Re: Epson x70 orange shift (was Re: how does the mailing list work?)

[Rob Geraghty]

Laurie Solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well Rob, I hope you realize what you have just done.  You have complained
> about the rehashing of the issue on the Epson-inkjet list (both on this
list
> and on that list) while going ahead and rehashing the very beginnings of
the
> Epson thread on this list.

There is not and never has been the quantity of traffic on this list over
the issue.
I have repeatedly pointed people in the direction of the leben list if they
want to
know about it, and I have tried to only summarise the issues here because
it's
OT.

> I really have no problem with rehashing the
> issue on various lists and actually think it does a service for those who
> may not have heard about the problem or are new to it.

I *do* have a problem with getting digests from the leben list which are at
least
50-60% devoted to ONE printer which I don't own and most of the people on
the list don't own.  Bob on the Epson list agreed and asked that the thread
be restricted to new information and maybe an occasional post as an FAQ.
That didn't happen.

> I do have to wonder about when some one doe rehash it and then complains
> because the same old arguments get mad repeatedly on not just the original
> list but on many other related lists.

See above.  Half of the film scanners list traffic is NOT being devoted to
the
topic.

> My suggestion for what it is worth is to go ahead and discuss the issue
but
> stop putting down implicitly others on this or other lists who are
> continuing to bring up issues and arguments even repeatedly.

If the people on the leben list would reply properly instead of including
all 14
pages of the previous message, I wouldn't give a damn.  But it seems that
most are absolutely clueless about netiquette.

I've said the last I'm going to say on the topic.  Now I'm being flamed for
trying to help people who haven't heard about the problem and pointing
them in the right direction to find out about it.  I don't have an x70
printer
anyway, so it's of no significance to me personally.

My apologies to Tony and everyone else on the film scanners list for
taking up bandwidth when it's at a premium, but I prefer to make a
public response to a public flame.  Laurie, if you wish to continue
this discussion, please email me *off* the list.

Rob




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RE: Epson x70 orange shift (was Re: how does the mailing list work?)

[Laurie Solomon]

Well Rob, I hope you realize what you have just done.  You have complained
about the rehashing of the issue on the Epson-inkjet list (both on this list
and on that list) while going ahead and rehashing the very beginnings of the
Epson thread on this list.  I really have no problem with rehashing the
issue on various lists and actually think it does a service for those who
may not have heard about the problem or are new to it.  I do have to wonder
about when some one doe rehash it and then complains because the same old
arguments get mad repeatedly on not just the original list but on many other
related lists.

My suggestion for what it is worth is to go ahead and discuss the issue but
stop putting down implicitly others on this or other lists who are
continuing to bring up issues and arguments even repeatedly.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Geraghty
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 7:17 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OT: Epson x70 orange shift (was Re: how does the mailing list
work?)


Bruce Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've seen this site as well. Shocking images, true, but I haven't
seen
> the problem myself.

The effect was a lot more mild than I expected.  From the noises being made
on the inkjet list, it sounded like the end of the world - but then if I had
sold a
print for a large amount of money and the client returned it due to orange
shifts, I'd be worried too.

> I've used Photo Paper and Premium Glossy Photo Paper and
> not seen anything even vaguely like these examples. I take it from your
> response that you are experiencing these colour shift problems Rob?

We've printed on EPP but not PGPP, and not noticed the shift - but it can
be so slight that you really need a test like the one where half the image
is covered to show it.  Maybe North America inherently has more atmospheric
ozone?
My own printer is a 700 but we have a 1270 at work.  The 700 inks fade, but
don't orange shift. ;)

> My question was not who has heard of the problem so much as who has
actually
> experienced them. It seems to me that there are a few people making a lot
of
> noise.

My impression is that there's a small number of professional users who are
very
picky that have started a panic amongst non-professional users.  For those
professional users or anyone who wants to sell the prints they make, it's a
major issue.  It's less of an issue for others - unless they have a
particularly
high ozone environment and don't frame their prints behind glass.

Regardless, I think Epson is making a mistake if they don't reformulate the
ink as well as the paper.

> I'll wait a few months longer before I make my own assessment I guess.
I've
> only had the printer about 3 months. Also, the new paper is due out
> soon(ish) and that may help alleviate the problem. Needless to say I'm
> keeping my paper purchases to a minimum for a while!

I was suprised to see that Harvey Norman in Brisbane is still selling PGPP.

Anyway, this is OT and should go to the Epson list (oh god no) if anywhere.
No sign of the bandwidth wastage there settling down.  How many times
can you state and restate the same thing?

Rob




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OT: Epson x70 orange shift (was Re: how does the mailing list work?)

[Rob Geraghty]

Bruce Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I've seen this site as well. Shocking images, true, but I haven't
seen
> the problem myself.

The effect was a lot more mild than I expected.  From the noises being made
on the inkjet list, it sounded like the end of the world - but then if I had
sold a
print for a large amount of money and the client returned it due to orange
shifts, I'd be worried too.

> I've used Photo Paper and Premium Glossy Photo Paper and
> not seen anything even vaguely like these examples. I take it from your
> response that you are experiencing these colour shift problems Rob?

We've printed on EPP but not PGPP, and not noticed the shift - but it can
be so slight that you really need a test like the one where half the image
is covered to show it.  Maybe North America inherently has more atmospheric
ozone?
My own printer is a 700 but we have a 1270 at work.  The 700 inks fade, but
don't orange shift. ;)

> My question was not who has heard of the problem so much as who has
actually
> experienced them. It seems to me that there are a few people making a lot
of
> noise.

My impression is that there's a small number of professional users who are
very
picky that have started a panic amongst non-professional users.  For those
professional users or anyone who wants to sell the prints they make, it's a
major issue.  It's less of an issue for others - unless they have a
particularly
high ozone environment and don't frame their prints behind glass.

Regardless, I think Epson is making a mistake if they don't reformulate the
ink as well as the paper.

> I'll wait a few months longer before I make my own assessment I guess.
I've
> only had the printer about 3 months. Also, the new paper is due out
> soon(ish) and that may help alleviate the problem. Needless to say I'm
> keeping my paper purchases to a minimum for a while!

I was suprised to see that Harvey Norman in Brisbane is still selling PGPP.

Anyway, this is OT and should go to the Epson list (oh god no) if anywhere.
No sign of the bandwidth wastage there settling down.  How many times
can you state and restate the same thing?

Rob




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RE: how does the mailing list work?

[JimD]

Bruce,
For a time I thought that the Epson 'gasfastness' orange shift problem
was something that only affected other users. I thought maybe it
was a figment from the imaginations of overly critical users.

Then I tacked some prints on my wall at work.
Prints on Epson's premium glossy paper tacked to that wall
show a noticeable orange shift in ~ a week.
After a month those prints display a dramatic orange shift.
Prints on heavy weight matte hold up better but I think I'm starting
to see changes in those after they are up for about 2 months.
In my experience, when you are affected by this problem it won't
be subtle.

I now regard all output from my 1270, on any paper, as fatally impermanent 
if displayed 'naked'. The prints I care about go into
plastic sleeves, albums, or frames. And, I'm skeptical about the life
of these protected prints.

Caveat Emptor,
JimD

At 04:16 PM 9/20/00 +1000, you wrote:
>I know this may invoke some passionate responses but has anybody in this
>group actually experienced the Epson 1270 orange cast problem mentioned?
>I've read all the info provided in the links given but I've never actually
>experienced the problem myself. Am I in the lucky minority or am I not
>examining the prints closely enough over time?
>
>Bruce Roberts.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon
> > Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2000 7:19 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: how does the mailing list work?
> >
> >
> > Of course it depends on what you mean by "minority problem" and
> > whom you are
> > talking to.
> >
> > Check out: For the latest on the 1270/870/875DC Orange-Shift
> >   }
> >  Head to http://www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/
> > Or you could check out the latest issue of PCWorld or Bruce Fraser's open
> > letter in MacWeek
> > (http://macweek.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/storyforums/storyforums/_2000_09
>_03_0908co
>lorgeek/forum.pl?read=86.  Epson has responded to Bruce's letter ( but I
>have lost the link), which hopefully can be found with other related
>materials at the www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/ site.
>
>The problem seems to be the ease with which the dyes ( especially the cyan)
>are susceptible to oxidation and air contaimination; they are found to take
>place faster and with greater ease on the Premium Glossy paper but are also
>found to take place on the other papers as well although not to the same
>degree or extent.  The premium glossy was taken offf the moraket by Epson to
>be replaced by a new formulation that has an oxidation barrier which will
>retard the orange shift 5-6 times longer than under the old Premium glossy
>formulation but will not prevent it from taking place.  This, however, is
>really meaningless if you are one of the people who live in an area where
>such shifts took place within a day to two weeks of printing since 5-6 times
>longer would result in de4laying the shift for 6 days to twelve weeks. :-)
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep
>Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:54 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: how does the mailing list work?
>
>
> > PS The output from the 1270 on Epson Premium Glossy paper is awesome,
> > but there is a problem with prints getting an orange cast over time.
>
>Yes, I know, but it seems to be a minority problem. However you're quite
>right to warn about it.
>
>Regards
>
>Tony Sleep
>http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
>info & comparisons
>
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RE: how does the mailing list work?

[Bruce Roberts]

Yes, I've seen this site as well. Shocking images, true, but I haven't seen
the problem myself. I've used Photo Paper and Premium Glossy Photo Paper and
not seen anything even vaguely like these examples. I take it from your
response that you are experiencing these colour shift problems Rob? My
question was not who has heard of the problem so much as who has actually
experienced them. It seems to me that there are a few people making a lot of
noise. Then again it's very hard to say that based on newsgroups and web
sites - they are inherently noisy on particular topics.

I'll wait a few months longer before I make my own assessment I guess. I've
only had the printer about 3 months. Also, the new paper is due out
soon(ish) and that may help alleviate the problem. Needless to say I'm
keeping my paper purchases to a minimum for a while!

Bruce.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Geraghty
> Sent: Thursday, 21 September 2000 10:38 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: how does the mailing list work?
>
>
> Bruce Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know this may invoke some passionate responses but has anybody in this
> > group actually experienced the Epson 1270 orange cast problem mentioned?
>
> Have a look at:
> http://home.cox.rr.com/meyerfamily/epson/epson.html
>
> I'd suggest that the only way you'll see it is to have images to compare -
> scan something with skintones printed on Epson Premium Glossy just
> after printing, then scan it after a month's exposure to air and compare
> the results.  The effect in some cases seems to be a fairly subtle warming
> of the image, so it may not be easy to spot.
>
> What paper are you printing on?
>
> Rob
>
>
>
> 
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Re: how does the mailing list work?

[Jo Ann Snover]

> Funnily enough I experience the so called Orange Shift problem when printing
> on PGPP from my 750.
> 
> In the past I've printed a portrait of my tanned wife only to be
> disappointed with the immediate results, the brown skin tones fizz with an
> orange tint, but if left for 10mins or so the print tones down to the
> correct colour. In effect the Orange Shift actually works in my favour?
> 
> Work that one out!

I think what you're seeing is something else. I have heard others say
that they think they see some sort of "curing" of the magenta ink on the
PGPP. They mentioned about 10 minutes after printing as the time in
which the "curing" took place.

If you were seeing the orange shift, it would continue to get worse.

I think the special coating on PGPP explains this behavior and would
thus happen with any ink set.

regards,

Jo Ann


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RE: how does the mailing list work?

[Tony Sleep]

Yes, I know about this stuff.

>  The premium glossy was taken offf the moraket by Epson to
> be replaced by a new formulation that has an oxidation barrier which 
> will
> retard the orange shift 5-6 times longer than under the old Premium 
> glossy
> formulation but will not prevent it from taking place.  This, however, 
> is
> really meaningless if you are one of the people who live in an area 
> where
> such shifts took place within a day to two weeks of printing since 5-6 
> times
> longer would result in de4laying the shift for 6 days to twelve weeks. 
> :-)

You make a good point ;-)


Regards 

Tony Sleep
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info & comparisons

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Re: how does the mailing list work?

[Rob Geraghty]

Bruce Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I know this may invoke some passionate responses but has anybody in this
> group actually experienced the Epson 1270 orange cast problem mentioned?

Have a look at:
http://home.cox.rr.com/meyerfamily/epson/epson.html

I'd suggest that the only way you'll see it is to have images to compare -
scan something with skintones printed on Epson Premium Glossy just
after printing, then scan it after a month's exposure to air and compare
the results.  The effect in some cases seems to be a fairly subtle warming
of the image, so it may not be easy to spot.

What paper are you printing on?

Rob




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Re: how does the mailing list work?

[Richard]

Funnily enough I experience the so called Orange Shift problem when printing
on PGPP from my 750.

In the past I've printed a portrait of my tanned wife only to be
disappointed with the immediate results, the brown skin tones fizz with an
orange tint, but if left for 10mins or so the print tones down to the
correct colour. In effect the Orange Shift actually works in my favour?

Work that one out!

-- 

Regards

Richard

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> 
> I know this may invoke some passionate responses but has anybody in this
> group actually experienced the Epson 1270 orange cast problem mentioned?
> I've read all the info provided in the links given but I've never actually
> experienced the problem myself. Am I in the lucky minority or am I not
> examining the prints closely enough over time?
> 
> Bruce Roberts.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2000 7:19 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: how does the mailing list work?
>> 
>> 
>> Of course it depends on what you mean by "minority problem" and
>> whom you are
>> talking to.
>> 
>> Check out: For the latest on the 1270/870/875DC Orange-Shift
>> }
>> Head to http://www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/
>> Or you could check out the latest issue of PCWorld or Bruce Fraser's open
>> letter in MacWeek
>> (http://macweek.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/storyforums/storyforums/_2000_09
> _03_0908co
> lorgeek/forum.pl?read=86.  Epson has responded to Bruce's letter ( but I
> have lost the link), which hopefully can be found with other related
> materials at the www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/ site.
> 
> The problem seems to be the ease with which the dyes ( especially the cyan)
> are susceptible to oxidation and air contaimination; they are found to take
> place faster and with greater ease on the Premium Glossy paper but are also
> found to take place on the other papers as well although not to the same
> degree or extent.  The premium glossy was taken offf the moraket by Epson to
> be replaced by a new formulation that has an oxidation barrier which will
> retard the orange shift 5-6 times longer than under the old Premium glossy
> formulation but will not prevent it from taking place.  This, however, is
> really meaningless if you are one of the people who live in an area where
> such shifts took place within a day to two weeks of printing since 5-6 times
> longer would result in de4laying the shift for 6 days to twelve weeks. :-)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep
> Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: how does the mailing list work?
> 
> 
>> PS The output from the 1270 on Epson Premium Glossy paper is awesome,
>> but there is a problem with prints getting an orange cast over time.
> 
> Yes, I know, but it seems to be a minority problem. However you're quite
> right to warn about it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Tony Sleep
> http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
> info & comparisons
> 
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RE: how does the mailing list work?

[Bruce Roberts]

I know this may invoke some passionate responses but has anybody in this
group actually experienced the Epson 1270 orange cast problem mentioned?
I've read all the info provided in the links given but I've never actually
experienced the problem myself. Am I in the lucky minority or am I not
examining the prints closely enough over time?

Bruce Roberts.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 September 2000 7:19 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: how does the mailing list work?
>
>
> Of course it depends on what you mean by "minority problem" and
> whom you are
> talking to.
>
> Check out: For the latest on the 1270/870/875DC Orange-Shift
>   }
>  Head to http://www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/
> Or you could check out the latest issue of PCWorld or Bruce Fraser's open
> letter in MacWeek
> (http://macweek.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/storyforums/storyforums/_2000_09
_03_0908co
lorgeek/forum.pl?read=86.  Epson has responded to Bruce's letter ( but I
have lost the link), which hopefully can be found with other related
materials at the www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/ site.

The problem seems to be the ease with which the dyes ( especially the cyan)
are susceptible to oxidation and air contaimination; they are found to take
place faster and with greater ease on the Premium Glossy paper but are also
found to take place on the other papers as well although not to the same
degree or extent.  The premium glossy was taken offf the moraket by Epson to
be replaced by a new formulation that has an oxidation barrier which will
retard the orange shift 5-6 times longer than under the old Premium glossy
formulation but will not prevent it from taking place.  This, however, is
really meaningless if you are one of the people who live in an area where
such shifts took place within a day to two weeks of printing since 5-6 times
longer would result in de4laying the shift for 6 days to twelve weeks. :-)


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how does the mailing list work?


> PS The output from the 1270 on Epson Premium Glossy paper is awesome,
> but there is a problem with prints getting an orange cast over time.

Yes, I know, but it seems to be a minority problem. However you're quite
right to warn about it.

Regards

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner
info & comparisons

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RE: how does the mailing list work?

[Laurie Solomon]

Of course it depends on what you mean by "minority problem" and whom you are
talking to.

Check out: For the latest on the 1270/870/875DC Orange-Shift
  }
 Head to http://www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/
Or you could check out the latest issue of PCWorld or Bruce Fraser's open
letter in MacWeek
(http://macweek.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/storyforums/storyforums/_2000_09_03_0908co
lorgeek/forum.pl?read=86.  Epson has responded to Bruce's letter ( but I
have lost the link), which hopefully can be found with other related
materials at the www.p-o-v-image.com/epson/ site.

The problem seems to be the ease with which the dyes ( especially the cyan)
are susceptible to oxidation and air contaimination; they are found to take
place faster and with greater ease on the Premium Glossy paper but are also
found to take place on the other papers as well although not to the same
degree or extent.  The premium glossy was taken offf the moraket by Epson to
be replaced by a new formulation that has an oxidation barrier which will
retard the orange shift 5-6 times longer than under the old Premium glossy
formulation but will not prevent it from taking place.  This, however, is
really meaningless if you are one of the people who live in an area where
such shifts took place within a day to two weeks of printing since 5-6 times
longer would result in de4laying the shift for 6 days to twelve weeks. :-)


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Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: how does the mailing list work?


> PS The output from the 1270 on Epson Premium Glossy paper is awesome,
> but there is a problem with prints getting an orange cast over time.

Yes, I know, but it seems to be a minority problem. However you're quite
right to warn about it.

Regards

Tony Sleep
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Re: how does the mailing list work?

[Tony Sleep]

> PS The output from the 1270 on Epson Premium Glossy paper is awesome,
> but there is a problem with prints getting an orange cast over time.

Yes, I know, but it seems to be a minority problem. However you're quite 
right to warn about it.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner 
info & comparisons

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Re: how does the mailing list work?

[Rob Geraghty]

Tony Sleep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> AFAICR now the 1520 was the A3 format 720dpi 3-colour precursor to the
> 1200? Prints will seem rather gritty. An upgrade to the 1200 or 1270 would
> make a big improvement, comparable to C41. In some ways better.

Given the noise on the Epson inkjet list about the 1270, I wouldn't advise
anyone to buy one until the ink and paper issues are resolved.  The 1160
is a four colour printer which gives excellent output, the ink fades slower,
and you can use continuous ink systems and 3rd party archival inks with
it.  The 1270 can *only* be used with OEM ink.

If John Cone makes a version of Piezography for the 1520, it would make it
a much more useful printer.  I'd suggest that the poster checks out the
digest version of the leben inkjet list at www.leben.com

Rob

PS The output from the 1270 on Epson Premium Glossy paper is awesome,
but there is a problem with prints getting an orange cast over time.

Obscanning - I must try printing one of my Nikon scans on the 1270 at work.
:)




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[Tony Sleep]

> I imagine there's a place with all the letters to this list so people
> can browse them, but I don't know how to get there. Please could someone
> tell me how does this work?

You will notice your mailbox filling up with them:)

> 
> The question I'd like to know is as follows. I normally take pics with
> slide film and I'm thinking on buying a film scanner to print them on an
> Epson Stylus 1520. I'd like to know how does this compare to prints
> taken to the photolab, what is the size you can enlarge them with a
> reasonable quality etc.

AFAICR now the 1520 was the A3 format 720dpi 3-colour precursor to the 
1200? Prints will seem rather gritty. An upgrade to the 1200 or 1270 would 
make a big improvement, comparable to C41. In some ways better.

A competent 2700ppi filmscanner is just about good enough for A3.


Regards 

Tony Sleep
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