Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
O yea... medical model. Actually, I think I'd be looking into Acemann or ImmunoRegulin or sometime like that... Best of luck, Gloria On Jan 21, 2007, at 8:05 AM, TenHouseCats wrote: you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient! On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal. At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here. Almost like they are saying "well, she's old and she's got FIP, there's nothing we can do", but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP! Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is "hopeless" in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of consultation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
you're up against the old medical model, which holds true in veterinary as well as in human medicine: diagnosis/treat/cure. if you can't do those things in one swell foop, blame the patient! On 1/21/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal. At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here. Almost like they are saying "well, she's old and she's got FIP, there's nothing we can do", but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP! Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is "hopeless" in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of consultation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html -- Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Renee is who I "inherited" my colony of feral cats from, some of which are FIV+. Just FYI. Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Renee, I think the main difference between the way Dr. Clifford treats you with Emily and the way he's treating Michelle with Lucy is that Emily's breast cancer is considered more treatable, where they are not giving Michelle any hope, and are more or less annoyed that she hasn't given up yet with something they see as terminal. At least that's what I'm pulling from what's been posted here. Almost like they are saying "well, she's old and she's got FIP, there's nothing we can do", but yet they don't seem to be AWARE of the studies that prove Feline Interferon Omega's effectiveness on FIP! Michelle, if I were you, I would be slamming copies of studies down on some desks around that place and making some heads roll if they treated me so disrespectfully! It might not hurt to REMIND them that you are PAYING them for their service, and even if your cat is "hopeless" in their eyes, you DESERVE to get your money's worth of consultation! Phaewryn http://ucat.us Adopt a New England FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FIVadopt.html Special Needs Cat Links (and feline info library): http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Declawing Creates SUFFERING, Please don't declaw! http://www.pawproject.com/kona.html
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Oh, I have read most of the posts about Emily. I forgot-- sorry. I am glad she is doing well. Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 9:00:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer. She had two surgeries and she is getting chemo now. She is not FELV positive nor are any of my other cats. I'm here because of Phaewryn. When she found out about Emily's cancer she posted here to see if anyone had any experience with that kind of cancer. I have been quietly lurking, more or less, ever since. Renee
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Yeah, I guess Dr. Clifford is a bit frustrated about not being able to give you an answer right away. And the calls may be a bit more than he is used to, especially considering how hectic it gets there, but it's certainly understandable why you would need to make those phone calls. As for Emily, she has mammary gland cancer. She had two surgeries and she is getting chemo now. She is not FELV positive nor are any of my other cats. I'm here because of Phaewryn. When she found out about Emily's cancer she posted here to see if anyone had any experience with that kind of cancer. I have been quietly lurking, more or less, ever since. Renee In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:49:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1) you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully makes sense)-- he has been having to field a lot of questions not necessarily related to cancer because they don't know what is wrong with her and I happened to make an aptmt with him b/c the ER vet said lymphoma. I can't call the internist because he is still my listed doctor and I have not even met the internist-- she looked at Lucy in back-- and now the internist is on vacation and there is a new one who has not even seen her. So Dr. Clifford is it, and I am annoying him with questions that may be out of his field, and which are certainly not what is used to dealing with. And, I saw him yesterday, called twice after I got home, and called twice this morning. so maybe that seems excessive. But things kept changing and I had questions. Plus he kept giving us timelines that would then change, so I was questioning him on this as well (he said she needed to be seen on Sat but the receptionist called and said she didn't so I wanted to talk to him about that). etc. What is Emily's story? Is she FeLV+? what is she being treated for and what is she getting? how is she doing? If you have posted this already, I apologize. I have not been able to keep up with all threads lately. Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:36:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist. I'm sorry that you are having a bad experience with him. Can you call the Internist rather than Dr. Clifford with your questions?Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and they will have some concrete answers for you tomorrow morning. Renee
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Well, there are two possibilities as to why he is more patient with you: 1) you are less annoying than I am (extremely possible), or 2) Emily actually has cancer and he doesn't think Lucy does (though I am wondering if the pred she has been on is masking it, as no other diagnosis fully makes sense)-- he has been having to field a lot of questions not necessarily related to cancer because they don't know what is wrong with her and I happened to make an aptmt with him b/c the ER vet said lymphoma. I can't call the internist because he is still my listed doctor and I have not even met the internist-- she looked at Lucy in back-- and now the internist is on vacation and there is a new one who has not even seen her. So Dr. Clifford is it, and I am annoying him with questions that may be out of his field, and which are certainly not what is used to dealing with. And, I saw him yesterday, called twice after I got home, and called twice this morning. so maybe that seems excessive. But things kept changing and I had questions. Plus he kept giving us timelines that would then change, so I was questioning him on this as well (he said she needed to be seen on Sat but the receptionist called and said she didn't so I wanted to talk to him about that). etc. What is Emily's story? Is she FeLV+? what is she being treated for and what is she getting? how is she doing? If you have posted this already, I apologize. I have not been able to keep up with all threads lately. Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:36:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist. I'm sorry that you are having a bad experience with him. Can you call the Internist rather than Dr. Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and they will have some concrete answers for you tomorrow morning. Renee
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Michelle, Dr. Clifford is my Emily's oncologist. I'm sorry that you are having a bad experience with him. Can you call the Internist rather than Dr. Clifford with your questions? Hopefully Lucy's fever will stop spiking and they will have some concrete answers for you tomorrow morning. Renee In a message dated 1/19/2007 6:12:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Craig Clifford. In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me. Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers, Renee
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Craig Clifford. In a message dated 1/19/2007 5:30:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me. Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers, Renee
RE: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
(This email from Michelle didn't reach me directly.) Just want to say shame on this oncologist. He should be understanding of your fears and concerns and respect the fact you have worked hard to be so knowledgeable about your beloved pets. You wouldn't even be talking to him if you didn't love your Lucy so dearly. Don't let him get to you. Lucy's welfare is the most important thing. hugs, Kerry M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 4:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan?? Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me. Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers, Renee >>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:25:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around. her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to tell. Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums, as those spots are right over the canines. Her paw pads are still pink, though not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet said you can't always tell from gums and paw pads. i asked the oncologist if they checked her reticulite count to see if she is regenerative or not, and he said that they did not and there was no point until they know if she has cancer, because if she does have lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo (but he does not think it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is not???). He is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions and acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client having knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is more willing to work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the specialists because he feels they know more than he does<< IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Michelle, which oncologist are you dealing with over at Redbank? Hope it's not the one I'm using as he has been very patient with me. Lucy continues to be in my thoughts and prayers, Renee >>Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 14:25:49 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan?? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around. her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to tell. Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums, as those spots are right over the canines. Her paw pads are still pink, though not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet said you can't always tell from gums and paw pads. i asked the oncologist if they checked her reticulite count to see if she is regenerative or not, and he said that they did not and there was no point until they know if she has cancer, because if she does have lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo (but he does not think it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is not???). He is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions and acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client having knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is more willing to work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the specialists because he feels they know more than he does<<
RE: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Michelle - don't let BP issue stop using epogen though in the future - you just need to watch it - if BP goes over 170 or something, you can give norvasc to control BP so that she won't become blind - you can do certain things to prevent it - If you haven't please read this link - it's mainly for CRF kitties - abut it has a great information regarding anemia.. http://www.felinecrf.org/anaemia.htm _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan?? Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around. her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to tell. Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums, as those spots are right over the canines. Her paw pads are still pink, though not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet said you can't always tell from gums and paw pads. i asked the oncologist if they checked her reticulite count to see if she is regenerative or not, and he said that they did not and there was no point until they know if she has cancer, because if she does have lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo (but he does not think it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is not???). He is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions and acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client having knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is more willing to work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the specialists because he feels they know more than he does. Since Lucy does seem to have a heart murmer now and enlarged heart (which they said could be from the anemia) the point about epogen raising blood pressure does scare me some, and makes me want to try it under a vet's watch if possible. I have been noticing that I can see her pulse on her neck, though it might just be because she is shaved. When her fever was really high her irises in her eyes were also pulsating a bit, which Phaerwyn found could be from a heart problem. So given these things, I am a little more scared about epogen now knowing about the blood pressure issue. Of course, if her HCT keeps going down that will kill her, and epogen doesn't work right away so should be started as soon as possible, which leaves me in a quandary. She ate a few more pieces of dry EVO. As long as she is eating a little bit of dry I am loathe to syringe her. I did syringe her 3 cc's of raw food this morning, probably another cc of it with her lysine pill, she ate a capful of baby food, and at this point probably 20 or 30 pieces of dry EVO. About 10 minutes ago I pet her and, for the first time in 2 days, she stood up to be pet and started rubbing her face on a bag of catnip on her box. I gave her some catnip and she ate it and then rubbed her face in it, and then curled up and went to sleep. I think she feels better when her fever comes down for a while, and that is when she eats a little and wants to be pet more. For the last few days she got feverish only in the afternoon to night; now it seems on and off all day. Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:28:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Acemmanan might be back ordered - I order for my dog, JoJo a month ago and it's not available until February-if anyone has in their hand, please let Michelle know -- - do you think he will prescribe epogen?Please keep an eye on her gum as if her PCV goes now, you might want to really pay attention to that.
Re: Lucy--what to do?-- anyone have acemannan??
Thanks, Hideyo. Yes, if anyone has any acemannan-- can I please buy some from you?? If we use it, I don't think we can wait until February. I kind of doubt Lucy will last that long without something to turn her around. her gums are mostly gray, with only a few pink spots, so it is hard to tell. Those spots are still somewhat pink, but it could be from inflamed gums, as those spots are right over the canines. Her paw pads are still pink, though not as pink as usual. No less pink than yesterday, though. But the vet said you can't always tell from gums and paw pads. i asked the oncologist if they checked her reticulite count to see if she is regenerative or not, and he said that they did not and there was no point until they know if she has cancer, because if she does have lymphoma the anemia should respond to chemo (but he does not think it's cancer, so why not check it so we know more if it is not???). He is getting annoyed at this point by my phone calls and questions and acts very curt on the phone. He is not a vet who is impressed by a client having knowledge, he is a vet who is annoyed by it. My local vet is more willing to work with me, but at this point wants to defer to the specialists because he feels they know more than he does. Since Lucy does seem to have a heart murmer now and enlarged heart (which they said could be from the anemia) the point about epogen raising blood pressure does scare me some, and makes me want to try it under a vet's watch if possible. I have been noticing that I can see her pulse on her neck, though it might just be because she is shaved. When her fever was really high her irises in her eyes were also pulsating a bit, which Phaerwyn found could be from a heart problem. So given these things, I am a little more scared about epogen now knowing about the blood pressure issue. Of course, if her HCT keeps going down that will kill her, and epogen doesn't work right away so should be started as soon as possible, which leaves me in a quandary. She ate a few more pieces of dry EVO. As long as she is eating a little bit of dry I am loathe to syringe her. I did syringe her 3 cc's of raw food this morning, probably another cc of it with her lysine pill, she ate a capful of baby food, and at this point probably 20 or 30 pieces of dry EVO. About 10 minutes ago I pet her and, for the first time in 2 days, she stood up to be pet and started rubbing her face on a bag of catnip on her box. I gave her some catnip and she ate it and then rubbed her face in it, and then curled up and went to sleep. I think she feels better when her fever comes down for a while, and that is when she eats a little and wants to be pet more. For the last few days she got feverish only in the afternoon to night; now it seems on and off all day. Michelle In a message dated 1/19/2007 1:28:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Acemmanan might be back ordered – I order for my dog, JoJo a month ago and it ’s not available until February—if anyone has in their hand, please let Michelle know -- - do you think he will prescribe epogen?Please keep an eye on her gum as if her PCV goes now, you might want to really pay attention to that.
