: cyproheptadine
My mistake re warning ~ just an ask the vet response about using it as an antihistamine. August 2007 Cat Fancy, p 27 cypro works as an appetite stimulant in cats and, in my experience, rarely relieves upper respiratory signs. Sorry for an alarm! Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Appetite issues and Monkee update What did they say? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Appetite issues and Monkee update i just read a warning about using this drug for cats. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Appetite issues and Monkee update
Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
Thanks :-) L - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Hi Laurie, Go to the web page http://www.felineleukemia.org/ Up near the top there is a banner with the word Archives Click on Archives, Click on Search the FeLVTalk Archive Select/click on a date/range to search When the next page comes up, there will be a search box at the top. Enter whatever you want to search on hit search Kat (Mew Jersey) On Thu, 12 Jul 2007, laurieskatz wrote: Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 09:29:07 -0600 From: laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C?
It is the same thing according to the local health food store L - Original Message - From: Melissa Lind To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM Subject: RE: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? I think I posted something about this Brewer's Yeast before-I was wondering if it was the same as Nutritional Yeast which I use on my popcorn, and it contains a warning about the high levels of iron which are dangerous to children (and I assume to cats as well). I've been wondering about giving it to the kitties. Melissa -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jane Lyons Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 2:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Laurie be careful with the Brewers yeast. One of my Scotties developed itchy, bright red ears, as a result of an allergic reaction to it. The minute my vet saw her she asked if I had been using Brewer's yeast. Cats may react differently, but 'heads up'. Jane On Jul 12, 2007, at 2:52 PM, Marylyn wrote: Dixie eats chopped high vitamin C veggies but the tech of a holistic vet I know uses the Wal-Mart brand of tablets and cuts them into 1/4 and grinds them. Start slowly and work up with the vitamin C and with the Brewer's Yeast. If you don't you may get unpleasant side effects. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2007 10:29 AM Subject: Archives? Brewers yeast info? Vit C? Does anyone know how I find archived messages re Brewer's Yeast. I know there was discussion on this and I want to start Isabella on itThe holistic vet I consulted wants us to use Vitamin C, too. What do others use for this? THANKS! Laurie
stiff joints, deep sleep and anorexia ~ Isabella Qs
Hi. Tonight I thought Isabella was dead when I arrived. She was lying very still under the futon. When I trouched her, she cried out. When I moved her a little closer to me she cried more and seemed very upset. It looked like her legs were having spasms. She moved very slowly and stiffly. She did crouch ~ still under the futon ~ and lick gravy off the canned food. Later, another caretaker went to check on her because I was worried. She called me and said Isabella was dead ~ she was on her back, legs straight in the air. I headed over and she called me back and said she was moving. She eventually came out and walked around, licked gravy and ate a few bites of food. She was her old friendly self, talking and rubbing. Has anyone else experienced these symptoms? Isabella has (short) history of high fever and anemia. She has more recently cut back on food intake despite taking prednisone.I planned to take her in tomorrow for weight and fever check. Vet not there tomorrow so I may wait until Friday for physical exam. Foster mom said she cried out last night when she touched her front legs. Vet plans to put her on an appetite stimulant that you give every 3 days. I don't remember the name. any input greatly appreciated... Laurie
Re: Appetite issues and Monkee update
i just read a warning about using this drug for cats. - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:26 PM Subject: Appetite issues and Monkee update Cyproheptadine is also a decongestant, maybe the vet thought it would mask a URI.? - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 8:05 PM Subject: Re: Appetite issues and Monkee update He was on one (Cyproheptadine), but I ran out of it right after his blood transfusion (2 weeks ago). The Vet didn't want to give him anymore/keep him on it in case it was masking anything. I don't know what the H that means. I mean, what could it be masking? Hello? He has cancer and FeLeuk and anemia-- we know all that! Anyway, he gets his primary care now from his new Holistic Vet and we saw her last Friday for the 2nd time. At that time, and all last week, Monkee was eating like a fiend, so she said she'd rather not have him on the stimulant if he didn't need it. She also said Cyproheptadine can cause liver problems (but then again, that's probably the least of his concerns right now...). I have an email and a call into her and I am sure I will hear from her tomorrow, so we'll see. I'm going to look to her to determine if it's time for another transfusion, or if just an appetite stim would help, etc. What's comforting with Monkee though is that he was doing so well last week, eating great; also his Holistic Vet always talks about his strong life force- which, I can admit that sounds funny- but when you see him, you just get it; and finally the fact that he still weighs 12 pounds...all that excess weight that poor cat spent 4 years eating Science Diet Light to lose is really coming in handy now! Ah...the irony. -Caroline
Re: Another vet's research re various treatments
Thanks Kelly. Some vets don't believe interferon works, but so far it seems to be helping Isabella during the 7 days on. I have posted this earlier but I had 2 FELV+ cats who lived to 22 and 16 years. Squeaky (22) was never treated and was asymptomatic until his final weeks (oral cancer killed him). We treated whatever illnesses arose with Stripes, with antibiotics and Vitamin B injections. I don't know if anyone knew about all these other treatments then. Some vets would have recommended EU them. They were very large boys. Squeak was healthy all the time and Stripes was heathly most of the time. Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2007 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Another vet's research re various treatments At 07:36 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote: I am using immuno regulin and Alferon, ( natural interferon) I am not using the Acemamman. My felv kitty has been asymptomatic and these are basically prophylactic treatments, I do know the pred ( and I would probably use the prednisolone) doe help the rbs destruction, depending upon the cause. I used the I.R per protocol initially IV and am now doing .5cc IM q month like they are doing for the FELV cats in the FELV area at Best Friends. Best of Luck kelly  Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Another vet's research re various treatments
Offered as information This was in response to my inquiry about treating with immunoreglin Re: immunoreglin ~ most of the FeLV eexperts feel that it has not been shown to have any positive benefit for cats with FeLV. Examples: My hospital was involved in a nationwide testing of Immunoregulin. The clinical trial was cancelled midway thru the trial because their own clinical staff said things were not looking positive. Immunoregulin is IV, and we used it at 0.5cc once a week. You have to shake the bottle really well to mix thoroughly. There isn't really any downside to it, but it will not help any more than interferon or staph lysate. Your patient needs steroids to help prevent the RBC destruction. In the interim between posting my question and reading your reply, our little cat became acutely febrile (106.3) and was hospitalized overnight on fluids, antibiotics and Interferon. She kicked her fever within 24 hours, and is now home on daily cefadrops with Interferon. We are also going to try Immunoreglin and Acemannan with this little peanut...Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Do you have any experience with Immunoreglin or Acemannan? Neither have been shown to have any demonstrable benefit in controlled studies.
Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations
Susan, great idea. I will check into itthanks for this suggestion, Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations Hi Laura! You might also try the Missing Link food supplement powder. You can purchase it through Drs. Foster Smith, and soem other animal supply websites. OR, the veterinary formula is even better, which I believe, you have to get through a vet. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations Isabella is doing well on the prednisone. She is again purring and kneading and following Lisa around. The hemobartonella test came back negative. Here is an email from a homeopathic vet/friend. I hope others can find some helpful suggestions here Laurie Hi Laurie. This little girl is very sick. I know you probably know this but as a general rule once a FeLV-positive cat gets sick they generally do not return to a normal state of health again. And this cat is sick - her bloodwork is horrible. It looks like your vet is doing everything possible to boost her immune system and get her fever to abate. Prednisone will possibly keep her comfortable for awhile - (which probably should become the primary goal). If Isabella feels better on the prednisone then I would keep her on it. I think doxycycline is probably worth trying - it can cause anorexia but my experience with it has been good (if the medicine is given with water and dosed correctly). It would not hurt to start giving her some supplements in her food - antioxidants and such. A good supplement would be Vitamin C (250mg daily in food). I would also start adding a little plain yoghurt nutritional (torula) yeast (great source of Vitamin B) to the food. Vitamin B helps stimulate appetite in addition to many other great things.If Isabella is not already on a home-made or high quality food (Wellness, Solid Gold, Newman's Own, etc) I would immediately put her on such a diet. I would recommend feeding her the canned form instead of dry food. And I would do whatever is possible to keep her life stress-free.
Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations
Thanks Susan. I offered Missing Link a number of years ago after we visited a holistic vet 2 hours away. Mine all refused it. I wonder about the garlic in it...know I've seen garlic can be toxic to cats. I will check out the internet for Missing Link as well as the feline Transfer Factor we are currently using to see if they have similar ingredients. If not, Ill ask my vet to order ML. Has anyone tried PolyMVA? I used that for another cat a long time ago. We were too late to help him. It has colostrum in it and is used by humans and animals who have cancer. Thanks for your interest in Isabella. I will let you know what I find out. Thanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations Laura, I was @ my vet this morning, so I went ahead and picked up a package of Missiing Link. I have been meaning to try it on my felv+ gang, as well as work it into my other group of kitties eventually. Right now the nonfelv cats just get the brewer's yeast sprinkled on top of their dry food, which again is the Evo mixed w/ Core. Ok, both formulas say veterinary formula on the package. One package is gold, while the professional strength is on a silver package. The professional strength says it is for Recovery Detoxification. This is only available @ the vet's. I didn't have time @ the vet office to compare both packages to see what the ingredient difference was. But listed they have probiotics, carrot alfalfa powder, yeast, freeze dried beef liver, kelp, dandalion root, garlic, yucca as well as spirulina. I am interested most in the spirulina, I take that and I believe it helps me. A friend of mine had a felv+ cat that she gave spirulina to years ago, and the vet was amazed that he threw the virus. Hard to tell if he was just one of those cats that does, or if the spirulina actually helped. Another friend had a kitty that ate some of the bad pouch Nutro food that was going around, and went into renal failure @ the age of 3 years. He recovered after 2 weeks @ the vet and lots of sub Q's helped, but she also mixed up a batch of spirulina and some other things for him to get. She gave it to him orally, it was a liquid. Not sure how he is doing, I need to call her and see what it is that she was giving him. I paid $21. for one pound of supplement,must be kept in the fridge after opening use within 90 days. I will let you know if I see any difference in my felv+ cats, which as of now (knock on wood) are not symptomatic. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations Susan, great idea. I will check into itthanks for this suggestion, Laurie
Re: Isabella update and homeopathic recommendations
Isabella is doing well on the prednisone. She is again purring and kneading and following Lisa around. The hemobartonella test came back negative. Here is an email from a homeopathic vet/friend. I hope others can find some helpful suggestions here Laurie Hi Laurie. This little girl is very sick. I know you probably know this but as a general rule once a FeLV-positive cat gets sick they generally do not return to a normal state of health again. And this cat is sick - her bloodwork is horrible. It looks like your vet is doing everything possible to boost her immune system and get her fever to abate. Prednisone will possibly keep her comfortable for awhile - (which probably should become the primary goal). If Isabella feels better on the prednisone then I would keep her on it. I think doxycycline is probably worth trying - it can cause anorexia but my experience with it has been good (if the medicine is given with water and dosed correctly). It would not hurt to start giving her some supplements in her food - antioxidants and such. A good supplement would be Vitamin C (250mg daily in food). I would also start adding a little plain yoghurt nutritional (torula) yeast (great source of Vitamin B) to the food. Vitamin B helps stimulate appetite in addition to many other great things.If Isabella is not already on a home-made or high quality food (Wellness, Solid Gold, Newman's Own, etc) I would immediately put her on such a diet. I would recommend feeding her the canned form instead of dry food. And I would do whatever is possible to keep her life stress-free.
Re: Isabella update
Marylyn, I think there is a holistic vet in another city fairly close by. I will try to find out. Also, a vet in another city who helps with rescue kittys has some holistic training but can't call herself holistic because she hasn't stayed current.I will email her today. Please tell me what doesn't make sense...does the pred seem like the wrong thing? I didn't sleep very well last night thinking about how frightened Isabella was and how I was not able to comfort her. I know some vets comfort and talk to kittys. My vet does not do this. He has other wonderful qualities. This my third life threatening and mysterious illness this year with kittys and I feel numb with fear. I am blessed by the survival of the other two. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Some of this makes no sense to me (only in light of experiences with my own critters--not saying he is wrong). Dixie got hot spots that were raw, not abscessed, and they caused a bunch of problems. I wish you had a holistic vet close by..just to have another style practitioner take a look. I am so sorry you both are going thru this. I know how totally frustrating it is and how helpless you feel. You can give probiotics without causing harm. I don't know if they would do any good but they might with the lethargy. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up
Re: Isabella update
Good idea. I have some here. I just spent some time with her. She is great today. Walking around and raising her back up to be petted. Happy girl today. Have not seen this for awhile. Happy girlS (Isabella, foster mom Lisa and me) today! L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Isabella update Please consider trying Rescue Remedy when she is going to the vet's. And take some yourself (honest--if you are calm, she will be a little calmer too) If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up to 104.9 from 104.2 a week ago. Her 7 days on interferon ended last night. She was very quiet at the vet's and shivering the entire time. The vet said she looked worse than last week to him. We started prednisone, gave fluids and a Vitamin B shot. When we got home she ate a good serving of canned food. Vet wants to touch base on Thursday for next steps. I decided agst doxy at this time because it can cause appetite issues and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for all the suggestions which I have shared with my vet. Laurie
Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella
I won't give anything that will effect her appetite. A kitten we rescued had anorexia which we finally attributed to one of the meds he was taking. The one thing we have going in our favor is she is still eating. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:58 PM Subject: Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella The note on the Doxy was not to discourage the use just to make sure the side effects are noted and coped with.especially the intestinal disturbances. A diarrhea can cause all sorts of problems in an immune compromised cat and an upset stomach needs soothing so she can eat and gain/retain weight. I have no comment on the selection of the meds themselves. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: wendy To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella I think the meds are a wise choice. I hope she responds to the treatment? Any hope that he will give her Epogen? :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 9:36:39 PM Subject: Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella Look at the information Caroline has re anemia. It may not apply to the specific kind Isabella has but the food--raw chicken livers and lean, raw hamburger (yuck)--may make her feel better. So may the supplements. Check with her. A personal note: Doxy makes my stomach very upset and I need lots of probiotics when I am taking it. I have to believe it does the same to a cat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are what my vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more lethargic the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. She is still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her anemia is non-regenerative. Thanks Laurie Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
Re: vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella
Thanks for all the input. I appreciate it.Our vet compounds and flavors the doxy. I have also consulted the internal medicine specialist and am awaiting her reply. I find that everyone (vets) has a different opinion about what to do for feleuk+ kittys who are symptomatic. Isabella's fever yo-yos which makes it hard to know what to do next. I have some probiotics here..Good reminder. Thank-you L
Isabella update
Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up to 104.9 from 104.2 a week ago. Her 7 days on interferon ended last night. She was very quiet at the vet's and shivering the entire time. The vet said she looked worse than last week to him. We started prednisone, gave fluids and a Vitamin B shot. When we got home she ate a good serving of canned food. Vet wants to touch base on Thursday for next steps. I decided agst doxy at this time because it can cause appetite issues and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for all the suggestions which I have shared with my vet. Laurie
Re: Isabella update
Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up to 104.9 from 104.2 a week ago. Her 7 days on interferon ended last night. She was very quiet at the vet's and shivering the entire time. The vet said she looked worse than last week to him. We started prednisone, gave fluids and a Vitamin B shot. When we got home she ate a good serving of canned food. Vet wants to touch base on Thursday for next steps. I decided agst doxy at this time because it can cause appetite issues and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for all the suggestions which I have shared with my vet. Laurie
Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Perfectly said. Thanks for this. I try so hard not to let my kittys see me cry or upset when someone is sick. Laurie - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:16 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues You will know when Monkee is ready to leave this world. It may be today or in 10 years. You are not God and neither am I.we can't see the future. Every one of us dies ...sorry. That is the way the system works. Just don't live your life looking at death. First, it isn't a bad thing and second, you are wasting lots of really good fun time fearing Death. Monkee knows this and is probably trying to teach you much as the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and others have tried to teach me. People are basically very hard headed..just ask our little friends. The stories Dixie could tell you!! Relax. Spend wonderful time with Monkee and find and keep a vet that respects you. I have been very lucky that way. I hope Susan is that vet for you. If not, keep looking. He or She does exist for you. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute details, but I have now had two bad conversations with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the transfusion would wear off and we need to plan accordingly. Basically, he and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too bad! I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a bad day on Saturday where he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a really good day and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and no hope outlook for Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem ready yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be palliative care, I want it to be positive palliative care. I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation where he crashes due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept happy. Dr. Maier immediately sent
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Any chance this is related to the food recall? - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Was bloodwork the same in all? What was off? What was their WBC like, the BUN creatinine, the HCT? Were they eating well up to the time of getting sick? Any fever? Pam laurieskatz wrote: I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer. We did radon testing, air quality, mold, etc etc. Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your furkids. Is toxo contagious? Laurie */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me
Hi Pam! I seem to run into you wherever I go! How are you? Laurie (aka Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper and Winston) - Original Message - From: Pam Norman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Something is killing my cats, please help me Was bloodwork the same in all? What was off? What was their WBC like, the BUN creatinine, the HCT? Were they eating well up to the time of getting sick? Any fever? Pam laurieskatz wrote: I am so sorry to hear about your situatio and can only imagine how horrible it must beI freaked when I had 3 diagnosed with asthma. Teddy died of lung cancer secondary to asthma and Frankie and Keisha were diagnosed with asthma within a year of his death. I called in the health dept and they did extensive testing and made some suggestions. In the end they pointed a finger at the Alpine air cleaner as being a likely cause or contributor to Teddy's lung cancer. We did radon testing, air quality, mold, etc etc. Keep looking. It could be coincidence but I agree with your steps to try to find a common cause. My thoughts and prayers with you and your furkids. Is toxo contagious? Laurie */Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: This is the toll so far from this year, not including kittens. Joey - 10 - died in late April. Being treated for AIHA. Lucky Lady - 12 - got sick, was adopted by my vet, apparently recovered but is now dying, they think cancer. Caroline - ran up a bill in excess of $1,000. No one knows what was or is wrong. Possible FIP (but she's getting better), brain cancer, toxo. Suzie - I don't even want to see the bill and don't know how I am going to pay it. Possible FIP, toxo. They are all 5 and up. All presented with massive dehydration (skin tenting), anorexia, massiive weight loss. Some w/neuro symptoms..bloodwork varying... All tested neg/neg for FELV. Tehy are down to looking in my house for asbestos and leadsomeone please help me...I don't know what is killing my cats -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20 Please help Caroline! http://rescuties.chipin.com/caroline I GoodSearch for Rescuties. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com http://www.goodsearch.com/- powered by Yahoo!
vet recommending doxy and pred for Isabella
Hi. I have not seen much discussion about prednisone. This and doxy are what my vet is recommending. He is willing to also try IR. Isa has been more lethargic the past few days. Am taking her tomorrow for weight and temp check. She is still eating ~more like grazing. Any thoughts on the pred? Doxy? Her anemia is non-regenerative. Thanks Laurie
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
Yes, please send me the file if you will. Isabella is on Referon or something like that. thank-you Laurie - Original Message - From: Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs At 07:25 PM 6/30/2007, you wrote: When cats go on interferon the dosage is minuscule compared to what is given to people. Unless you are using the Feline Omega interferon. I use Alferon , the natural interferon and if you are interested I can email you the file, the alpha interferon is also given is very very small doses and works differently than is used with people, Kelly Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 0.0.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.10/875 - Release Date: 6/27/2007 9:08 PM
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
This was a long time ago so maybe the disease wasn't as strong then, who knows. Stripes died in 1989 and Squeaky in 1996 My vet was so laid back about it ~ I think that helped. Stripes on and off illness was frustrating but you'd never have know Squeak had anything. The vet did say Squeaky's must have been in his blood marrow and called him a carrier. L - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:16 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Wow, that's impressive! Long, happy lives, it sounds like. You must have / are doing something right. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived together since the younger one had been adopted as a kitten. Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days after his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky didn't have a sick day in his life until his last 3 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on and off but was mostly healthy. and now we have Isabella Laurie
Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy
I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats. Laurie - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway It has to be their idea. I have had some wonderful ferals but they are not house cats as we normally think about them. They are very self sufficient and, when they decide to give you any sign of affection, much less kitten kisses or purrs, you know it is genuine. I have used Feliway and am convinced that it works get. And it has worked with several cats. My regular vets use it in the cat area of their clinic. I really don't believe I would ever have persuaded the Royal Princess Kitty Katt to come out without Feliway. She chose to move in with my parents and was my father's cat until he left this world. Then her whole world turned on end and she became my mother's cat (same house just a different person as 1st person). I was the one who always caught her and clipped her nails, gave her meds, took her to the vet's etc when I came in from Louisville. Finally Mom decided she couldn't take care of Kitty and that she should live with me. This was no where in Kitty's plans and, in fact, was Kitty's version of hell. She lost her job (taking care of Mom), lost her nice quiet house in the country with electric heat and a stay at home person to live in the city with forced air gas heat, a working person with very irregular hours, a mailman who came to the door, all the different scents and noises...I went so far as to replace the furnace and a/c before she came so she would not have to tolerate that. I slept on the floor for three months working with her and trying to get her to come out. The Feliway let her relax enough that she started coming out when I was asleep and things worked out from there. The price has really come down. I don't know if you have checked lately but, compared with what I originally paid for it, it is dirt cheap. It makes you smell like a cat and provides comfort to the little ones. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis -
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
Wendy, yes, my normal vet wanted to treat with doxy (I did that earlier this year with a kitten and it made him very sick...the hemobart test results came back negative so we discontinued). The specialist I consulted looked at Isabella's blood work and didn't think they indicated hemobart ~ she suggested the metacam. The kitten got over his anemia without treatment (we believe it may have been secondary to kidney failure which he also survived!). My vet thinks the anemia is secondary to the feline leukemia...? As far as I can see we are not treating it. His opinion (he is not the specialist) is we need to address the feline leukemia and not the symptoms. I will ask more questions. Perhaps I need to have her tested for hemobart. Thoughts appreciated...? Laurie - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 12:46 AM Subject: Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs Hey Laurie, Did your vet say anything about treating Isabella with doxy in case of hemobartanella? Did he say what type of anemia it is? What did he propose to treat the anemia? Thanks, :) Wendy --- laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: Litter box issues ~ links
I use Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious Cats. It's unscented and 99% dust free. It's small granules. He also has a litter (or additive you can use) called Cat Attract to attract cats to the litter box. It smells like catnip to me. We've had litter box issues here. I use 1 more box than cats, keep groups of boxes in 2 private, noise-free spots in the house (always accessible). Keep varying depths of litter (some like it deep and others do not). Scoop 3 times a day and dump entirely each box once a week and wash it. I use the high back uncovered boxes from Drs. Foster and Smith(currently on sale). I love Pam Johnson-Bennet's book, Think Like a Cat. She mentions that we might not like to stand in an toilet with waste already in it! Article by her: http://www.catchannel.com/cat/experts/pam_johnson_bennett/article_PamJB0012.aspx My cats don't like covered boxes (they really hold the odor and restrict movement). Also, it is recommended you have boxes on each floor of your house. Some cats (my Winston) guard the box so others (my Lucy) find other places to gosome cats urinate to comfort themselves (if you've had strangers in the house). There are so many quirks www.catinfo.org has lots of litter box info. Written by a vet. Another great site re litter box info: www.catnutrition.org ~ another great site Also, http://www.belovedanimals.com/information/library/ca7.html (ignore the suggestion about Alpine cleaners ~ they cause respiratory problems) If I can remember to think like a cat I can usually (not always) figure out why mine are doing something I'd prefer they didn't! Laurie
Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy
Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water damage) Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy Hey Laurie - I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff. For some of my kitties - it's like liquid valium. Others - it doesn't even phase them. It's amazing stuff though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it... http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I hadn't seen the results for myself. elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, othello On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats. Laurie
Re: Birds, also, feliway....and Rescue Remedy
whoops. I meant to say not as far down AS ear canal..about 1/2 way between ear opening and tips... - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water damage) Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella
Re: Feliway, Rescue Remedy and Anaflora flower essence
Elizabeth ~ I found it! It's Anaflora Emotional Balancing and Healing Sprayit's a flower essence for animals. L - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy I did not know about the spray! I'll google that -- thanks! elizabeth in alabama, phelix, tiffany, antonio, lexie, shakiti, othello, tori (who all had salmon today and are quite happy!) On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth, glad to hear this! Mine refused it in water so I rub inside the ears (not as far down ear canal)...it really works for Winston who is very emotional! I also bought a spray that I spray in his carrier before he goes to the vet. I can't find it to tell you the name (my house is torn up from water damage) Laurie and Keisha, Coco, Frankie, Lucy, Cooper,Winston...Midas and Isabella - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliwayand Rescue Remedy Hey Laurie - I use rescue remedy too -- good stuff. For some of my kitties - it's like liquid valium. Others - it doesn't even phase them. It's amazing stuff though - I wouldn't ever want to be without it... http://www.preciouspets.org/newsletters/articles/bach.htm I can tell you truly though -- I never would have believed it worked if I hadn't seen the results for myself. elizabeth in alabama, phelix, lexie, shakiti, tori, antonio, tiffany, othello On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had better luck with RR than with feliwayI have six cats. Laurie
Re: goodbye. MC ~ please read if you are still around
I agree with Jane. I have been here a week or less and already rely on this group. My Isabella isn't doing so well and I need the help. MC you have been a great resource already. Please, can we put principles above personalities and focus on the felines we are here to help? Just a suggestion. I wish everyone the best, Laurie - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:34 PM Subject: Re: goodbye. I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive cat. I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have the knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia. This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come here shell shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor statistics. My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been thrown on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the result of the information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express the grief and fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, and who would (hopefully) understand. It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and having to adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is helping cats, your time is not in vain. I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, very badly swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor appetite. I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an occasional sneeze and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on the bottom of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had been. For the first time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content. I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you. Jane (and a much improved MeMe) On Jul 1, 2007, at 3:36 PM, elizabeth trent wrote: Maybe when you stop being an air head and an @$$ you will come back. Love ya M.C. elizabeth in alabama, phelix, antonio, tiffany, lexie, tori, shakiti, othello On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enough. if you want to talk with me, you know where i am. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth
Please don't leave Laurie - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: OT list well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the list. i'm not going to another list. elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to return to specific things relating to FELV. most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts, because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm. Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member! This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things. Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic stuff to this list! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth
:-) - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: OT list ~ Elizabeth Thank you, Laurie...I'm just torqued off at MC...she knows it...and I've already told her to get her big white hiney back here ;-) elizabeth On 7/1/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't leave Laurie - Original Message - From: elizabeth trent To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: OT list well, if this is the rule by James or whomever...maybe I need to leave the list. i'm not going to another list. elizabeth, phelix, tori, tiffany, antonio, lexie, othello, shakiti On 7/1/07, MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: from the introduction to the OT group, which was started years ago so that james didn't have to keep telling us that we'd strayed off topic, and to return to specific things relating to FELV. most special-interest lists do not allow chit-chat or off-topic posts, because there are enough other places for that. many lists will ban people who consistently go off-topic, and good lists have died out because the topic has gotten lost in social interaction that belongs elsewhere. this isn't MY opinion or rule, it's pretty much the norm. Welcome, fellow FELVTALK member! This is the email list for talking about OFF TOPIC things. Please continue to discuss Feline Leukemia on the other list, we are not moving the list, this is for OFF TOPIC chit chat that tends to happen on the other list, and clutters it up, making it harder for people to find the real info about FELV over there. Hopefully everyone will bring Off Topic stuff to this list! -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: goodbye.
Me too about two lists...what is the other one?? - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: Re: goodbye. What is going on here? I didn't even know there were 2 lists. So many hot headed folks lately. I know I am fairly new, but You all helped me an awful lot with KI. Just the support alone meant so much. Gloria, I am pretty good with the mouth thing...have a diabetic, too, unless you are already involved with a list for that. Dede --- elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MC -- you hard headed woman ... get yourself back on here before I have to come up there with a big can of you know what!.. elizabeth in alabama...phelix, antonio,tiffy, alexsis, tori, shaktit,othello... On 7/1/07, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, I feel very sad about this - MC has been a wonderful member for quite a while, and a wealth of good information. We've had a great group for so long. There are many times that we need to be gentle with each other. Need to remember that all we see here are typed messages, and there's lots more going on with each one than that. But I'm glad you're here and think things will settle down. Glad to hear about MeME. I have a sick Li Won (mouth), Toby (mouth), Rufus(diabetes) and Hambone(uri and whatever) - none are FELV however. Wondering what you did for the stomatitis...? Gloria - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jane Lyons To: mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: Re: goodbye. I'm not sure what is going on here, but for a new person (me) it is very sad since I've come to rely on this list as a lifeline for my Felv positive cat. I use two vets, one of them well known nationally, and neither of them have the knowledge and experience that you guys (collectively) have of Feline Leukemia. This is a priceless resource, especially for people like myself, who come here shell shocked and need to hear the reality from the frontline, not theory nor statistics. My little cat, who came from an over burdened colony situation, having been thrown on their porch from a moving car, is so much better and it is largely the result of the information that I got here. Also, I was so grateful to be able to express the grief and fear I initially felt, knowing I was with people who really loved their cats, and who would (hopefully) understand. It must be difficult repeating the same information over and over again, and having to adjust to a lot of personalities and dysfunction, but if the bottom line is helping cats, your time is not in vain. I came here four weeks ago with a kitten suffering from giardia, stomatitis, very badly swollen glands, constant sneezing, runny nose, diarrhea and very poor appetite. I am happy to report we now have formed stools, no swollen glands, an occasional sneeze and wet nose and a ravenous appetite. The stomatitis seems to be healed on the bottom of her mouth, although the top is still red, but not as inflamed as it had been. For the first time in her little life she seems comfortable and very content. I hope things here can be worked out. We are very grateful to all of you. Jane (and a much improved MeMe) When you are in the service of your fellow beings, you are only in the service of your God Mosiah 2:17 Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. http://autos.yahoo.com/carfinder/
Re: goodbye....now stomatitis
I give 250 mg twice a day ~ I crush 500 mg tablets and sprinkle on canned food. Viralys is already powder form and flavored. My cats like it. the other L-lysine (human) is unflavored. There is a scoop in the Viralys but it's the same dose. If my cats are symptomatic I increase to 500mg twice a day. Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:11 PM Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis A few days back, someone mentioned the Lysine ( I am using it, have been for quite a few months) but they said there was a bit of a protocal to follow? MaryLyn, I think you did? What is the protocal? As of now, I buy the 4lbs. tubs of Lysine that you get for horses, highly concentrated. It is much cheaper this way when you are dealing w/ the numbers that Kelly I and some others on this list are dealing with. It's just a matter of a few grains being sprinkled onto the food. Another multi cat household that I know puts it into a saltshaker and shakes it out voila! Breakfast is served...! My vet uses the same type of Lysine, his dosage is a few grains also. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 6:13 PM Subject: Re: goodbyenow stomatitis As I said Marylyn, her condition is much improved, her upper gums are still red, but not as inflamed and utterly raw as they had been. Her lower gums now look completely normal. Her breath is now odorless. When we first got her it was really awful. She's been on FortiFlora which my vet was convinced would help. (I guess it is the digestive tract that really impacts the mouth) Maitake-DMG liquid (vet's recommendation) Transfer Factor (this group's recommendation) l-lycine (this group's recommendation) spring water raw diet (she will not eat anything except Fancy Feast grilled turkey) I've been mixing bits of raw into the wet food ...also I have been mixing Archetype into Fancy Feast dry and she has eaten it. she was on Panacur for the giardia. My vet ordered IR, but is holding off because she has made good progress without it. Her glands had been very swollen. One gland in particular seemed to be the size of a ping pong ball and when Caroline posted about Monkee's tumor, I thought for sure that was it. I made an appointment with my vet (who is on vacation) and just two days ago, it disappeared. All her glands are completely normal. The ping pong ball is gone. My husband has checked her over very thoroughly and he cannot find it either. So ...I do not know what did what...but she is so much better. I have been reading the Archives here and I realize that a young cat (a year old) who is as symptomatic as MeMe has been does not have great odds. I am relieved that she seems so content and comfortable. I am hoping that since her life is so improved, she'll want to stick around. Marylyn thanks for the: Brush Away from Petzlife as well as Just Born with colostrum. I will try both of them. Jane
Re: Pictures and a question
Hello Sally, did the Baytril improve the anemia? I am trying to figure it out...does this mean there was an infection that the baytril effectively treated and the infection caused the anemia? Were there other symptoms? Did IR take care of the fevers? We are dealing with fever, anemia and low white blood count...my vet and I are going to talk tomorrow about what to do to treat the anemia. I was thinking of having Isabella tested for hemobart rather than just treating for it. He wanted to just treat with doxy but we used this for a kitten earlier this spring and I'd rather not use it unless we know she has hemobart. My vet is not supportive of using IR. His research shows nothing works for feline leukemiabut I believe he will support what we want to do (just doesn't want false hopes on my part ~ we've been through several mystery illnesses together). Thanks for any info, Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: Re: Pictures and a question Good for you, Sally, for following your instincts when it comes to your baby's care Lucky boy he is Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Pictures and a question Junior initially was treated for hemobartella as a precaution with Baytril. The anemia did improve, but then came the fevers the eye infection etcit was a rough go and without this group, I am not sure how long I would have put him through it. I was and to certain extent am clueless. My vet at that time was saying the with the fevers most likely being from the FELV it might be time to pts. I took my puttycat home and got him back to the old vet and told him I wanted to do the IR. He, Dr Larrick is a good natured fellow who thank goodness had just hired a new(young vet). She has been very caring and did the IR protocol and we treated what came along. Junior is still with me 10 months later. Thanks to the support and knowlegde of this group. sally On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with the addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments. I have to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops
Re: Pictures and a question ~ marylyn
Hope these aren't dumb questions..what is a liver pop and what is AIHA, please? thanks, Laurie (dealing with high fever, anemia and low WBC). On 7/1/07, Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not necessarily on topicMai Mai had AIHA and it improved with the addition of liver (yuck) to her food + alternative vet treatments. I have to wonder if anemic cats would benefit from liver pops
new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp ~blood work and other Qs
Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use instead of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue)
I know Tonya, too. I think from another list?! Small world (I'm in Iowa). Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Why I certainly do.! Talked to her this morning, I arrange her transports from Ausitn as well as coordinate any TLAC (our city pound) pulls for her the Asutin Branch... I will tell her you said Howdy! Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: Way off OT: Susan D (TX Siamese Rescue) Hi Susan D, Would like to know if you know Tonja Pfister? If you do would you tell her I said HELLO From WA. She knows who I am...done transports for the TX Siamese Rescue in the past. My home has been classified The Mohr Inn for those awaiting their flights into Canada. The kitties are spoiled rotten in their short stay here. Terrie Mohr-Forker TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Donations accepted at: https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://www.petloss.com/ See what's free at AOL.com.
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Hi. I have a friend who always has a small group of feleuk positive cats. One big orange guy lived in this group for five years. The others living with him during this time had all died and she couldn't figure out why he had no symptoms and was still alive so she tested him and he was negative. She wasn't sure anymore why he had ended up with the positive group (whether he'd tested positive at one time or he hadn't been tested) but they obviously shared everything and he was still healthy and negative. He is still alive five or so years AFTER the five years with the positive group! Laurie - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 4:45 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:37 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I'm sorry, what I meant was, out of those 3 options (3months, 4 months 6 months), I am going w/ the 4 months as of right now. So, I have 2 more months to quarantine. If one of my 12 cats comes up pos., then I pull it out of the mix and begin quarantine again w/ the remaining 5. Five because they are separated, 6 / 6.. Am I making sense? Sometimes I confused myself... Now Ursula, who also came from Frankenbreeder house, was neg. when I picked her up form the pound, but 2 months later she was pos. But I don't know when her first contact w/ a pos. cat was Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Thanks for the info, I didn't think you had to wait that long. I guess my options are to wait 6 months before taking in more kitties, or else hope that since my two didn't get infected in 2.5 years, that it is unlikely they got infected in the last few months. What about FIP...if Tomi had it, is that something I need to worry about with my two remaining cats? A few hours after he died, there was a yellowy/orange fluid that started coming out of his nose. Is this a sign he may have had FIP? Cassandra - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 12:54 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have heard many different answers to this. I have heard retest in 3 months after the exposure, retest in 4 months, and retest in 3 months but again @ 6 months. I have 12 foster cats that were exposed to a cat that is felv+, and it has been 2 months. I plan to retest in 4 months. I will be putting them up for adoption if they all come up neg/neg. And of course I will tell the potential adopter about the exposure. Right now I have them separated 6 / 6. If one comes up positive in one group, I will start over again on the quarantine. Please someone correct me if I am wrong, or if you have any other advise. I joined this list to learn :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: C J To:
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
I adopted 2 boys, age 8 and 9, who had lived together since the younger one had been adopted as a kitten. Stripes kept getting sick on and off so we had them tested (my vet had been vaccinating them each year and Squeaky would be sick for 3 days after his vaccination). They both tested positive. Stripes lived to 16 years old and Squeaky to 22. Squeaky didn't have a sick day in his life until his last 3 weeks (oral cancer). Stripes continued to be sick on and off but was mostly healthy. and now we have Isabella Laurie - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? I have a client that took in 2 felv+ cats, @ different times. They always stayed healthy, (we are talking about 2 yrs or so) per se, but one day the tuxie was dead in their room. She took good care of them, high quality food, outdoor enclosure access, yada, yada Simon, the Siamese became very depressed, and on a hunch she had him retested. He came up neg/ neg. Simon went back to live w/ the woman who had originally given him to her, he had been a stray. The woman couldn't keep him if he was pos. due to having a one bedroom apartment and two other cats. Simon has adjusted well, no idea how he tested pos. and now is neg/neg, but he has a very good life. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:56 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Hi. I have a friend who always has a small group of feleuk positive cats. One big orange guy lived in this group for five years. The others living with him during this time had all died and she couldn't figure out why he had no symptoms and was still alive so she tested him and he was negative. She wasn't sure anymore why he had ended up with the positive group (whether he'd tested positive at one time or he hadn't been tested) but they obviously shared everything and he was still healthy and negative. He is still alive five or so years AFTER the five years with the positive group! Laurie
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp
Hi. We rescued a one to two year old cat about 5 weeks ago. She has had a temp anywhere from normal (June 19) to 107 (June 26). Her blood work this week indicates she has a low white blood count and is also anemic. She has no other symptoms (other than recent lethargy) and is still interested in food. We started interferon 7 days on/ 7 days off 2 1/2 weeks ago. Isabella's temp was normal after the 7 days on and 107 after 7 days off. The interferon was started again 3 nights ago and today's temp was 104.2. She has weighed 8.5, 8.4, 8.9 (10 days ago ~ this was also the day her temp was normal). Tuesday, June 26, she weighed 8.8 and today 8.7. She got fluids Tuesday and today (Thursday). We are also giving her feline transfer factor. She was on Clavamox for about a week and then switched to Zeniquin( for about 16 days now) when her temp was 105.5. Discontinued Zeniquin today and started an anti-inflammatory (metacam, I believe) that she will take for 3 days. She is a wonderful companion. Easy to care for. Impeccable manners. Talks and purrs and plays when she feels good. If anyone has suggestions about why the temp and what to do about the temp, WBC and RBC, we would be grateful. Thanks! ps we applied Revolution May 23 and June 23. She reacted with fur on end June 23. Laurie
