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This is all so confusing. I know that at Animal Trustees of Austin (city-subsidized vaccination place - I get my combo tests there because at $16 they are the cheapest, but I get my vaccinations from my vet because he charges me the same they do) they told me that the one year had fewer additives and the 3 year actually carried more risk of injection site sarcinoma because it had more additives in it to make it effective for 3 years. Therefore they do not give the 3 year there. I have to have mine vaccinated for rabies yearly because I have so many. We do not have a legal limit here but city law is that they must be vaccinated against rabies and licensed with the city, so if anyone ever complains I need to have my ducks in a row, because they will check and make sure each cat over 4 months is both vaccinated and registered. - Original Message - From: Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 10, 2006 4:26 pm Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi Roxane, One of the clinics here in NJ is also going to a one year rabies vaccine - I asked them in particular why, and they said it's a slightly differentvaccine, one that uses a different adjuvant (delivery liquid), and that it has a shorter immunity duration. Since they are not my primary vet (only my emergency clinic) I did not push it, but if you want I can find out more about it. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Roxane Baldwin wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Dodds is trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to the dangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if this annual vaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorry this is OT but with a canine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need to vaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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... they told me that the one year had fewer additives and the 3 year actually carried more risk of injection site sarcoma because it had more additives in it to make it effective for 3 years. Therefore they do not give the 3 year there. Vaccines, including Rabies, vary in ingredients by manufacturer, product, and even batch. It could be that this vet uses ONE brand for their 1 year rabies, and a DIFFERENT BRAND for their 3 year rabies. This could easily explain the differences. Always look for NON-Adjuvanted vaccines, that's the key. The adjuvants in most vaccines are the ingredients thought to most often cause reactions and sarcomas. I have quite a bit of info on the vaccine issue on my webpage http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html (it's near the bottom of the page) Personally, I don't vaccinate at all any more. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006
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Personally, I don't vaccinate at all any more. Phaewryn It is against the law to adopt out cats here without vaccinating them for rabies, so I want to use the least harmful method. Thanks for the link!
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Rabies vaccination is a state law driven than anything else ---I live in NM, either annual or every 3 years (they use a different vaccine type).. but my vet recommend does not require 3 year vaccine for cats (too strong for a small body). Regardless I hope that you do not vaccine your felk kitties I get a waiver letter from my vet for all my felk and fiv kitties so that they wont need to get vaccinations. I know of very scary stories from reaction of vaccinations.. so I dont get rabies on any of my cats whenever possible. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxane Baldwin Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:18 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on before On 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
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Unless it changed (last checked was 2005), the state of Iowa doesn't have a law dealing with feline vaccines, canine yes(rabies only). My FIV Felv will not have another vaccine ever. I'm just so upset because this vets office and others make it sound like it is the law to have every vaccine out there and that is so not true. I've been trying to find some set standard but your right, with all the different state laws, you cannot find any information on standards. I just have my blood boiling. Thanks for your reply : )RoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on beforeOn 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating.Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet?I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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I hate to tell you this, but its true,, vaccines are easy on going money making tools for most of vets.. so whenever they can they will make it sound like its mandatory and most of people will comply it (this comment came from a vet that I know..).. also most of vets office has a commission that each veterinarian has to make every month. so.. thats one way to increase their income (this also came from another vet that I know..) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxane Baldwin Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine Unless it changed (last checked was 2005), the state of Iowa doesn't have a law dealing with feline vaccines, canine yes(rabies only). My FIV Felv will not have another vaccine ever. I'm just so upset because this vets office and others make it sound like it is the law to have every vaccine out there and that is so not true. I've been trying to find some set standard but your right, with all the different state laws, you cannot find any information on standards. I just have my blood boiling. Thanks for your reply : ) Roxane Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on before On 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892 Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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Hi Roxane, One of the clinics here in NJ is also going to a one year rabies vaccine - I asked them in particular why, and they said it's a slightly different vaccine, one that uses a different adjuvant (delivery liquid), and that it has a shorter immunity duration. Since they are not my primary vet (only my emergency clinic) I did not push it, but if you want I can find out more about it. Kat (Mew Jersey) On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Roxane Baldwin wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Dodds is trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to the dangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if this annual vaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorry this is OT but with a canine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need to vaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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Isn't that just sad they let greed interfere with our pets health. RoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I hate to tell you this, but its true,, vaccines are easy on going money making tools for most of vets.. so whenever they can they will make it sound like its mandatory and most of people will comply it (this comment came from a vet that I know..).. also most of vets office has a commission that each veterinarian has to make every month. so.. thats one way to increase their income (this also came from another vet that I know..)From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roxane BaldwinSent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:36 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: OT-Rabies Vaccine Unless it changed (last checked was 2005), the state of Iowa doesn't have a law dealing with feline vaccines, canine yes(rabies only).My FIV Felv will not have another vaccine ever. I'm just so upset because this vets office and others make it sound like it is the law to have every vaccine out there and that is so not true. I've been trying to find some set standard but your right, with all the different state laws, you cannot find any information on standards.I just have my blood boiling.Thanks for your reply : )RoxaneHideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3 year and 1 year are very similar in their dosage according to my vet.. but 3 year has a bit more--- so she did not mind using it for dogs and was still not comfortable for using cats .. if you think about it.. a 70 lb dog gets the same dosage of rabies vaccine as a 6 lb of cats which is very scary..From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCatsSent: Monday, July 10, 2006 2:24 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine every state's regs are different--but many DO require an annual shot; around here (mid-Michigan), they're only giving the one-year shot (i don't have the citation, but i've heard that, in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) my vets never used to check whether my cats were vaccinated for rabies, but now they are requiring proof if i bring in one they haven't seen the paperwork on before On 7/10/06, Roxane Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. -- MaryChristineAIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCatsMSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ICQ: 289856892 Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Roxane,Horton, Iowa How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messengers low PC-to-Phone call rates.
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in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) I've also heard that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thank you Kat,You don't have to do that, I'm going to the office tonight, our oldest girl (Felv neg)had a small mass removed today, so I will give them the 21 questions. I found this website: http://critteradvocacy.org/Feline%20Recommendations.htmRoxane : ) PS, the mass looks ok but we will wait for the test to come back.Kat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Roxane,One of the clinics here in NJ is also going to a one year rabies vaccine -I asked them in particular why, and they said it's a slightly differentvaccine, one that uses a different adjuvant (delivery liquid), and that ithas a shorter immunity duration. Since they are not my primary vet (onlymy emergency clinic) I did not push it, but if you want I can find outmore about it.Kat (Mew Jersey)On Mon, 10 Jul 2006, Roxane Baldwin wrote: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Roxane Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: OT-Rabies Vaccine I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Dodds is trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to the dangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if this annual vaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorry this is OT but with a canine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need to vaccinate more. Roxane, Horton, Iowa - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.
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I've had vets tell me they are the same.Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in reality, the 3-year and the 1-year are actually the same dosage--anyone know anything about that?) I've also heard that.-- Belindahappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kittieshttp://bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candlelight Servicehttp://bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design]http://HostDesign4U.comBMK Designs [non-profit animals websites]http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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There is a rabies vaccine (can't remember the name off the top of my head-- the company is something like Mirasol) that goes into the skin without a needle. My vet carries it (it is actually how I chose my current vet). It is a yearly shot, but it supposedly has no risk of associated sarcomas. Michelle
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My vet told me that the 1 year and the 3 years vaccines are different from each other in the way they are formulated. He said that in the areas where the 3 year vaccine has been in use, the rabies vector is higher. One way to get around the annual vaccine is to do titers - to actually test the blood to see if they need a new vaccine.If they don't need it - you're fine. Otherwise, you have to pay for the titers and the vaccine but at least you know you aren't over-vaccinating. In a message dated 7/10/2006 1:18:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just had an upsetting phone call with my vets office. They are going from a 2 years rabies vaccine to a annual rabies vaccine for cats, it is now 3 years for dogs. I thought that there was only one type of rabies vaccine and it was a 3 year shot. With the study that Jean Doddsis trying to put together, I would think that vet offices would wake-up to thedangers of over vaccinating. Does anyone know if thisannualvaccination is a new standard for felines or is this just my vet? I'm sorrythis isOT butwith acanine with an auto-immune disorder because a vet over vaccinated her, I get very upset when they tell me I need tovaccinate more.Roxane,Horton, Iowa Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.
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The "one year" rabies vaccines have been shown to be effective for 3 years in many cases. The trouble is getting the studies done to prove it, and getting manufacturer's to relabel their products. The "2 year" and "3 year" vaccines have been the ones that they have completed the studies on so far, and that the manufacturer's have chosen to relabel. It's not something that will happen very quickly, as the drug companies make MORE MONEY the more often you shoot their product into your pet, thus, the industry resistance to relabel and study duration periods of the vaccines they already produce. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!!http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006
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Thats very true.. actually I read some research in the past that they can be as effective as 5 years (one year vaccine).. again, its just easier to make money at the expense of our pets health if they make it annually.. again.. its driven by state regulation. again, they dont do this to protect our animals so much but to protect human (unnecessarily) from rabies.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 6:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT-Rabies Vaccine The one year rabies vaccines have been shown to be effective for 3 years in many cases. The trouble is getting the studies done to prove it, and getting manufacturer's to relabel their products. The 2 year and 3 year vaccines have been the ones that they have completed the studies on so far, and that the manufacturer's have chosen to relabel. It's not something that will happen very quickly, as the drug companies make MORE MONEY the more often you shoot their product into your pet, thus, the industry resistance to relabel and study duration periods of the vaccines they already produce. Phaewryn PLEASE Adopt a cat from Little Cheetah Cat Rescue!!! http://ucat.us/adopt.html DONATE: We could really use a power saw (for construction), a digital camera (for pictures) and HOMES for CATS!
