Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF - Important addition
Hi Mike, An update: In FinWin2004a I replaced Maestro with Petrucci, had only the PS version of Petrucci anywhere on my system, selected the latest Adobe Generic Printer driver, and exported EPS without preview or fonts. GSview 4.3 still complains a few times about bounding box dimensions and page numbers before opening the files but they look fine when it finally does. My publisher is on a Mac and has all of the fonts installed. She could open the files and everything worked perfectly. It seems clear that the problem with Fin2004 and EPS is in the Maestro font. Can you send me the version of Maestro that you made by opening and saving it in Fontlab? Thanks. Richard Mike Cholewa wrote: Hi Richard Now you should have a chance of making an pdf file that your publisher can read (with the fonts included). Mike Cholewa -Original Message- From: Richard Yates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 5:02 AM To: Mike Cholewa Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF - Important addition Hi Mike, I have made a little progress. I made a file that has only ps fonts in it (November is the music font, Garamand is the rest). An EPS (without fonts) export of a section opens okay in Photoshop Elements and in GSView4.3. You are right that GSView reads the ps fonts from the c\psfonts folder and Photoshop reads them from the c\windows\fonts folder. I don't have any way to test the ps file on another machine or a ps printer, though. The inability to include the fonts in the file is a real limitation. I still cannot send ps files to my publisher (who is on a Mac anyway) and has not paid the bucks for November and has only the Maestro font. Richard ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF - Final fix for eps export in WinXP (?)
Your suggestion is fine. But the reason why eps don't work in winxp is a font problem! After Kurt Gnos last respond I was curious why my fix didn't work for him and it worked for me. I tried with my normal music font (Susato) and all was fine, then with some Finale fonts (Maestro, Petrucci) and the fonts wouldn't embed. I remembered I once had to do a little adjustment to this font when I switched to WinXP. And now to the font fix: Open a music font in Fontlab and save it. That's all. No changes, nothing more. That will fix the eps export problem for Finale in WinXp! This is tested with Postscript type 1 font. Mike Cholewa PS. If anybody would like to try this just send a mail. I have 1mb zip file with Finale type 1 fonts that should work in WinXp. PPS. With this font fix you don't even have to use my Illustrator fix! Eps export works as it should. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Yates Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 4:23 AM To: 'Finale list' Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF I have no use for EPS but found just now that this works: Save the page as pdf using Distiller. Open in Acrobat. Crop to the selection that you want in Acrobat. Export as EPS. This seems to import okay into Word, but I cannot test printout as I have no ps printer. Also, a disadvantage is that cropping in Acrobat does not change (reduce) the file size. Richard Yates Kurt Gnos wrote: Thanks Mike, I remembered this (and found the old e-mail) - but: Still won't work for me, and I tried, yes I tried. I tried three different PS drivers (including adobe generic), different settings, different fonts, but a) when I embed them in Finale, nothing works b) without embedding, the file works, but without noteheads; in Illustrator I can exchange fonts, but the notehead fonts won't show up in Maestro. BUT I have found a working, if somewhat tedius workaround: In Finale, instead of exporting via graphics tool (which would be a LOT easier) I change page size (as some decades ago) until I have the snippet I would like to export on this page. Than I print it to acrobat 6 In Acrobat 6 I export it as EPS (you can even include a preview by changing the export settings) And - seems to work (knock on wood). Also meens, instead of 30 seconds I will need some minutes, but anyway, better than nothing. and yes, you will have to get acrobat for the workaround... Tell me if you find something better; at the moment I am happy to have found some kind of temporal solution cheers Kurt At 20:06 29.09.2003 +0200, Mike Cholewa wrote: Here is my workaround that I used in a newly finished project that included eps graphic exported from Finale 2003 in WinXP. I had to deliver the final result in pdf. Besides Finwin 2003a I used Illustrator 10, Acrobat 6 and Postscript fonts only, no use of ATM. I have posted this earlier on the list and checked that the same things apply to Finale 2004: The following is a description of a successful use of eps in WinXP. (This was posted earlier on the Finale Forza-talk list.) It's a known fact that eps export doesn't work as it should in the Finale-WinXp combination. However I have found a way which makes this work - although there is a little glitch. After exporting the eps graphic from Finale (do not include fonts and preview) import this file in Illustrator (Adobe) and save it as an Illustrator eps file (version 3.0/3.2). This will include fonts for further Acrobat handling. The glitch is that I have found that a few chord symbols are badly aligned. But this is easily fixed in Illustrator. Mike Cholewa Btw. MakeMusic states that Import and export of EPS files supported under Windows 98, NT 4.0 and ME only. See the Finale 2004 Upgrade Brochure (http://downloads.makemusic.com/dealers/finale/f2k4upgrade-mailer.pdf) page 19. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Gnos Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:23 PM To: Finale list Subject: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This also happened when I tried to print a file on my PS printer. And, funny, after I deinstalled the maestro PS font (using Adobe Type Manager), the fonts where there. Anyway Finale seems not to be able to embed fonts correctly, Ghostscript for example shows lots of bugs and cannot even open a Finale EPS file with embedded fonts. So I thought about PDF. It's less confortable, but I can change the page size in Finale until I only have the part I want
Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF - Final fix for eps export in WinXP (?)
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 03:24 AM, Mike Cholewa wrote: Open a music font in Fontlab and save it. That's all. [snip] PS. If anybody would like to try this just send a mail. I have 1mb zip file with Finale type 1 fonts that should work in WinXp. Mike sent me this file, but it still didn't work for me. I'm guessing that it may have something to do with my PostScript driver. I have the Adobe Generic Postscript driver installed, and when I either export EPS or compile postscript listing I can't view the output in GSView properly. Maybe I'm just using too much free stuff? :) - Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF
Richard, works for me, too, more or less. First, its somewhat faster to crop the thing in Acrobat instead of Finale, anyway, more intuitive. Funny my print results from QuarkXpress: The file without preview printet fine on my HP 2100M PS printer The file including preview got not printed - error (offending command) However exporting PDF showed both EPS fine, so you can always export as PDF and print the PDF afterwards. Since I need the PDF anyway this is a working workaround for me. That does not mean I would not be happier if everything woked as it should...;-) Kurt At 19:23 29.09.2003 -0700, Richard Yates wrote: I have no use for EPS but found just now that this works: Save the page as pdf using Distiller. Open in Acrobat. Crop to the selection that you want in Acrobat. Export as EPS. This seems to import okay into Word, but I cannot test printout as I have no ps printer. Also, a disadvantage is that cropping in Acrobat does not change (reduce) the file size. Richard Yates Kurt Gnos wrote: Thanks Mike, I remembered this (and found the old e-mail) - but: Still won't work for me, and I tried, yes I tried. I tried three different PS drivers (including adobe generic), different settings, different fonts, but a) when I embed them in Finale, nothing works b) without embedding, the file works, but without noteheads; in Illustrator I can exchange fonts, but the notehead fonts won't show up in Maestro. BUT I have found a working, if somewhat tedius workaround: In Finale, instead of exporting via graphics tool (which would be a LOT easier) I change page size (as some decades ago) until I have the snippet I would like to export on this page. Than I print it to acrobat 6 In Acrobat 6 I export it as EPS (you can even include a preview by changing the export settings) And - seems to work (knock on wood). Also meens, instead of 30 seconds I will need some minutes, but anyway, better than nothing. and yes, you will have to get acrobat for the workaround... Tell me if you find something better; at the moment I am happy to have found some kind of temporal solution cheers Kurt At 20:06 29.09.2003 +0200, Mike Cholewa wrote: Here is my workaround that I used in a newly finished project that included eps graphic exported from Finale 2003 in WinXP. I had to deliver the final result in pdf. Besides Finwin 2003a I used Illustrator 10, Acrobat 6 and Postscript fonts only, no use of ATM. I have posted this earlier on the list and checked that the same things apply to Finale 2004: The following is a description of a successful use of eps in WinXP. (This was posted earlier on the Finale Forza-talk list.) It's a known fact that eps export doesn't work as it should in the Finale-WinXp combination. However I have found a way which makes this work - although there is a little glitch. After exporting the eps graphic from Finale (do not include fonts and preview) import this file in Illustrator (Adobe) and save it as an Illustrator eps file (version 3.0/3.2). This will include fonts for further Acrobat handling. The glitch is that I have found that a few chord symbols are badly aligned. But this is easily fixed in Illustrator. Mike Cholewa Btw. MakeMusic states that Import and export of EPS files supported under Windows 98, NT 4.0 and ME only. See the Finale 2004 Upgrade Brochure (http://downloads.makemusic.com/dealers/finale/f2k4upgrade-mailer.pdf) page 19. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Gnos Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:23 PM To: Finale list Subject: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This also happened when I tried to print a file on my PS printer. And, funny, after I deinstalled the maestro PS font (using Adobe Type Manager), the fonts where there. Anyway Finale seems not to be able to embed fonts correctly, Ghostscript for example shows lots of bugs and cannot even open a Finale EPS file with embedded fonts. So I thought about PDF. It's less confortable, but I can change the page size in Finale until I only have the part I want to export on my page and save this page as PDF. I also can Import the file into QuarkXpress (Version 6, also acrobat pro 6). However the file looks quite ugly on screen, but this may be a problem of my not being very experienced in Quark Xpress. HOWEVER, when I now printed the Quark Xpress File - the noteheads had vanished again. So this is serious and very annoying - is there no way to get a scalable vector output out of Finale, even with lots of workarounds? Or is there? Kurt -- |\\ |// /|Kurt Gnos
RE: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF - Final fix for eps export in WinXP(?)
A little report: I have now successfully converted a Finale2004 eps file into a pdf using GSview (Gostscript 8.11 and Gsview 4.42beta). I had a couple error messages about the bounding box, but I didn't find any differences in accepting or ignoring these messages. I must say that now all the graphic eps exports from Finale (on my computer) work with Word, the Adobe line of products (Acrobat, Illustrator, Indesign, and PageMaker), and GSview. I do not include preview and (definitely not fonts!) in Finale. I have as said used GSview and when I open this pdf in Acrobat the fonts are properly displayed and embedded. I have experimented on using different postscript drivers when generating eps graphic such as Adobe generic postscript driver, the driver for my Brother Postscript printer, and even Acrobat distiller (not printing to it but using it as postscript driver in the Finale printer setup). This didn't make any difference. All my postscript fonts are installed in the \WINDOWS\Fonts folder. As I recall I formerly have had problems with eps export in WinXP. Especially Acrobat 5 rejected the eps files (offending commands/lines). With Acrobat 6 this is not the case. :-) The font embedment which doesn't work with the fonts distributed with Finale is solved (on my computer) with the new fonts I have generated. (I have always suspected the postscript implementation in WinXP for screwing this up and in case of the Susato music font I had to generate a new version as the spacing/kerning of some characters didn't work properly in WinXP.) Any kind of feedback on this issue is welcome. Mike Cholewa I have 1mb zip file with Finale type 1 fonts that should work in WinXp. Mike sent me this file, but it still didn't work for me. I'm guessing that it may have something to do with my PostScript driver. I have the Adobe Generic Postscript driver installed, and when I either export EPS or compile postscript listing I can't view the output in GSView properly. Maybe I'm just using too much free stuff? :) - Brad Beyenhof ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF
Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This also happened when I tried to print a file on my PS printer. And, funny, after I deinstalled the maestro PS font (using Adobe Type Manager), the fonts where there. Anyway Finale seems not to be able to embed fonts correctly, Ghostscript for example shows lots of bugs and cannot even open a Finale EPS file with embedded fonts. So I thought about PDF. It's less confortable, but I can change the page size in Finale until I only have the part I want to export on my page and save this page as PDF. I also can Import the file into QuarkXpress (Version 6, also acrobat pro 6). However the file looks quite ugly on screen, but this may be a problem of my not being very experienced in Quark Xpress. HOWEVER, when I now printed the Quark Xpress File - the noteheads had vanished again. So this is serious and very annoying - is there no way to get a scalable vector output out of Finale, even with lots of workarounds? Or is there? Kurt -- |\\ |// /|Kurt Gnos Tel. /Fax +41 41 320 67 41 / |_ Hackenrainstr. 6 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( (| \\ CH-6010 Kriens \_|_// Switzerland |http://www.gnos.org \\/ ICQ 16526151 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF
Here is my workaround that I used in a newly finished project that included eps graphic exported from Finale 2003 in WinXP. I had to deliver the final result in pdf. Besides Finwin 2003a I used Illustrator 10, Acrobat 6 and Postscript fonts only, no use of ATM. I have posted this earlier on the list and checked that the same things apply to Finale 2004: The following is a description of a successful use of eps in WinXP. (This was posted earlier on the Finale Forza-talk list.) It's a known fact that eps export doesn't work as it should in the Finale-WinXp combination. However I have found a way which makes this work - although there is a little glitch. After exporting the eps graphic from Finale (do not include fonts and preview) import this file in Illustrator (Adobe) and save it as an Illustrator eps file (version 3.0/3.2). This will include fonts for further Acrobat handling. The glitch is that I have found that a few chord symbols are badly aligned. But this is easily fixed in Illustrator. Mike Cholewa Btw. MakeMusic states that Import and export of EPS files supported under Windows 98, NT 4.0 and ME only. See the Finale 2004 Upgrade Brochure (http://downloads.makemusic.com/dealers/finale/f2k4upgrade-mailer.pdf) page 19. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Gnos Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:23 PM To: Finale list Subject: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This also happened when I tried to print a file on my PS printer. And, funny, after I deinstalled the maestro PS font (using Adobe Type Manager), the fonts where there. Anyway Finale seems not to be able to embed fonts correctly, Ghostscript for example shows lots of bugs and cannot even open a Finale EPS file with embedded fonts. So I thought about PDF. It's less confortable, but I can change the page size in Finale until I only have the part I want to export on my page and save this page as PDF. I also can Import the file into QuarkXpress (Version 6, also acrobat pro 6). However the file looks quite ugly on screen, but this may be a problem of my not being very experienced in Quark Xpress. HOWEVER, when I now printed the Quark Xpress File - the noteheads had vanished again. So this is serious and very annoying - is there no way to get a scalable vector output out of Finale, even with lots of workarounds? Or is there? Kurt -- |\\ |// /|Kurt Gnos Tel. /Fax +41 41 320 67 41 / |_ Hackenrainstr. 6 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( (| \\ CH-6010 Kriens \_|_// Switzerland |http://www.gnos.org \\/ ICQ 16526151 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF
Thanks Mike, I remembered this (and found the old e-mail) - but: Still won't work for me, and I tried, yes I tried. I tried three different PS drivers (including adobe generic), different settings, different fonts, but a) when I embed them in Finale, nothing works b) without embedding, the file works, but without noteheads; in Illustrator I can exchange fonts, but the notehead fonts won't show up in Maestro. BUT I have found a working, if somewhat tedius workaround: In Finale, instead of exporting via graphics tool (which would be a LOT easier) I change page size (as some decades ago) until I have the snippet I would like to export on this page. Than I print it to acrobat 6 In Acrobat 6 I export it as EPS (you can even include a preview by changing the export settings) And - seems to work (knock on wood). Also meens, instead of 30 seconds I will need some minutes, but anyway, better than nothing. and yes, you will have to get acrobat for the workaround... Tell me if you find something better; at the moment I am happy to have found some kind of temporal solution cheers Kurt At 20:06 29.09.2003 +0200, Mike Cholewa wrote: Here is my workaround that I used in a newly finished project that included eps graphic exported from Finale 2003 in WinXP. I had to deliver the final result in pdf. Besides Finwin 2003a I used Illustrator 10, Acrobat 6 and Postscript fonts only, no use of ATM. I have posted this earlier on the list and checked that the same things apply to Finale 2004: The following is a description of a successful use of eps in WinXP. (This was posted earlier on the Finale Forza-talk list.) It's a known fact that eps export doesn't work as it should in the Finale-WinXp combination. However I have found a way which makes this work - although there is a little glitch. After exporting the eps graphic from Finale (do not include fonts and preview) import this file in Illustrator (Adobe) and save it as an Illustrator eps file (version 3.0/3.2). This will include fonts for further Acrobat handling. The glitch is that I have found that a few chord symbols are badly aligned. But this is easily fixed in Illustrator. Mike Cholewa Btw. MakeMusic states that Import and export of EPS files supported under Windows 98, NT 4.0 and ME only. See the Finale 2004 Upgrade Brochure (http://downloads.makemusic.com/dealers/finale/f2k4upgrade-mailer.pdf) page 19. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Gnos Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:23 PM To: Finale list Subject: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This also happened when I tried to print a file on my PS printer. And, funny, after I deinstalled the maestro PS font (using Adobe Type Manager), the fonts where there. Anyway Finale seems not to be able to embed fonts correctly, Ghostscript for example shows lots of bugs and cannot even open a Finale EPS file with embedded fonts. So I thought about PDF. It's less confortable, but I can change the page size in Finale until I only have the part I want to export on my page and save this page as PDF. I also can Import the file into QuarkXpress (Version 6, also acrobat pro 6). However the file looks quite ugly on screen, but this may be a problem of my not being very experienced in Quark Xpress. HOWEVER, when I now printed the Quark Xpress File - the noteheads had vanished again. So this is serious and very annoying - is there no way to get a scalable vector output out of Finale, even with lots of workarounds? Or is there? Kurt -- |\\ |// /|Kurt Gnos Tel. /Fax +41 41 320 67 41 / |_ Hackenrainstr. 6 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( (| \\ CH-6010 Kriens \_|_// Switzerland |http://www.gnos.org \\/ ICQ 16526151 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF
I have no use for EPS but found just now that this works: Save the page as pdf using Distiller. Open in Acrobat. Crop to the selection that you want in Acrobat. Export as EPS. This seems to import okay into Word, but I cannot test printout as I have no ps printer. Also, a disadvantage is that cropping in Acrobat does not change (reduce) the file size. Richard Yates Kurt Gnos wrote: Thanks Mike, I remembered this (and found the old e-mail) - but: Still won't work for me, and I tried, yes I tried. I tried three different PS drivers (including adobe generic), different settings, different fonts, but a) when I embed them in Finale, nothing works b) without embedding, the file works, but without noteheads; in Illustrator I can exchange fonts, but the notehead fonts won't show up in Maestro. BUT I have found a working, if somewhat tedius workaround: In Finale, instead of exporting via graphics tool (which would be a LOT easier) I change page size (as some decades ago) until I have the snippet I would like to export on this page. Than I print it to acrobat 6 In Acrobat 6 I export it as EPS (you can even include a preview by changing the export settings) And - seems to work (knock on wood). Also meens, instead of 30 seconds I will need some minutes, but anyway, better than nothing. and yes, you will have to get acrobat for the workaround... Tell me if you find something better; at the moment I am happy to have found some kind of temporal solution cheers Kurt At 20:06 29.09.2003 +0200, Mike Cholewa wrote: Here is my workaround that I used in a newly finished project that included eps graphic exported from Finale 2003 in WinXP. I had to deliver the final result in pdf. Besides Finwin 2003a I used Illustrator 10, Acrobat 6 and Postscript fonts only, no use of ATM. I have posted this earlier on the list and checked that the same things apply to Finale 2004: The following is a description of a successful use of eps in WinXP. (This was posted earlier on the Finale Forza-talk list.) It's a known fact that eps export doesn't work as it should in the Finale-WinXp combination. However I have found a way which makes this work - although there is a little glitch. After exporting the eps graphic from Finale (do not include fonts and preview) import this file in Illustrator (Adobe) and save it as an Illustrator eps file (version 3.0/3.2). This will include fonts for further Acrobat handling. The glitch is that I have found that a few chord symbols are badly aligned. But this is easily fixed in Illustrator. Mike Cholewa Btw. MakeMusic states that Import and export of EPS files supported under Windows 98, NT 4.0 and ME only. See the Finale 2004 Upgrade Brochure (http://downloads.makemusic.com/dealers/finale/f2k4upgrade-mailer.pdf) page 19. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Gnos Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:23 PM To: Finale list Subject: [Finale] Finale, EPS and PDF Yesterday I tried again to get Finale 2004 (WinXP) to produce EPS or PDF files to import in Quark XPress. I don't want to use pixel formats (TIFF), because I want the output scalable. First I tried EPS, using different settings and PS drivers. I only got stems without noteheads, keys etc. This also happened when I tried to print a file on my PS printer. And, funny, after I deinstalled the maestro PS font (using Adobe Type Manager), the fonts where there. Anyway Finale seems not to be able to embed fonts correctly, Ghostscript for example shows lots of bugs and cannot even open a Finale EPS file with embedded fonts. So I thought about PDF. It's less confortable, but I can change the page size in Finale until I only have the part I want to export on my page and save this page as PDF. I also can Import the file into QuarkXpress (Version 6, also acrobat pro 6). However the file looks quite ugly on screen, but this may be a problem of my not being very experienced in Quark Xpress. HOWEVER, when I now printed the Quark Xpress File - the noteheads had vanished again. So this is serious and very annoying - is there no way to get a scalable vector output out of Finale, even with lots of workarounds? Or is there? Kurt -- |\\ |// /|Kurt Gnos Tel. /Fax +41 41 320 67 41 / |_ Hackenrainstr. 6 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( (| \\ CH-6010 Kriens \_|_// Switzerland |http://www.gnos.org \\/ ICQ 16526151 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu