Re: [Finale] Shifting notes around...?
on 9/17/04 7:37 PM, Harold Owen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> on 9/17/04 6:49 PM, Bill Spencer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >>> Hi there: For reasons I won't bore you with, I have one line of a >>> multi-line >>> score where everything is shifted to the left by two quarter-notes. Is >>> there >>> a way to insert those two quarters at the very beginning and realign it >>> all? >>> The help stuff doesn't offer much of any help. I am poor and cheap enough >>> to >>> be using FinMac2000c on OS9.1, FYI. >> >> This could be done using Mass Mover and Select Partial measures. Highlight >> the affected area you want to move, and then option-click 2 beats earlier. >> I've done similar edits as this all the time. Note, the selected area's last >> 2 beats will be in need of edit. >> > > They way I do it is to insert rests (or notes) then when the "too > much music" dialog comes up, I choose "Keep moving" It's quick > and easy. Ya know, Hal is right. But I've tried this as well, and while it does work, and it is quick and easy, I've had files that something had gone very wrong further on down in the measures that cost me countless hours of editing since I didn't notice it until much later. It could have been operator error, but I could never track it. And this hasn't been an isolated incident with only one file. That option is the 'too many beats' dialog box makes me nervous. That being said, the same could happen even when you use my suggestion. Be careful out there. BTW, speaking of the 'too many beats' dialog box, how many other users out there truly miss the Cancel button in this dialog. I curse Finale virtually every day on this one. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Shifting notes around...?
I trust the "Keep moving ..." option much more more than any thing involving "partial measures," although the latter seem to be considerably improved in 2004 and 2005. Selecting "Partial Measures" was a sure bet to unknowingly mess up the end of your score a few versions back. This question came from a user with 2000c, so I would not suggest partial measures at all. I use "Keep moving ... " often and have no problems. Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra JD wrote: on 9/17/04 7:37 PM, Harold Owen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/17/04 6:49 PM, Bill Spencer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there: For reasons I won't bore you with, I have one line of a multi-line score where everything is shifted to the left by two quarter-notes. Is there a way to insert those two quarters at the very beginning and realign it all? The help stuff doesn't offer much of any help. I am poor and cheap enough to be using FinMac2000c on OS9.1, FYI. This could be done using Mass Mover and Select Partial measures. Highlight the affected area you want to move, and then option-click 2 beats earlier. I've done similar edits as this all the time. Note, the selected area's last 2 beats will be in need of edit. They way I do it is to insert rests (or notes) then when the "too much music" dialog comes up, I choose "Keep moving" It's quick and easy. Ya know, Hal is right. But I've tried this as well, and while it does work, and it is quick and easy, I've had files that something had gone very wrong further on down in the measures that cost me countless hours of editing since I didn't notice it until much later. It could have been operator error, but I could never track it. And this hasn't been an isolated incident with only one file. That option is the 'too many beats' dialog box makes me nervous. That being said, the same could happen even when you use my suggestion. Be careful out there. BTW, speaking of the 'too many beats' dialog box, how many other users out there truly miss the Cancel button in this dialog. I curse Finale virtually every day on this one. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] ties
Hi All: How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature changes. I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is "tie end". I can't get it to work with a key change. I am using FinMac 2005 with OS 10. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] default barline
Hi All: In FinMac 2005 I cannot get left barlines to default to previous barline. I have it set correctly in document options. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ties
Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature changes. I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is "tie end". I can't get it to work with a key change. I am using FinMac 2005 with OS 10. What happens if you work on those notes in scroll view, with a tie between the final note of the previous system and the note in question? Seems to me it should tie just fine across systems. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ties
Is this in a repeat? I tried it and it looks like it is there, but it doesn't display on the screen. Does it print? I'll try it when I get to the studio in a little while... Hi All: How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature changes. I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is "tie end". I can't get it to work with a key change. I am using FinMac 2005 with OS 10. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ties
Bob, There may be a way to do this that someone else knows, but I have not had success using the tie tool when something like a key change gets in the way. Instead, when the tie tool does not work for a backwards tie end, I simply draw one with the slur tool. It's not the most elegant solution but, if you draw carefully, you cannot tell much difference. One other possibility: you may have too small a setting for Document Options/Ties - system break start. If this is too small, the tie end will not extend far enough backwards over the preceding bar line. I use at least a -48 setting here. Chuck On Sep 18, 2004, at 9:44 AM, Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature changes. I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is "tie end". I can't get it to work with a key change. I am using FinMac 2005 with OS 10. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ties
I believe you found a bug. I just tried putting a tie end in a bar with a key change. It shows up using speedy entry, but does not print nor display. Perhaps this needs to be sent to Finale Support, as it appears in the Windows and Macintosh versions of Finale 2005. Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature changes. I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is "tie end". I can't get it to work with a key change. I am using FinMac 2005 with OS 10. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ties
In a message dated 9/18/04 2:20:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe you found a bug. I just tried putting a tie end in a bar with a key change. It shows up using speedy entry, but does not print nor display. Perhaps this needs to be sent to Finale Support, as it appears in the Windows and Macintosh versions of Finale 2005. This problem dates back top at least Finale 2003. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] default barline
Hi Bob, You have to go to the measure tool, select all measures in the document (command A) and then double click on the staff with all measures selected (you can also go to the measure drop down menu and select edit measure attributes). Make sure that in the window that comes up left barline is set to default. You should make sure that your template is set this way too. I think for some reason in your template the left barline setting is set to normal. Hope this helps and that you are having a good weekend! Best, Karen Hi All: In FinMac 2005 I cannot get left barlines to default to previous barline. I have it set correctly in document options. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Printer question
Title: OT: Printer question Hello all -- I’ve read some of the printer discussions in the past, and thought I might run this question by you all. Does anyone have/what do you think of the HP Deskjet 9650? I’m looking for a printer that gives as close to laser-quality output as possible (but I by no means do anything that requires archival-quality or publishable stuff) and will print on large-size paper (at least 11x17, although the 9650 brochure says it goes up to 13x19). At the same time, this printer is for use in our home, and my wife and I would like to be able to print out digital photos on it as well. The HP Deskjet 9650 seems to fulfill both of those needs, and I usually see it on sale for $250 or $300 at the local OfficeMax or Staples. Are there any alarms I should know about, for those of you who have used it? Does anyone have a better product in mind in a similar price range ($350 at the absolute upper-most limit)? Thanks in advance for anyone’s suggestions. -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] default barline
Hi Bob, You have to go to the measure tool, select all measures in the document (command A) and then double click on the staff with all measures selected (you can also go to the measure drop down menu and select edit measure attributes). Make sure that in the window that comes up left barline is set to default. You should make sure that your template is set this way too. I think for some reason in your template the left barline setting is set to normal. Hope this helps and that you are having a good weekend! Best, Karen Hi Karen: I did what you suggested and I thought I crashed. I didn't realize that it took time to get this done. It works. Thanks: BF Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Public Domain Music
On Sep 17, 2004, at 3:00 PM, John Howell wrote: I wonder how hard it would have been to win a court case based on English common-law traditions. I do know that the Library of Congress has a very interesting list of publications that DID lose their copyright protection instrantly and permanently because they were published without the copyright notice required by the 1909 law. One of those publications was the 1928 edition of the Oxford Book of Carols. Common-law copyright was admittedly mostly of value for unpublished works, but the protection it offered was very real. Under the 1909 law, a work was not statutorily protected unless it not only bore a properly formulated copyright notice, but had been formally registered with the Library of Congress. Composers, especially young ones, being as impecunious as they are, the required fee presented a real disincentive to register, and beginners were routinely advised that they need not do so as long as all MS copies remained under their control and were clearly labeled as to their ownership. The common-law basis of this was that the physical MS was the composer's property, just like a chair or a table, and copying from the MS w.o permission constituted a form of theft--rather like joyriding in someone's car. For the absolute top level of protection in this form, one was advised to mail a copy of the piece to oneself, leaving the envelope unopened upon its arrival; the postmark would constitute proof positive that the work was in your possession on that date, and anyone claiming later ownership would have no case. When the 1978 law did away with common-law copyright protection, the principle that a work need not be registered in order to be protected was incorporated into the new statute. I was thinking last night that under the old common-law protections, a song need not even have an author credit under certain circumstances: "This song was made By Billy Gashade As soon as the news did arrive. He said there was no man With the law in his hand Who could take Jesse James when alive." Pretty clear evidence of both authorship and date of composition, I'd say! Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Printer question
Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hello all -- I’ve read some of the printer discussions in the past, and thought I might run this question by you all. Does anyone have/what do you think of the HP Deskjet 9650? I’m looking for a printer that gives as close to laser-quality output as possible (but I by no means do anything that requires archival-quality or publishable stuff) and will print on large-size paper (at least 11x17, although the 9650 brochure says it goes up to 13x19). At the same time, this printer is for use in our home, and my wife and I would like to be able to print out digital photos on it as well. The HP Deskjet 9650 seems to fulfill both of those needs, and I usually see it on sale for $250 or $300 at the local OfficeMax or Staples. Are there any alarms I should know about, for those of you who have used it? Does anyone have a better product in mind in a similar price range ($350 at the absolute upper-most limit)? Thanks in advance for anyone’s suggestions. -- Mike I recently picked one up at Office Despot, mostly for use doing maps, but have found it very nice for music. Went to Kelly Paper and picked up some 12x18 28# stock, and the parts have come out very nice at default resolution. I haven't played any gigs with those parts in a moist environment, though, and so can't guarantee results there. But the parts are very clean and crisp, and they print out very quickly. I do recall, though, seeing a review in PC World saying the ink price per page was a bit high - but for printers that handle paper that large that's pretty much a given. cd ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 14, Issue 20
I think that you can fix this very easily. Merely highlight the area that needs to be moved. Cut it out of the score. Then paste it back into the area where you want the music to begin. Finale automatically realigns the music with the barlines. good luck, BE In a message dated 9/18/2004 1:01:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 2Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:49:21 -0400From: Bill Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [Finale] Shifting notes around...?To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"Hi there: For reasons I won't bore you with, I have one line of a multi-linescore where everything is shifted to the left by two quarter-notes. Is therea way to insert those two quarters at the very beginning and realign it all?The help stuff doesn't offer much of any help. I am poor and cheap enough tobe using FinMac2000c on OS9.1, FYI. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol. 14, Issue 20
Title: Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol. 14, Issue 20 I’ve always had difficulty cutting measures out of a score. But a quick and easy workaround I use is to in scroll view, make a new staff at the bottom (I usually leave it in treble clef, since I’m going to delete it in about two minutes anyway,) copy the notes I need with select partial measures enabled, copy them down to the new staff, clear the measures out of the original staff, move the notes from the new staff to where they should be in the original staff, and then delete the new staff. It sounds like a lot more than it really is. But that’s just me, I’ve never been able to successfully cut measures out of a score. On 18.09.2004 15:38 Uhr, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that you can fix this very easily. Merely highlight the area that needs to be moved. Cut it out of the score. Then paste it back into the area where you want the music to begin. Finale automatically realigns the music with the barlines. good luck, BE In a message dated 9/18/2004 1:01:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:49:21 -0400 From: Bill Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Finale] Shifting notes around...? To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi there: For reasons I won't bore you with, I have one line of a multi-line score where everything is shifted to the left by two quarter-notes. Is there a way to insert those two quarters at the very beginning and realign it all? The help stuff doesn't offer much of any help. I am poor and cheap enough to be using FinMac2000c on OS9.1, FYI. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Printer question
I'd say save and get a laser. In the long run, the costs of ink will make the Deskjet more expensive Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hello all -- I’ve read some of the printer discussions in the past, and thought I might run this question by you all. Does anyone have/what do you think of the HP Deskjet 9650? I’m looking for a printer that gives as close to laser-quality output as possible (but I by no means do anything that requires archival-quality or publishable stuff) and will print on large-size paper (at least 11x17, although the 9650 brochure says it goes up to 13x19). At the same time, this printer is for use in our home, and my wife and I would like to be able to print out digital photos on it as well. The HP Deskjet 9650 seems to fulfill both of those needs, and I usually see it on sale for $250 or $300 at the local OfficeMax or Staples. Are there any alarms I should know about, for those of you who have used it? Does anyone have a better product in mind in a similar price range ($350 at the absolute upper-most limit)? Thanks in advance for anyone’s suggestions. -- Mike ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ties
I think this has been a bug for a long time, no? Like maybe ever since version 1, when I first bought the software. RW On Saturday, September 18, 2004, at 12:19 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I believe you found a bug. I just tried putting a tie end in a bar with a key change. It shows up using speedy entry, but does not print nor display. Perhaps this needs to be sent to Finale Support, as it appears in the Windows and Macintosh versions of Finale 2005. Bob Florence wrote: Hi All: How do I put a tie end at the beginning of a line when the key signature changes. I know that you can put a tie end in place by clicking on a note with option. It gives you a large number of options, one of which is "tie end". I can't get it to work with a key change. I am using FinMac 2005 with OS 10. Thanks; Bob Florence ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Printer question
The trade-offs are as follows: The output on the inkjet is slower than toner based systems. but is capable of looking really good, depending on the paper you use. Glossy paper works best, but may not be firm enough to support its own weight on a conductor stand so you have to experiment a bit. The output is somewhat water soluble (keep it away from the trombone players) The product is more expensive per page IF you amortize it over the period of thousands of pages. Maybe you need less than this. If the answer is yes, then it is a good deal. It is all relative to your personal requirements. When the cost of the printer is about a tenth of the cost of toner based printers, all these factors must be considered. I have several large format inkjet printers as well as an HP 5100 and I use whatever is better suited. RW On Saturday, September 18, 2004, at 01:36 PM, Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hello all -- I’ve read some of the printer discussions in the past, and thought I might run this question by you all. Does anyone have/what do you think of the HP Deskjet 9650? I’m looking for a printer that gives as close to laser-quality output as possible (but I by no means do anything that requires archival-quality or publishable stuff) and will print on large-size paper (at least 11x17, although the 9650 brochure says it goes up to 13x19). At the same time, this printer is for use in our home, and my wife and I would like to be able to print out digital photos on it as well. The HP Deskjet 9650 seems to fulfill both of those needs, and I usually see it on sale for $250 or $300 at the local OfficeMax or Staples. Are there any alarms I should know about, for those of you who have used it? Does anyone have a better product in mind in a similar price range ($350 at the absolute upper-most limit)? Thanks in advance for anyone’s suggestions. -- Mike___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Printer question
The math of expense depends on your age. If you are 70 years old, buy the Inkjet. If you are 20 buy the Laser. Get it? The fifty years plus set will... RW On Saturday, September 18, 2004, at 04:14 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: I'd say save and get a laser. In the long run, the costs of ink will make the Deskjet more expensive Michael L. Meyer wrote: Hello all -- I’ve read some of the printer discussions in the past, and thought I might run this question by you all. Does anyone have/what do you think of the HP Deskjet 9650? I’m looking for a printer that gives as close to laser-quality output as possible (but I by no means do anything that requires archival-quality or publishable stuff) and will print on large-size paper (at least 11x17, although the 9650 brochure says it goes up to 13x19). At the same time, this printer is for use in our home, and my wife and I would like to be able to print out digital photos on it as well. The HP Deskjet 9650 seems to fulfill both of those needs, and I usually see it on sale for $250 or $300 at the local OfficeMax or Staples. Are there any alarms I should know about, for those of you who have used it? Does anyone have a better product in mind in a similar price range ($350 at the absolute upper-most limit)? Thanks in advance for anyone’s suggestions. -- Mike -- -- ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
