Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[A-NO-NE Music]

Darcy James Argue / 2005/05/22 / 06:44 PM wrote:

>Quartz Extreme (or lack thereof) should not have *that* much impact on 
>things like menu speed.


I agree.
But if you have DAW platform, where you depend on real-time redraw, QE
is extremely helpful to lower CPU usage.  It is a god send (I don't like
this idiom since I only believe in Miles) to me :-)

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- Hiro

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Re: [Finale] March Size

[Scott Jones]

On May 22, 2005, at 3:15 PM, dhbailey wrote:


Neal Schermerhorn wrote:

I didn't bother with trying to print twice on the same sheet, to  
avoid the cut-and-tape assembly step, simply because I figured it  
would take longer to work that out than to do it my way.






This is where EPS and a program like pagemaker or Quark comes in  
handy.  I used to eps all my marching band files, create a template  
in Pagemaker and insert the file twice as an EPS.  That would give me  
two copies on one page.  Then I would print all my work.  Much easier  
than cutting and tapeing paper copies!


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Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[Christopher Smith]

On May 22, 2005, at 7:03 PM, Rocky Road wrote:

In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res 
preview image was the result of design. If they had included a 
high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been 
huge.


I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't 
proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of 
course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. 
I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set 
low by default if they like, but the default should be 
user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to 
feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in 
and ask for it as well.



I complained too. But in the meantime I have switched to 600dpi TIFF 
images so I can read and check music on screen, which like you I like 
to do. They look good.





But you can't resize them without getting mondo jaggies. That's the 
main thing in favour of EPS inserts.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[Rocky Road]

In an exchange with MacSupport, they told me that the ultra low-res 
preview image was the result of design. If they had included a 
high-res preview, then your word processing file would have been 
huge.


I complained, and said that the resolution was so low I couldn't 
proof my word-processing document without printing it out, which of 
course adds yet another useless step to the already fussy procedure. 
I suggested that there be a user-selectionable image resolution, set 
low by default if they like, but the default should be 
user-adjustable. Maybe a slider. They said they would forward it to 
feature requests, but it will die there unless other people write in 
and ask for it as well.



I complained too. But in the meantime I have switched to 600dpi TIFF 
images so I can read and check music on screen, which like you I like 
to do. They look good.


--

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"Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, 
leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining 
planet known as Earth."

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RE: [Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect

[Giz Bowe]

Thought that was the Philip Glass effect.

At 04:06 PM 5/22/05, you wrote:
John Adams Effect: Child repeats same sentence fragments for 90 minutes. 
Parents fall into confused slumber.


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Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi Matthew,

There is no retail AGP version of the Radeon 9200 Mac Edition -- the 
retail Mac card is PCI only.  You may be able to get a flashed PC 
version of the card on eBay, but that's a risky proposition.  In fact, 
I very much doubt Versavision would work on a flashed PC Radeon 9200 
AGP.


Also, getting an AGP video card on any recent Power Mac requires you to 
*replace* your existing video card, whereas the PCI version works *in 
addition to* your existing video card -- an important consideration, 
especially if you only need screen rotation on a secondary display.


ATI have never supported Versavision (screen rotation) on OEM cards, 
only boxed retail cards.  That's why Apple is supporting the feature 
directly in 10.4.


Quartz Extreme (or lack thereof) should not have *that* much impact on 
things like menu speed.  You can test for yourself, though, as there is 
a widely used hack to enable Quartz Extreme support on the PCI bus:


http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/8979

I have also heard that there are (at least for the moment) significant 
performance problems with rotated displays.  I suspect that the the 
slow menus, etc., you are seeing are much more a function of general 
screen-rotation performance issues -- I'm not sure lack of Quartz 
Extreme has much to do with it.  But try the PCI Extreme hack and see 
for yourself.


- Darcy
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On 22 May 2005, at 5:57 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote:


Darcy wrote:

At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen 
rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't 
support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so).


Just a word of advice - if you buy the 9200, just make sure that you 
buy the AGP version, as the PCI version with all the bells and 
whistles unfortunately doesn't use Quartz Extreme acceleration.  This 
is a problem if you're using a big screen - the menus etc. are 
glacial, as I found out from bitter experience!




Matthew


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Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account]

Darcy wrote:

At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen 
rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't 
support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so).


Just a word of advice - if you buy the 9200, just make sure that you buy 
the AGP version, as the PCI version with all the bells and whistles 
unfortunately doesn't use Quartz Extreme acceleration.  This is a 
problem if you're using a big screen - the menus etc. are glacial, as I 
found out from bitter experience!


And if you buy the 9600 OEM model instead, you won't get screen rotation 
until you upgrade to OS X 10.4 Tiger.  Also discovered from experience...


Matthew


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Re: [Finale] Independent Time Signatures & Music Spacing

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 May 2005 at 21:36, Michael Cook wrote:

> Which version of Finale are you using? Note spacing with independent
> time signatures was broken for several years, but as far as I know it
> works correctly in Finale 2005. If you're using 2005 and there's still
> a problem, I'd be interested to have more details: maybe you could
> send me a copy of the problematic passage.

I'm using WinFin2K3.

I am not planning to upgrade because of two reasons:

1. the activation systemm without key escrow, AND

2. not enough useful new features/fixes to justify the upgrade.

While I'd love to have correct spacing for this particular file, this 
is the first time in nearly 15 years of my use of Finale that I've 
used it. 

Should I ever need it again, I'll make the time signature change 
cosmetic and enter the notes as tuplets. That would have been very 
easy in the present case because it's rhythmically homogenous, so I 
could easily use the CAPS LOCK in speedy entry to enter it very fast.

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RE: [Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect

[Williams, Jim]

John Adams Effect: Child repeats same sentence fragments for 90 minutes. 
Parents fall into confused slumber.

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Subject: [Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect




The Mozart Effect -- playing classical music to your children raises
their IQ -- has been pretty well debunked:
http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/february2/mozart-020205.html

A blogger considers, however, the effect of playing music by other
composers to your child:

Liszt effect: Child speaks rapidly and extravagantly, but never
really says anything important.

Brahms effect:  Child plagiarizes so forcefully that onlookers marvel
at his learning, scholarship, and of course, force.

Bruckner effect: Child speaks very slowly and repeats himself
frequently. Gains reputation for profundity.

Wagner effect: Child becomes a megalomaniac. May eventually marry his 
sister.

Mahler effect: Child continually screams - at great length and volume
- that he's dying.

Verdi effect:  Child continually screams.

Schoenberg effect: Child never repeats a word until he's used all the
other words in his vocabulary. Sometimes talks backwards. Eventually,
people stop listening to him. Child blames them for their inability
to understand him.

Webern effect:  Child.

Babbitt effect: Child gibbers nonsense all the time. Eventually,
people stop listening to him. Child doesn't care because all his
playmates think he's cool.

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Re: [Finale] Independent Time Signatures & Music Spacing

[Michael Cook]

Which version of Finale are you using? Note spacing with independent 
time signatures was broken for several years, but as far as I know it 
works correctly in Finale 2005. If you're using 2005 and there's still 
a problem, I'd be interested to have more details: maybe you could send 
me a copy of the problematic passage.


Michael Cook

On 22 May 2005, at 20:28, David W. Fenton wrote:


Am I correct that if you have independent time signatures in a score,
that note spacing doesn't work for the independent time signature (as
opposed to the "real" time signature)?

I've never used independent time signatures before, but am now
transcribing a piano quartet from 1796 where in the 6/8 Rondo at the
end, the piano switches back and forth between 6/8 and 2/4 while the
string parts stay in 6/8. I was delighted to discover that
independent time signatures allowed me to do this, but now that I've
got all the notes in, I've discovered that music spacing just doesn't
work well at all.

If I apply time signature spacing to the 2/4 part, it's OK except for
the sections with accidentals.

Is there any solution to this?

Or is this yet another of the myriad half-baked "feature" in Finale
that no one has really completely finished?

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Re: [Finale] March Size

[dhbailey]

Neal Schermerhorn wrote:

For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to print a
part out at "marching band" size, could you share the values you use? (I'd
be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.)

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I just printed a marching band arrangement.

In page layout, I changed the page size to width: 6.75, height: 5.25, 
Landscape.


I then printed each part on a single sheet of 8.5x11 in portrait mode.

I used my word processor to print special paper with a vertical line 
running the length of the page at 6.75" from the left edge, and a 
horizontal line running 6.75" in, printing at 5.25" from the top edge, 
as an easy guide for cutting the pages apart.


Then I printed all the parts in Finale on that paper and cut out half of 
them and taped them into the guidelines, so I could simply photocopy 
these masters.  I printed several copies of certain parts where a band 
would need more of that particular instrument, so that in the end I can 
simply photocopy 2 of each sheet and have a complete band set.


I didn't bother with trying to print twice on the same sheet, to avoid 
the cut-and-tape assembly step, simply because I figured it would take 
longer to work that out than to do it my way.



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Re: [Finale] March Size

[Scott Jones]

Current settings for american marching band music is 7 x 10 for a  
full sheet.   I've seen and measured several companies outputs and  
that seems to be the closest to a standard out there.


Scott

On May 22, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Neal Schermerhorn wrote:

For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to  
print a
part out at "marching band" size, could you share the values you  
use? (I'd

be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.)

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[Finale] Independent Time Signatures & Music Spacing

[David W. Fenton]

Am I correct that if you have independent time signatures in a score, 
that note spacing doesn't work for the independent time signature (as 
opposed to the "real" time signature)?

I've never used independent time signatures before, but am now 
transcribing a piano quartet from 1796 where in the 6/8 Rondo at the 
end, the piano switches back and forth between 6/8 and 2/4 while the 
string parts stay in 6/8. I was delighted to discover that 
independent time signatures allowed me to do this, but now that I've 
got all the notes in, I've discovered that music spacing just doesn't 
work well at all.

If I apply time signature spacing to the 2/4 part, it's OK except for 
the sections with accidentals.

Is there any solution to this?

Or is this yet another of the myriad half-baked "feature" in Finale 
that no one has really completely finished?

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[Finale] OT: the [insert composer] effect

[shirling & neueweise]

The Mozart Effect -- playing classical music to your children raises 
their IQ -- has been pretty well debunked:

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/february2/mozart-020205.html

A blogger considers, however, the effect of playing music by other 
composers to your child:


Liszt effect: Child speaks rapidly and extravagantly, but never 
really says anything important.


Brahms effect:  Child plagiarizes so forcefully that onlookers marvel 
at his learning, scholarship, and of course, force.


Bruckner effect: Child speaks very slowly and repeats himself 
frequently. Gains reputation for profundity.


Wagner effect: Child becomes a megalomaniac. May eventually marry his sister.

Mahler effect: Child continually screams - at great length and volume 
- that he's dying.


Verdi effect:  Child continually screams.

Schoenberg effect: Child never repeats a word until he's used all the 
other words in his vocabulary. Sometimes talks backwards. Eventually, 
people stop listening to him. Child blames them for their inability 
to understand him.


Webern effect:  Child.

Babbitt effect: Child gibbers nonsense all the time. Eventually, 
people stop listening to him. Child doesn't care because all his 
playmates think he's cool.


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Re: [Finale] March Size

[David W. Fenton]

On 22 May 2005 at 13:27, Neal Schermerhorn wrote:

> For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to
> print a part out at "marching band" size, could you share the values
> you use? (I'd be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be
> cut down.)

Isn't it by definition half of octavo size?

I photocopied literally thousands of such pages during my band 
librarian days, and it was always a matter of copying onto 8.5 x 11 
and trimming the right margin and then cutting in half.

If the parts are all one march-size page each, you'd want to have the 
margins for half the parts placing the part at the top of the page 
(with the bottom blank), and the other half of the parts on the 
bottom half of the page, You'd then have to feed each page through 
the printer twice. And you'd want to group similar parts based on the 
number you are printing (you may be supplying only one master part, 
but the user will be photocopying those to create a part set of the 
right number for their band).

Of course, I'm assuming you want to distribute the parts uncut, as 
all the music publishers do it.

And, yes, it does sound like a pain, but you'd need only two sets of 
margins, one for top parts and one for bottom parts.

Any two-page parts (trumpets and percussion often take up two pages, 
with one page for other instruments) will be easy, but that does mean 
a 3rd set of margins.

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[Finale] Re: .eps Export/Import into Word

[shirling & neueweise]

i don't remember exactly what you are trying to do, but individually 
defining small pages (eg. 1.5 x 1.5) can be done in page layout, make 
sure to select this page only.


for notation legends, i set up a document with one staff, place only 
symbol/example per page (page format = 288x432 EVPUs), and export 
individual pages as TIFs which i then import into word... which deals 
with graphics in a really sucky way.   i haven't used EPS because i 
found it was unusable, that the onscreen and print output looked like 
crap.


in the past, i printed these pages to pdf, then copy-pasted into the 
final pdf doc, but i found this process to be prone to error (for me).


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[Finale] March Size

[Neal Schermerhorn]

For those who have already successfully found a set of settings to print a
part out at "marching band" size, could you share the values you use? (I'd
be printing to 8 1/2 x 11, and the paper would then be cut down.)

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Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[Darcy James Argue]

Hey Chuck,

If it's any consolation, I would guess that support for screen rotation 
on nVidia cards is in the works.  After all, Apple write the nVidia 
drivers themselves (nVidia provide only the hardware design), and the 
current situation is a bit of a nightmare.


It's actually disappointing and very un-Apple like for them to release 
an OS with an almost completely undocumented feature that only works on 
one manufacturer's video cards.  When features like screen rotation are 
introduced, they are supposed to "just work."  Clearly this feature is 
causing a tremendous amount of confusion, and it really looks like they 
should have kept it under wraps it until they could get it to work on 
(at least) all currently shipping Macs, regardless of video card 
manufacturer.


- Darcy
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On 22 May 2005, at 12:50 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:


Hi Darcy,

I had already looked at the system profiler and determined that I have 
an nVidia card - too bad!  (I know, it's hard to tell from some of my 
posts what level of Mac savvy I have because there are a few things 
about which I know a little, and others about which I know only enough 
to get myself into trouble!)  I am aware that the Radeon 9200 supports 
Versavision, and I agree, it's not that expensive, if you need the 
rotation feature.


Cheers to you too, Darcy

All the best,

Chuck


On May 21, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Chuck,

Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion 
about the issue at the moment.  So far as I can tell, the leading 
theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video cards, 
not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple hasn't 
promoted this new Tiger feature at all.


You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video 
card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab.


At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen 
rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't 
support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so).


- Darcy
-
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Brooklyn, NY


On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:



Hi Darcy,

So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on 
10.4) where I can access that.


What am I missing?  I have been directed to Syatem prefs - displays 
by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but there's nothing 
there to indicate a possibility of rotation.  Someone else suggested 
that some older cards do not support this.  Who is wrong?  I'd be 
delighted to get the rotation without spending more money.


Thanks,

Chuck

On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



Chuck,

Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4.  You should 
be able to use screen rotation with your existing video card once 
you upgrade to 10.4.


- Darcy
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On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:





Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens! 
Yummy!)






Beware, Chris.  This feature depends on having a graphics card 
which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access this 
feature.  I will only really need this the next time I work on an 
orchestral score (my monitor has a 13" vertical dimension that's 
already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the necessary 
(and expensive) card then.  Too bad.  I am disappointed.


Chuck

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Re: [Finale] .eps Export/Import into Word

[Chuck Israels]

Hi Darcy,

I had already looked at the system profiler and determined that I  
have an nVidia card - too bad!  (I know, it's hard to tell from some  
of my posts what level of Mac savvy I have because there are a few  
things about which I know a little, and others about which I know  
only enough to get myself into trouble!)  I am aware that the Radeon  
9200 supports Versavision, and I agree, it's not that expensive, if  
you need the rotation feature.


Cheers to you too, Darcy

All the best,

Chuck


On May 21, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:


Hi Chuck,

Looking into this further, it seems there's a fair bit of confusion  
about the issue at the moment.  So far as I can tell, the leading  
theory is that screen rotation is only supported on ATI video  
cards, not (yet) on nVidia cards -- which is possibly why Apple  
hasn't promoted this new Tiger feature at all.


You can use Apple System Profiler to determine which model of video  
card you have -- just launch ASP and click on the PCI/AGP Cards tab.


At any rate, the retail ATI Radeon 9200 Mac Edition supports screen  
rotation through ATI's Versavision software even if the OS doesn't  
support it, and it's not *that* expensive ($125 or so).


- Darcy
-
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Brooklyn, NY


On 22 May 2005, at 12:03 AM, Chuck Israels wrote:



Hi Darcy,

So say you, and others, but there's no place I can find (I am on  
10.4) where I can access that.


What am I missing?  I have been directed to Syatem prefs -  
displays by others (John Bell, if I remember correctly) but  
there's nothing there to indicate a possibility of rotation.   
Someone else suggested that some older cards do not support this.   
Who is wrong?  I'd be delighted to get the rotation without  
spending more money.


Thanks,

Chuck

On May 21, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote:



Chuck,

Screen rotation is supported at the OS level for 10.4.  You  
should be able to use screen rotation with your existing video  
card once you upgrade to 10.4.


- Darcy
-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Brooklyn, NY


On 21 May 2005, at 7:12 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:





Hmm, one MORE reason to upgrade (along with rotating screens!  
Yummy!)






Beware, Chris.  This feature depends on having a graphics card  
which allows this, and my early G5 1.8 seems unable to access  
this feature.  I will only really need this the next time I work  
on an orchestral score (my monitor has a 13" vertical dimension  
that's already OK for most of my work), and I'll just buy the  
necessary (and expensive) card then.  Too bad.  I am disappointed.


Chuck

Chuck Israels
230 North Garden Terrace
Bellingham, WA 98225-5836
phone (360) 671-3402
fax (360) 676-6055
www.chuckisraels.com

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