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According to the investigator for the Humand Society here in eastrn Missouri, when he is called to investigate a charge of animal abuse, he ends up reporting the people on child abuse. The 2 seems to go hand in hand. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, definitely some people should have been spayed/neutered! The least requirement would be some kind of a course on child-rearing and responsible parenting. I wouldn’t adopt to just anyone – therefore, why should morons have babies and abuse or ignore them? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting That is horrible, those poor children. Thank God for their Grandparents, it's too bad however, that Grandma and Grandpa can't enjoy them like they are supposed too... WTH is up with people? From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the intelligent human population. They also treat their children the same way. i know of one who feeds her children cereal because they can get that by themselves. She would prefer to do her heroin instead of cooking. She is now in prison and her children stay with grandparents or roam the streets. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2
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During the years of concentration camps, very few babies were born to the women who were being tortured there, even though rape was rampant. It wasn't that they turned off their reproductive system because it was a legitimate rape but because below a certain nutritional level, the body of a woman can't sustain a pregnancy and miscarries. Deer and other wild animal populations regulate themselves during times when food is scarce and then grow during times when food is readily available. Feeding corn to deer in the winter assures all these darling sport hunters of a good stock of victims for their sport when deer season arrives again. If hunting and eating the victim is a good means of population control, maybe we should reconsider cannibalism. Humans are soon going to outgrow themselves. There are 8 billion of us infecting the planet at this time and if even half of those breed, we will have another 4 billion within a year or two.. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 8:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the
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Natalie, The pounds/shelters have a higher profile than do rescuers. If they sincerely implement the No Kill Equation, they can save over 90% of their intake, including those animals brought in or dumped by the minority of the public that is irresponsible. Until they do so, however, they are not a resource for rescuers, but rather yet another burden on them (as they rely too heavily on rescuers to bail the animals, rather than marketing them themselves). There are still small wild cats in Africa. I wonder how often they go into heat. On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: *Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. * *It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care.* ** ** *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves *Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting ** ** Does this happen with all species? ** ** I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. ** ** On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: *It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition.** *** *The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY.* *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.orgfelvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathryn Hargreaves *Sent:* Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: *No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals.* *No, I do not eat any meat.* ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you
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I really like what our town has, they have a spay and neuter clinic express, services include: Pain Control injection $10.00 Microchip $20.00 General Dewormer $5.00 Rabies Vaccination $10.00 Distemper combo Vaccination $10.00 Fecal Parasite Test $15.00 Frontline application $15.00 Heartworm Test $15.00 Spays are under $45 for fm cats and $30 for males the only down fall is that they are not in one specific area for very long so you have to almost get an appointment months in advance which sometimes is not convenient, I wish they had more of these that were stationed. Perhaps more people would get their animals fixed. I know a friend of mine that lived in Adrian MI, he used a friends addess and took his kitties into Ohio where they were fixed for free do to income. It is too bad to see all those kittens that get dropped of at animal control. We recently lost our FeLV cat on September 25th. he was having reoccuring bladder infections and peeing blood, after countless trips, and watching him howel and cry up and down the stairs, no longer able to jump on furniture, we made the hardest decision for our fur baby. he was 5 dx for 4 yrs of his life. However, we did adpot a kitten from our local shelter, looking into all those scared and innocent eyes, we might be, when we get caught up, adpot another. Kudos to you Natialie, that is amazing that you can offer shelter to cats/kittens in need. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, they
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Do the vets volunteer their services? Who covers the costs of the meds, etc. We have a no kill shelter in our area, but they are having financial problems like everyone else and they have to chrge $150.00 for each adoption to cover their expenses. Do vaccine companies ever donate to shelters? I know pet food companies do. Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: I really like what our town has, they have a spay and neuter clinic express, services include: Pain Control injection $10.00 Microchip $20.00 General Dewormer $5.00 Rabies Vaccination $10.00 Distemper combo Vaccination $10.00 Fecal Parasite Test $15.00 Frontline application $15.00 Heartworm Test $15.00 Spays are under $45 for fm cats and $30 for males the only down fall is that they are not in one specific area for very long so you have to almost get an appointment months in advance which sometimes is not convenient, I wish they had more of these that were stationed. Perhaps more people would get their animals fixed. I know a friend of mine that lived in Adrian MI, he used a friends addess and took his kitties into Ohio where they were fixed for free do to income. It is too bad to see all those kittens that get dropped of at animal control. We recently lost our FeLV cat on September 25th. he was having reoccuring bladder infections and peeing blood, after countless trips, and watching him howel and cry up and down the stairs, no longer able to jump on furniture, we made the hardest decision for our fur baby. he was 5 dx for 4 yrs of his life. However, we did adpot a kitten from our local shelter, looking into all those scared and innocent eyes, we might be, when we get caught up, adpot another. Kudos to you Natialie, that is amazing that you can offer shelter to cats/kittens in need. From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:14 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From:Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from
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That is horrible, those poor children. Thank God for their Grandparents, it's too bad however, that Grandma and Grandpa can't enjoy them like they are supposed too... WTH is up with people? From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the intelligent human population. They also treat their children the same way. i know of one who feeds her children cereal because they can get that by themselves. She would prefer to do her heroin instead of cooking. She is now in prison and her children stay with grandparents or roam the streets. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer farms by mating the best with the best specimen, producing fantastic trophy animals. No, I do not eat any meat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
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WHEN YOU FIND OUT LET ME KNOW. IF I HAD MY WAY, MOM WOULD HAVE BEEN SPAYED BEFORE SHE HAD 4 ILLIGETIMATE CHILDREN . IF SHE ENJOYS GETTING PREGNANT SO MUCH, TAKE A PILL OR SOMETHING. DON'T HAVE CHILDREN WHO WILL HAVE TO SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES OF HER ACTIONS. Joslin Potter joslinir...@yahoo.com wrote: That is horrible, those poor children. Thank God for their Grandparents, it's too bad however, that Grandma and Grandpa can't enjoy them like they are supposed too... WTH is up with people? From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the intelligent human population. They also treat their children the same way. i know of one who feeds her children cereal because they can get that by themselves. She would prefer to do her heroin instead of cooking. She is now in prison and her children stay with grandparents or roam the streets. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid them, thereby actually degrading the gene pool – healthier animals are not the result of hunting – that’s done at deer
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Yes, definitely some people should have been spayed/neutered! The least requirement would be some kind of a course on child-rearing and responsible parenting. I wouldn’t adopt to just anyone – therefore, why should morons have babies and abuse or ignore them? From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting That is horrible, those poor children. Thank God for their Grandparents, it's too bad however, that Grandma and Grandpa can't enjoy them like they are supposed too... WTH is up with people? From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 3, 2012 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Bow hunting I would like to spay/neuter a lot of the intelligent human population. They also treat their children the same way. i know of one who feeds her children cereal because they can get that by themselves. She would prefer to do her heroin instead of cooking. She is now in prison and her children stay with grandparents or roam the streets. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Yes, it would make sense – if cats had not been domesticated so long ago, they would still be part of the natural ecosystem, be considered wildlife and probably still reproduce only once, instead of numerous times throughout the year, as they do now. It does happen to most wildlife, but obviously very differently, depending on the species. It’s too bad that this doesn’t apply to domesticated animals anymore. I doubt that companion animals will ever become extinct. My hope would be that every time someone wanted a cat or a dog, they would have to be on a waiting list – what’s happening right now, is obscene – the number of healthy, beautiful animals that are killed routinely in shelters and pounds is unbearable. I started the cat rescue 20 years ago, and I don’t think much has changed, other than other small groups in the area doing the same thing. People are still not spaying/neutering, still abandoning their pets, and many are still total jerks! Those of us who do rescue, are paying emotional, physically, and financially for others’ irresponsible behavior, because we care. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 3:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Bow hunting Does this happen with all species? I think the best thing to do is leave animals alone, too, but when feral cats bother people to the point where they are going to kill them, it's probably better to try to get numbers down. I prefer the methods some used with wolves, doing tubal ligations/vasectomies instead of messing with their hormones by taking out the sex organs. That said, we're real good at exterminating species, so I hope that doesn't happen with companion animals. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:09 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: It’s really interesting because when, and that’s rarely, that they reach a biological carrying capacity (or in a severe winter and no food), sperm counts go down and females, in real dire situations, will actually absorb their fetuses. Also, people mistake deer as starving in the winter because they may seem thin, ribs showing, it’s only that thyroxin (a calcium-rich hormone) regulates their metabolisms in cold weather….even iof a lot of food were available, they might not be able to absorb all the nutrition. The best thing is to leave them alone – thousands of years, and they have been able to regulate themselves until commercial hunting almost wiped them out at the end of the last century, and states had to start managing them to bring back the herds – then they found out what a big business it can be (hunting licenses, P-R Act, etc)- now they manage for MSY. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bow hunting Yes, I've heard from wildlife experts that the population of all species will level off at the carrying capacity (food, shelter) of the habitat, despite predation (of any sort). This is why if you want to reduce a species' population, you have to sterilize and return, so the sterilized ones take up some of that capacity. On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: No, they wouldn’t reproduce the same way, that’s the whole point! According to research on reproduction, hunted herds twin only 14%, while hunted herds twin or even triple at 38%. It’s just nature’s way! In fact, predators are better hunters because they go for the sick and old animals, while hunters avoid
