Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
As I have said before, I use NS3.0 with my LS2000 and have had no problems. Colour is IMHO better straight out of the box and my other previous comments are below. There are quite a few others on this list and others who are using it too, some with macs and some pcs. Mine is a pc, and I have not had any problems, but then I have not tried setting up colour management either. I am pleased with the colour exactly as it is on my system, for non-critical work. Nikon USA were non-committal about using the NS3/LS2000 combination; they just wished me luck. Julian -last post- I am using Nikonscan 3.0 with my LS2000. I was doubtful as to whether it would work with Win98 not SE, but it does, apparently flawlessly touch wood (apart from same bugs/problems others have noted). So it seems the only reason Nikon require Win98SE is for the firewire connection. Ver 3.0 is a great improvement in many ways on 2.5.1, once you get used to the initially annoying tool palette. As someone else noted, no more blown highlights, and the histogram is much more accurate at the low end - where I had constant problems with 2.5.1. One interesting point - on mine at least the ver 3 ICE produces much more softening than the ver 2 ICE did. I don't know why this would be so. Using sharpen helps significantly. I haven't seen jaggies yet, but I haven't looked hard yet either. If I activate curves the whole thing slows down greatly, which it did not do under the old version. Another small mystery. - julian At 02:34 30/04/01, you wrote: This site says that you should not use Nikonscan 3.0 with the LS-2000? Is this true? The site indicates that later versions of Nikonscan 3.0 will officially support the LS-2000. =Steve Caspersen - Original Message - From: Dale Gail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII You can get it from the following URL: http://www.nikontechusa.com/ Dale From: Andreas Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Hersch, were did you get NikonScan 3.0? regards, Andi Julian Robinson in usually sunny, smog free Canberra, Australia
RE: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Hi Hersch, were did you get NikonScan 3.0? regards, Andi
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
You can get it from the following URL: http://www.nikontechusa.com/ Dale From: Andreas Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Hersch, were did you get NikonScan 3.0? regards, Andi
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
This site says that you should not use Nikonscan 3.0 with the LS-2000? Is this true? The site indicates that later versions of Nikonscan 3.0 will officially support the LS-2000. =Steve Caspersen - Original Message - From: Dale Gail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 3:10 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII You can get it from the following URL: http://www.nikontechusa.com/ Dale From: Andreas Kurz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Hersch, were did you get NikonScan 3.0? regards, Andi
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
I couldn't say. I think there are people on this list that have tried it with the LS30 and LS2000. Dale From: Steve Caspersen [EMAIL PROTECTED] This site says that you should not use Nikonscan 3.0 with the LS-2000? Is this true? The site indicates that later versions of Nikonscan 3.0 will officially support the LS-2000. =Steve Caspersen
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/27/2001 7:43:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found by accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700 ppi scans on my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and 64-bit, 2700 ppi settings. As in 64bit is far better? I looked at the code, and I think I can see the problem. I've added this to my list of things to fix. Thanks for finding this. Cool! BTW I think I'll have to go back to Adobe RGB from ColormatchRGB in Vuescan. The cherry red colours and oversaturated reds are too hard to correct. On my LS30 and screen, ColormatchRGB just doesn't work with red. And the reds don't look right on the monitor at work either. Rob
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:37:13 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Not wanting to reply with an obvious observation, I would have thought picking the 64bit option simply enabled scanning the IR, and there for Hersch's improved dust removal. Can you elaborate on what you found? Is this a problem with the LS-30 only? I looked at the code again, and now I can't see anything wrong with it. I'll have to do some testing to see why this might be happening. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Ed writes ... In a message dated 4/27/2001 7:43:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found by accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700 ppi scans on my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and 64-bit, 2700 ppi settings. I looked at the code, and I think I can see the problem. I've added this to my list of things to fix. Thanks for finding this. Not wanting to reply with an obvious observation, I would have thought picking the 64bit option simply enabled scanning the IR, and there for Hersch's improved dust removal. Can you elaborate on what you found? Is this a problem with the LS-30 only? shAf :o)
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Get some sleep, Ed. Maris - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 10:39 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII | In a message dated 4/28/2001 10:37:13 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | Not wanting to reply with an obvious observation, I would have | thought picking the 64bit option simply enabled scanning the IR, and | there for Hersch's improved dust removal. Can you elaborate on what | you found? Is this a problem with the LS-30 only? | | I looked at the code again, and now I can't see anything wrong with | it. I'll have to do some testing to see why this might be happening. | | Regards, | Ed Hamrick |
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
You're very welcome. I'm in no hurry to reinstall NS, either 2.5 or 3.0 Hersch At 03:26 AM 04/28/2001 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 4/27/2001 7:43:30 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I found by accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700 ppi scans on my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and 64-bit, 2700 ppi settings. I looked at the code, and I think I can see the problem. I've added this to my list of things to fix. Thanks for finding this. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
In a message dated 4/26/2001 11:00:45 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I haven't tried Nikonscan 3, since it reportedly does not deliver hi-bit scan data. Not with the LS30. It should with the LS2000 or the LS4000 and LS8000. I think the LS40 may also be bit depth hobbled? The LS-30 is limited to 8-bit data with NikonScan 3, but the LS-40 retrieves 12-bit data. Regards, Ed Hamrick
RE: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Ed made some changes to IR cleaning between Vuescan 6.7.5 and the 7.0 series. I find many instances of incomplete scratch cleaning from LS-30 in 7.x that are completely removed using 6.7.5. Still true with 7.0.14. ... ... It seems to me Ed also made a change during that period of versions, the result being his IR dust removal had absolutely no effect on areas of the image where no dust was present (no softening). Have you also compared those areas??? No, not a detailed compare. I bring vuescan-scanned images into Photoshop in hi-bit mode for further editing, and haven't seen any undesirable softness there using cleaning alone. (The more intense grain elimination clean/filter options 2 and 3 that go beyond IR-cleaning of course will soften an image.) Except for scratch removal both versions produce very good images that meet my needs for both web and print (Epson 1200). Vuescan 7 sometimes will give better initial colors. Ideal if Ed could implement it would be an additional filter option (in 7) to use 6.7.5's IR-clean algorithm in the cases where it's needed. This applies to my images, mostly from stage-lighting in theatre on higher speed neg film. Might be different for daylight shots. -- Bob Shomler http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm
RE: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
With regard to Vuescan cleaning and ROC in version 7.0+, I found by accident that there is a huge difference between 48-bit 2700 ppi scans on my LS-30 (where that should have been more than enough) and 64-bit, 2700 ppi settings. In the former, the filters didn't seem to work worth sour apples. In 64-bit mode, it was a revelation. The magenta flesh tones in my 25-year-old slides suddenly turned human, in most cases. A little work in PS4 (I'm way behind the times, I know) and I had very presentable images, at least at the standard of family photo album usage. Since those old slides were precious (like my mother's 80th birthday party, several of the people now long gone) it has helped greatly to justify my investment in the scanner, as that was a primary motivation for me. Hersch At 07:53 AM 04/27/2001 -0700, you wrote: Ed made some changes to IR cleaning between Vuescan 6.7.5 and the 7.0 series. I find many instances of incomplete scratch cleaning from LS-30 in 7.x that are completely removed using 6.7.5. Still true with 7.0.14. ... ... It seems to me Ed also made a change during that period of versions, the result being his IR dust removal had absolutely no effect on areas of the image where no dust was present (no softening). Have you also compared those areas??? No, not a detailed compare. I bring vuescan-scanned images into Photoshop in hi-bit mode for further editing, and haven't seen any undesirable softness there using cleaning alone. (The more intense grain elimination clean/filter options 2 and 3 that go beyond IR-cleaning of course will soften an image.) Except for scratch removal both versions produce very good images that meet my needs for both web and print (Epson 1200). Vuescan 7 sometimes will give better initial colors. Ideal if Ed could implement it would be an additional filter option (in 7) to use 6.7.5's IR-clean algorithm in the cases where it's needed. This applies to my images, mostly from stage-lighting in theatre on higher speed neg film. Might be different for daylight shots. -- Bob Shomler http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Compared to Vuescan, scratch removal is much better Ed made some changes to IR cleaning between Vuescan 6.7.5 and the 7.0 series. I find many instances of incomplete scratch cleaning from LS-30 in 7.x that are completely removed using 6.7.5. Still true with 7.0.14. I haven't tried Nikonscan 3, since it reportedly does not deliver hi-bit scan data. I get around Vuescan's cleaning deficiency by using 6.7.5, but of course would prefer to use the current release. I sent Ed a note a month ago describing this along with an example. He replied then that I'm completely bogged down with some work right now and can't really look into this for a few weeks. So perhaps when he has time to get back to this there may be some improvements to Vuescan's IR clean function. Bob Shomler www.shomler.com - There was some discussion recently about using the new Nikonscan 3.0 with older Nikon scanners. This is my experience with a Coolscan III:- The new interface is much better with more controls and the help is at last accessable. Scans from negs are improved in that the highlights are not being blown out as much. As has been said bulk scanning crashes, but I've overcome that by using Twain in Thumbs Plus which works very well. Occasional crashes but I assume that's to be expected when using 2 Beta programs in sync Compared to Vuescan, scratch removal is much better, skin tones are warmer, and healthier looking, colors are more vivid. In all thanks to whoever originally brought this to the list John Bradbury
RE: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Bob Shomler writes ... Ed made some changes to IR cleaning between Vuescan 6.7.5 and the 7.0 series. I find many instances of incomplete scratch cleaning from LS-30 in 7.x that are completely removed using 6.7.5. Still true with 7.0.14. ... ... I sent Ed a note a month ago describing this along with an example. ... It seems to me Ed also made a change during that period of versions, the result being his IR dust removal had absolutely no effect on areas of the image where no dust was present (no softening). Have you also compared those areas??? shAf :o)
Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Bob Shomler wrote: I haven't tried Nikonscan 3, since it reportedly does not deliver hi-bit scan data. Nikon Scan 3.0 will return 12-bit color from the LS-40 and 14-bit color from the LS-4000. - Original Message - From: Bob Shomler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 6:05 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII Compared to Vuescan, scratch removal is much better Ed made some changes to IR cleaning between Vuescan 6.7.5 and the 7.0 series. I find many instances of incomplete scratch cleaning from LS-30 in 7.x that are completely removed using 6.7.5. Still true with 7.0.14. I haven't tried Nikonscan 3, since it reportedly does not deliver hi-bit scan data. I get around Vuescan's cleaning deficiency by using 6.7.5, but of course would prefer to use the current release. I sent Ed a note a month ago describing this along with an example. He replied then that I'm completely bogged down with some work right now and can't really look into this for a few weeks. So perhaps when he has time to get back to this there may be some improvements to Vuescan's IR clean function. Bob Shomler www.shomler.com - There was some discussion recently about using the new Nikonscan 3.0 with older Nikon scanners. This is my experience with a Coolscan III:- The new interface is much better with more controls and the help is at last accessable. Scans from negs are improved in that the highlights are not being blown out as much. As has been said bulk scanning crashes, but I've overcome that by using Twain in Thumbs Plus which works very well. Occasional crashes but I assume that's to be expected when using 2 Beta programs in sync Compared to Vuescan, scratch removal is much better, skin tones are warmer, and healthier looking, colors are more vivid. In all thanks to whoever originally brought this to the list John Bradbury
RE: filmscanners: Nikonscan3.0 and LSIII
Michael wrote: It seems to me Ed also made a change during that period of versions, the result being his IR dust removal had absolutely no effect on areas of the image where no dust was present (no softening). Have you also compared those areas??? In my experience on the LS30, any cleaning setting on Vuescan (any version) makes the output slightly softer. The results may be different on other scanners. Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com
