Re: [Finale] Printers used

2007-02-11 Thread Christopher Smith


On 11-Feb-07, at 1:16 AM, Stephen Ellis wrote:

I have learned much from the thread concerning binding.  I now pose  
an even more basic question:  What printers are recommended for  
your oversized pages?  I would like to purchase one capable of  
printing larger that 8.5 x 14.  Thoughts?


I use a Hewlitt-Packard 5100 laser printer that I bought used on  
eBay. It has capacity of up to 12.28 X 18.5 inches and is fast and  
tough. They are going used for about $600 for the basic model, but I  
suggest getting the networking card if you have more than one  
computer or printer. You might want an extra paper tray, too,  
depending on what you want to do with it.


There are only two disappointments. I bought a duplexer for automatic  
double-sided printing, but it won't work with the thickness of paper  
I like, so I have to feed it through the straight paper path on the  
side of the printer twice (once each side).


The other is that there seems to be a bug with 2-up printing. I have  
tried to make choral booklets on ordinary-weight paper with the  
duplexer, but it will always move the very last page onto a new sheet  
of paper. I don't know if this is a printer problem or a Finale  
problem (or an OS problem), but it keeps me from doing efficiently  
what I bought the printer for, in part.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Printers used

2007-02-11 Thread Chuck Israels

Christopher,

I think the HP duplexers are a lot less good than the printers  
themselves.  Mine worked for a while and then gave up the ghost.   
Efforts at reviving it have not been successful.  Supposedly, there  
was a repair kit for it from HP, but I haven't found one.


Chuck



I use a Hewlitt-Packard 5100 laser printer that I bought used on  
eBay. It has capacity of up to 12.28 X 18.5 inches and is fast and  
tough. They are going used for about $600 for the basic model, but  
I suggest getting the networking card if you have more than one  
computer or printer. You might want an extra paper tray, too,  
depending on what you want to do with it.


There are only two disappointments. I bought a duplexer for  
automatic double-sided printing, but it won't work with the  
thickness of paper I like, so I have to feed it through the  
straight paper path on the side of the printer twice (once each side).


The other is that there seems to be a bug with 2-up printing. I  
have tried to make choral booklets on ordinary-weight paper with  
the duplexer, but it will always move the very last page onto a new  
sheet of paper. I don't know if this is a printer problem or a  
Finale problem (or an OS problem), but it keeps me from doing  
efficiently what I bought the printer for, in part.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Printers used

2007-02-11 Thread ThomaStudios
I've been using HP printers for the past 8 years or so, starting with  
the old 4MV, to the 5000m and now currently the 5100.  I lease my  
computers and printers so I get a new one every 2-3 years, so I  
haven't encountered the wearing out issue too much.  Of the 3, I  
thought the 5000 was the most robust.  The 5100 not as much so.  Like  
Chuck, I've experienced problems with the duplexer, especially  
regarding paper weight and 8.5 x 14 paper, which won't go thru the  
duplexer at all.


My lease on the 5100 is up in May and I'll look at the 5200 but I'll  
also be scouting out other brands, including Xante.  But all in all,  
my experiences with all my HP printers have been mostly positive.   
They are built like tanks and the output is extremely good.


J D  Thomas
ThomaStudios

On Feb 10, 2007, at 10:16 PM, Stephen Ellis wrote:

I have learned much from the thread concerning binding.  I now pose  
an even more basic question:  What printers are recommended for  
your oversized pages?  I would like to purchase one capable of  
printing larger that 8.5 x 14.  Thoughts?


Steve

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[Finale] How to get rid of Garritan plug-in?

2007-02-11 Thread BillSincl
I would like to uncouple the Garritan plug-in from a particular  song, but 
not from the other songs I've arranged.
 
Trying to select the instrument list does not work.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks; Bill Sinclair
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RE: [Finale] How to get rid of Garritan plug-in?

2007-02-11 Thread Williams, Jim
In that particular document, just deselect Use Native Instruments VST. 



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Subject: [Finale] How to get rid of Garritan plug-in?


I would like to uncouple the Garritan plug-in from a particular  song, but 
not from the other songs I've arranged.
 
Trying to select the instrument list does not work.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks; Bill Sinclair
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[Finale] Javier Ruiz?

2007-02-11 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
Hi all,

Anyone have the latest email for Javier Ruiz? Both the mac.com addresses I
have are bouncing.

Please reply privately.

Dennis




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[Finale] Staff Style Question

2007-02-11 Thread Carl Dershem
What steps, if any, work to make a staff style no playback?  I'd 
*really* like to be able to set, for example, slashes as no 
playback, but can't figure out how to set that.


Using FinWin04.

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Re: [Finale] (no subject)

2007-02-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 10 Feb 2007 at 22:35, Scott Jones wrote:

 Why not use  3+3 over 8 and 3/4 in the next box and THEN choose to 
 display the time signature of 7/4?  I just tried it in Finale 2006 
 for Mac and it works.

Well, given that using EDUs works without having to define two time 
sigs, I don't know why you'd spend the time on an unneeded 
workaround. Secondly, my understanding was that display as 6/8+4/4 
was a requirement (though I could be wrong on that).

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Re: [Finale] 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread shirling neueweise



  Why not use  3+3 over 8 and 3/4 in the next box and THEN choose to
  display the time signature of 7/4?  I just tried it in Finale 2006

my understanding was that display as 6/8+4/4 was a requirement 
(though I could be wrong on that).


you can set a different display than the defined beam grouping.

more choices: use a different time sig for display



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Re: [Finale] 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Feb 2007 at 23:32, shirling  neueweise wrote:

Why not use  3+3 over 8 and 3/4 in the next box and THEN choose
to display the time signature of 7/4?  I just tried it in Finale
2006
 
 my understanding was that display as 6/8+4/4 was a requirement 
 (though I could be wrong on that).
 
 you can set a different display than the defined beam grouping.
 
 more choices: use a different time sig for display

My understanding was the required beaming was 6/8+4/4 and the 
required display time sig was 6/8+4/4, so I have a hard time seeing 
why you'd not just define the time sig with EDUs to get 6/8+4/4 as 
the underlying actual time sig *and* as the display time sig, all 
with one action.

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Re: [Finale] 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread shirling neueweise



My understanding was the required beaming was 6/8+4/4 and the
required display time sig was 6/8+4/4, so I have a hard time seeing
why you'd not just define the time sig with EDUs to get 6/8+4/4 as
the underlying actual time sig *and* as the display time sig, all
with one action.


both work.  some people will prefer 3+3/8 + 4/4 instead of dealing 
with EDUs because it is far more intuitive (and newer users possibly 
don't even know what they are!); once EDUs are set in this dialogue 
box they stay there until you uncheck the EDU button.  since this is 
an exception, probably it is faster and clearer to not use EDUs.


i don't really care either way, whatever gets yer clock tickin'.

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Re: [Finale] 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread dhbailey

David W. Fenton wrote:

On 11 Feb 2007 at 23:32, shirling  neueweise wrote:


  Why not use  3+3 over 8 and 3/4 in the next box and THEN choose
  to display the time signature of 7/4?  I just tried it in Finale
  2006

my understanding was that display as 6/8+4/4 was a requirement 
(though I could be wrong on that).

you can set a different display than the defined beam grouping.

more choices: use a different time sig for display


My understanding was the required beaming was 6/8+4/4 and the 
required display time sig was 6/8+4/4, so I have a hard time seeing 
why you'd not just define the time sig with EDUs to get 6/8+4/4 as 
the underlying actual time sig *and* as the display time sig, all 
with one action.




The beaming was to be in 2 groups of 3, plus the standard 4/4.  The 
original post mentioned that when he put 6/8 he got single 8th-note 
beaming rather than the 8ths in groups of 3 as he wanted.


I'm not sure that anything is capable of doing that without using a 
different signature for display.


What would the settings with EDUs be which would give the same effect of 
2/dotted-quarter + 4/4 and yet would show 6/8+4/4?


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Re: [Finale] 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread shirling neueweise


What would the settings with EDUs be which would give the same 
effect of 2/dotted-quarter + 4/4 and yet would show 6/8+4/4?


2/1536 + 4/1024

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[Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 43, Issue 15

2007-02-11 Thread Clay Zambo

Regarding my call for help on a 7/4 piece...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


1/1.5 + 1/1.5 + 2/4 + 2/4 (or ... + 1/2 + 1/2, depending on whether
you'd rather manually fix the sixteenth note beams or the eighth note
beams).


Which was logical, but, as shirling  neueweise  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] pointed out,



darcy, can you get decmial places to work there!? (i don't think so)


doesn't work.


select EDUs:
2/1536 + 4/1024 (quarters beamed separately)
2/1536 + 2/2048 (quarters beamed in groups of 2 [i.e. as half notes])


That just make my head hurt.  But I'm sure that's just because I've  
never had to deal with EDUs (except in email and web addresses).


David Bailey propsed [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Make one box 3 + 3 over 8 and the next box 4/4?


...which it would never have occurred to me to try.  Simple enough  
though, and it absolutely does the trick.


Thanks to all of you!

Now, a more philosophical question: in a situation like this, would  
you rather read 7/4 with 8th-note groupings of 3, 3, 4, 4, or  
alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4?


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[Finale] 7/4, continued

2007-02-11 Thread Clay Zambo


On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:01 PM, David Fenton wrote:


While that gets the beaming right, it displays time sig of 3+3/8 +
4/4


Right--but from there it's pretty easy to use 7/4 as the display  
signature.


Thanks again.

-C

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[Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread Bob Florence

Hi All:

I'm working on a jazz score for 6 saxes, 5 trumpets, 4 trombones , 
drums, guitar, piano and bass. Somehow my saxes and my brass are out of 
sync on the score.
Is it possible to insert measures to just the saxophones?  That way I 
could sync up all of the horns.

Thanks:

Bob Florence
MacFin 2007b
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[Finale] 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread Darcy James Argue
Depends somewhat on the context and tempo, but unless it is extremely  
slow, I'd prefer 7/4 throughout.


- Darcy
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On 11 Feb 2007, at 6:30 PM, Clay Zambo wrote:


Re
Now, a more philosophical question: in a situation like this, would  
you rather read 7/4 with 8th-note groupings of 3, 3, 4, 4, or  
alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4?


-Clay
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[Finale] Re: 7/4

2007-02-11 Thread shirling neueweise


Now, a more philosophical question: in a situation like this, would 
you rather read 7/4 with 8th-note groupings of 3, 3, 4, 4, or 
alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4?


philosophical answer: it depends.





is it really in 7/4 and this is an exceptional case where different 
beat groups are intended to be heard against the pre-established 7/4 
(in quarters)?  or is it in fact separate measures of 6/8 and 4/4?


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Re: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread Carl Dershem

Bob Florence wrote:


Hi All:

I'm working on a jazz score for 6 saxes, 5 trumpets, 4 trombones , 
drums, guitar, piano and bass. Somehow my saxes and my brass are out of 
sync on the score.
Is it possible to insert measures to just the saxophones?  That way I 
could sync up all of the horns.

Thanks:

Bob Florence
MacFin 2007b


The last time something like that happened to me, I had to do a 
Cut/Paste, and just manually move the screwed up lines by hand.  As far 
as I can tell, Insert measures works on all staves, instead of just one.


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Re: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread Bob Florence

Carl Dershem wrote:

Bob Florence wrote:


Hi All:

I'm working on a jazz score for 6 saxes, 5 trumpets, 4 trombones , 
drums, guitar, piano and bass. Somehow my saxes and my brass are out 
of sync on the score.
Is it possible to insert measures to just the saxophones?  That way I 
could sync up all of the horns.

Thanks:

Bob Florence
MacFin 2007b


The last time something like that happened to me, I had to do a 
Cut/Paste, and just manually move the screwed up lines by hand.  As 
far as I can tell, Insert measures works on all staves, instead of 
just one.


cd



Hi Carl;

Thanks a lot. That's NOT what I wanted to hear. :-)

Bob F.



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Re: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread Darcy James Argue

Bob,

I'm afraid I don't understand why a simple copy+paste on the saxes  
would cause you any serious grief. Surely this is a simple problem to  
fix... ?


Cheers,

- Darcy
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On 11 Feb 2007, at 7:08 PM, Bob Florence wrote:


Carl Dershem wrote:

Bob Florence wrote:


Hi All:

I'm working on a jazz score for 6 saxes, 5 trumpets, 4  
trombones , drums, guitar, piano and bass. Somehow my saxes and  
my brass are out of sync on the score.
Is it possible to insert measures to just the saxophones?  That  
way I could sync up all of the horns.

Thanks:

Bob Florence
MacFin 2007b


The last time something like that happened to me, I had to do a  
Cut/Paste, and just manually move the screwed up lines by hand.   
As far as I can tell, Insert measures works on all staves,  
instead of just one.


cd



Hi Carl;

Thanks a lot. That's NOT what I wanted to hear. :-)

Bob F.



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RE: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread George Galway
Hi Bob,

This situation has happened to me also. I got round it by adding a new set
of staves and copying the parts. When you have copied the parts to their new
positions copy the new parts back to their original staves and delete the
surplus staves.

George G.  Manchester UK  

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Subject: Re: [Finale] insert measures

Bob Florence wrote:

 Hi All:
 
 I'm working on a jazz score for 6 saxes, 5 trumpets, 4 trombones , 
 drums, guitar, piano and bass. Somehow my saxes and my brass are out 
 of sync on the score.
 Is it possible to insert measures to just the saxophones?  That way I 
 could sync up all of the horns.
 Thanks:
 
 Bob Florence
 MacFin 2007b

The last time something like that happened to me, I had to do a Cut/Paste,
and just manually move the screwed up lines by hand.  As far as I can tell,
Insert measures works on all staves, instead of just one.

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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 43, Issue 15

2007-02-11 Thread dhbailey

Clay Zambo wrote:
[snip]



Now, a more philosophical question: in a situation like this, would you 
rather read 7/4 with 8th-note groupings of 3, 3, 4, 4, or alternating 
measures of 6/8 and 4/4?





That depends on how the music was conceived -- alternating measures of 
6/8 and 4/4 does not sound the same as one measure of 7/4, in my opinion.


If it makes no difference to you as the composer, then make it simple. 
but if the different rhythmic stresses of 7/4 from 6/8 - 4/4 are 
important to the music, then leave it in 7/4.


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RE: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 12 Feb 2007 at 0:12, George Galway wrote:

 This situation has happened to me also. I got round it by adding a new
 set of staves and copying the parts. When you have copied the parts to
 their new positions copy the new parts back to their original staves
 and delete the surplus staves.

Why do you need to do this? Just copy from the current location to 
the new location. You do have to add the Ctrl key to the click on the 
destination for copying (on Windows, of course), and occasionally for 
some reason Finale decides to ignore it and not copy, but I've found 
that usually closing Finale and re-opening makes it respond to the 
command again.

I've never found it necessary to use scratch staves for copying 
horiziontally within the same staff -- I only use it when composing 
and needing to, say, exchange voices (where copying would destroy 
material that you want to keep).

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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale Digest, Vol 43, Issue 15

2007-02-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Feb 2007 at 19:30, dhbailey wrote:

 Clay Zambo wrote:
 [snip]
 
  Now, a more philosophical question: in a situation like this, would
  you rather read 7/4 with 8th-note groupings of 3, 3, 4, 4, or
  alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4?
 
 That depends on how the music was conceived -- alternating measures of
 6/8 and 4/4 does not sound the same as one measure of 7/4, in my
 opinion.
 
 If it makes no difference to you as the composer, then make it simple.
 but if the different rhythmic stresses of 7/4 from 6/8 - 4/4 are
 important to the music, then leave it in 7/4.

This whole discussion confuses me. If the groupings are 3+3 8ths and 
the 2+2+2+2 8ths, then it's not really a 7/4 feeling at all (which 
usually groups into 3+4 or 4+3 quarters), and to me, using a 7/4 time 
signature is going to obscure what's really going on. I'd use the 
6/8+4/4 time signature myself, I think, mostly because it's a lot of 
work to have alternating meters every two measures.

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[Finale] Editing old file in FinMac2006, can't change system bottom margins

2007-02-11 Thread Christopher Smith

I've got a strange problem.

I have edited a file from 2002 in FinMac 2006c, and I am at the very  
end of the operation, laying out the score.


I can't change the bottom system margins of any system in the score.  
They are all set to zero, according to the window, but the bottom  
right handle is about 1.75 inches below the lowest system and  
obstinately refuses to be raised any  more. It is exactly as if there  
are two extra staves that I can't see, but I can't find any tool that  
recognises that there are more than seven staves (what I can see.)  
File Maintenance finds no problems with the integrity of the doc, and  
Sort or Respace does nothing.


I know if all else fails I can copy the contents to a new file and  
most likely the bug will not be copied to the new file, but that is a  
lot of work considering I am in the home stretch. Any ideas?


I seem to be the only one this happens to. Or maybe I just edit old  
files a lot, so it happens more.


Christopher


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Re: [Finale] Javier Ruiz?

2007-02-11 Thread Chuck Israels

Dear Dennis,

I don't have your email to reply privately but, if you send me an  
email, I can give you the last address (snail mail) and phone numbers  
I have for Javier.


Chuck


On Feb 11, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:


Hi all,

Anyone have the latest email for Javier Ruiz? Both the mac.com  
addresses I

have are bouncing.

Please reply privately.

Dennis




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Re: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread Christopher Smith


On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:46 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 12 Feb 2007 at 0:12, George Galway wrote:

This situation has happened to me also. I got round it by adding a  
new
set of staves and copying the parts. When you have copied the  
parts to

their new positions copy the new parts back to their original staves
and delete the surplus staves.


Why do you need to do this? Just copy from the current location to
the new location. You do have to add the Ctrl key to the click on the
destination for copying (on Windows, of course), and occasionally for
some reason Finale decides to ignore it and not copy, but I've found
that usually closing Finale and re-opening makes it respond to the
command again.

I've never found it necessary to use scratch staves for copying
horiziontally within the same staff -- I only use it when composing
and needing to, say, exchange voices (where copying would destroy
material that you want to keep).


Overlapping the source and target measures used to erase the  
articulations in only the overlapped area. So I do this by copy/paste  
or with scratch staves, as suggested.


Christopher



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Re: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread David W. Fenton
On 11 Feb 2007 at 20:05, Christopher Smith wrote:

 On Feb 11, 2007, at 7:46 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
 
  On 12 Feb 2007 at 0:12, George Galway wrote:
 
  This situation has happened to me also. I got round it by adding a 
  new set of staves and copying the parts. When you have copied the 
  parts to their new positions copy the new parts back to their
  original staves and delete the surplus staves.
 
  Why do you need to do this? Just copy from the current location to
  the new location. You do have to add the Ctrl key to the click on
  the destination for copying (on Windows, of course), and
  occasionally for some reason Finale decides to ignore it and not
  copy, but I've found that usually closing Finale and re-opening
  makes it respond to the command again.
 
  I've never found it necessary to use scratch staves for copying
  horiziontally within the same staff -- I only use it when composing
  and needing to, say, exchange voices (where copying would destroy
  material that you want to keep).
 
 Overlapping the source and target measures used to erase the  
 articulations in only the overlapped area. So I do this by copy/paste 
 or with scratch staves, as suggested.

In which versions of Finale was that but present? I'm on an old 
version (WinFin2K3), and have never experienced any such problem.

And was it fixed in later versions?

-- 
David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com
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Re: [Finale] Editing old file in FinMac2006, can't change system bottom margins

2007-02-11 Thread Christopher Smith


On Feb 11, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Christopher Smith wrote:


I've got a strange problem.

I have edited a file from 2002 in FinMac 2006c, and I am at the  
very end of the operation, laying out the score.


I can't change the bottom system margins of any system in the  
score. They are all set to zero, according to the window, but the  
bottom right handle is about 1.75 inches below the lowest system  
and obstinately refuses to be raised any  more. It is exactly as if  
there are two extra staves that I can't see, but I can't find any  
tool that recognises that there are more than seven staves (what I  
can see.) File Maintenance finds no problems with the integrity of  
the doc, and Sort or Respace does nothing.



I solved it. Redefine Pages did it. Apparently, because I had resized  
the staves using the Zoom Tool after turning off the zoom in Page  
Size, the document thought that the systems were still the old sizes.  
Weird.


Thanks anyway to those who I know were working on this. 8-)

Christopher



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Re: [Finale] insert measures

2007-02-11 Thread Christopher Smith


On Feb 11, 2007, at 8:16 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:


On 11 Feb 2007 at 20:05, Christopher Smith wrote:


Overlapping the source and target measures used to erase the
articulations in only the overlapped area. So I do this by copy/paste
or with scratch staves, as suggested.


In which versions of Finale was that but present? I'm on an old
version (WinFin2K3), and have never experienced any such problem.

And was it fixed in later versions?


Hmm, ya got me. I don't do it anymore, having been once bitten, twice  
shy. I think it was in 2005 that I noticed it. I remember reporting  
it here some time ago.


Christopher



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Re: [Finale] OT: Stanford Symposium on Historic Performance

2007-02-11 Thread Bunnydowns
For those on the list interested in this issue, Stanford University will host 
this conference on April 19th through 21st. 

The full title of the symposium is: Reactions to the Record: Perspectives on 
Historic Performance. The papers and lecture demonstrations will focus on 
how the transition to recorded music had a profound effect on performance 
practice.

Full information is available at: 
http://music.stanford.edu/Events/StanfordMusicSymposium/

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