Re: [Finale] Staff name display
Mark D. Lew wrote: [snip] In piano-vocal scores for opera or musical theater, it is common style to let the characters share a staff during passages where two or more characters alternate short lines. As an extreme example, consider the first scene in _The Music Man_, with the salesmen on the train. That piece would be bloated out of control if each voice were kept on a separate staff. [snip] This example is a great one to keep in mind for another reason -- keeping all the voices on a single staff and extracting that single staff as is gives all the singers a great set of ready-made cues, and such an interwoven pattersong as the opening of Music Man would be impossible to learn if singers couldn't see the entire conversation that occurs and keep the whole thing straight in their minds. It would take many more hours of rehearsal for them to work out the intricacies which are readily apparent if all their parts are on a single staff. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
At 4:32 PM 11/25/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: [answering Éric Dussault] >>Of course staff styles work great in such situations. But >>Christopher, if Linda is working on a score and wants later to >>extract parts, your method of entering many instruments/singers on >>the same staff with staff styles promises to be a nightmare when >>extracting parts. Ok for the staff styles, but keep one staff per >>extracted parts if you don't want to get into trouble. [Christopher:] >I assume that individual singers' staves won't be extracted - they >will probably stay on the same part. Actually, for this scenario, I >would assign different staves to each singer and optimise out the >empty ones, but there may be some other reason why this is >impractical. In piano-vocal scores for opera or musical theater, it is common style to let the characters share a staff during passages where two or more characters alternate short lines. As an extreme example, consider the first scene in _The Music Man_, with the salesmen on the train. That piece would be bloated out of control if each voice were kept on a separate staff. I understand your concerns about extracting parts, but it seems to me that keeping the voices exclusively on separate staves is letting the software dictate typography, which I don't think is really acceptable here. There are many instances where characters sharing a staff greatly improves the layout, and those opportunities shouldn't be sworn off just for the sake of satisfying Finale's one-staff-equals-one-voice structure -- especially if there are no plans for part extraction or MIDI playback anyway. One technique I've sometimes used, which lets you have it both ways, is to keep the characters on separate staves but position the staves to overwrite each other exactly in Page View. This can require hiding rests and adding superfluous clef changes, but that's not as onerous as it may seem at first, and in many cases it's worth the extra effort. (And of course you still need a Staff Style if you're using staff labels.) mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
At 10:29 AM 11/25/02, Jari Williamsson wrote: >Apply a Staff Style for the region which hides the staff name. Better yet, define the Staff Style to have a staff label that includes the abbreviations for both characters. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
At 8:18 AM -0500 11/25/02, Éric Dussault wrote: Le lundi, 25 nov 2002, à 07:57 America/Montreal, Christopher BJ Smith a écrit If you really and truly want NO staff name, then make a staff style that has the staff name hidden, and apply it to all appropriate measures in the staff. Very easy. Christopher Of course staff styles work great in such situations. But Christopher, if Linda is working on a score and wants later to extract parts, your method of entering many instruments/singers on the same staff with staff styles promises to be a nightmare when extracting parts. Ok for the staff styles, but keep one staff per extracted parts if you don't want to get into trouble. Eric I assume that individual singers' staves won't be extracted - they will probably stay on the same part. Actually, for this scenario, I would assign different staves to each singer and optimise out the empty ones, but there may be some other reason why this is impractical. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
Le lundi, 25 nov 2002, à 07:57 America/Montreal, Christopher BJ Smith a écrit :
At 1:54 AM -0500 11/25/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? I'm working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's staff for another singer's part.
Linda Cummings
Allegro Music Services
I suspect that you want to hide a staff name ("george", say) so that you can manipulate a text expression into place to name the staff differently (say, to "Lisa"). Don't do it that way. Use a staff style, where only the full name and the abbreviated name of the staff are different, and apply it to any part of the staff where Lisa is singing. The advantages of this are many. You will never have to optimise it, and if the layout ever changes, you won't have to tweak the positioning of the text expression (which tends to move around when layout changes.) It is also dead easy, and it is a "set it and forget it" type edit, meaning you never have to think about it again once you have done it.
All the other solutions proposed are kludges that we had to use before we had the marvelous Staff Styles available.
If you really and truly want NO staff name, then make a staff style that has the staff name hidden, and apply it to all appropriate measures in the staff. Very easy.
Christopher
Of course staff styles work great in such situations. But Christopher, if Linda is working on a score and wants later to extract parts, your method of entering many instruments/singers on the same staff with staff styles promises to be a nightmare when extracting parts. Ok for the staff styles, but keep one staff per extracted parts if you don't want to get into trouble.
Eric
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
Title: Re: [Finale] Staff name
display
At 1:54 AM -0500 11/25/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a
way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? I'm
working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's
staff for another singer's part.
Linda Cummings
Allegro Music Services
I suspect that you want to hide a staff name ("george",
say) so that you can manipulate a text expression into place to name
the staff differently (say, to "Lisa"). Don't do it that
way. Use a staff style, where only the full name and the abbreviated
name of the staff are different, and apply it to any part of the staff
where Lisa is singing. The advantages of this are many. You will never
have to optimise it, and if the layout ever changes, you won't have to
tweak the positioning of the text expression (which tends to move
around when layout changes.) It is also dead easy, and it is a
"set it and forget it" type edit, meaning you never have to
think about it again once you have done it.
All the other solutions proposed are kludges that we had to use
before we had the marvelous Staff Styles available.
If you really and truly want NO staff name, then make a staff
style that has the staff name hidden, and apply it to all appropriate
measures in the staff. Very easy.
Christopher
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
David H. Bailey writes: > I believe, in addition to the staff styles to apply once page layout has > been set properly, that you can optimize the score without actually > removing any empty staves, if you wish. After you do that I believe > each staff name in each system is editable independently of all the > other systems in the score. No, that's group names. Staff names are manipulated globally by the staff attributes or overridden localy by staff styles. Group names are manipulated globally in the non-optimized document and locally by optimized systems. However, group names can be created on an one-staff-only group to "fake" a staff name (and that way, the method David describes above can be used). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
I believe, in addition to the staff styles to apply once page layout has been set properly, that you can optimize the score without actually removing any empty staves, if you wish. After you do that I believe each staff name in each system is editable independently of all the other systems in the score. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? I'm working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's staff for another singer's part. Linda Cummings Allegro Music Services -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
> Is there a way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? > I'm working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's staff > for another singer's part. Apply a Staff Style for the region which hides the staff name. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
Title: Re: [Finale] Staff name display Hi, In the first place I would give each singer his/her own staff and optimize the systems in the layout (which your composer more or less did in his manuscript ...) But then again you could define also less staves and use f.e. expressions to indicate which voice has to sing, just copying the way the composer did it in his writing. On a measure to measure basis you can use a staff style for not showing the name, but you have to keep that particular measure as the first one of that particular page, of course, so apply the staff style only after all spacing and lay-out has been done. If you alter something in the staff attributes (easily by right-clicking the name-handle) it will be global, which is propably not what you’re looking for. Good luck, Klaas de Jong. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:54:17 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Finale] Staff name display Is there a way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? I'm working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's staff for another singer's part. Linda Cummings Allegro Music Services
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
Title: Re: [Finale] Staff name display Do you mean on selected systems throughout the score or only on some pages? (i.e. measure 22-35...) The first thing is possible by turning the staff name off, by double clicking the staff with the staff tool, and deleting or uncheckin the 'display staff name' check box (it should be called something like that, as I have the german version of Finale, I don't know the exact name of it). Regards Nico --- Nico Schliemann Gitarre & Notensatz Auf dem Rain 5 78224 Singen Tel.: 07731-947437 Mobil: 0162-9427344 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- -- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: [Finale] Staff name display Datum: Mon, 25. Nov 2002 7:54 Uhr Is there a way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? I'm working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's staff for another singer's part. Linda Cummings Allegro Music Services
