Re: What to do next for Ewok
I absolutely think it is safe to give him the combo shot. The depo will not actually kick in for a couple of days, and I know from experience with Simon that you can give a dex shot two days in a row (I think I gave it to him three days in a row when I thought he was dying the first time). Cypro can make them restless. How much did you give him? You can try giving half the dose. The good thing about giving a lot of steroids, though, is that it stimulates appetite even better than cypro, usually, so you may not need to give that at all if you give him the combo shot. If the vet will not give him depo, I would seriously suggest upping his pred dosage. I know you can give 20 mg/day to a cat with cancer, and someone posted last night that her cat was on 40 mg/day. Sorry you are going through this, Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2006 9:45:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we had a few good hours last night just after he came home fromthe vet's (that's when I took that picture of him). The vet had givenhim cypro and I believe this may have affected him negatively as hebecame restless as the evening went on. This morning he is up andabout, but his walk is stiff and he still seems to be a little restless,though not as much as last night. There was a glimmer of hope when hewent to the dry food dish and bent over to try to eat (he hasn't eatendry food in some time)...but he just couldn't bring himself to actuallyeat (he tried a couple of times). I'm going to syringe a little foodinto him and see how he tolerates that, would it be safe to give him thecombo shot, Michelle? I guess it's just touch-and-go, right now...I'mlooking for signs from him as to what he wants to do...Jen
Re: What to do next for Ewok
Thanks, Michelle...I had the same reservations about the cypro as I haven't had much luck with it in the past...I, too, thought that steroids would be enough to stimulate his appetite (and they did, he ate well before the cypro kicked in)! Okay...I'll give my vet a call and ask for the combo shot and see where that takes us! It's 1/2 cc of each, right? Thanks, again... Jen But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de Saint-Exupéry If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know each other. If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan George - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:50 am Subject: Re: What to do next for Ewok I absolutely think it is safe to give him the combo shot. The depo will not actually kick in for a couple of days, and I know from experience with Simon that you can give a dex shot two days in a row (I think I gave it to him three days in a row when I thought he was dying the first time). Cypro can make them restless. How much did you give him? You can try giving half the dose. The good thing about giving a lot of steroids, though, is that it stimulates appetite even better than cypro, usually, so you may not need to give that at all if you give him the combo shot. If the vet will not give him depo, I would seriously suggest upping his pred dosage. I know you can give 20 mg/day to a cat with cancer, and someone posted last night that her cat was on 40 mg/day. Sorry you are going through this, Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2006 9:45:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, we had a few good hours last night just after he came home from the vet's (that's when I took that picture of him). The vet had givenhim cypro and I believe this may have affected him negatively as he became restless as the evening went on. This morning he is up and about, but his walk is stiff and he still seems to be a little restless,though not as much as last night. There was a glimmer of hope when he went to the dry food dish and bent over to try to eat (he hasn't eatendry food in some time)...but he just couldn't bring himself to actually eat (he tried a couple of times). I'm going to syringe a little food into him and see how he tolerates that, would it be safe to give him the combo shot, Michelle? I guess it's just touch-and-go, right now...I'mlooking for signs from him as to what he wants to do... Jen
Re: What to do next for Ewok
Yes, 1/2 cc of each. That is what the vet who taught me about it does. But I think the oncologist gave Simon 1 cc of each, since 1 cc is the normal dose for giving each individually, and it certainly did not hurt him. But I think I would try 1/2 cc of each first, especially since he just got dex yesterday. You can always do another shot of 1/2 cc each later if he needs more. It seems like you have a good relationship with your vet. I would talk to her about this being hospice care at this point, that others have had success with giving a lot of steroids near the end, and ask her if, when he needs another, she will give it to you to give him sub-q at home rather than having to keep bringing him in, in order to keep him as happy and stress-free as possible. Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:01:54 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks, Michelle...I had the same reservations about the cypro as Ihaven't had much luck with it in the past...I, too, thought thatsteroids would be enough to stimulate his appetite (and they did, he atewell before the cypro kicked in)! Okay...I'll give my vet a call andask for the combo shot and see where that takes us! It's 1/2 cc ofeach, right? Thanks, again...Jen
Re: What to do next for Ewok--steriod combo
Jen, I did not even know it came in two strengths, so I have no idea. I'm sorry. Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:08:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle--I forgot to ask you about this last time...but when my vetfirst gave him the combo shot, she asked what strength the depo was whenyou administered it (I guess depo comes in two strenghs and our vet usesthe stronger of the two so she can use less...I guess it stings abit!)...so Ewok got 1/2 mL of dex and 1/4 mL of 40mg/mL depo (I'mguessing that this concentration of depo is twice as strong as theweaker concentration...hence, only the 1/4 mL)...any thoughts?Thanks!
Re: What to do next for Ewok
As close together as they are needed. Towards the end it will be every few days. But he might not need them that close together yet, or he may need the combo shot now and a dex booster in a few days and not need depo for a week. It kind of just depends on how he is doing. Basically, I would give it to him as far apart as you can with him still eating. When he stops eating, I would give him more, either a dex shot if that helps on its own or, if it's been a few days and he seems really bad, I might try another combo shot. Michelle In a message dated 1/10/2006 10:12:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed...we actually just talked about this being a "hospice situation"yesterday! I'm hoping that she will just do up the shot for me and letme go pick it up and I'll do it myself (I imagine she will). How farapart can the combo shots be given, again?
