RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 19:05:40 -0600 Stan Schwartz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thanks. Polaroid should have put that fact in their docs or readmes. :-) Docs are always the last thing to get done, and with betas they are either aspirational (what it will do, hopefully, once out of beta), or re some previous version, or just wrong. It's not Polaroid specifically, it's just how it is with betas in general. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio exhibit; + film scanner info comparisons
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 11:42:44 -0600 Stan Schwartz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Enable color profile embedding by clicking the Embed Color Profile box when choosing a filename for a scanned image. The profile embedded is the output profile, the same one used to create your image file. " This is version 4.5. I read that to mean it should be embedding the profile. Yes, but AFAIK there's no version of 4.5 around in which this is implemented fully as described, they are all betas. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio exhibit; + film scanner info comparisons
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
Tony, Thanks. Polaroid should have put that fact in their docs or readmes. Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 8:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:28:16 -0600 Stan Schwartz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: What is odd is that when I open the image in Photoshop, I get this message: The document's embedded color profile does not match the current RGB Working space: Embedded: Adobe RGB (1998) Working: Adobe RGB (1998) Like I say, it's beta software and profile embedding is broken. Whatever it says, the embedded space is always sRGB in 8 bit output, none in 16bit output. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio exhibit; + film scanner info comparisons
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
Stan, Vuescan does embed the selected Adobe RGB profile but Insight 4.5 will not. Insight will only embed the monitor profile for 8 bit scans or a special scanner slide or negative profile for high bit scans( I do the latter). So, when an Insight scan arrives in Photoshop, it is embedded with a profile different from your chosen Adobe RGB and, therefore, it asks you if you want to convert. But, the next version of Insight(v5 coming soon)will supposedly be able to embed profiles. Bill Twieg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Schwartz Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. When I use VueScan with Adobe1998 selected, I don't get the "ask when color profile mismatch" box when opening the image in Photoshop. A second question is: is there a VueScan plugin for Photoshop so that it will appear on the File/Import scanner menu? Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok
Re: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. When I use VueScan with Adobe1998 selected, I don't get the "ask when color profile mismatch" box when opening the image in Photoshop. Are you using a mac? A friend with a SS4000 on a mac has this problem. His system should have been giving ColorMatch profile, but Insight declared it sRGB. I don't know how it was resolved, nor if it was an Insight problem or system problem (he had to do a number of system repairs); but it's something to check for. -- Bob Shomler http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
Here's what the Help file from Insight says: "Embedding Color Profiles With PolaColor Insight software, you can embed a color profile (information about the image color space) within your image file. Color profiles produce more accurate colors when files are printed or viewed with applications conforming with ICM standards. Adobe Photoshop software (version 5) is an example of such an application. Enable color profile embedding by clicking the Embed Color Profile box when choosing a filename for a scanned image. The profile embedded is the output profile, the same one used to create your image file. " This is version 4.5. I read that to mean it should be embedding the profile. Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B.Twieg Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? Stan, Vuescan does embed the selected Adobe RGB profile but Insight 4.5 will not. Insight will only embed the monitor profile for 8 bit scans or a special scanner slide or negative profile for high bit scans( I do the latter). So, when an Insight scan arrives in Photoshop, it is embedded with a profile different from your chosen Adobe RGB and, therefore, it asks you if you want to convert. But, the next version of Insight(v5 coming soon)will supposedly be able to embed profiles. Bill Twieg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Schwartz Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. When I use VueScan with Adobe1998 selected, I don't get the "ask when color profile mismatch" box when opening the image in Photoshop. A second question is: is there a VueScan plugin for Photoshop so that it will appear on the File/Import scanner menu? Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
Yes, it is supposed to embed these profiles for 8 bit scans, and in preferences it allows you to choose either the display profile or "other". Under "other" there is only a Kodak profile and an Epson 1200 profile(my printer). I once figured out how to add a custom version of Adobe RGB space, but it didn't work properly anyway. When the beta version of PCI 5 was briefly posted, I did try that and it was easy to embed profiles with it. With 12 bits per channel scans, PCI will embed either a color slide or color negative profile, and Photoshop will convert to my Adobe RGB space. I have been happy with that. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Schwartz Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? Here's what the Help file from Insight says: "Embedding Color Profiles With PolaColor Insight software, you can embed a color profile (information about the image color space) within your image file. Color profiles produce more accurate colors when files are printed or viewed with applications conforming with ICM standards. Adobe Photoshop software (version 5) is an example of such an application. Enable color profile embedding by clicking the Embed Color Profile box when choosing a filename for a scanned image. The profile embedded is the output profile, the same one used to create your image file. " This is version 4.5. I read that to mean it should be embedding the profile. Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of B.Twieg Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? Stan, Vuescan does embed the selected Adobe RGB profile but Insight 4.5 will not. Insight will only embed the monitor profile for 8 bit scans or a special scanner slide or negative profile for high bit scans( I do the latter). So, when an Insight scan arrives in Photoshop, it is embedded with a profile different from your chosen Adobe RGB and, therefore, it asks you if you want to convert. But, the next version of Insight(v5 coming soon)will supposedly be able to embed profiles. Bill Twieg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stan Schwartz Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2001 9:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. When I use VueScan with Adobe1998 selected, I don't get the "ask when color profile mismatch" box when opening the image in Photoshop. A second question is: is there a VueScan plugin for Photoshop so that it will appear on the File/Import scanner menu? Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
I am using a PC. Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bob Shomler Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. When I use VueScan with Adobe1998 selected, I don't get the "ask when color profile mismatch" box when opening the image in Photoshop. Are you using a mac? A friend with a SS4000 on a mac has this problem. His system should have been giving ColorMatch profile, but Insight declared it sRGB. I don't know how it was resolved, nor if it was an Insight problem or system problem (he had to do a number of system repairs); but it's something to check for. -- Bob Shomler http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm
RE: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
What is odd is that when I open the image in Photoshop, I get this message: The document's embedded color profile does not match the current RGB Working space: Embedded: Adobe RGB (1998) Working: Adobe RGB (1998) Version 4.5 of Insight Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ? On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:22:10 -0600 Stan Schwartz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. Which version? I think all the 4.5n versions around with CM stuff are betas, and currently have incomplete implementation of profile stuff. If you are producing 8 bit scans via Insight, they ignore any output profile setting and output sRGB regardless. If you produce 16bit, the output has been run against the internal scanner profile, but is untagged. Either way, PS will trigger a conversion to Adobe98 because of the mismatch. Regards Tony Sleep http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio exhibit; + film scanner info comparisons
filmscanners: SS4000 and Insight/Vuescan software ?
When I use the SS4000 with the Insight software and I use the Adobe1998 setting in Insight, Photoshop still asks me if I want to convert the image to Adobe 1998. When I use VueScan with Adobe1998 selected, I don't get the "ask when color profile mismatch" box when opening the image in Photoshop. A second question is: is there a VueScan plugin for Photoshop so that it will appear on the File/Import scanner menu? Stan Schwartz http://home.swbell.net/snsok
