Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[gblane]

Thanks a million, folks  - everyone - this has been SO wonderfully 
helpful.  Don't know what I'd do without you.


Gloria

At 07:30 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:

And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which
would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home
thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time..
Tad

Nina wrote:

Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can 
also start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe 
in there. Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and 
out to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I 
don't think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be 
comforted if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[gblane]

Yup - been doing that.  Started some Rescue Remedy too.  Someone 
suggested a little Benadryl the morning of the flight...?


Gloria


At 05:25 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I 
don't think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be 
comforted if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

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Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from 
LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to 
his owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never 
taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use 
the sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be 
Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think 
the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[gblane]

Right, thanks to you all for the mention of the towel.  Hadn't thought of that.

Gloria



At 05:09 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative.  It has been 
my experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves 
makes them stress out even more.  It sounds like this kitty is tame 
and would probably be better off with out the Ace.  Don't forget 
that big towel to wrap her in when you have to remove her from the 
carrier!  Put the harness and short leash on her when you leave the 
house, (don't forget id tags).  You guys will be fine, just keep 
your cool and she will too.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

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Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from 
LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to 
his owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never 
taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use 
the sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be 
Benadryl, along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think 
the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria

RE: sedative before flying (ACE)

[gblane]

Re your last comment, right!  I was thinking I might need the "Ace" 
more than Gizmo...!


Gloria


At 03:38 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:

I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country.  I never gave her
ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a
ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and
on and on.  She slept the whole way.  I had to change planes and opened the
flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of
looked at me like I was insane!

The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the
carrier when you go thru metal detector.  I had put a harness on her before
we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I
wrapped around my arm.  Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by
putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and
she couldn't see all those people looking at her.  Security said something
about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her.  Then I just
put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I
put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together.

I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure
and the ACE are not a good match.  I think that most cats don't like all
those strange people around them and just go off to sleep.  I used a medium
sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat.  At one point, it was
sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the
seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would
like me to put her!  Nobody every bothered me again...

Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's
about normal!

Chris
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Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl,
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[gblane]

Very helpful, thanks - I'd heard that it can make them 
"disassociative" when they're coming out of it - not knowing where 
they are, etc.


Gloria

At 03:26 PM 5/11/2006, you wrote:
Acepromazine for a cat?  This was first choice 
sedative?  WOW!  Tough stuff for kitty IMO, especially since he's 
riding in cabin with you.


We only use this in cats to induce anesthesia sometimes. It dilates 
their pupils a lot and stays in their system for a day or two 
depending on how fast your their metabolism is. We also use it for 
animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay 
still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to 
almost nothing and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. 
Personally, I wouldn't use it, not for a 2 1/2 hour flight.


~ Rachel


Operation Foster Felix
www.operationfosterfelix.org
Sharing Our Hearts, Homes & Litter Boxes

"If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will 
know each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, 
and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
destroys." --Chief Dan George

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Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl,
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[Tad Burnett]

And the short car ride could be to a Kentucky Fried Chicken which
would be placed near the carrier on the way home and shared at home
thus the carrier / car ride become something to look forward to next time..
Tad

Nina wrote:

Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can also 
start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. 
Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[felv]

I would not drug a cat before flying, especially not without a FULL medical 
workup
(including a heart ultrasound). Cats are just as affected by pressure and 
altitude
changes as humans are, and any drug given will have a much stronger effect in 
the
air. This sometimes can lead to medical issues. It's just not worth it, if she 
meows
the whole trip, so what? Cats are allowed, other passengers can't say too much, 
I
wouldn't think. It's only 3 hours max, I think she would be better off 
undrugged.

BTW, ACE is a horse tranquilizer, or at least it's the most commonly use tranq 
in
horses, for those of you who have never heard of it. Has been known in male 
horses to
cause a relaxation of the penis from the sheath, that does not reverse, causing
permanent penile paralysis. Doesn't sound so bad if you're not breeding the 
horse if
you don't know how horse's penis's work, but a horse penis left out of it's 
sheath
quickly dries out, and more or less, dehydrates to the point of turning rancid
(horses usually keep their penis pulled up into a protective sheath, it's 
similar to
a dog, but bigger and looser). The only way to save a horse's life that has had 
this
side effect caused by ACE is to amputate the penis... YES you heard that right, 
this
drug, that the vet gave you for your cat, is known to sometimes cause a horse 
to need
it's penis amputated, or the horse dies.

Not something I would EVER give any of my animals, IMO.

If you choose to sedate the cat at all, I recommend NO more than 1/2 a tablet of
Benadryl, but 1/4 would be even better, as the altitude and pressure will make 
the
drug have a stronger effect than it would on the ground.


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Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[Nina]

Good suggestion Tad!  Depending on how much time you have you can also 
start feeding in the carrier to get her used to feeling safe in there. 
Nina


Tad Burnett wrote:

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out 
to get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[Tad Burnett]

Can you let kitty spend some time in the carrier at home, in and out to 
get used to it...
Then a couple short trips in the car and if she doesn't freak I don't 
think she would

know the difference of going off the ground...
Also if she bonds with you and knows your voice she will be comforted 
if  you are

with her... I don't think you need the sedative in your case...
Tad

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria








 

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[Nina]

I agree with the suggestions to not use any sedative.  It has been my 
experience that the feeling of not being in control of themselves makes 
them stress out even more.  It sounds like this kitty is tame and would 
probably be better off with out the Ace.  Don't forget that big towel to 
wrap her in when you have to remove her from the carrier!  Put the 
harness and short leash on her when you leave the house, (don't forget 
id tags).  You guys will be fine, just keep your cool and she will too.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.


The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.


Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.


Thanks much!

Gloria







 

RE: sedative before flying (ACE)

[Chris]

I've taken Tucson a couple of times across the country.  I never gave her
ACE---I was prepared for all possibilities---had a backpack that weighed a
ton with food, water, wipes, leash, collars, health cert, toys, towels, and
on and on.  She slept the whole way.  I had to change planes and opened the
flaps on the carrier (Sherpa softsided) so she could see out--she sort of
looked at me like I was insane!  

The only problem I had was that they make you take the cat out of the
carrier when you go thru metal detector.  I had put a harness on her before
we left home and when I had to take her out, I clipped the leash which I
wrapped around my arm.  Then I picked her out of the top of the carrier by
putting a big towel around her and lifting her so tthat it covered her and
she couldn't see all those people looking at her.  Security said something
about having to see the cat so I let them peek as I held her.  Then I just
put her back in the carrier at the end of the xray machine thing-before I
put on my shoes, grabbed my backpack and just got myself together.

I wouldn't use ACE for a flight--they say that the change in cabin pressure
and the ACE are not a good match.  I think that most cats don't like all
those strange people around them and just go off to sleep.  I used a medium
sized soft-sided carrier--fits better under the seat.  At one point, it was
sticking out a bit because airlines had put something or other under the
seat in front of me--steward pointed that out and I asked where they would
like me to put her!  Nobody every bothered me again...

Tucson did a whole lot better on the flight than I did--I suspect that's
about normal!

Chris
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Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria

RE: sedative before flying (ACE)

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

I personally recommend that you do not give any sedatives --- depending
on a kitty, it will give a very weird reaction -almost they try so hard
to go against what the drug is trying to do and act very disturbed.

I traveled with Ayumi (she was very feral at that time)from Japan to
seoul, Seoul to LA, and LA to vegas and Vegas to Albuquerque - it was a
loong flight ... and she was nervous but she did okay
without any drug.. I heard that when a kitty is active and energetic,
usually the reaction is greater to the drug..

-Original Message-
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: sedative before flying (ACE)

Hey folks,

I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour flight from LIttle 
Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty to his 
owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've never taken a 
kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.

The vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the 
sedative or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, 
along with Rescue Remedy.

Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With ACE?  Think the 
dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if needed.

Thanks much!

Gloria

Re: sedative before flying (ACE)

[clawsnpaws]

Acepromazine for a cat?  This was 
first choice sedative?  WOW!  Tough stuff for kitty 
IMO, especially since he's riding in cabin with you.
 
We only use this in cats to induce 
anesthesia sometimes. It dilates their pupils a lot and stays in their system 
for a day or two depending on how fast your their metabolism is. We also 
use it for animals that go home after exstensive surgery and they need to stay 
still (like bone breaks, etc...). Their appetite will decrease to almost nothing 
and sometimes they won't want to eat at all. Personally, I wouldn't use it, not 
for a 2 1/2 hour flight.
 
~ Rachel

 
Operation Foster 
Felixwww.operationfosterfelix.orgSharing Our Hearts, Homes & Litter Boxes  

 
"If you talk to the animals they will talk 
with you and you will know each other.  If you do not talk to them you will 
not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one 
destroys." --Chief Dan George
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:20 PM
Subject: OT: sedative before flying 
(ACE)
Hey folks,I'm flying to Minneapolis on Saturday, a 2.5 hour 
flight from LIttle Rock, and taking a sweet, energetic young Siamese kitty 
to his owner.  Kitty will ride in the cabin with me.   I've 
never taken a kitty on board with me before, so a new experience.The 
vet gave me a sedative, ACE., and am pondering whether to use the sedative 
or not.  Someone said that another option would be Benadryl, along with 
Rescue Remedy.Any experiences with taking kitties on flights?  With 
ACE?  Think the dosage was 1/2 tablet followed by 1/4 if 
needed.Thanks much!Gloria