Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
You are so right. I can testify as to the quality of the vets I have consulted. They charge me at least $200 to $300 every visit and tell me erroneous info. One of my dogs had a benign cyst. I took her down to the vet. He extracted the cyst, but when they shaved her tummy they nicked her with the razor. When the bandage was removed I couldn't understand what had caused the wound. The vet either knowingly or unknowingly said it was another growth. He charged me another $200 for antibiotic and the office visit. I later asked a friend what they thought it was. When he said it was a nick from the razor, everything fell into place. I have since then learned not to trust vets, but to be skeptical about what they say. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/06 6:48 PM I think that the reason this list is different is that it takes a different sort of person to want to and be willing to care for cats with FeLV. It takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot of willingness to face hard things, and also a willingness to have an open mind and do some research. All of this makes the list self-selecting, I think, to people who are more generally compassionate and less combative than on other lists. And people withh FeLV positive cats also have to deal with the fact that most vets are just abysmal and clueless on this subject, which makes us really need to depend on each other to learn the information that we all need to take care of our cats. Which, I think, also makes us nicer and less combative than people on other lists, because we really NEED to be here for very practical reasons, and we really need, and recognize that we need, each other's advice and information. With FeLV we do not have the luxury of alienating each other in order to have a petty argument. I am not sure that people on other lists feel so dependent on each other. In fact, on one of the IBD lists a woman really, really tore into me for questioning something that another member had been told by a vet. She wrote that it was completely inappropriate for me to do that because I do not have a veterinary degree. It was one of the reasons I left that list. I can not imagine anyone on this list writing that. We have all had such bad experiences with vets, so we don't put them on a pedestal. Which does make us need each other more. Just my thoughts. I have spent some time thinking about the subject, because this list really is so amazing, and so much better than all the others. Michelle Nancy Schneider Management Analyst Dept of Transportation 12544 Saticoy St N Hollywood 91605 Voice(818) 756-9558 Fax (818) 756-9245
RE: OT: Why is this list so nice?
Well said, Michelle. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nancy Schneider Sent: Friday, October 27, 2006 10:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Why is this list so nice? You are so right. I can testify as to the quality of the vets I have consulted. They charge me at least $200 to $300 every visit and tell me erroneous info. One of my dogs had a benign cyst. I took her down to the vet. He extracted the cyst, but when they shaved her tummy they nicked her with the razor. When the bandage was removed I couldn't understand what had caused the wound. The vet either knowingly or unknowingly said it was another growth. He charged me another $200 for antibiotic and the office visit. I later asked a friend what they thought it was. When he said it was a nick from the razor, everything fell into place. I have since then learned not to trust vets, but to be skeptical about what they say. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/26/06 6:48 PM I think that the reason this list is different is that it takes a different sort of person to want to and be willing to care for cats with FeLV. It takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot of willingness to face hard things, and also a willingness to have an open mind and do some research. All of this makes the list self-selecting, I think, to people who are more generally compassionate and less combative than on other lists. And people withh FeLV positive cats also have to deal with the fact that most vets are just abysmal and clueless on this subject, which makes us really need to depend on each other to learn the information that we all need to take care of our cats. Which, I think, also makes us nicer and less combative than people on other lists, because we really NEED to be here for very practical reasons, and we really need, and recognize that we need, each other's advice and information. With FeLV we do not have the luxury of alienating each other in order to have a petty argument. I am not sure that people on other lists feel so dependent on each other. In fact, on one of the IBD lists a woman really, really tore into me for questioning something that another member had been told by a vet. She wrote that it was completely inappropriate for me to do that because I do not have a veterinary degree. It was one of the reasons I left that list. I can not imagine anyone on this list writing that. We have all had such bad experiences with vets, so we don't put them on a pedestal. Which does make us need each other more. Just my thoughts. I have spent some time thinking about the subject, because this list really is so amazing, and so much better than all the others. Michelle Nancy Schneider Management Analyst Dept of Transportation 12544 Saticoy St N Hollywood 91605 Voice(818) 756-9558 Fax (818) 756-9245 IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
I think that the reason this list is different is that it takes a different sort of person to want to and be willing to care for cats with FeLV. It takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot of willingness to face hard things, and also a willingness to have an open mind and do some research. All of this makes the list self-selecting, I think, to people who are more generally compassionate and less combative than on other lists. And people withh FeLV positive cats also have to deal with the fact that most vets are just abysmal and clueless on this subject, which makes us really need to depend on each other to learn the information that we all need to take care of our cats. Which, I think, also makes us nicer and less combative than people on other lists, because we really NEED to be here for very practical reasons, and we really need, and recognize that we need, each other's advice and information. With FeLV we do not have the luxury of alienating each other in order to have a petty argument. I am not sure that people on other lists feel so dependent on each other. In fact, on one of the IBD lists a woman really, really tore into me for questioning something that another member had been told by a vet. She wrote that it was completely inappropriate for me to do that because I do not have a veterinary degree. It was one of the reasons I left that list. I can not imagine anyone on this list writing that. We have all had such bad experiences with vets, so we don't put them on a pedestal. Which does make us need each other more. Just my thoughts. I have spent some time thinking about the subject, because this list really is so amazing, and so much better than all the others. Michelle
RE: OT: Why is this list so nice?
In addition to what Michelle said .. I think many people on the list are not egotistical for some reasons.. we dont really care about being rightwe just want to help others in any way we can.. lots of people on the list dont even have felk kitties but still stay on the list because of the nature of the group of people.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2006 7:48 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT: Why is this list so nice? I think that the reason this list is different is that it takes a different sort of person to want to and be willing to care for cats with FeLV. It takes a lot of compassion, and also a lot of willingness to face hard things, and also a willingness to have an open mind and do some research. All of this makes the list self-selecting, I think, to people who are more generally compassionate and less combative than on other lists. And people withh FeLV positive cats also have to deal with the fact that most vets are just abysmal and clueless on this subject, which makes us really need to depend on each other to learn the information that we all need to take care of our cats. Which, I think, also makes us nicer and less combative than people on other lists, because we really NEED to be here for very practical reasons, and we really need, and recognize that we need, each other's advice and information. With FeLV we do not have the luxury of alienating each other in order to have a petty argument. I am not sure that people on other lists feel so dependent on each other. In fact, on one of the IBD lists a woman really, really tore into me for questioning something that another member had been told by a vet. She wrote that it was completely inappropriate for me to do that because I do not have a veterinary degree. It was one of the reasons I left that list. I can not imagine anyone on this list writing that. We have all had such bad experiences with vets, so we don't put them on a pedestal. Which does make us need each other more. Just my thoughts. I have spent some time thinking about the subject, because this list really is so amazing, and so much better than all the others. Michelle
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
I like the layout ofyour site. What kind of cat graphic do you have in mind. I would like to help you find one if you would like.Gina Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Belinda,I am planning to open an account on Petfinder. Right now all the kitties I have belong to another rescue group (the one I won't be working with any more). I am filing my incorporation papers with the state this week. Then I will start working on my 501(c)3. I have an initial website up, though I need to get a cat graphic to replace the flower graphic. Feel free to have a look, though all my links do not work yet. http://www.rescuties.org I was really talking about how to keep the list for the rescue group positive though. Most other animal lists I am on have a lot of fighting.Thanks!Kelley On 10/2/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kelley,My suggestion would be to open a Petfinder account for a website,they are world renown and it is fairly easy to get a site and it is free.Here is the page that posts their requirements for a website, I'dbe happy to help:http://www.petfinder.com/register/index.html--Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamesehttp://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 Visit my Tigger Tales site! Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail.
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
I think the horrible grief we all have felt fighting for our FeLV babies, and losing many of them, binds us together in ways that the rescue groups may not experience. The grief humbles us and enables us to care gently for one another through identification. You may not be able to reproduce that in a different scenario. On another note, you could require anyone posting on your site to read a rescue bill of rights or the like where you lay out that everyone will be respectful of one another regardless of their beliefs. It might help. :) Wendy --- Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Belinda, I am planning to open an account on Petfinder. Right now all the kitties I have belong to another rescue group (the one I won't be working with any more). I am filing my incorporation papers with the state this week. Then I will start working on my 501(c)3. I have an initial website up, though I need to get a cat graphic to replace the flower graphic. Feel free to have a look, though all my links do not work yet. http://www.rescuties.org I was really talking about how to keep the list for the rescue group positive though. Most other animal lists I am on have a lot of fighting. Thanks! Kelley On 10/2/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley, My suggestion would be to open a Petfinder account for a website, they are world renown and it is fairly easy to get a site and it is free. Here is the page that posts their requirements for a website, I'd be happy to help: http://www.petfinder.com/register/index.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
Hi Kelley, My suggestion would be to open a Petfinder account for a website, they are world renown and it is fairly easy to get a site and it is free. Here is the page that posts their requirements for a website, I'd be happy to help: http://www.petfinder.com/register/index.html -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
Hi Belinda, I am planning to open an account on Petfinder. Right now all the kitties I have belong to another rescue group (the one I won't be working with any more). I am filing my incorporation papers with the state this week. Then I will start working on my 501(c)3. I have an initial website up, though I need to get a cat graphic to replace the flower graphic. Feel free to have a look, though all my links do not work yet. http://www.rescuties.org I was really talking about how to keep the list for the rescue group positive though. Most other animal lists I am on have a lot of fighting. Thanks! Kelley On 10/2/06, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kelley,My suggestion would be to open a Petfinder account for a website,they are world renown and it is fairly easy to get a site and it is free.Here is the page that posts their requirements for a website, I'dbe happy to help:http://www.petfinder.com/register/index.html-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
Good for you my dear! I think part of the reason this list is so darn nice is because we're all drawn here during a time of desperation and because our agendas include nothing more than helping our fur loved ones enjoy quality life. By the time we've made it to this incredibly soft landing place, we've discovered that most people, (some vets included), think that decision is at best imprudent and at worst inhumane. We have experienced the cruelty of well meaning people and just won't tolerate it from each other. Belligerent newcomers are few and far between and never last long here. The loudest and most zealous of rescue people are like most subculture populations: set in their ways and convinced that their way is the best way, usually they feel it's the ONLY way. My mentor in rescue dropped me out of her life cold when she learned that the litter of bottle babies I rescued had felv and I refused to euthanise them upon diagnosis. My mouth still gapes open when I think about the irony of her being disappointed in me! My suggestion to keep things positive among so many opinionated people is to be a strong leader. Let it be known from the onset that although discussion and input is valued, there will be only one person responsible for final decisions in the protocol of how the group is run. Do your best to think through all the different scenarios that come up and state in writing guidelines about how such situations are expected to be dealt with. For instance; "Any tame cats found should be neutered and listed as found before they are put up for adoption". Have each new member sign an agreement that they will abide by the groups standards and guidelines. Have your mission statement include something about keeping the lines of communication open and the imperative that all members conduct themselves with civility and kindness. Resolve yourself to bounce anyone that can't play nice with others. I'm sorry that we live so far apart, I'd be thrilled to find an organization with someone like you at the helm! Nina Kelley Saveika wrote: Hi guys, I am starting my own rescue because I just couldn't take all the arguing and fighting any more. The rescue list is like a war zone compared to this list. By the way, I told them about you all and the fur flew as they told me how irresponsible yall were for mixing or considering mixing FELV+ and -. It made me feel really bad that they would make those judgements without even getting to know yall. Anyway, I want to keep my rescue list (and my rescue) positive without fighting like this. Rescue is enough of a strain without feeling support from your fellow volunteers. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks, -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life! http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese http://astore.amazon.com/austinsiamese-20
Re: OT: Why is this list so nice?
Great start on a website. I second what Nina said, communication lines open but any final decision is yours. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
