Re: FIV/FeLV info
Laurie, thank you for giving this overview of these two viruses. I wish so much I had educated myself prior to owning a Felv positive cat. Of course it helps to know ahead of time what you're dealing with. I swear we'd still have BooBoo with us if I had only known. I honestly believe now that we contributed to his demise by having him groomed, bathed (he was loaded with fleas, mites and horribly matted fur when we got him) and then the neutering a week later. I think we caused him so much distress that his immune system totally failed him. I also have this horrible guilt that if I hadn't been so insistent on owning him, he may have survived in his own enviromnent longer. When he was diagnosed with FIV on top of everything, he went downhill immediately. He had already lived 5 years and died within a month of us getting him and learning of his diagnosis. We did everything the vet told us to do and more and in the end I'm now thinking we should have left things well enough alone. It was a hard lesson to learn and I'm paying dearly for it. There isn't a day goes by that I don't miss him terribly. Getting Snowy the rescued cat has helped tremendously but still, BooBoo can never be replaced. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: FIV/FeLV info FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) Both FIV and FeLV are called retroviruses because of the way that they replicate, or multiply, inside the cat's body. FIV is further classified as a lentivirus, or slow virus. An FIV-positive cat may live for many years. However, the virus eventually weakens the immune system, which limits the cat's ability to protect itself against other infections or illnesses. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. FIV is spread primarily through bite wounds. The virus is transmitted via the saliva of an FIV-positive cat when it bites deep into the tissue of another cat. It is therefore commonly found in tomcats as they fight for territory and mates. Casual, non-aggressive contact does NOT spread the virus. The virus cannot survive for more than a few hours when exposed to air. Therefore, an FIV-positive cat CAN live in a house with non-infected cats if they are all on friendly terms and don't fight with each other. Sharing food and water bowls, litter pans, and even grooming each other will NOT spread the virus. If acquired during adulthood, a cat with FIV can live a long, full life, and many do. However, the weakened immune system can lead to recurrent or chronic conditions such as inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, weight loss, anemia, persistent diarrhea, and cancer. For additional information, please see: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?ds=1cat=1316articleid=213, http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/fiv.html, http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm, or contact us! -- -- FeLV (Feline Leukemia Virus) FeLV is also a retrovirus, but it differs in many ways from FIV, including its shape and genetic makeup. And although many of the diseases caused by the two viruses are similar, the specific way those diseases are caused is different. About 65% of cats with FeLV will live a full life. Unfortunately, the remaining 35% will probably die within three years. Just like FIV, FeLV may cause a weakened immune system that limits the cat's ability to fight off other infections. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. An FeLV-positive cat sheds high quantities of the virus in its saliva and nasal secretions. Therefore, the virus can be spread from cat to cat through mutual grooming and, more rarely, by sharing food bowls and litter boxes, as well as through bite wounds. An infected mother can also transmit the virus to her kittens before birth or while nursing. FeLV is the most common cause of cancer in cats, and it may cause various blood disorders. As with FIV, FeLV can weaken the immune system so that the same bacteria and viruses that usually do not affect a healthy animal can cause serious illness in a cat with FeLV. Common secondary infections include inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, and persistent diarrhea. For additional information, please see: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?ds=1cat=1316articleid=211, http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/felv.html, or contact us! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: FIV/FeLV info
Lynne, I cannot believe that BooBoo is gone because of you. On the contrary I have to believe that he was sent to you and you were able to own him because some higher power wanted that beautiful kitty to know what it is like to be loved and cherished in this world before he had to leave it. I know how hard it is to miss a cat you are deeply fond of. Tucker has been gone just over two weeks and I can still hardly stand it. I have been second guessing the choices I made ever since. But there is no way in the world anyone could ever say that you didn't do everything you possibly could for BooBoo. Both medical and emotionally. Please go easier on yourself and believe that that little kitty angel will be very happy to see you at the bridge. Sue - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: FIV/FeLV info Laurie, thank you for giving this overview of these two viruses. I wish so much I had educated myself prior to owning a Felv positive cat. Of course it helps to know ahead of time what you're dealing with. I swear we'd still have BooBoo with us if I had only known. I honestly believe now that we contributed to his demise by having him groomed, bathed (he was loaded with fleas, mites and horribly matted fur when we got him) and then the neutering a week later. I think we caused him so much distress that his immune system totally failed him. I also have this horrible guilt that if I hadn't been so insistent on owning him, he may have survived in his own enviromnent longer. When he was diagnosed with FIV on top of everything, he went downhill immediately. He had already lived 5 years and died within a month of us getting him and learning of his diagnosis. We did everything the vet told us to do and more and in the end I'm now thinking we should have left things well enough alone. It was a hard lesson to learn and I'm paying dearly for it. There isn't a day goes by that I don't miss him terribly. Getting Snowy the rescued cat has helped tremendously but still, BooBoo can never be replaced. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: FIV/FeLV info FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) Both FIV and FeLV are called retroviruses because of the way that they replicate, or multiply, inside the cat's body. FIV is further classified as a lentivirus, or slow virus. An FIV-positive cat may live for many years. However, the virus eventually weakens the immune system, which limits the cat's ability to protect itself against other infections or illnesses. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. FIV is spread primarily through bite wounds. The virus is transmitted via the saliva of an FIV-positive cat when it bites deep into the tissue of another cat. It is therefore commonly found in tomcats as they fight for territory and mates. Casual, non-aggressive contact does NOT spread the virus. The virus cannot survive for more than a few hours when exposed to air. Therefore, an FIV-positive cat CAN live in a house with non-infected cats if they are all on friendly terms and don't fight with each other. Sharing food and water bowls, litter pans, and even grooming each other will NOT spread the virus. If acquired during adulthood, a cat with FIV can live a long, full life, and many do. However, the weakened immune system can lead to recurrent or chronic conditions such as inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, weight loss, anemia, persistent diarrhea, and cancer. For additional information, please see: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?ds=1cat=1316articleid=213, http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/fiv.html, http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm, or contact us! -- -- FeLV (Feline Leukemia Virus) FeLV is also a retrovirus, but it differs in many ways from FIV, including its shape and genetic makeup. And although many of the diseases caused by the two viruses are similar, the specific way those diseases are caused is different. About 65% of cats with FeLV will live a full life. Unfortunately, the remaining 35% will probably die within three years. Just like FIV, FeLV may cause a weakened immune system that limits the cat's ability to fight off other infections. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. An FeLV-positive cat sheds high quantities of the virus in its saliva and nasal secretions. Therefore, the virus can be spread from cat to cat through mutual grooming and, more rarely, by sharing food bowls and litter boxes, as well as through bite wounds
Re: FIV/FeLV info
I'm sorry for the horrible sadness you're going through Sue and everyone else who has lost a little one lately and not so lately. At two weeks post Boo I was still so sick at heart I could hardly function. The difficult thing is I have to drive by his former home every day on the way to and from work and there is his son sitting in the window most days. When I come home from work I expect to see Boo come out from under our trailer. That's where he always stayed last year til we came outside. Then we would feed him and try to put antibiotics on his ears which were always bloodied. I love Snowy for herself though she does have those funny little BooBoo ears and squished in nose like him. She has been a god send for my husband and I. Fortunately despite her horrible pre foster existence she tested negative for Felv but had the Feline Herpes Virus. We've had no problems with her but her one eye is somewhat scarred. If stress triggers this virus, I'm not worried because this girl is the most spoiled cat known to man. She gets anything she wants whenever she wants. I guess the bottom line is, we do what we feel is in our cat's best interest and pray those who know more than we do, give us the right advice. I still have to get Snowy spayed but the foster mom and vet said I could wait. It's been almost 4 months since we got her and I'm still worried about doing it. She's an indoor cat but is allowed outside under supervision only for fresh air and back yard nature. I'm not worried about other cats coming into the yard, but still I have to get her spayed. It was part of the contract. Lynne - Original Message - From: Sue Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: Re: FIV/FeLV info Lynne, I cannot believe that BooBoo is gone because of you. On the contrary I have to believe that he was sent to you and you were able to own him because some higher power wanted that beautiful kitty to know what it is like to be loved and cherished in this world before he had to leave it. I know how hard it is to miss a cat you are deeply fond of. Tucker has been gone just over two weeks and I can still hardly stand it. I have been second guessing the choices I made ever since. But there is no way in the world anyone could ever say that you didn't do everything you possibly could for BooBoo. Both medical and emotionally. Please go easier on yourself and believe that that little kitty angel will be very happy to see you at the bridge. Sue - Original Message - From: Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: FIV/FeLV info Laurie, thank you for giving this overview of these two viruses. I wish so much I had educated myself prior to owning a Felv positive cat. Of course it helps to know ahead of time what you're dealing with. I swear we'd still have BooBoo with us if I had only known. I honestly believe now that we contributed to his demise by having him groomed, bathed (he was loaded with fleas, mites and horribly matted fur when we got him) and then the neutering a week later. I think we caused him so much distress that his immune system totally failed him. I also have this horrible guilt that if I hadn't been so insistent on owning him, he may have survived in his own enviromnent longer. When he was diagnosed with FIV on top of everything, he went downhill immediately. He had already lived 5 years and died within a month of us getting him and learning of his diagnosis. We did everything the vet told us to do and more and in the end I'm now thinking we should have left things well enough alone. It was a hard lesson to learn and I'm paying dearly for it. There isn't a day goes by that I don't miss him terribly. Getting Snowy the rescued cat has helped tremendously but still, BooBoo can never be replaced. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: FIV/FeLV info FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) Both FIV and FeLV are called retroviruses because of the way that they replicate, or multiply, inside the cat's body. FIV is further classified as a lentivirus, or slow virus. An FIV-positive cat may live for many years. However, the virus eventually weakens the immune system, which limits the cat's ability to protect itself against other infections or illnesses. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. FIV is spread primarily through bite wounds. The virus is transmitted via the saliva of an FIV-positive cat when it bites deep into the tissue of another cat. It is therefore commonly found in tomcats as they fight for territory and mates. Casual, non-aggressive contact does NOT spread the virus
Re: FIV/FeLV info
I doubt that anything you did contributed to his death. I think even if it did he was better off being with someone who took care of him and loved him rather than being left outside with fleas, earmites, etc... That wasn't a good life for him, and I'm sure he was miserable and stressed in that condition too. Don't second guess yourself. You did what you thought was the best thing. I would have done the same. tonya Lynne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Laurie, thank you for giving this overview of these two viruses. I wish so much I had educated myself prior to owning a Felv positive cat. Of course it helps to know ahead of time what you're dealing with. I swear we'd still have BooBoo with us if I had only known. I honestly believe now that we contributed to his demise by having him groomed, bathed (he was loaded with fleas, mites and horribly matted fur when we got him) and then the neutering a week later. I think we caused him so much distress that his immune system totally failed him. I also have this horrible guilt that if I hadn't been so insistent on owning him, he may have survived in his own enviromnent longer. When he was diagnosed with FIV on top of everything, he went downhill immediately. He had already lived 5 years and died within a month of us getting him and learning of his diagnosis. We did everything the vet told us to do and more and in the end I'm now thinking we should have left things well enough alone. It was a hard lesson to learn and I'm paying dearly for it. There isn't a day goes by that I don't miss him terribly. Getting Snowy the rescued cat has helped tremendously but still, BooBoo can never be replaced. Lynne - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz To: Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:59 PM Subject: FIV/FeLV info FIV (Feline Immunodeficiency Virus) Both FIV and FeLV are called retroviruses because of the way that they replicate, or multiply, inside the cat's body. FIV is further classified as a lentivirus, or slow virus. An FIV-positive cat may live for many years. However, the virus eventually weakens the immune system, which limits the cat's ability to protect itself against other infections or illnesses. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. FIV is spread primarily through bite wounds. The virus is transmitted via the saliva of an FIV-positive cat when it bites deep into the tissue of another cat. It is therefore commonly found in tomcats as they fight for territory and mates. Casual, non-aggressive contact does NOT spread the virus. The virus cannot survive for more than a few hours when exposed to air. Therefore, an FIV-positive cat CAN live in a house with non-infected cats if they are all on friendly terms and don't fight with each other. Sharing food and water bowls, litter pans, and even grooming each other will NOT spread the virus. If acquired during adulthood, a cat with FIV can live a long, full life, and many do. However, the weakened immune system can lead to recurrent or chronic conditions such as inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, weight loss, anemia, persistent diarrhea, and cancer. For additional information, please see: http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?ds=1cat=1316articleid=213, http://www.vet.cornell.edu/fhc/brochures/fiv.html, http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm, or contact us! -- -- FeLV (Feline Leukemia Virus) FeLV is also a retrovirus, but it differs in many ways from FIV, including its shape and genetic makeup. And although many of the diseases caused by the two viruses are similar, the specific way those diseases are caused is different. About 65% of cats with FeLV will live a full life. Unfortunately, the remaining 35% will probably die within three years. Just like FIV, FeLV may cause a weakened immune system that limits the cat's ability to fight off other infections. Periods of relatively good health may be interspersed with recurrent illnesses. An FeLV-positive cat sheds high quantities of the virus in its saliva and nasal secretions. Therefore, the virus can be spread from cat to cat through mutual grooming and, more rarely, by sharing food bowls and litter boxes, as well as through bite wounds. An infected mother can also transmit the virus to her kittens before birth or while nursing. FeLV is the most common cause of cancer in cats, and it may cause various blood disorders. As with FIV, FeLV can weaken the immune system so that the same bacteria and viruses that usually do not affect a healthy animal can cause serious illness in a cat with FeLV. Common secondary infections include inflammation of the gums and mouth, skin, urinary, or upper respiratory infections, and persistent diarrhea. For additional information, please see:
Re: FIV
(she says, quaking in fear after that IM i sent her) On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 11:17 PM, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My apologies, I recommended the wrong group. FIVCats2 is the right one. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv boys are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will probably ALWAYS only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats at Sids and I would say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats you can get grumpy ones too. Sherry *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated to go into. i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary. does that count as direct experience? FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met *and lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can
Re: FIV
yeah, there ARE grumpy ones--my jess is more grumpy than not, but he is NOT aggressive. i don't think he was ever much of a pet, so doesn't quite get the cuddle stuff. harrison, on the other hand, is the most intrusive, needy, demanding creature i've ever encountered next to my ex-husband--tho he's a thousand times cuter. MC On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv boys are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will probably ALWAYS only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats at Sids and I would say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats you can get grumpy ones too. Sherry *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated to go into. i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary. does that count as direct experience? FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met *and lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive
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Really nice overview, MC - thanks! You included stuff I didn't know, and I'm always trying to talk -up those FIV kitties, cause mine just about never get sick. One thing I noticed too is that the manufacturer of the FIV vaccine likes to call it AIDS - they have these sensational brochures out with that written on it - probably thinking that the hysteria that it causes will get them more sales of vaccines. Downright evil - especially since their vaccine is worthless. Gloria At 02:56 PM 3/1/2008, you wrote: MaryChristine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met and lost the battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated. Any info that anyone has will be great! Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others! thanks, Caroline -- Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give.
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i tried to respond rationally and politely about ft dodge, the manufacturers of both the FIV vaccine, and the equally useless vaccine against the virulent! calici! virus! that! is! taking! over! the! entire! country!--however, i am completely unable to. ft dodge is the best representation i know of re: lack of ethics in a professional setting. MC On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really nice overview, MC - thanks! You included stuff I didn't know, and I'm always trying to talk -up those FIV kitties, cause mine just about never get sick. One thing I noticed too is that the manufacturer of the FIV vaccine likes to call it AIDS - they have these sensational brochures out with that written on it - probably thinking that the hysteria that it causes will get them more sales of vaccines. Downright evil - especially since their vaccine is worthless. Gloria At 02:56 PM 3/1/2008, you wrote: MaryChristine mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met and lost the battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man
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well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated to go into. i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary. does that count as direct experience? FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met *and lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated. Any info that anyone has will be great! Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others! thanks, Caroline -- Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more.http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv boys are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will probably ALWAYS only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats at Sids and I would say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats you can get grumpy ones too. Sherry MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated to go into. i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary. does that count as direct experience? FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met and lost the battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated. Any info that anyone has will be great! Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others! thanks, Caroline
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My apologies, I recommended the wrong group. FIVCats2 is the right one. On Fri, Feb 29, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Sherry DeHaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MaryChristine,I agree with you that the fiv+ boys are the best.My 3 fiv boys are the sweetest babies and my fiv girl is a sweetie too.I will probably ALWAYS only adopt fiv cats from now on.We have around 70 fiv cats at Sids and I would say that 95% are very sweet.Of course as with any cats you can get grumpy ones too. Sherry *MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote: well, let's see--susan hoffman and i the co-moderators of the oldest FIV group on yahoo; which is FIVCats2, for reasons that are way too complicated to go into. i am currently owned by two of the little beasts, and have been living with them since 2002 when i moved into a FeLV/FIV sanctuary. does that count as direct experience? FIV has NOTHING WHATSOEVER in common with HIV: FeLV is much closer in terms of how it's transmitted, it's course, and everything else. the first investigators to isolate it did so in 1987, at the height of the HIV/AIDS panic, and gave it a name that has killed far more cats than the virus ever will. the only people who liken it at all to HIV/AIDS anymore are the original researchers, who seem to have an investment in doing so, despite years of research showing them to be in error. these folks use HIV/AIDS terminology, which is pretty absurd, since H = human, after all. the snap test is wrong 40% of the time, even in non-vaccinated cats; the vaccine has not been proved effective in independent tests (another fine product of Ft Dodge), and WILL cause any cat to test positive for life, even on the confirmatory test, which is the western blot. FIV cats, most of whom are male, mostly turn into, well, pussycats once neutered--and couldn't bother biting anyone hard enough to transmit the virus; when we get timid housecats in who actually DO test positive on the western blot, one of our vets says that the cat was probably bitten on the butt trying to run away. should a cat remain aggressive post-altering, filing down or removing the canines prevents them from biting deeply enough. FIVs are more prone to herpes infections and stomatitis than non-FIVs, it seems, but basically they are VERY VERY healthy: sanctuary anecdotal info (which, like with FeLV, is all there was for a long time) shows that FIVs are healthier than any other population. yes, they get sick, but they respond to treatment as well as any other cat. most FIVs die with the virus, not from it, tho, of course, other things can get them as well. MC On Thu, Feb 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met *and lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems
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Hi Caroline, Not direct experience, but I am on a good FIV yahoo group. It is absolutely true it is caused by deep bite wounds. To make matters more complicated, a positive test result can be caused by vaccinating the cat against FIV. There is now a test to see if the positive result is caused by the FIV vaccine or actual exposure to FIV, but it involves sending the blood off to a certain lab in California, I believe. Here is the FIV Yahoo group: http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats On 2/28/08, Caroline Kaufmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met *and lost the battle to*- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated. Any info that anyone has will be great! Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others! thanks, Caroline -- Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more.http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Please help Clarissa! http://rescuties.chipin.com/clarissasheart http://www.change.org/rescuties
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I believe everything you've said is correct. The kind of intermingling of bodily fluids that comes only with deep bite wounds (or intercourse) is the way FIV is transmitted. In this way FIV is similar to HIV, but its manifestations and treatment are not. It's basically the good-food and watchfulness regimen, and many positive cats remain asymptomatic throughout their generally normal lifespan. I haven't owned an FIV+ cat but had some contact with a couple back when I volunteered at the local Katrina shelter, and they were both big, sweet, healthy guys. One of them got to go back home -- they located his owner who unhesitatingly took him back even knowing the diagnosis. We all bawled for joy all over him the day he shipped out. He must have thought we were all nuts, slobbering on him like that. The other guy was, I believe, adopted by someone as their only cat. At the Katrina shelter we had to take precautions, but in the normal course of things, having learned what I have about FIV (mostly in the course of learning about FeLV), I wouldn't hesitate to intermingle a non-aggressive positive cat with others. Of course, placement with other positive cats would be extra-ideal from a safety standpoint. Good luck with this little guy. Diane R. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV Does anyone have any direct experience with FIV that they can pass on to me? I know the gist of course, since I foster cats and have met and lost the battle to- both Felv and FIP in the past year (ugh). I have heard that cats with FIV can be fairly successful- live heathly lives barely affected by the disease (is this true?), and it really is a lot like human HIV? I have also heard this is the one retroviruses that is transmitted by deep bite wounds and NOT casual contact? I am going to help a man who has taken in a alley cat that hung around his house for about 3 years that tested positive of FIV. He was clearly neutered by alley cat advocates b/c he has a tipped ear. He says it's a wonderful, approx. 5 yo tuxie. He has him in the bedroom for now (his only room with a door in his house) because his own cat is an extremely aggressive, neutered male and after 3 years of the tuxie hanging around outside, and being in the house for a while now- they can't sort out their differences and they will fight. He wishes he could keep the cat but with his cat- being such an aggressive fighter, and the tuxie being a fighter when need be (alley cat mentality)-- he just doesn't see it as possible due to transmission to his cat. The cat did get outside and got in a fight recently- ended up with an abcess on his ear- being treated by a vet, stint put in and he has a f-u next week- but it was at that appointment that the vet found the FIV and said segregate!- as they always do. I am going to work to get the cat into our adoption program as a special needs cat in the hopes that someone w/o other cats, with a non-aggressive cat, with a docile female, with other FIV cats, etc., would be willing to take him on. In the meantime, this man has agreed to continue to foster him in his home while I work to help him out with the situation. In the meantime, I want to build up my knowledge so that I have talking points for potential adoptive parents and I can educate if someone w/o prior FIV experience is willing to take him. The man seems to understand that he could have a cat on his hands with something a lot worse (like Felv or FIP), so he's definitely not an overreactor and he seems well-educated. Any info that anyone has will be great! Especially PERSONAL EXPERIENCE and/or accurate and trustworthy websites I can read and pass on to others! thanks, Caroline Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging. You IM, we give. Learn more. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Home/?source=text_hotmail_join This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties.
Re: FIV infected kittes
NINA, EXCELLENT LETTER! IM FORWARDING THIS TO THE GALS WITH THE FIV+ KITTENS. THEY REALLY NEED THIS PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU SO MUCH! GLENDA --- Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Group, I just saw that someone was asking for help with an fiv tested kitten. The following is a post I archived from a trusted list member, (MC) about this subject: there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens. maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not even considered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected mom will test positive until mom's antibodies are out of her system--between 6-10 months. no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a cat without a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about 60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough for mom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won't mean anything. i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets out and into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe, DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checks his record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living long enough to be found by you is slim to none. almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort that boy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a high percentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probably getting it during rough sex. once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be that aggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing down or even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bite deeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seem to turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couch potatoes. at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becoming forever cats of the volunteers, because they were just such sweethearts. i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmie who must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he would have initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIV cats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpes infections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and a tendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normal cats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just like normal cats! as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it. it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how it manifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinks that being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms of FIV.) here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.html http://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
RE: FIV Testing...
Many many thanks. I will go dig the article out and send it along. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIV Testing... there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIP http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV. Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was done-is it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV Testing...
there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIPhttp://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.htmland send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV… Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is - Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found… *Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org * *Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals * No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV Testing...
At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isnt it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? Im afraid I cant provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) http://www.findkpets.orgwww.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM
Re: RE: FIV Testing...
Chris, I am so hoping that you can rescue this kitten. For the kitten's sake of course, but also to help educate this vet's office. They need to see that an fiv test in such a little baby is not indicative of having the disease. Hell, an fiv test in a cat that truly has fiv is not a death sentence! From all I've learned, from living with an fiv boy and hearing about so so many others, it's nothing to be afraid of at all. Please let us know what happens to this little angel. You have an opportunity to educate these people and that little darling is staking her life on it. (Sorry about the pressure). Where is she? Nina Chris wrote: Many many thanks... I will go dig the article out and send it along... /Christiane Biagi/ /914-632-4672/ /[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ /Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)/ /www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org/ /Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals/ -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *MaryChristine *Sent:* Friday, May 18, 2007 12:50 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: FIV Testing... there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIP http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, *Kelly L* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV... Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is · Should I ask what test was doneis it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) · Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found... /Christiane Biagi// 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] / /Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)// www.findkpets.org http://www.findkpets.org / /Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals// / No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: RE: FIV Testing...
This was a cross post from someone I work. She had gone to her vets office they told her about the kitten. I believe it is somehwere in Baton Rouge, LA. I just sent her off all the info and sent her some links including studies that document that normally, FIV not transmitted thru birth. I know she'll look at all of it and talk to her vet hopefully she'll be able to have them save this kitten. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: RE: FIV Testing... Chris, I am so hoping that you can rescue this kitten. For the kitten's sake of course, but also to help educate this vet's office. They need to see that an fiv test in such a little baby is not indicative of having the disease. Hell, an fiv test in a cat that truly has fiv is not a death sentence! From all I've learned, from living with an fiv boy and hearing about so so many others, it's nothing to be afraid of at all. Please let us know what happens to this little angel. You have an opportunity to educate these people and that little darling is staking her life on it. (Sorry about the pressure). Where is she? Nina Chris wrote: Many many thanks. I will go dig the article out and send it along. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIV Testing... there is virtually no such thing as a positive kitten--unlike the FeLV virus, kittens will test positive for FIV based on MOM'S antibodies, and will continue to test positive until at LEAST six months old when mom's antibodies pass from their systems. can someone please go read one of the articles at FELV+, FIV+, FIP http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and send the appropriate one? i do not have the time to do so -- or do a web search for Maternal Antibodies in FIV. every vet should KNOW this. MC On 5/18/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 09:37 AM 5/18/2007, you wrote: Tell them that Vets no longer put down FIV positive cats. Most of us mix our pos and neg catsClose to impossible to catch...the kitten may not be positive, You need to get a place for this baby ASAP.. Kelly A bit off topic but I know folks here know so much about FIV FELV.. Someone sent me a post about a 7 week old F tortie mix sitting at a vet office in Baton Rouge, LA who is supposed to be put down tonight or tomorrow because she tests pos for FIV. Apparently the vet the staff are clutching at doing this---my question is * Should I ask what test was done-is it same setup as for FELV (Elissa then confirming IFA) * Isn't it early to determine whether cat is really FIV pos? I'm afraid I can't provide a home for this little one but maybe a little info could prolong her life until someone is found. Christiane Biagi 914-632-4672 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART) www.findkpets.org Join Us Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV testing
Here's the info as I posted it to the FIV group: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/Homesite%20Images/Diagnostic%20PCR%20Price%20Schedule.doc (you have to scroll down quite some way to the section titled FIV DNA Testing Information.) FIV DNA Testing Information Lucy Whittier Molecular and Diagnostic Core Facility Phone: 530.752-7991 2108 Tupper Hall Fax: 530.754-6862 University of California Department of Medicine EpidemiologyEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] School of Veterinary Medicine Davis, CA 95616 Dear Clinician, Thank you for requesting information about our FIV DNA test. At this time we require 2 mL of whole blood in an EDTA (Lavender Top) Vacutainer tube, along with information outlined below. The test is offered at no charge. The PCR assay detects the viral genome directly and therefore differentiates infected from vaccinated animals. Results will be faxed to you within 48 hours upon receipt of the sample except for Friday deliveries, which will be faxed 72 hours upon receipt. Please include the following information with each sample: 1. Veterinarians name 2. Your complete mailing address 3. Your phone and fax number 4. Number of samples sent 5. Sample type 6. Species of animal 7. Type of test requested Shipping Instructions: 1. All Shipments must comply with the International Air Transport Association (IATA) Dangerous Goods regulations. Please consult the IATA website http://www.iata.org or the FedEx Dangerous Goods/Hazardous Materials Hotline at 800.463.3339 (press 81) for further information. 2. Send on ice in a Styrofoam container (no ice needed for fixed tissues) 3. Ship overnight (Do not ship on Friday) 4. Use FedEx or other express courier 5. Federal Tax Identification Number 946036494 Shipping Address: Christian Leutenegger 2108 Tupper Hall Vet Med: Medicine Epid. Davis, CA 95616 Tel: 530.752.7991 The testing itself is free, but you have to pay for the vet to draw the blood and the overnight shipping (not cheap). Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight
Re: FIV testing
that's so weird, because it wouldn't open for me yesterday! On 1/4/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's the info as I posted it to the FIV group: http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/ccah/Homesite%20Images/Diagnostic%20PCR%20Price%20Schedule.doc (you have to scroll down quite some way to the section titled FIV DNA Testing Information.) FIV DNA Testing Information Lucy Whittier Molecular and Diagnostic Core Facility Phone: 530.752-7991 2108 Tupper Hall Fax: 530.754-6862 University of California Department of Medicine EpidemiologyEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] School of Veterinary Medicine Davis, CA 95616 Dear Clinician, Thank you for requesting information about our FIV DNA test. At this time we require 2 mL of whole blood in an EDTA (Lavender Top) Vacutainer tube, along with information outlined below. The test is offered at no charge. The PCR assay detects the viral genome directly and therefore differentiates infected from vaccinated animals. Results will be faxed to you within 48 hours upon receipt of the sample except for Friday deliveries, which will be faxed 72 hours upon receipt. Please include the following information with each sample: 1. Veterinarians name 2. Your complete mailing address 3. Your phone and fax number 4. Number of samples sent 5. Sample type 6. Species of animal 7. Type of test requested Shipping Instructions: 1. All Shipments must comply with the International Air Transport Association (IATA) Dangerous Goods regulations. Please consult the IATA website http://www.iata.org or the FedEx Dangerous Goods/Hazardous Materials Hotline at 800.463.3339(press 81) for further information. 2. Send on ice in a Styrofoam container (no ice needed for fixed tissues) 3. Ship overnight (Do not ship on Friday) 4. Use FedEx or other express courier 5. Federal Tax Identification Number 946036494 Shipping Address: Christian Leutenegger 2108 Tupper Hall Vet Med: Medicine Epid. Davis, CA 95616 Tel: 530.752.7991 The testing itself is free, but you have to pay for the vet to draw the blood and the overnight shipping (not cheap). Phaewryn http://ucat.us The easy way out has a bad reputation. Why would anyone take the hard way out? The door? No thanks, that would be the easy way out. I'm jumping out the window. Quote by: Les U. Knight -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV testing
Thanks Kerry. I assume the fiv dna testing would be beneficial if you have a cat that might have been vaccinated and you want to make sure the regular snap test isn't showing pos because of that? Do you have to bring the cat in or can you just send them blood samples? I'm going to cc this to the felv. There may be people interested in this info. Nina Kerry Roach wrote: Hi Nina, I forgot to mention last night about the free FIV dna testing at Univ of CA/ Davis..I don't know if it was posted at the felv group or not..I got it right before Bandy got sick at the FIV group.. I haven't been able to email it though..I guess it is some sort of security thing with that group. I don't know..I will try to print it out and send you the info if you haven't seen it. I'm not too good with all this computer stuff so I just try to figure things out the best I can..If I have to type it all, I will do that.. Just thought you might be interested in that since you have a FIV kitty..It is free, too..and you get the results really fast.. Kerry __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
mek: I'm seriously thinking of trying to figure out a way to condense what you said Mary into something concise enough to attach as part of my 'signature' - likewise for FeLV which research (and caregiver experience) are proving to be no where near the automatic death sentence it was once thought to be. Thanks for posting this! /mari here are two of the better articles on FIV: http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfm MC-- -- /mari (SpiritCat)Until there are none, adopt one.SpiritCat and the Mooseheart Mumpkeesof southeastern Texas[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
Yes! That was what I wanted to say!Yougo girl!tonyaTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argh.there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens.maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not evenconsidered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected momwill test positive until mom's antibodies are out of hersystem--between 6-10 months.no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a catwithout a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough formom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won'tmean anything.i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets outand into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe,DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checkshis record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living longenough to be found by you is slim to none.almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort thatboy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a highpercentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probablygetting it during rough sex.once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be thataggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing downor even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bitedeeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seemto turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couchpotatoes.at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becomingforever cats of the volunteers, because they were just suchsweethearts.i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmiewho must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he wouldhave initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIVcats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpesinfections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and atendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normalcats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just likenormal cats!as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it.it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how itmanifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinksthat being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms ofFIV.)here are two of the better articles on FIV:http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfmMC-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
RE: FIV+ cat wanted
Title: Message She is adopting one of mine on Sunday! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:34 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: FIV+ cat wanted Anyone in the area have a Fiv kitty needing a home? 1170927- Cat:AnyBronx,NY (718) 986-5463 Erin Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-21-2006 Name: N/AAge:AnySex:FSize:MDelete Seeking Friendly FIV+ Cat/Kitten, Who Gets Along Marvelously w/Other Cats I am looking to adopt a Female (or possibly, Male) FIV Positive cat with a wonderful, friendly disposition, who gets along Very Well with other cats. I currently have a two year old Male FIV+ cat at home, who, happens to be, the sweetest, most friendly creature, and I would love to provide him with a new friend. My cat (Riley) previously lived with another Male cat, who turned out to be Alpha Male in status ( a bit of a bully, in nature), and had a tendency of eating Rileys food before Riley was able finish his portion (the other cat would quickly gobble up his own food, and then race over to Rileys dish, push him out of the way, then slowly, attempt, to enjoy Rileys meal as well.) Once Riley and I got our own place, Ive seen my little man blossom. Im starting to feel, though, that he may be a little lonely during the day when I am not at home (I am currently taking Pre-Vet courses at Hunter College, hoping to eventually get a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine.) And believe it or not, I think he may slightly miss his old pal from the previous apartmentdespite his lowered status in that relationship, they really enjoyed playing and cuddling with each other; I remember them almost connected at the hip. I introduced Riley to another cat before (granted, it wasnt planned correctly-i.e. placing the new cat in another room, slowly introducing, not only him to the new environment, but Riley to a new animal in the house); the other cats reaction didnt sit well with Riley. She hissed violently and began swatting at him, and Riley quickly ran under the bed ( refused to come out for a few hours.) So I guess what Im looking for is a friendly cat, whose biggest flaw is that hes/shes been diagnosed with FIV. Im very educated on this condition and will be able to provide him/her with unconditional love frequent visits to the Vets Office. My cat is very healthy, and Im expecting him to live a very long and happy lifeI would love to provide that opportunity for another fabulous feline. Thank you for your time and consideration. I reside in a studio apartment in Riverdale (Bronx), NY (and will be living there until, at least, October of 2007.) All of the windows in the apartment have screens, and there is this wonderful little ledge (that Riley LOVES to sit upon) next to a large window overlooking trees. What the apartment lacks in size, it makes up for itself in other areas. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: FIV+ cat wanted
Send me one of those for California, please. I have the prettiest little Siamese mix foster girl who has tested FIV+[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Anyone in the area have a Fiv kitty needing a home? 1170927- Cat:AnyBronx,NY (718) 986-5463 Erin Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-21-2006Name: N/AAge:AnySex:FSize:MDelete Seeking Friendly FIV+ Cat/Kitten, Who Gets Along Marvelously w/Other Cats I am looking to adopt a Female (or possibly, Male) FIV Positive cat with a wonderful, friendly disposition, who gets along Very Well with other cats. I currently have a two year old Male FIV+ cat at home, who, happens to be, the sweetest, most friendly creature, and I would love to provide him with a new friend. My cat (Riley) previously lived with another Male cat, who turned out to be Alpha Male in status ( a bit of a bully, in nature), and had a tendency of eating Rileys food before Riley was able finish his portion (the other cat would quickly gobble up his own food, and then race over to Rileys dish, push him out of the way, then slowly, attempt, to enjoy Rileys meal as well.) Once Riley and I got our own place, Ive seen my little man blossom. Im starting to feel, though, that he may be a little lonely during the day when I am not at home (I am currently taking Pre-Vet courses at Hunter College, hoping to eventually get a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine.) And believe it or not, I think he may slightly miss his old pal from the previous apartmentdespite his lowered status in that relationship, they really enjoyed playing and cuddling with each other; I remember them almost connected at the hip. I introduced Riley to another cat before (granted, it wasnt planned correctly-i.e. placing the new cat in another room, slowly introducing, not only him to the new environment, but Riley to a new animal in the house); the other cats reaction didnt sit well with Riley. She hissed violently and began swatting at him, and Riley quickly ran under the bed ( refused to come out for a few hours.) So I guess what Im looking for is a friendly cat, whose biggest flaw is that hes/shes been diagnosed with FIV. Im very educated on this condition and will be able to provide him/her with unconditional love frequent visits to the Vets Office. My cat is very healthy, and Im expecting him to live a very long and happy lifeI would love to provide that opportunity for another fabulous feline. Thank you for your time and consideration. I reside in a studio apartment in Riverdale (Bronx), NY (and will be living there until, at least, October of 2007.) All of the windows in the apartment have screens, and there is this wonderful little ledge (that Riley LOVES to sit upon) next to a large window overlooking trees. What the apartment lacks in size, it makes up for itself in other areas. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: FIV+ cat wanted
YIPPEE!!! Well, how cool is that! Thank you for helping her she sounds like a very nice person. In a message dated 6/29/2006 9:37:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She is adopting one of mine on Sunday! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:34 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: FIV+ cat wanted Anyone in the area have a Fiv kitty needing a home? 1170927- Cat:AnyBronx,NY (718) 986-5463 Erin Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-21-2006 Name: N/AAge:AnySex:FSize:MDelete Seeking Friendly FIV+ Cat/Kitten, Who Gets Along Marvelously w/Other Cats I am looking to adopt a Female (or possibly, Male) FIV Positive cat with a wonderful, friendly disposition, who gets along Very Well with other cats. I currently have a two year old Male FIV+ cat at home, who, happens to be, the sweetest, most friendly creature, and I would love to provide him with a new friend. My cat (Riley) previously lived with another Male cat, who turned out to be Alpha Male in status ( a bit of a bully, in nature), and had a tendency of eating Rileys food before Riley was able finish his portion (the other cat would quickly gobble up his own food, and then race over to Rileys dish, push him out of the way, then slowly, attempt, to enjoy Rileys meal as well.) Once Riley and I got our own place, Ive seen my little man blossom. Im starting to feel, though, that he may be a little lonely during the day when I am not at home (I am currently taking Pre-Vet courses at Hunter College, hoping to eventually get a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine.) And believe it or not, I think he may slightly miss his old pal from the previous apartmentdespite his lowered status in that relationship, they really enjoyed playing and cuddling with each other; I remember them almost connected at the hip. I introduced Riley to another cat before (granted, it wasnt planned correctly-i.e. placing the new cat in another room, slowly introducing, not only him to the new environment, but Riley to a new animal in the house); the other cats reaction didnt sit well with Riley. She hissed violently and began swatting at him, and Riley quickly ran under the bed ( refused to come out for a few hours.) So I guess what Im looking for is a friendly cat, whose biggest flaw is that hes/shes been diagnosed with FIV. Im very educated on this condition and will be able to provide him/her with unconditional love frequent visits to the Vets Office. My cat is very healthy, and Im expecting him to live a very long and happy lifeI would love to provide that opportunity for another fabulous feline. Thank you for your time and consideration. I reside in a studio apartment in Riverdale (Bronx), NY (and will be living there until, at least, October of 2007.) All of the windows in the apartment have screens, and there is this wonderful little ledge (that Riley LOVES to sit upon) next to a large window overlooking trees. What the apartment lacks in size, it makes up for itself in other areas. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
RE: FIV+ cat wanted
Title: Message She sounds good and is coming over 11am on Sunday to adopt my Franny. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FIV+ cat wanted YIPPEE!!! Well, how cool is that! Thank you for helping her she sounds like a very nice person. In a message dated 6/29/2006 9:37:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She is adopting one of mine on Sunday! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:34 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: FIV+ cat wanted Anyone in the area have a Fiv kitty needing a home? 1170927- Cat:AnyBronx,NY (718) 986-5463 Erin Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-21-2006 Name: N/AAge:AnySex:FSize:MDelete Seeking Friendly FIV+ Cat/Kitten, Who Gets Along Marvelously w/Other Cats I am looking to adopt a Female (or possibly, Male) FIV Positive cat with a wonderful, friendly disposition, who gets along Very Well with other cats. I currently have a two year old Male FIV+ cat at home, who, happens to be, the sweetest, most friendly creature, and I would love to provide him with a new friend. My cat (Riley) previously lived with another Male cat, who turned out to be Alpha Male in status ( a bit of a bully, in nature), and had a tendency of eating Rileys food before Riley was able finish his portion (the other cat would quickly gobble up his own food, and then race over to Rileys dish, push him out of the way, then slowly, attempt, to enjoy Rileys meal as well.) Once Riley and I got our own place, Ive seen my little man blossom. Im starting to feel, though, that he may be a little lonely during the day when I am not at home (I am currently taking Pre-Vet courses at Hunter College, hoping to eventually get a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine.) And believe it or not, I think he may slightly miss his old pal from the previous apartmentdespite his lowered status in that relationship, they really enjoyed playing and cuddling with each other; I remember them almost connected at the hip. I introduced Riley to another cat before (granted, it wasnt planned correctly-i.e. placing the new cat in another room, slowly introducing, not only him to the new environment, but Riley to a new animal in the house); the other cats reaction didnt sit well with Riley. She hissed violently and began swatting at him, and Riley quickly ran under the bed ( refused to come out for a few hours.) So I guess what Im looking for is a friendly cat, whose biggest flaw is that hes/shes been diagnosed with FIV. Im very educated on this condition and will be able to provide him/her with unconditional love frequent visits to the Vets Office. My cat is very healthy, and Im expecting him to live a very long and happy lifeI would love to provide that opportunity for another fabulous feline. Thank you for your time and consideration. I reside in a studio apartment in Riverdale (Bronx), NY (and will be living there until, at least, October of 2007.) All of the windows in the apartment have screens, and there is this wonderful little ledge (that Riley LOVES to sit upon) next to a large window overlooking trees. What the apartment lacks in size, it makes up for itself in other areas. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTSSIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption!http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group!http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescuehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WAhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.htmlhttp://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.htmlPetfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet!http://www.petfinder.com/http://www.felineleukemia.org/http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTShttps://www.paypal.com/http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
Re: FIV+ cat wanted
That is FANTASTIC Joan!! Congratulations!! Rachel Operation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes On 6/29/06, Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She sounds good and is coming over 11am on Sunday to adopt my Franny. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FIV+ cat wanted YIPPEE!!! Well, how cool is that! Thank you for helping her she sounds like a very nice person. In a message dated 6/29/2006 9:37:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She is adopting one of mine on Sunday! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:34 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: FIV+ cat wanted Anyone in the area have a Fiv kitty needing a home? 1170927- Cat:AnyBronx,NY (718) 986-5463 Erin Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-21-2006 Name: N/AAge:AnySex:FSize:M Delete Seeking Friendly FIV+ Cat/Kitten, Who Gets Along Marvelously w/Other Cats I am looking to adopt a Female (or possibly, Male) FIV Positive cat with a wonderful, friendly disposition, who gets along Very Well with other cats. I currently have a two year old Male FIV+ cat at home, who, happens to be, the sweetest, most friendly creature, and I would love to provide him with a new friend. My cat (Riley) previously lived with another Male cat, who turned out to be Alpha Male in status ( a bit of a bully, in nature), and had a tendency of eating Rileys food before Riley was able finish his portion (the other cat would quickly gobble up his own food, and then race over to Rileys dish, push him out of the way, then slowly, attempt, to enjoy Rileys meal as well.) Once Riley and I got our own place, Ive seen my little man blossom. Im starting to feel, though, that he may be a little lonely during the day when I am not at home (I am currently taking Pre-Vet courses at Hunter College, hoping to eventually get a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine.) And believe it or not, I think he may slightly miss his old pal from the previous apartmentdespite his lowered status in that relationship, they really enjoyed playing and cuddling with each other; I remember them almost connected at the hip. I introduced Riley to another cat before (granted, it wasnt planned correctly-i.e. placing the new cat in another room, slowly introducing, not only him to the new environment, but Riley to a new animal in the house); the other cats reaction didnt sit well with Riley. She hissed violently and began swatting at him, and Riley quickly ran under the bed ( refused to come out for a few hours.) So I guess what Im looking for is a friendly cat, whose biggest flaw is that hes/shes been diagnosed with FIV. Im very educated on this condition and will be able to provide him/her with unconditional love frequent visits to the Vets Office. My cat is very healthy, and Im expecting him to live a very long and happy lifeI would love to provide that opportunity for another fabulous feline. Thank you for your time and consideration. I reside in a studio apartment in Riverdale (Bronx), NY (and will be living there until, at least, October of 2007.) All of the windows in the apartment have screens, and there is this wonderful little ledge (that Riley LOVES to sit upon) next to a large window overlooking trees. What the apartment lacks in size, it makes up for itself in other areas. Terrie Mohr-ForkerTAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUEOwner/DriverCheck sites for available Siameses for adoption! http://www.tazzys-siameses-collies.petfinder.org/Click Here to Join WASHINGTON SIAMESE RESCUE Yahoo Group! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/wasiameserescue http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SNOHOMISH_COUNTY_PETS_in_WA http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/index.html http://hometown.aol.com/tatorbunz/myhomepage/petmemorial.html Petfinder.comAdopt a Homeless Pet! http://www.petfinder.com/ http://www.felineleukemia.org/ http://www.petloss.com/TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS https://www.paypal.com/ http://www.frappr.com/wasiameserescue
RE: FIV+ cat wanted
Title: Message Thank you. I hope it works out. I can email her picture, if you want. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RachelSent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:54 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FIV+ cat wanted That is FANTASTIC Joan!! Congratulations!! Rachel Operation Foster Felix www.operationfosterfelix.org "Sharing Our Hearts, Homes Litter Boxes" On 6/29/06, Doljan, Joan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She sounds good and is coming over 11am on Sunday to adopt my Franny. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:50 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FIV+ cat wanted YIPPEE!!! Well, how cool is that! Thank you for helping her she sounds like a very nice person. In a message dated 6/29/2006 9:37:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: She is adopting one of mine on Sunday! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:34 PMTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: FIV+ cat wanted Anyone in the area have a Fiv kitty needing a home? 1170927- Cat:AnyBronx,NY (718) 986-5463 Erin Carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6-21-2006 Name: N/AAge:AnySex:FSize:MDelete Seeking Friendly FIV+ Cat/Kitten, Who Gets Along Marvelously w/Other Cats I am looking to adopt a Female (or possibly, Male) FIV Positive cat with a wonderful, friendly disposition, who gets along Very Well with other cats. I currently have a two year old Male FIV+ cat at home, who, happens to be, the sweetest, most friendly creature, and I would love to provide him with a new friend. My cat (Riley) previously lived with another Male cat, who turned out to be Alpha Male in status ( a bit of a bully, in nature), and had a tendency of eating Rileys food before Riley was able finish his portion (the other cat would quickly gobble up his own food, and then race over to Rileys dish, push him out of the way, then slowly, attempt, to enjoy Rileys meal as well.) Once Riley and I got our own place, Ive seen my little man blossom. Im starting to feel, though, that he may be a little lonely during the day when I am not at home (I am currently taking Pre-Vet courses at Hunter College, hoping to eventually get a doctorate in Veterinary Medicine.) And believe it or not, I think he may slightly miss his old pal from the previous apartmentdespite his lowered status in that relationship, they really enjoyed playing and cuddling with each other; I remember them almost connected at the hip. I introduced Riley to another cat before (granted, it wasnt planned correctly-i.e. placing the new cat in another room, slowly introducing, not only him to the new environment, but Riley to a new animal in the house); the other cats reaction didnt sit well with Riley. She hissed violently and began swatting at him, and Riley quickly ran under the bed ( refused to come out for a few hours.) So I guess what Im looking for is a friendly cat, whose biggest flaw is that hes/shes been diagnosed with FIV. Im very educated on this condition and will be able to provide him/her with unconditional love frequent visits to the Vets Office. My cat is very healthy, and Im expecting him to live a very long and happy lifeI would love to provide that opportunity for another fabulous feline. Thank you for your time and consideration. I reside in a studio apartment in Riverdale (Bronx), NY (and will be living there until, at least, October of 2007.) All of the windows in the apartment have screens, and there is this wonderful little ledge (that Riley LOVES to sit upon) next to a large window overlooking trees. What the apartment lacks in size, it makes up for itself in o
Re: FIV+ cat wanted
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RE: Spam: Re: FIV+ cat wanted
Yes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Spam: Re: FIV+ cat wanted Hi Joan, Are you doing a home visit? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Spam: Re: FIV+ cat wanted
I was holding my breath over the good news. Now I can exhale! Nina Doljan, Joan wrote: Yes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Spam: Re: FIV+ cat wanted Hi Joan, Are you doing a home visit?
Re: Spam: Re: FIV+ cat wanted
I will email on Wednesday, when I am back at work.Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was holding my breath over the good news. Now I can exhale!NinaDoljan, Joan wrote:Yes-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BelindaSent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:38 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Spam: Re: FIV+ cat wanted Hi Joan, Are you doing a home visit?
Re: FIV resources (black cats)
I have two black cats too, one with no teeth (well, he has his fangs, but nothing else), social issues (scared of men, fast movements, eye contact), and unpredictability issues (likes to cuddle in bed, then out of no-where attacks you, biting and claws); the other has seasonal allergies and goes bald in the fall (kinda cute, except he's miserable and itchy), tends to be unpredictable (you don't pick him up unless HE decides he wants you to), and is a dominant cat (likes to boss the others around, swats at them for no reason). I think I know why MINE aren't getting adopted, LOL! Luckily, one has white whiskers on one side of his face, so no collars needed to tell them apart (the other has his tongue sticking out the side of his mouth half the time, and a scar around his neck). Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006
Re: FIV resources (black cats)
I have a black cat too. She has some white on her belly and chest. Taylor is a bit shy but very loving. She likes me to sing to her. lolGina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have two black cats too, one with no teeth (well, he has his fangs, but nothingelse), social issues (scared of men, fast movements, eye contact), andunpredictability issues (likes to cuddle in bed, then out of no-where attacks you,biting and claws); the other has seasonal allergies and goes bald in the fall (kindacute, except he's miserable and itchy), tends to be unpredictable (you don't pick himup unless HE decides he wants you to), and is a dominant cat (likes to boss theothers around, swats at them for no reason). I think I know why MINE aren't gettingadopted, LOL!Luckily, one has white whiskers on one side of his face, so no collars needed to tellthem apart (the other has his tongue sticking out the side of his mouth half thetime, and a scar around his neck).PhaewrynPLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (forpictures) and HOMES for CATS!-- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.6/378 - Release Date: 6/28/2006No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Sneak preview the all-new Yahoo.com. It's not radically different. Just radically better.
Re: FIV resources
I placed an FIV+ cat, Charlie from the shelter where I volunteered, through one of the online FIV lists. The woman who took him has 12 or 13 FIV+ cats. We had to get him from MA to VA, and she picked him up there (she lives in TN). So it is possible. It's difficult, though. Michelle In a message dated 6/2/2006 2:30:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others.
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I haven't placed an FIV cat, but I know all about the all black cats. I have 6 of them right now. *sigh*. I have to have different color collars on them to tell them apart. I don't know why people don't want them. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:01 pm Subject: Re: FIV resources To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I placed an FIV+ cat, Charlie from the shelter where I volunteered, through one of the online FIV lists. The woman who took him has 12 or 13 FIV+ cats. We had to get him from MA to VA, and she picked him up there (she lives in TN). So it is possible. It's difficult, though. Michelle In a message dated 6/2/2006 2:30:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
An fiv test is not accurate until a cat is around 6 months old. I wouldn't worry about it until then. Even then I wouldn't worry about it. As stated fiv is rarely transmitted between neutered/spayed cats.. if ever! I have NEVER heard of it being transmitted except through males (unneutered) fighting, and or mating.Most fiv cats never even get sick from it. They might have more gingivitis and need dentals, Mine had ear infections from time to time (but his ears were folded down, so we didn't know which one caused it. He lived to a ripe old age right along with all my own cats and fosters that came and went.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello!From what I've read about FIV, it's very rare for a mother to pass onthe virus directly to her kittens (unlike FeLV). I would definitelyhave her retested in a few months and wouldn't be surprised if sheturned up negative. But FIV is not like FeLV in that cats with FIVusually live long, asymptomatic lives. I also wouldn't worry aboutmixing your positive and negative...the virus can only be transmitted bya deep bite wound (typically seen with un-neutered, feral males whofight each other). I don't think you'll have any problem with thelittle one! ;)I don't know much about the vaccine only that subsequent FIV testing ona vaccinated cat can come up positive because of the vaccine. Eitherway, I think your older guy will be just fine...FeLV is considered morecontagious than FIV and I've mixed my FeLV guys with my non-FeLV guysand no one has ever turned up positive.Bless your heart for caring for the little one! What is her name?Jen"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:44 amSubject: FIV infected KittenTo: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: FIV infected Kitten
- Original Message - From: Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:27 pm Subject: Re: FIV infected Kitten To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I too have a kitten who just tested a faint positive for FeLV. She is eight weeks old. I am awaiting her second test when she is sixteen weeks of age. I just recently joined this list for support and to gain knowledge about the disease. Gina I had a kitten just recently retest neg after testing pos. I only waited 3 days, though, because I wanted to get the rest of the litter tested. Since every kitten tested neg, the vet told me I could consider the first test result a bad test. So there is hope:)
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I am hoping for that too! I've heard sometimes there are false positives and other reasons why they test positive the first round, then negative later. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message -From: Gina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Date: Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:27 pmSubject: Re: FIV infected KittenTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I too have a kitten who just tested a faint positive for FeLV. She is eight weeks old. I am awaiting her second test when she is sixteen weeks of age. I just recently joined this list for support and to gain knowledge about the disease. Gina I had a kitten just recently retest neg after testing pos. I only waited 3 days, though, because I wanted to get the rest of the litter tested. Since every kitten tested neg, the vet told me I could consider the first test result a bad test. So there is hope:)No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
Re: FIV infected kittens
Bandy is FIV+, and his internal med vet said it would probably never come in to play..The only thing she said is that it would keep his immune system lower than normal since he is Felv+, too.. I give him as many natural immune boosters that I can get him to eat..I usually alternate them. He has lived with 3 other kitties and none were positive for FIV, and only one for Felv during the past 5 yrs.. Yahoo! Sports Fantasy Football 06 - Go with the leader. Start your league today!
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Hello! From what I've read about FIV, it's very rare for a mother to pass on the virus directly to her kittens (unlike FeLV). I would definitely have her retested in a few months and wouldn't be surprised if she turned up negative. But FIV is not like FeLV in that cats with FIV usually live long, asymptomatic lives. I also wouldn't worry about mixing your positive and negative...the virus can only be transmitted by a deep bite wound (typically seen with un-neutered, feral males who fight each other). I don't think you'll have any problem with the little one! ;) I don't know much about the vaccine only that subsequent FIV testing on a vaccinated cat can come up positive because of the vaccine. Either way, I think your older guy will be just fine...FeLV is considered more contagious than FIV and I've mixed my FeLV guys with my non-FeLV guys and no one has ever turned up positive. Bless your heart for caring for the little one! What is her name? Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:44 am Subject: FIV infected Kitten To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: FIV infected Kitten
There are indeed people who have had their kitties come back as negative later on. I'm sure you will hear from them, too. In addition, even if your kitty does stay positive, there are many kitties who have relatively few health problems and live for years. Personally, I would keep the cats separated for now until your older one is tested and vaccinated, just to be on the safe side. But I don't think they need to be separated forever by any means. I think the vaccination would definitely be sufficient protection to allow them to be together. Is your kitten displaying any symptoms, or is it healthy? Everyone on this list will have great suggestions for helping boost your kitten's immune system. I myself am just learning a lot of this, too, so will leave it to the pros to direct you. But, just to give you one example, my cat Spaz was not diagnosed with leukemia until she was 8 years old. I had gotten her and her sister, Gizmo, when they were about 9 weeks old. At the time of Spaz's diagnosis, I also had gotten two more kittens about 10 months prior. All were mixing and mingling, eating out of same dishes, etc. until this diagnosis. NONE of the other cats tested positive. We vaccinated them and let them remingle. That's been nearly 6 years ago!! Spaz is quite healthy, by the way. Runs around like a kitten sometimes. I did come very close to losing her twice, and one not-so-good upper resp. infection, but otherwise, just little things that could happen to any cat, and most of the time has been as if she wasn't positive at all. Of course, the doctors simply cannot understand why she has lived so long. But it is because I didn't give up before it was really her time. So I hope that eases your mind and gives you some hope. There will be much other positive support headed your way, I'm sure. You have come to the right place! Krishttp://www.spazstory.zoomshare.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:44 AM Subject: FIV infected Kitten I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: FIV infected Kitten
I am not sure about FIV; I'm more up-to-date on FeLV, which is different. I do know that cats with FIV can live a long time with it. Once FIV kicks in though, it's not a good thing. I don't know how FIV is spread, but for now I think it would be wise to keep the two cats separated until you know more about FIV. I do not know if FIV can be 'thrown off' as kitty gets older like FeLV can. Make sure you do the research on the FIV vaccine. The FeLV vaccine is not real reliable (I think the figures are 75-80 percent effective, but don't quote me on that). The FIV vaccine might be more reliable, and of course if it is, vaccinate your other baby. FeLV is not spread easily, but not sure about FIV. Also, don't take everything your vet says with complete trust, because what we've found here is that many times we are more in the know on FeLV than our vets are. Many, many vets just say euthanize upon a positive test, but we don't believe that here, and most, if not all of us, use vets that aren't so fatalistic. If your vet doesn't seem to want to work with you when you talk to him/her, then look for another one. Also, there should be an FIV group, like this FeLV one. See if you can join that one where you can hopefully get reliable info. Good luck in your research and let us know what you find out, :) Wendy Dallas, Tx __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: FIV infected kittes
The kitten's name is Karma and she appears to be healthy - she is afeisty playful little thing. I will keep her away from my big cat forright now until I have him tested and vaccinated and talked to the vetabout it again, I would realy like them to be together eventually. He isalready fixed and I will have her fixed as soon as allowed so we neverhave to worry about kittens. My vet is great he asked me several timesnot to let anybody talk me into putting her down, he has one himselfthat wasgoing to be put down eight years ago and whom is still goingstrong inspite of a infection now and then, but I do wish he had told methat there might be a slim chance that she is not infected but that itmight be the mothers anti bodies that caused the test to be possitive,something I still pray for. Am still looking for sites specialised inFIV but have been unable to find any sofar but I appreciate your emailsand will keep you informed if you's like!
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Hi, We found my cat Simba, at about the age of 5 weeks. He tested positive for FIV. We had him retested at approx 6 mos he was still positive. It is true that FIV tests of young kittens may only be picking up maternal antibodies, so it would be a good idea to retest the little guy after 6 mos. Simba is going to be 8 years old in July. We have allowed him to mix freely with our other 12 cats all along none of ours has ever tested positive. He even gets into occasional spats w/ one of the others he licks several that he is good friends with, shares bowls, litterboxes, etc it has never caused a problem. He is so healthy that we've had him retested several times over the years, because it's just so hard to believe that he is positive. He keeps coming back positive, but I've stopped worrying about it. I just make sure he gets good care thank God that he is healthy. I have also elected not to vaccinate due to a study done at Cornell awhile back that found that viral loads for the FIV increased after vaccination. I don't recall how I initially foundout about this study, but I did call talk to them to confirm the info. I have not heard anything about it ever since, tho. I'll have to do a little digging see if that wasresearched any further. I don't have a reference that I can give you right off hand, but I'll look for one.Simba did get his initial round of vaccinations as a kitten, however. This was my experience...personally, I have no qualms about mixing FIV+ with negatives, but everybody has to do what works for their situation. Hope this helps. Yvonne In a message dated 6/22/2006 7:45:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??
Re: FIV Infected Kitten
I also wanted to clarify that when I say I don't vaccinate, I mean I don't have Simba getanyvaccinations, other than the ones he got as a kitten before I knew he was positive. The research that I was referring to was with regard to routine vaccinations...this was before there was an FIV vaccine. Just wanted to make sure it didn't sound like I was talking about the FIV vaccine. I don't give my others the FIV vaccination, either, since it would cause them to always test positive for FIV, according to my vet. yvonne
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I remember now where I got the info regarding the increased viral loads after routine vaccinations...I called for a consultation at Cornell talked to one of their vets she told me about their findings...I believe the study was not yet published (this was around 1999 or 2000) may not have even been complete at the time, so that's why I don't have a reference to something in print. All I've been able to come up with so far is the following from VetMedCenter - Consumer - Article Details : "Vaccination of FIV positive cats is controversial. While it is essential that risks of common diseases such as Panleukopenia and upper respiratory infections be eliminated, vaccination may pose some risk for the immune-compromised cat. Many veterinarians will elect to devise a modified vaccination protocol for FIV positive cats. This usually includes extended vaccination intervals and the use of killed vaccines. " So, I've just elected not to give Simba any further vaccinations since his initial round as a kitten. I'll try to find more info about that research, since I'd rather give you some hard evidence, rather than just my word. If I find anything, I'll let you know. Take care! Yvonne
Re: FIV infected kittes
Hi new FIV kitten's mom, FIV is not the same thing as Felv. I think some of our list members are responding as if Karma has tested pos for felv. I haven't heard good things about the FIV vaccine. From what I remember, and I'm no expert on FIV, there are two (?) different types and, again I'm not sure, but one vaccine doesn't protect against the other. I just remember debate about whether or not the vaccine is effective. I do know that once you give a cat the vaccine, they will test pos for FIV for the rest of their lives. No big deal I guess, unless your older cat gets lost and someone that doesn't have the heart you do finds him and tests him. Although I understand your being upset by the pos test results, I'm not sure I would sweat any of this until you have Karma retested when she's older, (at least 3 months). I would test your older cat, just to know what his status is. From all I've heard it is only possible to transmit FIV by serious bites, so I'm betting there is no danger to your older cat from Karma. There is also the consideration of getting the two of them together while Karma is such a little baby when your older cat is more likely to be friendly to her. My gut feeling, for what it's worth, is that Karma is fine and will test neg later. FIV is not like Felv in that it is not usually transmitted from mother to kitten in utero or during nursing. Unless some nasty FIV infected Tom took a bite out of your baby before she got to you, she probably doesn't have FIV at all. Is there any physical evidence that Karma was attacked by a cat? It sounds like you have a wonderful vet, you probably don't know how lucky you are! There is a group for FIV kitty guardians that you should join, they will be more current on everything FIV than we are: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FivCats/ Wishing you and your babies the very best, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kitten's name is Karma and she appears to be healthy - she is a feisty playful little thing. I will keep her away from my big cat for right now until I have him tested and vaccinated and talked to the vet about it again, I would realy like them to be together eventually. He is already fixed and I will have her fixed as soon as allowed so we never have to worry about kittens. My vet is great he asked me several times not to let anybody talk me into putting her down, he has one himself that wasgoing to be put down eight years ago and whom is still going strong inspite of a infection now and then, but I do wish he had told me that there might be a slim chance that she is not infected but that it might be the mothers anti bodies that caused the test to be possitive, something I still pray for. Am still looking for sites specialised in FIV but have been unable to find any sofar but I appreciate your emails and will keep you informed if you's like!
Re: FIV infected kittes--MY soapbox!
MaryChristine, I too have 2 fiv boys and they are the sweetest babies,and so far very healthy.They are from our sanctuary that I volunteer,all the cats there are so sweet. SherryTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: argh.there is essentially no such thing as an FIV positive kittens.maternal transmission is incredibly rare, and is still not evenconsidered a normal mode of infection. kittens with an infected momwill test positive until mom's antibodies are out of hersystem--between 6-10 months.no sanctuary or rescue that specializes in FIV cats will take a catwithout a positive western blot test, as the snap test is only about60% accurate. a western blot given before a kitten is old enough formom's immunities to have worn off WILL test positive, but it won'tmean anything.i would NEVER vaccinate a cat against FIV--if the cat ever gets outand into the shelter system, he will test positve (not maybe,DEFINITELY), and unless he's microchipped and someone actually checkshis record to see he's been vaccinated, his chances of living longenough to be found by you is slim to none.almost all FIV is spread via DEEP, PENETRATING WOUNDS--the sort thatboy cats inflict while fighting over girls. that's why a highpercentage of FIV cats are boys, with those girls who have it probablygetting it during rough sex.once neutered, almost all male cats lose any desire to be thataggressive. in cases where a tom DOES remain aggressive, filing downor even removing the canine teeth makes it impossible for him to bitedeeply enough to pass on the virus. most FIV cats, once neutered, seemto turn into very healthy, very large, very lazy, very cuddly couchpotatoes.at the sanctuary where i worked, many FIV cats ended up becomingforever cats of the volunteers, because they were just suchsweethearts.i have two FIVs in my household right now, a timid flamepoint himmiewho must have gotten out and been attacked cuz there's NO way he wouldhave initiated an argument on his own, and an adolescent coonie. FIVcats tend to be very healthy--they have a higher incidence of herpesinfections (easily kept in check with the addition of lysine), and atendency toward other mouth problems. they get sick just like normalcats, and they get better when treated in a timely manner, just likenormal cats!as one of my vets puts it, FIV cats die WITH the virus, not from it.it is TOTALLY different from FeLV in how it's spread, and how itmanifests itself. (well, after 18 years, the sanctuary director thinksthat being fat and lazy and cuddly are the only consistent symptoms ofFIV.)here are two of the better articles on FIV:http://www.afa.arlington.ma.us/FIV.htmlhttp://www.bestfriends.org/theanimals/petcare/cats_fiv.cfmMC-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
I too have a kitten who just tested a faint positive for FeLV. She is eight weeks old.I am awaiting her second test when she is sixteen weeks of age. I just recently joined this list for support and to gain knowledge about the disease.Gina[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
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Hi,I just posted about my FeLV positive kitten in response to your email.I'm sorry I somehow read your post as FeLV+ kitten.At any rate, I am new here, but I can speak to the subject of FIV. I had a FIV+ cat named Buddy who lived to the age of 18. He was an adult cat who tested positive for FIV whenI took him in, in 1992. A year later, after giving him a home, my husband and I took in two seven day old kittens--Tigger and Taylor--who tested positive for FIV.We decided to keep them all together being that they all had FIV. They thrived, none of them had any major illnesses. Seven years later, we took in another kitty who was around 10 weeks old (Bob). He tested negative for FIV. At that time we restested every cat because the vet was curious about Tigger, Taylor and Buddy's FIV status. It turns out that Tigger and Taylor were negative! The vet believes that they tested positive when they were newly born because of their mother's antibodies and not because they really were FIV+. Buddy still tested positive. At that point we decided to keep Bob since Tigger and Taylor had not gotten the disease from Buddy in seven years.So,Tigger and Taylorlived seven years with FIV+ Buddy anddidn't getFIV. In addition, Buddy lived another five years and Bob never got the disease from him either. They all shared the same food, water, and litter boxes. Buddy groomed the heck out of every kitten we had, but there were never any bites inflicted by Buddy. So in that way perhaps it's different than FeLV in that it's not transmitted through casual contact. I don't know much about FeLV.I hope this helps as far as giving yousome information from our experience with FIV. If you have any other questions about our Buddy and other cats, please ask.Gina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been researching the net for information on FIV in kittens and hope to get more info here. My daughter came home two weeks ago with a little freal kitten appr. 5 weeks old. We already hav a 3 year old cat and had not planned on another cat, but ofcourse everybody in the family fell in love with this little thing. Yesterday we were told she tested positive for FIV, which realy upset everybody, but we have decided to keep her and deal with things as they come. Now I read that when a little kitten tests positive, you need to keep testing it until at least 6 month of age because it might be mothers anti-bodies, passed through mothers milk that might make the test come back positive. Is there anybody in this forum that indeed had that happen, meaning that at first the test came back positive but later negative? I know we are grasping at straws, but hope helps. We are also trying to decide whether to keep the two cats separate for ever or introduce them anyhow, I will talk to the vet to have the older one tested too now and if that comes back negative, to have him vacinated, but wonder whether that would be sufficient protection. Any advise??No heaven wil not ever Heaven be Unless my cats are there to welcome me.--epitaph in a pet cemetery Tiggertales ~ a site about our beloved felines Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Please join the FIV cats group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FIVCats2/Statistically, 2 out of 3 kittens born to an FIV+ mother test negative once they have been weaned and have had time to clear maternal antibodies. In practice the kittens almost always clear antibodies within 2 or 3 months of weaning and test negative. Don't keep testing the poor little kitten now. Test after 6 months of age. Most of the vets around here won't even test such a young kitten because the assumption is that the test is just not reliable. And please do join the FIV group. FIV is not easily transmitted and most of us in that group have had mixed positive/negative households for year.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
The FIV vaccine is completely NOT ever recommended by anyone of authority in animal medicine. Most responsible vets don't use it at all, because it makes the cat it's given to test positive for FIV for the rest of their life. As for the person who stated that it only protected against certain forms of the virus, that is correct: There are five strains of FIV virus, called Clades. The vaccine was made using Clades A and D and tested using Clade A. Clade B, for example, is a very common strain in most regions of the U.S. and no testing of the vaccine has been performed thus far against Clade B. This means that a pet owner might wrongly believe they were protecting their cat fully against the FIV virus with this vaccine. California has both Clades A and B. Here's the article that went out when the current FIV vaccine was first approved by thye FDA for use in cats: FELINE IMMUNODEFICIENCY VIRUS: VACCINE March 25, 2002 Source: AScribe Newswire, 22 Mar 2002 [edited] First Vaccine for Cat AIDS Approved for Veterinary Use The first vaccine for feline immunodeficiency virus (FIV) was approved for commercial production and veterinary use today by the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA). The patented vaccine for this disease, which is a cat form of AIDS, has been licensed for manufacture to Fort Dodge Animal Health, a division of Wyeth. Patents for the vaccine are held by the University of California and the University of Florida. The vaccine should be available to veterinarians by this summer. This vaccine offers the first effective protection for cats against this often fatal disease, said Niels Pedersen, director of the Center for Companion Animal Health and an international authority on retroviruses and immunologic disorders of small animals. The success of the FIV vaccine also offers hope that eventually a vaccine will be developed that will effectively protect against AIDS in humans. Pedersen and immunologist Janet Yamamoto, now a professor in the University of Florida's College of Veterinary Medicine, first isolated the FIV in cats at UC Davis in 1986. Yamamoto began work on a vaccine for the virus at UC Davis and continued her research at the University of Florida, Gainesville. She has worked with researchers at Fort Dodge Animal Health for more than a decade to develop the vaccine. We are delighted that many years of research are now coming to fruition and providing cat owners and veterinarians with a protective vaccine for FIV, added Larry Fox, director of technology transfer for UC Davis. Fox formerly was director of Corporate Molecular Biology at Abbott Laboratories, where he was involved in development of the first HIV assay and a subsequent recombinant DNA assay for HIV. Research on vaccines for the different viruses that cause AIDS in cats, monkeys, and humans continues at UC Davis, which has the distinction of being home to a veterinary school, medical school, and a regional primate research center. Feline immunodeficiency virus is transmitted from cat to cat mainly through bite wounds, because the virus is present at high levels in the saliva. Like human AIDS, the virus attacks the body's immune system, making the animal susceptible to diseases and infections that usually would have little effect on an FIV-free animal. Cats infected with FIV may remain healthy for 5 to 10 years before symptoms such as diarrhea, weight loss, fever, swollen lymph nodes, and chronic infections appear. Although infected cats may recover from their initial illness, they become lifelong carriers of the virus. It is estimated that between 2 percent and 25 percent of the global domestic cat population is infected with the virus, according to the USDA. Infection rates are highest in Japan and Australia and lowest in the United States and Europe. Outdoor roaming cats, older cats, and cats with chronic ill-health are more likely to be infected. Aggressive free-roaming males, which are most likely to get into fights with other cats, are at greatest risk for contracting FIV. FIV does not infect or cause disease in humans. The newly approved vaccine is known as a killed vaccine, made from an inactivated form of the FIV virus itself. The vaccine stimulates the protective immune response in the animal's body without the danger of inadvertently causing the viral disease. The new vaccine is composed of virus strains from 2 different types of FIV, 1 from North America and 1 from Asia. In a study demonstrating the efficacy of the vaccine, cats received 3 doses of the FIV vaccine and a year later were exposed to a different strain of the virus. It was found that 67 percent of the vaccinated cats were protected against the virus, while 74 percent of the non-vaccinated cats became infected with FIV. Studies indicate that the vaccine provides protection against FIV for at least 12 months. Now THIS is interesting, as far as FIV vaccines is concerned. This is NEWER studies being done by the same person who invented the
Re: FIV infected Kitten
I wish my sister and I had known that 3 years ago when she rescued a litter of 4 almost 3 years ago and all 4 of them were given the FIV vaccine. I have 2, she has 2. Boy was I ticked off when I found out it's not necessary. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Cool Catholic Stuff! Click Here -- www.TotallyCatholic.com/Theresa Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350Come check me out on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/terricrazycatlady - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:21 PM Subject: Re: FIV infected Kitten The FIV vaccine is completely NOT ever recommended by anyone of authority in animalmedicine. Most responsible vets don't use it at all, because it makes the cat it'sgiven to test positive for FIV for the rest of their life.
Re: FIV infected Kitten
Well, 4 years ago was when it was first released, and at that time, MANY vets were unaware that cats it was given to would always test positive for life... also it was all hyped up at the time in all the scientific journals, so many vets got on board during that phase.. then realized after some time that it wasn't quite what they were expecting it to be. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 6/21/2006
Re: FIV resources
I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Re: FIV resources
We've got an FIV guy here...the sweetest, most laid back little dude I've ever met! I didn't know much about FIV other than it was pretty hard to spread it and that cats can live relatively normal lives with the virus. But what really set me straight was the attitude of my vet who basically said, No big deal, I've got one at my house who mingles with all of my other cats! As much as I knew in my heart it was no big deal, it really gave me a peace of mind hearing it from an expert, so-to-speak! :) Education is probably the key, and having more vets out there to dispel the myths would certainly come in handy (and this goes for FeLV, too)! As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be some of the coolest cats around, or is it just me? ;) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 8:37 am Subject: Re: FIV resources To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's discouraging. I have never placed an FIV+ cat. I have 5 or 6, and they're wonderful. Something to work on, I guess. Gloria At 01:29 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us/http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlhttp://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Re: FIV resources
My FIV cats have always been pretty affection and mellow. But then so are my non-FIV cats. I do think that, as tomcats go, the ones who aren't all that into fighting are more inclined to get beaten up and get FIV.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've got an FIV guy here...the sweetest, most laid back little dudeI've ever met! I didn't know much about FIV other than it was prettyhard to spread it and that cats can live relatively normal lives withthe virus. But what really set me straight was the attitude of my vetwho basically said, "No big deal, I've got one at my house who mingleswith all of my other cats!" As much as I knew in my heart it was no bigdeal, it really gave me a peace of mind hearing it from an "expert,"so-to-speak! :)Education is probably the key, and having more vets out there to dispelthe "myths" would certainly come in handy (and this goes for FeLV, too)!As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be some of the coolestcats around, or is it just me? ;)"But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will beunique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; Youbecome responsible, forever, for what you have tamed..." --Antoine deSaint-Exupéry"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will knoweach other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and whatyou do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys." --Chief DanGeorge"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long..." --Blade Runner- Original Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 8:37 amSubject: Re: FIV resourcesTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's discouraging. I have never placed an FIV+ cat. I have 5 or 6, and they're wonderful. Something to work on, I guess. Gloria At 01:29 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Re: FIV resources
Lucky you, with a vet like that! No, I remember MC (tenhousecats) saying that at their large rescue up in Michigan, the FIV's were sweet and laid back - and all mine six are (and healthy too, no problelms). Gloria At 08:56 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: We've got an FIV guy here...the sweetest, most laid back little dude I've ever met! I didn't know much about FIV other than it was pretty hard to spread it and that cats can live relatively normal lives with the virus. But what really set me straight was the attitude of my vet who basically said, No big deal, I've got one at my house who mingles with all of my other cats! As much as I knew in my heart it was no big deal, it really gave me a peace of mind hearing it from an expert, so-to-speak! :) Education is probably the key, and having more vets out there to dispel the myths would certainly come in handy (and this goes for FeLV, too)! As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be some of the coolest cats around, or is it just me? ;) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 8:37 am Subject: Re: FIV resources To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's discouraging. I have never placed an FIV+ cat. I have 5 or 6, and they're wonderful. Something to work on, I guess. Gloria At 01:29 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us/http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.htmlhttp://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlhttp://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Re: FIV resources
I think FIV cats seem to be the sweetest too - trapped one the other day and the poor boy peed in the trap, he was so frightened. That's the first time that's ever happened to me. There are a whole bunch of rescue people a little north of where I am who instead of saying the cat tested FIV+, say the cat has AIDS. It bugs me! Maybe coincidently, maybe not, the vets they use tend to think they should be put down too. Kills me! Janine --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No big deal -- those were the exact words of one of my vets when Scooter tested FIV+ And my current vet (part of an AAHA certified veterinary hospital) is also similarly enlightened, including on the question of FIV+ and FIV- cats mixing. I know how lucky I am. I know this is not the standard across the US [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lucky you, with a vet like that! No, I remember MC (tenhousecats) saying that at their large rescue up in Michigan, the FIV's were sweet and laid back - and all mine six are (and healthy too, no problelms). Gloria At 08:56 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: We've got an FIV guy here...the sweetest, most laid back little dude I've ever met! I didn't know much about FIV other than it was pretty hard to spread it and that cats can live relatively normal lives with the virus. But what really set me straight was the attitude of my vet who basically said, No big deal, I've got one at my house who mingles with all of my other cats! As much as I knew in my heart it was no big deal, it really gave me a peace of mind hearing it from an expert, so-to-speak! :) Education is probably the key, and having more vets out there to dispel the myths would certainly come in handy (and this goes for FeLV, too)! As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be some of the coolest cats around, or is it just me? ;) But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long... --Blade Runner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 2, 2006 8:37 am Subject: Re: FIV resources To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org It's discouraging. I have never placed an FIV+ cat. I have 5 or 6, and they're wonderful. Something to work on, I guess. Gloria At 01:29 AM 6/2/2006, you wrote: I have a couple of FIV+ cats of my own and a beautiful little Siamese mix foster who is FIV+ They take longer to place. We have to try harder. We have to work at educating people. But we have to get the message out that FIV cats can live long happy lives and are not furry little lepers. Consider how language reflects mindset and affects actions. Does it really take longer to place an FIV cat than a senior or a special needs cat? Or an all black cat? Some take longer than others. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name) http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND: Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him, Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home! http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
Re: FIV resources
My FIV+, Simba, is sooo cool...he used to play fetch when he was a kitten. He'd go after those feathers on a long stick pick the whole thing up in his mouth bring it back it was bigger than he was! In a message dated 6/2/2006 8:57:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As an aside, is it true that FIV cats seem to be some of the coolestcats around, or is it just me? ;)
Re: FIV resources
I have one up for adoption too... they are hard to place. Phaewryn (was Jenn, changed name)http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah (UCAT) Cat Rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html PLEASE DONATE TO THE TANGLE FUND:Tangle is a cat in Greece that was severely injured when someone wrapped wire around his neck to strangle him,Little Cheetah Cat Rescue is raising funds to bring Tangle to Vermont to find him a good home!http://ucat.us/tangle-fund.htmlDONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures), and more towels! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006
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Hi Rachel, Aside from our adoption pages http://www.bemikitties.com/felv/cgi-bin/suite/classifieds/classifieds.cgi do you have any info on the kitty? (How old, male/female, temperment, shots, etc)? Kat (Mew Jersey) On Wed, 31 May 2006, Rachel wrote: Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:36:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rachel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: FELV TALK List felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV resources does anyone know of resources for placing an FIV cat? I am exploring all options at this point and have a possible adopter, but don't want to wait to find out they do not want to take the cat. Kitty's Location is Hackettstown, NJ (north-western NJ) Rachel Folk will know how large your soul is by the way you treat a dog C. Doran - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
RE: FIV cat
Hi, I strongly suggest that she be tested for Western blot to confirm that she is really positive for FIV 3 out of 8 cats who tested positive on ELISA, ended up being false positive I live in NM if someone transportation can be arranged, I will take her if you cant find any alternatives. I think there a couple of other people on the list who were willing to take FIV kitty, I think Also, I suggest that you post this to FIVcats2 yahoo group please make sure that its #2 group, and not FIVcats. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kathie and Donna Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 10:04 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV cat Our small rescue group has a very sweet female cat that has tested + for FIV. For several weeks she has been boarding at the vet's as we are all way over capacity in our homes. Unfortunately, we can't afford to board her there indefinately, nor would that be fair to her. We are near Cleveland. Does anyone know of a sanctuary or person who would be willing to adopt her? Thanks for any help. Kathie
Re: FIV and calico
Yes, Nina, I was saying in our shelter, the majority of the FIV cats ARE male, but with the female positives, most of them ARE calicos. And, second to the female calico FIV+s, are the solid black females (FIV+). Just an observation at our shelter Never really thought about "color distinction" before this thread started. Patti
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Now that I think of it,the Fiv cats at our shelter are all males but 2 are females and they are Calicos too. Sherry[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Nina, I was saying in our shelter, the majority of the FIV cats ARE male, but with the female positives, most of them ARE calicos. And, second to the female calico FIV+s, are the solid black females (FIV+). Just an observation at our shelter Never really thought about "color distinction" before this thread started. Patti Yahoo! DSL Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less
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Got it! I missed the male/female part. I knew my own fiv was a black male, and have only dealt with a few others through the shelter. They were all black males. BIG, intact males with lots of battle scars too.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Nina, I was saying in our shelter, the majority of the FIV cats ARE male, but with the female positives, most of them ARE calicos. And, second to the female calico FIV+s, are the solid black females (FIV+). Just an observation at our shelter Never really thought about "color distinction" before this thread started. Patti
Re: FIV and calico
In a message dated 12/30/05 11:41:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Meaning, the majority of the positive "females" are calico
Re: FIV and calico
I am SOOO confused! lol.I don't remember who started this topic, but were they saying the majority of ALL fiv cats are calicos or the majority of female positives only?? Because I do know there are many more male fiv positives than females. So it wouldn't make sense if most fiv's are calicos because most are males and male calicos are rare. Does that make sense?Someone straighten me out!!!My fiv was black by the wayt[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/30/05 11:41:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos..Meaning, the majority of the positive "females" are calico
Re: FIV and calico
Well, it seems to be a question that there is not currently an known correct answer to, but folks are providing their own experience with colors and FIV. I have 5 FIV cats - 3 males, 2 females, no calico, no orange. Gloria At 05:53 PM 12/31/2005, you wrote: I am SOOO confused! lol. I don't remember who started this topic, but were they saying the majority of ALL fiv cats are calicos or the majority of female positives only?? Because I do know there are many more male fiv positives than females. So it wouldn't make sense if most fiv's are calicos because most are males and male calicos are rare. Does that make sense? Someone straighten me out!!! My fiv was black by the way t [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/30/05 11:41:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Meaning, the majority of the positive females are calico
Re: FIV and calico
i think it's all my fault--i happened to mention that, at the sanctuary where i lived and worked, the majority of the FEMALE fiv's were calico. as the human spokesperson for CaLiCo (Calico Liberation Coalition), it made perfect sense to me, as it is well-known that calicos are the most adventurous of all cats and especially love to party darn, there i go again--it's a JOKE, folks. not that the majority of the girl positives were calico, because that is indeed true, but that there's any logical or physiological or demographic reason behindthe observation. (tho, there's no evidence against the theory, either.) On 12/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it seems to be a question that there is not currently an knowncorrect answer to, but folks are providing their own experience with colors and FIV.I have 5 FIV cats -3 males, 2 females, no calico, no orange.GloriaAt 05:53 PM 12/31/2005, you wrote:I am SOOO confused! lol.I don't remember who started this topic, but were they saying the majority of ALL fiv cats are calicos or the majority of female positivesonly??Because I do know there are many more male fiv positives thanfemales.So it wouldn't make sense if most fiv's are calicos because most are males and male calicos are rare. Does that make sense?Someone straighten me out!!!My fiv was black by the wayt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 12/30/05 11:41:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos..Meaning, the majority of the positive females are calico-- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892
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Any black, Gloria? N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it seems to be a question that there is not currently an known correct answer to, but folks are providing their own experience with colors and FIV. I have 5 FIV cats - 3 males, 2 females, no calico, no orange. Gloria
Re: FIV and calico
No, they were saying that in their experience, the majority of the female FIV cats had been calicos. I don't remember seeing the start of this thread either, but it was either Patti, or MC that made the observation about a shelter/sanctuary situation. It was only an observation. Seems to me someone posted a paste from an authoritative source asking if there was any known correlation between fur color, (ie calico/orange gene) and FIV occurrence. From what I remember about that post, (I wish I could find it!), the fellow found the question interesting, but couldn't corroborate any studies involving color. He went on to talk about assertiveness associations and we all grabbed the ball and started talking about how calicos, (who are usually female and feisty), would logically be more likely to become infected because they're more likely to not back away from a fight. Did that help, or are you still confused? :) Nina catatonya wrote: I am SOOO confused! lol. I don't remember who started this topic, but were they saying the majority of ALL fiv cats are calicos or the majority of female positives only?? Because I do know there are many more male fiv positives than females. So it wouldn't make sense if most fiv's are calicos because most are males and male calicos are rare. Does that make sense? Someone straighten me out!!! My fiv was black by the way t
Re: FIV and calico
FIV: 2 black male, 1 black female, 1 siamese mix female, 1 b w male FELV: 1 black male, 1 gray and white dlh male, 1 white w/ black tail male, 1 white w/ black tail female, 1 tabby gray w/ white paws female ALL ARE SWEETHEARTS too! ;) Gloria On Dec 31, 2005, at 11:00 PM, Nina wrote: Any black, Gloria? N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it seems to be a question that there is not currently an known correct answer to, but folks are providing their own experience with colors and FIV. I have 5 FIV cats - 3 males, 2 females, no calico, no orange. Gloria
Re: FIV and calico
My first FELV cat was calico - Calawalla Banana Booboo, a real darling. However, I now have several FELV cats and FIV cats. None are calico. If there's any predominance in color, it's black. My friend Susan has several FELV and FIV, and I don't recall seeing a calico. FYI - Gloria On Dec 30, 2005, at 5:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both female cats that I have had with FIV (still have Buddy) were and are calico Michelle
Re: FIV and calico
Calico's are notoriously feisty, strong willed and for lack of a better euphemism, leader-oriented. I'd never heard that they were more likely to get FIV, but the personality aspect sure makes sense, (same thing with the orange boys). Very interesting. MC, what's the name of the Calico group you talk about? Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Both female cats that I have had with FIV (still have Buddy) were and are calico Michelle
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You know, I never really stood back and looked at the shelter's FIV females as far their colors, etc. Now, reading this, it really hits home Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Also, second to the calicos are the solid black girls... Very odd. Nina, what you said about them being "feisty" is so true, and does make sense. Also, we see many more males testing positive for Felv/FIV, but the females we have had with both viruses have also been calicos. Patti
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I thought male calicos were very rare?t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I never really stood back and looked at the shelter's FIV females as far their colors, etc. Now, reading this, it really hits home Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Also, second to the calicos are the solid black girls... Very odd. Nina, what you said about them being "feisty" is so true, and does make sense. Also, we see many more males testing positive for Felv/FIV, but the females we have had with both viruses have also been calicos. Patti
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actually, male calicos are not THAT rare-- one in 3,000, i believe. however, FERTILE male calicos are very uncommon. CaLiCo (Calico Liberation Coalition) is a radical, left-paw social and political organization dedicated to world domination we have weekly chats, message boards. On 12/30/05, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought male calicos were very rare? t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I never really stood back and looked at the shelter's FIV females as far their colors, etc. Now, reading this, it really hits home Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Also, second to the calicos are the solid black girls... Very odd. Nina, what you said about them being feisty is so true, and does make sense. Also, we see many more males testing positive for Felv/FIV, but the females we have had with both viruses have also been calicos. Patti -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Ha!Well I had dinner with a friend of mine tonight who is our shelter director. She was telling me they had a calico male and was going on about how uncommon they are. I was thinking they were uncommon kind of like yellow females, but she said they were much more rare.I do tend to confuse calicos with torties..I happen to have 2 calico cats. One I would call a tortie, and the other I would call a calico. My 'calico' is my positive, DD. You can see her on the frappster site!I'm trying to get her to come to me right now with no success(to get a nail trim). She doesn't go for the nonchalant act of mine... Both of these cats are female and very domineering, but then so is my female gray tabby. lol. My guys just kind of 'hang out'. What's with that???Iwant to join CaLiCo!!!tTenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:actually, male calicos are not THAT rare-- one in 3,000, i believe. however, FERTILE male calicos are very uncommon.CaLiCo (Calico Liberation Coalition) is a radical, left-paw social and political organization dedicated to world domination we have weekly chats, message boards. On 12/30/05, catatonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought male calicos were very rare?t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, I never really stood back and looked at the shelter's FIV females as far their colors, etc. Now, reading this, it really hits home Our FIV+ girls are few (10% female, 90% male), but the majority of them ARE calicos.. Also, second to the calicos are the solid black girls... Very odd. Nina, what you said about them being "feisty" is so true, and does make sense. Also, we see many more males testing positive for Felv/FIV, but the females we have had with both viruses have also been calicos. Patti -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV positive kitten I posted about recently PTS at vet's
I'm sorry, Pam - it's so sad when things like that happen. Gloria At 11:53 AM 12/12/2005, you wrote: Apparently the 7-month-old FIV positive kitty that I posted about recently that the vet techs were trying to save after its owner wanted it PTS after it tested positive caught calicivirus upper respiratory while at the vets and quickly became very ill. The vets decided to put it to sleep. Probably wouldn't have if it hadn't tested positive, and in fact it may well have recovered despite its positive status if treated, but I expect they felt it would require intensive care and they didn't feel they had the time and money to invest in it, especially since it hadn't been adopted. This is very sad, since it had no symptoms when it came in. So Belinda, you can take our ad off the adoption pages (the one that's headed Help or I'm dead in a week - poor little kitty, he was going to be euthanized if no home was found, and while everyone scurried around to try to find him a home he caught something that other kitties would maybe easily get over and it proved to be his death sentence anyway). Could you put him on the memorial list? -- ___ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10
RE: FIV/FeLV
That's very true,, according to the professor Pedersen at UC Davis, at least 50 % of FIV positive cats will live normal life span ..which seems to be right.. I have 6 FIV cats and some are older kitties, but they are just so healthy (big fat couch potatoes..) and I am very grateful of it,,, and sometime I forget that they even have FIV... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2005 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: FIV/FeLV and, to be tacky, even if the FeLV get FIV, the FeLV is far more likely to manifest itself in a negative way before the FIV will On 12/7/05, Patricia Lamoretti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, as I see it, the FIV+ is more likely to contract the FeLV virus than the other way around, I would guess. That's how I see it and it's very unlikely the FeLV contracts the FIV unless you have a very unhappy household. Thanks. PAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1) I'm so sorry to hear of Callie passing to the bridge Tad. It's a heartwrenching experience to have to send them there but Callie was a lucky girl to have a family who fought with her and loved her until the end and who eased her pain when she so needed to let go. She will always be a part of you. 2) In realtion the the FIV/FeLV mixing - Buddy and Minstrel were mixed in the sanctuary and have been together for 2.5 years. Minstrel is FeLV+ and Buddy who is FIV+ recently tested FeLV- Michelle, Minstrel, Buddy Angel Bramble Yahoo! Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Yahoo! Personals for free -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: FIV list ?
And Cosmo probably bit off his whiskers.. :) Julie Johnson wrote: Oh, Terri, I am so very sorry. I lost my Tater Tot on Sunday night to FIP. It's hideous and devastating; you're in my thoughts and I hope Cosmo and Tater Tot met right away at the Bridge. Tater Tot's probably being a little pest and swatting Cosmo's tail.Julie Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm so sorry Terri. Big hugs to you.Goodnight, sweet Cosmo...=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Terri Durham-Stone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: FIV list ? Cosmo, I called him Cosimo, died on Saturday of FIP... He was a singleton dropped off at Petco. He had all his shots, neutered, micro chipped and then all of a sudden started losing weight and then the big belly - like jello. It broke my heart, I just thank god he was with me and not been adopted out. He is out of any pain now and with his friends Picasso, Minnow, Albany and many others. Thank you Terri Belinda Sauro wrote: > I'm sorry Terri, sounds like you've been having a really rough time > of it. If you'd like him listed send me the details. > > -- > Belinda > Happiness is being owned by cats ... > > Be-Mi-Kitties ... > http://www.bemikitties.com > > Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens > http://adopt.bemikitties.com > > FeLV Candle Light Service > http://www.bemikitties.com/cls > > HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) > http://HostDesign4U.com > > --- > > BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) > http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love much, Laugh Often "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
RE: FIV list ?
Title: Message Terri, I am so sorry aboutCosmo.FIP is such a horrible disease. Please accept my sympathies. Joan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri Durham-StoneSent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 8:37 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: FIV list ?And Cosmo probably bit off his whiskers.. :) Julie Johnson wrote: Oh, Terri, I am so very sorry. I lost my Tater Tot on Sunday night to FIP. It's hideous and devastating; you're in my thoughts and I hope Cosmo and Tater Tot met right away at the Bridge. Tater Tot's probably being a little pest and swatting Cosmo's tail.Julie Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry Terri. Big hugs to you.Goodnight, sweet Cosmo...=^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^=Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/ My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/ My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Terri Durham-Stone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: FIV list ?Cosmo, I called him Cosimo, died on Saturday of FIP... He was a singleton dropped off at Petco. He had all his shots, neutered, micro chipped and then all of a sudden started losing weight and then the big belly - like jello. It broke my heart, I just thank god he was with me and not been adopted out. He is out of any pain now and with his friends Picasso, Minnow, Albany and many others. Thank you Terri Belinda Sauro wrote: I'm sorry Terri, sounds like you've been having a really rough time of it. If you'd like him listed send me the details. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love much, Laugh Often "I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948) Paws Come WITH Claws!!! If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life "Spay and Neuter" Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
Re: FIV list ?
Oh, Terri, I am so very sorry. I lost my Tater Tot on Sunday night to FIP. It's hideous and devastating; you're in my thoughts and I hope Cosmo and Tater Tot met right away at the Bridge. Tater Tot's probably being a little pest and swatting Cosmo's tail. Julie Terri Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm so sorry Terri. Big hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Cosmo... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Terri Durham-Stone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: FIV list ? Cosmo, I called him Cosimo, died on Saturday of FIP... He was asingleton dropped off at Petco. He had all his shots, neutered, microchipped and then all of a sudden started losing weight and then the bigbelly - like jello. It broke my heart, I just thank god he was with meand not been adopted out. He is out of any pain now and with hisfriends Picasso, Minnow, Albany and many others.Thank youTerriBelinda Sauro wrote: I'm sorry Terri, sounds like you've been having a really rough time of it. If you'd like him listed send me the details. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com--Terri Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh Often"I hold that, the more helpless a creature, the more entitled it is to protection by man from the cruelty of man. " "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." Mohandas Gandhi (1869-1948)Paws Come WITH Claws!!!If you're thinking about de-clawing your cat, you need to re-think your decision to acquire a pet.__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: FIV list ?
I'm sorry Terri, sounds like you've been having a really rough time of it. If you'd like him listed send me the details. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIV list ?
Cosmo, I called him Cosimo, died on Saturday of FIP... He was a singleton dropped off at Petco. He had all his shots, neutered, micro chipped and then all of a sudden started losing weight and then the big belly - like jello. It broke my heart, I just thank god he was with me and not been adopted out. He is out of any pain now and with his friends Picasso, Minnow, Albany and many others. Thank you Terri Belinda Sauro wrote: I'm sorry Terri, sounds like you've been having a really rough time of it. If you'd like him listed send me the details. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life Spay and Neuter Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
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sigh. just too many beautiful little lives going off to the bridge lately--i'd glad he had you, too; he found you when he needed you, and you gave him the love and security he needed to go on. GLOW to heal your heart. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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I have added both Cosimo and Tater Tot to the service. So sad, so young -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Terri, I'm so sorry about Cosmo. So many babies dying it's hard to bare. Sheila
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I'm so sorry Terri. Big hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Cosmo... =^..^= Terri, Salome', Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, and 5 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth and Alec =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My FeLV Site: http://pages.ivillage.com/ruthiegirl1/MyFeLVinformationSite/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: Terri Durham-Stone To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: FIV list ? Cosmo, I called him Cosimo, died on Saturday of FIP... He was asingleton dropped off at Petco. He had all his shots, neutered, microchipped and then all of a sudden started losing weight and then the bigbelly - like jello. It broke my heart, I just thank god he was with meand not been adopted out. He is out of any pain now and with hisfriends Picasso, Minnow, Albany and many others.Thank youTerriBelinda Sauro wrote: I'm sorry Terri, sounds like you've been having a really rough time of it. If you'd like him listed send me the details. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com--Terri Durham-StoneSafe a Life "Spay and Neuter"Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
RE: FIV list ?
Yes, there is - I copied you on the list -but I think you will have to join before you get postings. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terri Durham-Stone Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 4:56 PM To: FELV Talk List Subject: FIV list ? Is there an FIV pos list - my 2 newest kittens were just tested - Pos today What's next ,,, I really shouldn't ask the way things have been going. Oh on the candle light ceremony Albany was listed as non-pos but he was positive for FELV, but he died from FIP. Thank you though for listing him Terri -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life Spay and Neuter Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
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Hi Terri have changed Albany's listing :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: FIV list ?
Thank you so much !! We had another one whom we lost to FIP on Saturday Been a yucky month !! Terri Belinda Sauro wrote: Hi Terri have changed Albany's listing :) -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Terri Durham-Stone Safe a Life Spay and Neuter Live well, Love much, Laugh Often
Re: FIV+ Kitty
Amy You forgot to mention WHERE the kitty is located... On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Amy Wilkins wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV+ Kitty Just got a call from my vet about a female torti that she found at her barn that tested FIV+. She is willing to give me til the end of the day to see if we can find anybody that might be interested in taking her. She said she did fine on the car ride and is fine in the cage and will do ok in an indoor home. I'm getting married in a couple weeks and I have a very sick leuk positive at my home now so I just can't introduce this one into my home. Would anybody be willing to take her? She will spay her and worm her free of charge and I can transport her. She is an adult, possibly 3 or 4, don't know at this point. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html
Re: FIV+ Kitty
oops, the kitty is in Rochester, NY but I will take care of transport. Thanks!! --- Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Amy You forgot to mention WHERE the kitty is located... On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Amy Wilkins wrote: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 05:38:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Amy Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: FIV+ Kitty Just got a call from my vet about a female torti that she found at her barn that tested FIV+. She is willing to give me til the end of the day to see if we can find anybody that might be interested in taking her. She said she did fine on the car ride and is fine in the cage and will do ok in an indoor home. I'm getting married in a couple weeks and I have a very sick leuk positive at my home now so I just can't introduce this one into my home. Would anybody be willing to take her? She will spay her and worm her free of charge and I can transport her. She is an adult, possibly 3 or 4, don't know at this point. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com __ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
Re: FIV+ Kitty
Are you in Rochester, NY? Gloria On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:38 AM, Amy Wilkins wrote: Just got a call from my vet about a female torti that she found at her barn that tested FIV+. She is willing to give me til the end of the day to see if we can find anybody that might be interested in taking her. She said she did fine on the car ride and is fine in the cage and will do ok in an indoor home. I'm getting married in a couple weeks and I have a very sick leuk positive at my home now so I just can't introduce this one into my home. Would anybody be willing to take her? She will spay her and worm her free of charge and I can transport her. She is an adult, possibly 3 or 4, don't know at this point. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com
Re: FIV+ Kitty
Yes, I'm in Rochester, NY as well. --- Gloria Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you in Rochester, NY? Gloria On Jul 12, 2005, at 7:38 AM, Amy Wilkins wrote: Just got a call from my vet about a female torti that she found at her barn that tested FIV+. She is willing to give me til the end of the day to see if we can find anybody that might be interested in taking her. She said she did fine on the car ride and is fine in the cage and will do ok in an indoor home. I'm getting married in a couple weeks and I have a very sick leuk positive at my home now so I just can't introduce this one into my home. Would anybody be willing to take her? She will spay her and worm her free of charge and I can transport her. She is an adult, possibly 3 or 4, don't know at this point. Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com Amy Wilkins Woof Wagon www.woofwagon.com Sell on Yahoo! Auctions no fees. Bid on great items. http://auctions.yahoo.com/
