THANKS:Re: filmscanners: Best Buy for $500 or so

2001-04-28 Thread DeVries

Thanks, Art. The Minolta and a refurb Nikon LS-30 were
the ones that most jumped out at me. 
Dave

At 05:05 PM 4/27/01 -0700, you wrote:
If that's $500 US, I suggest you
consider the Canon FS-2710 or Minolta Dimage Dual II, both under $500
new.

Used or refurb, you might find a Nikon LS-30, which has only one
advantage I can think of, which is digital ICE, a method for suppressing
dirt and scratches on the surface of color or chromographic (color film
based) BW films (doesn't work on regular BW negs or very well
on Kodachrome.)

The Canon and Nikon use a SCSI interface, the Minolta a USB.

Image quality is quite similar overall. The Canon and Nikon use a
2700 dpi CDC, the Minolta 2820 dpi.

Art

DeVries wrote:

Sorry if this is a often asked
question, but what 35mm film scanner does the list recommend for $500 or
so? Refurbished units don't scare me if they have a warranty.
Dave



Re: filmscanners: Microtek 1850S drivers

2001-04-28 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 4/27/2001 5:32:29 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Does Vuescan support the 1850S?

It's possible that it will work with VueScan. It's an old 1800 dpi
film scanner, and it may work with the standard Microtek scsi
command set.  One thing to try is:

1) Delete vuescan.ini
2) Run VueScan
3) Turn on Files|Output log file
4) Exit VueScan
5) Run VueScan
6) Press the Preview button
7) Exit VueScan
8) E-mail vuescan.log to me

Thanks,
Ed Hamrick



Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 4/28/2001 6:39:14 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 This raises an interesting question.  Is there any way to set the focus
  location in vuescan?

It focuses in the center of the scan region.  I'll look into this some more
when I get a loaner LS-4000 from Nikon, hopefully in the next week or so.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a message dated 4/27/2001 7:43:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I found by accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700
ppi scans on
   my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and 64-bit,
2700
   ppi settings.

As in 64bit is far better?

 I looked at the code, and I think I can see the problem.  I've added
 this to my list of things to fix.  Thanks for finding this.

Cool!

BTW I think I'll have to go back to Adobe RGB from ColormatchRGB in Vuescan.
The cherry red colours and oversaturated reds are too hard to correct.  On
my LS30 and screen, ColormatchRGB just doesn't work with red.  And the reds
don't look right on the monitor at work either.

Rob





Re: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

JF Mahony wrote:
 i am very interested in negatives vs slides in contrasty situations. i
shoot
 a lot of tennis in the middle of the day with provia 100, E200 or fugi
multy
 speed. i have an LS-1000 and do have trouble losing  the extreme
highlights.
 i like the color of slide film better than print. i entend to try print
but
 what kind.

If you want to freeze action, try Kodak Supra 400 which is supposed to be
optimised for scanning.

Rob
(I haven't had the chance to try it yet myself)




Re: filmscanners: Cleaning slides

2001-04-28 Thread Lynn Allen

Art wrote:

 In fact out steadfast
Kodachrome, which has very good dark keeping properties, fades quite
rapidly in bright light-- I'm speaking of losses of dye density within
minutes under a projector bulb illumination.
 Ektachromes, on the other hand fare better under bright lighting, but have
poorer dark keeping properties.

Having done quite a few Kodachromes that were over 50 years old, I can
testify to Art's assessment. Have found no serious problems with 30-year-old
Ektachrome (other than its inherent contrastiness, which sometimes
challenges the DR of my scanner), but the colors *don't* seem to be as
bright as I remember.

I've also found that some dust on very old slides seems particularly
resistant to removal, as if it were fused to the slide. Frankly, as long as
I have a competent spot-retouching program I'm reluctant to clean old slides
with *anything* but a soft brush and air. But the occasional
thumbprint--more likely to be on negs than mounted slides--is enough to send
me running for help. :-)

Best regards--LRA


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Re: filmscanners: Cleaning slides

2001-04-28 Thread Lynn Allen

Art wrote:

 These same companies that immediately offer free
repairs or replacement when a product doesn't meet functionality after
minimal usage?

To their everlasting credit, Acer *does* in fact replace, rather than
repair, defective Scanwits with new ones. At least in the US, as I know
firsthand.

Given the 6-8 week turnaround of repairs, and the too-many-to-count horror
stories of returning the same defective scanner, I'm surprised more
manufacturers don't do the same thing. Seems to me that Satisfied Customers
are the best advertising a manufacturer can have. Especially with Lists like
this one in existence! :-)

Best regards--LRA


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Re: filmscanners: Best Buy for $500 or so

2001-04-28 Thread Lynn Allen

At the risk of being self-contradictory, I'd suggest you toss Acer Scanwit
(2720S and 2740) into the mix for comparisons. It's a bit quirkey and can
occasionally drive you up the wall and across the ceiling, but it also does
an very good job on well-exposed film, particularly slides, and is fairly
easy to use.

The 2740 also has IR, which has gotten mixed reviews but has been spoken
highly of by at least one user on this list (I've used the 2720S for about a
year). Prices are about $400US for the 2700S and $500US for the 2740.

Best regards, and good luck--LRA


--Original Message--
From: Arthur Entlich [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If that's $500 US, I suggest you consider the Canon FS-2710 or Minolta
Dimage Dual II, both under $500 new.

Used or refurb, you might find a Nikon LS-30, which has only one
advantage I can think of, which is digital ICE, a method for suppressing
dirt and scratches on the surface of color or chromographic (color film
based) BW films (doesn't work on regular BW negs or very well on
Kodachrome.)

The Canon and Nikon use a SCSI interface, the Minolta a USB.

Image quality is quite similar overall.  The Canon and Nikon use a 2700
dpi CDC, the Minolta 2820 dpi.

Art

DeVries wrote:

 Sorry if this is a often asked question, but what 35mm film scanner does
 the list recommend for $500 or so?  Refurbished units don't scare me if
 they have a warranty.
 Dave


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filmscanners: OT: Mfgr's Support (was:Microtek 1850S drivers

2001-04-28 Thread Lynn Allen

Hersch wrote:

 I told a power tool company to stop sending me their catalog
after they discontinued selling the proprietary batteries for a drill
immediately after they stopped selling that model. A lot of letters of that
type might help (Of course one lonely one won't do it).

I've written my share of letters (could anyone doubt it?), and wish you'd
shared the name of that power tool. It could save me the trouble of writing
another letter--after all, I didn't find this work-station under a cabage
leaf! ;-)

The manufacturers that have supported their products for 50 years and more
are getting fewer (Rolls-Royce is one of them; Sears *used* to be), as
mergers and/or younger managers and bean-counters take over Operations. If
they're not responsive--and too many of them aren't--the best way to change
their world-view is to avoid their products. And naming names is one way
to accomplish that, IMHO. :-)

Another 2-cents worth--LRA


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Re: filmscanners: OT: Mfgr's Support (was:Microtek 1850S drivers

2001-04-28 Thread Edwin Eleazer


 Hersch wrote:

  I told a power tool company to stop sending me their catalog
 after they discontinued selling the proprietary batteries for a drill
 immediately after they stopped selling that model. A lot of letters of
that
 type might help (Of course one lonely one won't do it).


Would that be B  D? They still do make the 8.4 volt battery, but you have
to order it from the factory and by the time it gets here, you're likely to
have forgot where the dang drill is!
Edwin




filmscanners: Nikonscan 3.0 and Win98 not SE and LS2000

2001-04-28 Thread Julian Robinson

I am using Nikonscan 3.0 with my LS2000.  I was doubtful as to whether it 
would work with Win98 not SE, but it does, apparently flawlessly touch wood 
(apart from same bugs/problems others have noted).

So it seems the only reason Nikon require Win98SE is for the firewire 
connection.

Ver 3.0 is a great improvement in many ways on 2.5.1, once you get used to 
the initially annoying tool palette.  As someone else noted, no more blown 
highlights, and the histogram is much more accurate at the low end - where 
I had constant problems with 2.5.1.

One interesting point - on mine at least the ver 3 ICE produces much more 
softening than the ver 2 ICE did.  I don't know why this would be 
so.  Using sharpen helps significantly.  I haven't seen jaggies yet, but I 
haven't looked hard yet either.

If I activate curves the whole thing slows down greatly, which it did not 
do under the old version.  Another small mystery.

Julian

Julian Robinson
in usually sunny, smog free Canberra, Australia




Re: filmscanners: LS4000, LS2000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Julian Robinson

This is exactly what I have discovered I need to do with my LS2000 - set 
the focus point closer to the edge of the film.  The small depth of field 
on the LS2000 is the greatest problem I have found with this scanner, and 
the main reason I will be nervous of the LS4000.

Julian

At 22:43 27/04/01, Mikael wrote:
Ed
Thanks to you and a scratched film I have discovered how to have the best 
resolution from the LS4000 scanner and curved film problem.
The imported thing is to put the focus area right in the picture area.
After some experiment with the scratched film I found out that the best 
way to have optimal resolution from the scanner are to move the focus area 
half way out from the middle of the picture to the side.
This means that the depth of field  now cover   the middle and corner 
better and the picture now looks  equal sharp overall.
If I put the focus area in the middle ( standard mode) the sides and 
corner are not so sharp as at the middle of the picture.


Julian Robinson
in usually sunny, smog free Canberra, Australia




filmscanners: Noise correction algorithms

2001-04-28 Thread Lynn Allen

This question is for Ed, and any other program-savy people who want to
answer.

Since dust is always white on negs and always black on slides, while
noise is usually lighter and grain is usually darker than the
surrounding field of pixels, is this or can it be considered in the cleaning
algorithms?

This suddenly seems so obvious as I experience the problems more, and I
wonder what I'm missing that it isn't more easy to deal with. (?) Example:
red pixels in sky colors, when it isn't sunset, green pixels in skin-tones
and shadow tones at mid-day. It's very perplexing, because I'm pretty sure
my scanner or its software is actually seeing or at least interpreting
those pixels. I could, of course, be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

Best regards--LRA


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Re: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners

2001-04-28 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

I have now tried Kodak Supra 400 and, on the LS-30 at 2700spi it scans
better than average but I would not consider it exceptional.  I still have
grain in blue skies and, I think, in the black skies in night shots (but
viewable only if I lighten the sky to lighter than pitch black).  I've had
to set Vuescan on Clean-heavy to prevent it.

Other than that, in color and exposure it has worked well.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 6:57 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners


| JF Mahony wrote:
|  i am very interested in negatives vs slides in contrasty situations. i
| shoot
|  a lot of tennis in the middle of the day with provia 100, E200 or fugi
| multy
|  speed. i have an LS-1000 and do have trouble losing  the extreme
| highlights.
|  i like the color of slide film better than print. i entend to try print
| but
|  what kind.
|
| If you want to freeze action, try Kodak Supra 400 which is supposed to be
| optimised for scanning.
|
| Rob
| (I haven't had the chance to try it yet myself)
|
|




Re: filmscanners: Cleaning slides

2001-04-28 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

Wishful thinking - how many customers would a manufacturer lose by not
offering replacement v. repair?  How many of us have selected a scanner
based on having replacement v. repair available?  Very few IMHO.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: Lynn Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Cleaning slides


| Art wrote:
|
|  These same companies that immediately offer free
| repairs or replacement when a product doesn't meet functionality after
| minimal usage?
|
| To their everlasting credit, Acer *does* in fact replace, rather than
| repair, defective Scanwits with new ones. At least in the US, as I know
| firsthand.
|
| Given the 6-8 week turnaround of repairs, and the too-many-to-count horror
| stories of returning the same defective scanner, I'm surprised more
| manufacturers don't do the same thing. Seems to me that Satisfied
Customers
| are the best advertising a manufacturer can have. Especially with Lists
like
| this one in existence! :-)
|
| Best regards--LRA
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Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII

2001-04-28 Thread EdHamrick

In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:37:13 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Not wanting to reply with an obvious observation, I would have
  thought picking the 64bit option simply enabled scanning the IR, and
  there for Hersch's improved dust removal.  Can you elaborate on what
  you found?  Is this a problem with the LS-30 only?

I looked at the code again, and now I can't see anything wrong with
it.  I'll have to do some testing to see why this might be happening.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick



Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII

2001-04-28 Thread shAf

Ed writes ...


 In a message dated 4/27/2001 7:43:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  I found by
   accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700 ppi
scans on
   my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and
64-bit, 2700
   ppi settings.

 I looked at the code, and I think I can see the problem.  I've added
 this to my list of things to fix.  Thanks for finding this.

Not wanting to reply with an obvious observation, I would have
thought picking the 64bit option simply enabled scanning the IR, and
there for Hersch's improved dust removal.  Can you elaborate on what
you found?  Is this a problem with the LS-30 only?

shAf  :o)




Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread shAf

Ed writes ...

 In a message dated 4/28/2001 6:39:14 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  This raises an interesting question.  Is there any way to set the
focus
   location in vuescan?

 It focuses in the center of the scan region.  I'll look into this
some more
 when I get a loaner LS-4000 from Nikon, hopefully in the next week
or so.

It would seem a user could crop a small rectangle and ask for a
manual focus ... then crop preferentially and scan with automatic
focus disabled(?)  I've never been able to verify if this works ...
even while my LS-2000 goes through the motions, the manual focus
number doesn't update.

This is one of the few features I like about Nikonscan ... an
ability to zoom in, ask for a preview, ask for a focus, and ask again
for a preview.  You get to realize visual and numeric feedback, and
the preview scans take only seconds.  The visual feedback and previews
aren't all that necessary ... you simply learn to trust the focusing,
and I expect it would add considerable programming.  The numeric
feedback IS very useful, allowing you to realize differences from one
area of the film and another, and therefore to average the numbers (or
pick a preference) and enter the number in the manual focus dialog
box.

shAf  :o)




Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Mikael Risedal

I forgot to mention before that in NikonScan 3 and Siverfast 5 can the user 
select the focus spot manually ( move  the focus area out against the side 
of the film .)

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RE: filmscanners: Cleaning slides

2001-04-28 Thread Laurie Solomon

Have found no serious problems with 30-year-old
Ektachrome (other than its inherent contrastiness, which sometimes
challenges the DR of my scanner), but the colors *don't* seem to be as
bright as I remember.

But then, it could be your memory that has lost brilliance over the years.
:-)   I could not resist saying that Lynm; you left too big an opening to
ignore.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lynn Allen
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 7:30 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Cleaning slides


Art wrote:

 In fact out steadfast
Kodachrome, which has very good dark keeping properties, fades quite
rapidly in bright light-- I'm speaking of losses of dye density within
minutes under a projector bulb illumination.
 Ektachromes, on the other hand fare better under bright lighting, but have
poorer dark keeping properties.

Having done quite a few Kodachromes that were over 50 years old, I can
testify to Art's assessment. Have found no serious problems with 30-year-old
Ektachrome (other than its inherent contrastiness, which sometimes
challenges the DR of my scanner), but the colors *don't* seem to be as
bright as I remember.

I've also found that some dust on very old slides seems particularly
resistant to removal, as if it were fused to the slide. Frankly, as long as
I have a competent spot-retouching program I'm reluctant to clean old slides
with *anything* but a soft brush and air. But the occasional
thumbprint--more likely to be on negs than mounted slides--is enough to send
me running for help. :-)

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Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Tom Scales

But should you really have to do that? Isn't that adding a lot of manual
intervention to compensate for a design flaw?  I'm really interested in the
LS4000, but I never have to go to this trouble with my SS4000.

Tom

 I forgot to mention before that in NikonScan 3 and Siverfast 5 can the
user
 select the focus spot manually ( move  the focus area out against the side
 of the film .)

 Best regards Mikael Risedal





Re: filmscanners: Noise correction algorithms

2001-04-28 Thread Ryan Brooks

 This suddenly seems so obvious as I experience the problems more, and I
 wonder what I'm missing that it isn't more easy to deal with. (?) Example:
 red pixels in sky colors, when it isn't sunset, green pixels in skin-tones

How does a computer know that the blue in your picture is from the sky?  Or
that the red in your picture is a sunset and not a sportscar? :-)

-Ryan Brooks
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Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII

2001-04-28 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

Get some sleep, Ed.

Maris

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII


| In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:37:13 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
| 
|   Not wanting to reply with an obvious observation, I would have
|   thought picking the 64bit option simply enabled scanning the IR, and
|   there for Hersch's improved dust removal.  Can you elaborate on what
|   you found?  Is this a problem with the LS-30 only?
| 
| I looked at the code again, and now I can't see anything wrong with
| it.  I'll have to do some testing to see why this might be happening.
| 
| Regards,
| Ed Hamrick
| 




Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread shAf

Tom Scales writes ...

 But should you really have to do that? Isn't that adding a lot of
manual
 intervention to compensate for a design flaw?  I'm really interested
in the
 LS4000, but I never have to go to this trouble with my SS4000.

Was it a design flaw or a tradeoff?  I won't claim to know for
sure ... except to point out we've always been confronted with similar
tradeoffs.  The best enlargers have always offered diffused
illumination or better contrast with point source illumination.
However, to take best advantage of point source illumination and
potential edge sharpness we needed better resolution.  And then, we
were confronted with a need for glass carriers because of the
^inherent^ loss of depth of focus (a law of physics).
With regard to SS4000 vs LS-4000, there are analogies here.  A
choice of illumination, the optimum optics and a subsequent need for
decreased depth-of-focus.  For a buyer the question which remains is
which type of illumination suits your exposures and films best.
Independent of the need for IR, an educated guess would be, for
negatives and better color gamut, you might opt for increased edge
contrast and the Nikon (and flat film) ... but for an all around
better solution, negatives or slides, the Polaroid.
What remains is an A-B comparison for both print film and a slide,
of the same 2mm area, Nikon vs Polaroid (... Tony? ...)

my US$0.02 ... shAf  :o)




Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII

2001-04-28 Thread Hersch Nitikman

You're very welcome. I'm in no hurry to reinstall NS, either 2.5 or 3.0
Hersch

At 03:26 AM 04/28/2001 -0400, you wrote:
In a message dated 4/27/2001 7:43:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  I found by
   accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700 ppi scans on
   my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and 64-bit, 2700
   ppi settings.

I looked at the code, and I think I can see the problem.  I've added
this to my list of things to fix.  Thanks for finding this.

Regards,
Ed Hamrick





RE: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners

2001-04-28 Thread Vladislav Jurco

Maris wrote:

 I have now tried Kodak Supra 400 and, on the LS-30 at 2700spi it scans
 better than average but I would not consider it exceptional.
 I still have
 grain in blue skies and,

My experience with Supra 400 is very good. Very little grain-alliasing no
matter in which channel (skin, sky, greens) - especially absence in blue
channel surprised me most. I wouldn't believe that this is 400 ISO film.
Scanned with Dual II 2820 DPI.

Vlad


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Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Tom Scales

All points well taken.  My whole point of switching from the Polaroid to the
Nikon, though, was the I wanted the roll film carrier. Now, what I am
reading seems to imply that I have to manually adjust the focus on each
individual frame.  Perhaps I am misreading that, and a generic focus at a
middle spot would work, but why didn't Nikon do their software right then?

I want to be able to load a roll of film, go to bed, and wake up to 36
properly exposed, properly focused scans.  Why else have the roll film
adapter?

I might as well keep doing them 6 at a time.

Bottom line, it feels like a scanner that is late to the market and was
rushed.  Given time and releases of the software, it might be an incredible
scanner, but for now, I'll wait.

Tom

P.S. David, hint hint, give me the roll film adapter and I won't defect.


 Tom Scales writes ...

  But should you really have to do that? Isn't that adding a lot of
 manual
  intervention to compensate for a design flaw?  I'm really interested
 in the
  LS4000, but I never have to go to this trouble with my SS4000.

 Was it a design flaw or a tradeoff?  I won't claim to know for
 sure ... except to point out we've always been confronted with similar
 tradeoffs.  The best enlargers have always offered diffused
 illumination or better contrast with point source illumination.
 However, to take best advantage of point source illumination and
 potential edge sharpness we needed better resolution.  And then, we
 were confronted with a need for glass carriers because of the
 ^inherent^ loss of depth of focus (a law of physics).
 With regard to SS4000 vs LS-4000, there are analogies here.  A
 choice of illumination, the optimum optics and a subsequent need for
 decreased depth-of-focus.  For a buyer the question which remains is
 which type of illumination suits your exposures and films best.
 Independent of the need for IR, an educated guess would be, for
 negatives and better color gamut, you might opt for increased edge
 contrast and the Nikon (and flat film) ... but for an all around
 better solution, negatives or slides, the Polaroid.
 What remains is an A-B comparison for both print film and a slide,
 of the same 2mm area, Nikon vs Polaroid (... Tony? ...)

 my US$0.02 ... shAf  :o)





Re: filmscanners: No batchscanning with Vs7.0 Mac?

2001-04-28 Thread DRP

Hi Rob
That's it. I try batchscanning rawfiles to make crops (and to save time)
For the moment, I must admit that trying a kind of Vuescan's advanced
workflow  makes me late.
I guess I'll try to build an automation from an external dedicated software.
But I'm sure Vuescan is not scriptable.

Didier
(Vuescan v7.015 on Mac)







RE: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners

2001-04-28 Thread JimD

I'm fond of Supra 400 and use it a lot.
Recently I've also been shooting Provia 100F when
there is enough light. These films are apples
and oranges but Supra 400 is real 'chunky' compared to the
Provia. It is interesting to do a max zoom on a 4000 ppi file from
a 35 mm frame to see what the pixels look like up close.
Provia has much cleaner, uniform coloration among sets of
max zoomed pixels than the Supra 400 does.
This shows up in output in prints from the Provia being more
'sparkly' or 'luminous'.

It's kind of academic as I photograph dogs in available light so 100 speed 
film is a significant hindrance in early and late light where I
find most of my interesting pictures.

Based on the results I'm getting with Provia I'll be using it more,
I'll just teach the dogs to be stationary.
-JimD

At 10:18 PM 4/28/01 +0200, you wrote:
Maris wrote:

  I have now tried Kodak Supra 400 and, on the LS-30 at 2700spi it scans
  better than average but I would not consider it exceptional.
  I still have
  grain in blue skies and,

My experience with Supra 400 is very good. Very little grain-alliasing no
matter in which channel (skin, sky, greens) - especially absence in blue
channel surprised me most. I wouldn't believe that this is 400 ISO film.
Scanned with Dual II 2820 DPI.

Vlad


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Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Joel Wilcox

From: shAf [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 It would seem a user could crop a small rectangle and ask for a
manual focus ... then crop preferentially and scan with automatic
focus disabled(?)  I've never been able to verify if this works ...
even while my LS-2000 goes through the motions, the manual focus
number doesn't update.

I always found it easiest in VueScan just to let focus set up in auto and 
then switch to manual and alter the focus setting by an experimental amount 
-- my recollection is that it was .040 one way or the other.

Joel W.
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Re: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners

2001-04-28 Thread Maris V. Lidaka, Sr.

I'll have to get a Dual II 2820 DPI.

Maris

- Original Message -
From: Vladislav Jurco [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 3:18 PM
Subject: RE: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners


Maris wrote:

 I have now tried Kodak Supra 400 and, on the LS-30 at 2700spi it scans
 better than average but I would not consider it exceptional.
 I still have
 grain in blue skies and,

My experience with Supra 400 is very good. Very little grain-alliasing no
matter in which channel (skin, sky, greens) - especially absence in blue
channel surprised me most. I wouldn't believe that this is 400 ISO film.
Scanned with Dual II 2820 DPI.

Vlad


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Re: filmscanners: Negatives vs. slides in new scanners

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'll have to get a Dual II 2820 DPI.
Vladislav Jurco [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My experience with Supra 400 is very good. Very little grain-alliasing no
 matter in which channel (skin, sky, greens) - especially absence in blue
 channel surprised me most. I wouldn't believe that this is 400 ISO film.
 Scanned with Dual II 2820 DPI.

Maybe you guys need to exchange a slide or neg and try scanning exactly
the same piece of film and compare the result?

Rob





Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

Tom Scales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I want to be able to load a roll of film, go to bed, and wake up to 36
 properly exposed, properly focused scans.  Why else have the roll film
 adapter?

Possibly Ed could modify vuescan to focus on a specific offset in the frame.

Rob





Re: filmscanners: Noise correction algorithms

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

Lynn Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Since dust is always white on negs and always black on slides, while
 noise is usually lighter and grain is usually darker than the
 surrounding field of pixels, is this or can it be considered in the
cleaning
 algorithms?

If you could characterise the noise in a particular CCD you could remove
it using a fourier transform.  I doubt it would work with grain aliasing and
definitely not with dust because dust is too grossly random.  But it ought
to work effectively on CCD noise.

Noise removal under specific circumstances like shadows or highlights
might be a good thing to preserve details in other areas.

Rob





Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It focuses in the center of the scan region.  I'll look into this some
more
 when I get a loaner LS-4000 from Nikon, hopefully in the next week or so.

Thanks Ed!  I was thinking of all the Nikon scanners, which supposedly
have a capability to focus on a specific point - I have an LS30.  So far
I don't think I've had significant focus problems except with the ends of
some film strips in the strip feeder.

Rob





Re: filmscanners: No batchscanning with Vs7.0 Mac?

2001-04-28 Thread Rob Geraghty

Didier wrote:
 That's it. I try batchscanning rawfiles to make crops (and to save time)

Hm.  I'll have to try batch cropping from raw files.  I wouldn't have
thought of it!

Rob





filmscanners: Nikon Coolscan IV Focus

2001-04-28 Thread Douglas Landrum

I have posted on the list a couple of times that I find no lack of depth of
field on the Nikon Coolscan IV - LS-40.  After seeing several posts that
question the depth of field on the LS-4000, I decided to perform an
experiment with the Coolscan IV and post the results found here:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=117469

This is a comparison of the corner portion of a Kodachrome slide scanned
using three separate focus points on my Coolscan IV using Nikon Scan 3.0
with the Digital ICE off.  I selected an old slide of no particular
artistic value.  The slide shows about average curvature in the mount for
Kodachrome.

The first image shows the corner section with the autofocus point at the
center default.  The second image shows the results moving the autofocus
point to the lower center of the edge.  The third image shows the autofocus
point dead on the flower pedal in the corner enlarged.  The whole slide scan
is shown as the fourth image with the corner enlarged highlighted. The
values of the manual focus slider in the tool pallet of Nikon Scan 3.0 were
101, 99 and 96 respectively.

I saw no difference in the quality of the focus with the raw scan data
imported into Photoshop 6.0 scaled to 300%.  Any larger scaling  of the
images showed pixels.  The JPEGs posted show what I saw at a 300% scaling of
the raw image.  The LS-4000 may have different optics or the greater ppi of
the LS-400 may show more critical focus but the 2900 ppi of the Coolscan IV
does not show any focus problems to me.

Douglas F. Landrum
Laguna Beach, California
[EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: filmscanners: LS4000 and sharpness

2001-04-28 Thread Tom Scales

That would make the buy decision for me, since I do all my scanning with
Vuescan now.

Tom

 Tom Scales [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I want to be able to load a roll of film, go to bed, and wake up to 36
  properly exposed, properly focused scans.  Why else have the roll film
  adapter?

 Possibly Ed could modify vuescan to focus on a specific offset in the
frame.

 Rob