Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 30.01.2008 João Miguel Pais wrote:

I don't know about Bärenreiter, but I know that Henle went from Score to 
Sibelius (and maybe finale): Joachim Linckelmann (the person in charge of the 
german version of sibelius and responsible for Notensatzdienst Freiburg, which 
you find many times in the previous list) worked on the font himself, as he 
reports in http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-music-german/message/4157 
(yahoo german sibelius list, I guess you might have to be signed in and read 
german to understand it).


I really don't think any of this is true (concerning Henle). To the best 
of my knowledge Henle never used Score. They have, or used to have, a 
much more complex system called Amadeus. I have no idea whether this is 
still being used, but it certainly was when they contacted me asking me 
to take my webpage down (which was a guide on how to get Henle-like 
output with Finale). I was told by the person that they did use Finale 
on occasion, but most of their output was done on Amadeus.


I rather doubt that they could be using Sibelius these days, but since I 
don't know the latest versions of Sibelius I can't tell. Earlier 
versions were simply not capable to produce certain in-house standards 
which Henle uses (especially beams). That may well have changed.


I do know that what you said about Henle is true for Schott, perhaps you 
got the two mixed up. I have briefly worked for Schott in the past, and 
they had more or less abandoned Score and switched to Sibelius for 
in-house production, but also allowed Finale for external engravers. I 
handed in the material as Schott, using their font and templates. I 
believe they had in-house people going over it.


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 29.01.2008 Kim Patrick Clow wrote:

In an effort to make my own editions of vocal music better, a friend
suggested I look at Barenreiter's Bach and Telemann editions.
I was bowled over with the elegance and roomy spacing, but I'm curious
if they typeset using computer software, or do they still
do that the old fashioned way with stamps and dies?


I can't really say much about vocal music at all, except that I believe 
Finale has major deficiencies in this regard, some of which can be 
worked around with TGTools. However, I seldomly have to deal with vocal 
music myself.


However, many years ago I think I managed to prove that Finale is 
capable of producing high quality output comparable to (and mimicing) 
Henle editions of the highest quality. There were some rather minor 
details which _at the time_ were impossible in Finale (I think most of 
them are now possible at least with some tweaking). I also know for a 
fact that a few Henle editions were indeed done on Finale (though I also 
know that the majority of their music is done on their proprietary 
Amadeus system, which is no longer for sale as far as I know).


The main problem with any such imitation is always the font.

Have you seen the examples on my webpage? Have a look at 
http://www.musikmanufaktur.com


Look for "Notenbeispiele" on the left. I am especially proud of the 
Pisendel example.


I now also have a font which is very similar to one of Henle's music 
fonts, and which is based in part on the freeware font from the Xemo 
project. I am not sure where that has gone these days, though, but the 
font, Xinfonia, had some rather nice clefs and flags in it. (I don't 
think any of the examples use this font, but the items on Lulu do.)


Sibelius also has a rather nice font these days.

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[Kim Patrick Clow]

On Jan 31, 2008 4:24 AM, Johannes Gebauer  (I don't
> think any of the examples use this font, but the items on Lulu do.)

I saw your edition there, it really looks nice. Congrats! Nice colors
on the jacket as well!


Kim
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[João Miguel Pais]

I really don't think any of this is true (concerning Henle). To the best  
of my knowledge Henle never used Score. They have, or used to have, a  
much more complex system called Amadeus. I have no idea whether this is  
still being used, but it certainly was when they contacted me asking me  
to take my webpage down (which was a guide on how to get Henle-like  
output with Finale). I was told by the person that they did use Finale  
on occasion, but most of their output was done on Amadeus.


I had heard what I said before and then saw that mail that confirmed it,  
but of course I can't make a stronger case than this.



I do know that what you said about Henle is true for Schott, perhaps you  
got the two mixed up. I have briefly worked for Schott in the past, and  
they had more or less abandoned Score and switched to Sibelius for  
in-house production, but also allowed Finale for external engravers. I  
handed in the material as Schott, using their font and templates. I  
believe they had in-house people going over it.


No, I really meant what I wrote. But I can confirm that Schott uses  
sibelius, I worked on something from them through an "employer" of mine.

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[Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Marcello Noia]

Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader, what 
can I use to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did not create 
it, I got it as it is. I need that to send single pages via e-mail.

Thank you

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 31.01.2008 dc wrote:

Johannes Gebauer écrit:

On 30.01.2008 João Miguel Pais wrote:

I don't know about Bärenreiter, but I know that Henle went from Score to 
Sibelius (and maybe finale): Joachim Linckelmann (the person in charge of the 
german version of sibelius and responsible for Notensatzdienst Freiburg, which 
you find many times in the previous list) worked on the font himself, as he 
reports in http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/sibelius-music-german/message/4157 
(yahoo german sibelius list, I guess you might have to be signed in and read 
german to understand it).


I really don't think any of this is true (concerning Henle). To the best of my 
knowledge Henle never used Score. They have, or used to have, a much more 
complex system called Amadeus. I have no idea whether this is still being used, 
but it certainly was when they contacted me asking me to take my webpage down 
(which was a guide on how to get Henle-like output with Finale). I was told by 
the person that they did use Finale on occasion, but most of their output was 
done on Amadeus.

I rather doubt that they could be using Sibelius these days, but since I don't 
know the latest versions of Sibelius I can't tell. Earlier versions were simply 
not capable to produce certain in-house standards which Henle uses (especially 
beams). That may well have changed.


If you have a look at the message João Miguel refers to, you'll see that, 
contrary to what he says, it concerns indeed Bärenreiter and not Henle nor 
Schott.


Sorry, but he says "I don't know about Bärenreiter, but I know Henle 
went...", that seemed pretty clear to me, no?


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RE: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Richard Yates]

>Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the 
>reader, what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF 
>document (I did not create it, I got it as it is. I need that 
>to send single pages via e-mail.

Get inexpensive pdf producing software. I recommend the $40 'Convert To PDF
1.0' ( http://www.peernet.com/convert-to-pdf/index.html ). Open the file in
Acrobat Reader and print to the converter with the option set to make
separate pages. 

(...or send me the file and I will return it as separate pages using this
method.)

Richard Yates 
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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 31.01.2008 dc wrote:

Johannes Gebauer écrit:

 (I don't think any of the examples use this font, but the items on Lulu do.)


What do you think of Lulu now that you've published a few pieces there?


Nothing in particular so far, as I haven't sold a single one. Using it 
is easy enough, but it really isn't ideal for anything but scores, plus 
the choice of formats and paper is not ideal for music.


I really hope they will make it possible to bundle several booklets for 
parts, and give us bigger than A4 formats. If they also give us a choice 
of slightly yellowish paper it would be perfect.


However, one has to be aware that delivery takes a long time, at least 
in Europe, and postage is expensive.


If someone offered a kind of service like CDBaby, only for music, I 
would not hesitate to use them, so here is your market niche if you want it.


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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[Jari Williamsson]

João Miguel Pais wrote:
But I can confirm that Schott uses 
sibelius, I worked on something from them through an "employer" of mine.


AFAIK, Schott editions are produced with SCORE, Finale, Sibelius and 
PriMus? But I fail to see why this is important.



Best regards,

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Re: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Hans Swinnen]

Extracting parts from a .pdf is impossible AFAIK.
I see only two solutions:
1. scanning the pdf doc to an XML file and import this into a new  
Finale file, thus making a new score or

2. another hard way: remake the whole thing from scratch by hand.

Sorry to be of little help

Hans

Op 31-jan-08, om 14:34 heeft Marcello Noia het volgende geschreven:

Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader,  
what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did  
not create it, I got it as it is. I need that to send single pages  
via e-mail.

Thank you

Marcello
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Re: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Hans Swinnen]

Marcello,
Sorry, I've misread your question.

If you're on a Mac I can suggest PDFpen.
Hans

You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap.



Op 31-jan-08, om 15:29 heeft Hans Swinnen het volgende geschreven:


Extracting parts from a .pdf is impossible AFAIK.
I see only two solutions:
1. scanning the pdf doc to an XML file and import this into a new  
Finale file, thus making a new score or

2. another hard way: remake the whole thing from scratch by hand.

Sorry to be of little help

Hans

Op 31-jan-08, om 14:34 heeft Marcello Noia het volgende geschreven:

Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader,  
what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did  
not create it, I got it as it is. I need that to send single pages  
via e-mail.

Thank you

Marcello
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[Finale] Default File

[YATESLAWRENCE]

Hi all,
 
I am using WinFin2006c
 
I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line width) for  the 
default file which opens every time I create a new file with the file  wizard.
 
I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)
 
If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  The  programme 
options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I can't  find it 
listed.
 
I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting nowhere  fast 
this afternoon!
 
Thanks,
 
Lawrence
 
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RE: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDFdocument

[Owain Sutton]

Instead of inexpensive, why not do it for free?!   Ghostscript and
GSview/MacGSview - http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/


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> Subject: RE: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a 
> multi-page PDFdocument
> 
> 
> >Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the
> >reader, what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF 
> >document (I did not create it, I got it as it is. I need that 
> >to send single pages via e-mail.
> 
> Get inexpensive pdf producing software. I recommend the $40 
> 'Convert To PDF 1.0' ( 
> http://www.peernet.com/convert-to-pdf/index.html ). Open the 
> file in Acrobat Reader and print to the converter with the 
> option set to make separate pages. 
> 
> (...or send me the file and I will return it as separate 
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> method.)
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Re: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[themark]

Thanks for hints, I had the solution under my (big) nose and did not see 
it. I already had installed Cute PDF driver to sort PDF's out of Finale 
works, so I had simply to open the big PDF file with any reader, go to 
the page(s) I want to extract and select Cute PDF driver for printing 
giving the name I want and voilà, I had my single page or group of pages 
extracted.

Thanks again.

Richard Yates ha scritto:
Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the 
reader, what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF 
document (I did not create it, I got it as it is. I need that 
to send single pages via e-mail.



Get inexpensive pdf producing software. I recommend the $40 'Convert To PDF
1.0' ( http://www.peernet.com/convert-to-pdf/index.html ). Open the file in
Acrobat Reader and print to the converter with the option set to make
separate pages. 


(...or send me the file and I will return it as separate pages using this
method.)

Richard Yates 
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Re: [Finale] Default File

[Christopher Smith]

Lawrence,

It's in the Component Files folder. This is the file that the program  
reads when you use the Setup Wizard.


Version 2008 allows you to use ANY file as a default, which is very  
nice indeed! Except that I keep getting corrupted files when I use  
it. 8-(


Christopher


On 31-Jan-08, at 10:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi all,

I am using WinFin2006c

I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line  
width) for  the
default file which opens every time I create a new file with the  
file  wizard.


I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)

If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  The   
programme
options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I  
can't  find it

listed.

I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting  
nowhere  fast

this afternoon!

Thanks,

Lawrence

lawrenceyates.co.uk


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RE: [Finale] Default File

[Richard Yates]

Lawrence, 

Go to 'Program Options - New', to see where the default file is and what it
is named. Save changes there using the same name (use the .FTM suffix).

Cousin Richard

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>
>Hi all,
> 
>I am using WinFin2006c
> 
>I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line 
>width) for  the default file which opens every time I create a 
>new file with the file  wizard.
> 
>I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)
> 
>If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  
>The  programme options would suggest that it's in the general 
>templates, but I can't  find it listed.
> 
>I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am 
>getting nowhere  fast this afternoon!
> 
>Thanks,
> 
>Lawrence
> 
>lawrenceyates.co.uk
>
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Default File

[Cecil Rigby]

I found mine in the Components folder

-Cecil Rigby
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  Subject: [Finale] Default File


  Hi all,
   
  I am using WinFin2006c
   
  I want to change the settings (eg bar line width, ledger line width) for  the 
  default file which opens every time I create a new file with the file  wizard.
   
  I thought this was the Maestro Default file (Am I correct in  this?)
   
  If i am, then could someone please tell me where to find it.  The  programme 
  options would suggest that it's in the general templates, but I can't  find 
it 
  listed.
   
  I did this before in a earlier version of Finale but am getting nowhere  fast 
  this afternoon!
   
  Thanks,
   
  Lawrence
   
  lawrenceyates.co.uk



 
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Re: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Johannes Gebauer]

On 31.01.2008 Marcello Noia wrote:

Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader, what can I use 
to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did not create it, I got it as 
it is. I need that to send single pages via e-mail.


Mac or Win? Ghostscript comes to mind, or a number of freeware applications.

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[Finale] Pen tablets

[Pierre Bailleul]

Hi all,
Do you think it's easy and practical to use a tablet pen with finale?
- Instead of a mouse?
- or with a mouse?
Thanks for your responses.  
Pierre.
(Wacom intuos or another one?)
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Re: [Finale] Default File

[YATESLAWRENCE]

Thanks to all - found it in "components" as suggested.
 
Cheers,
 
Lawrence
 
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Re: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Michael Cook]

On a Mac all you need is the system software:

1. Open PDF.
2. Choose "print".
3. In the Print dialog choose the page (or page range) you want.
4. Choose "Save as PDF".

Michael

On 31 Jan 2008, at 14:34, Marcello Noia wrote:

Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader,  
what can I use to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did  
not create it, I got it as it is. I need that to send single pages  
via e-mail.

Thank you

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[Finale] Andrew Stiller?

[Darcy James Argue]

Hello all,

Has anyone heard anything further regarding Andrew's health?

- Darcy
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[Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[jerry kalaf]

does anyone have any ideas about this. I'm on a G5 w/10.4.11 and have  
been using 2008 for months. nothing has been installed or changed.  
the program quits as the splash screen is done initializing midi and  
long enough to re-establish preferences. by the way I have removed  
preferences and receipts and re-installed the program.


thanks,


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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Eric Dannewitz]

Hmm. Check disk permissions? Have any sudden computer shutdowns (like power
outage)? You might want to boot into the OS X shell (boot while holding down
the Apple and the S key) and run the thing it suggests in the startup
screen.

On 1/31/08, jerry kalaf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> does anyone have any ideas about this. I'm on a G5 w/10.4.11 and have
> been using 2008 for months. nothing has been installed or changed.
> the program quits as the splash screen is done initializing midi and
> long enough to re-establish preferences. by the way I have removed
> preferences and receipts and re-installed the program.
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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[A-NO-NE Music]

Eric Dannewitz / 08.1.31 / 3:55 PM wrote:

>Hmm. Check disk permissions? 

Y'know, OSX permission issue is kinda things in the past now.  Tiger
remedied a log of that issue, and the only chance you screw up
permission badly is when you install legacy software.

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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[A-NO-NE Music]

jerry kalaf / 08.1.31 / 3:18 PM wrote:

>does anyone have any ideas about this. I'm on a G5 w/10.4.11 and have  
>been using 2008 for months. nothing has been installed or changed.  
>the program quits as the splash screen is done initializing midi and  
>long enough to re-establish preferences. by the way I have removed  
>preferences and receipts and re-installed the program.

Do you have MOTU or M-Audio audio interface?  Does the crash log sez
errors on HAL?  I think 2008a patch fixed this problem.  Even though I
have MOTU hardware, I never experienced this problem, while I have known
about it for a while.

"Initializing MIDI" message isn't related, by the way.

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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Eric Dannewitz]

Funny, cause a lot of companies recommend doing this. In fact, M-Audio
had be do this with some driver issues I had in 10.4.11, and it
cleared up the problem.

On 1/31/08, A-NO-NE Music <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Dannewitz / 08.1.31 / 3:55 PM wrote:
>
> >Hmm. Check disk permissions?
>
> Y'know, OSX permission issue is kinda things in the past now.  Tiger
> remedied a log of that issue, and the only chance you screw up
> permission badly is when you install legacy software.
>
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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Eric Dannewitz]

Nope. Not pre-Tiger at all.

They also recommended, if the Disk Utility did not clear up the
problem, downloading the 10.4.11 combo update and to reinstall that.

Regardless, DiskUtility does find little things wrong, and it's not a
bad idea to run it if you start having issues. It is also a good idea
to boot into the shell (Apple-S on startup), and run fsck every now
and then, especially if things get wonky.

The Apple-S thing cleared up a strange DP5 saving thing I was getting,
as well as a strange, every now and then, spinning mouse in Finale. I
believe it found minor issues in the Volume Bit Map if I remember
correctly.

On 1/31/08, A-NO-NE Music <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Dannewitz / 08.1.31 / 4:41 PM wrote:
>
> >Funny, cause a lot of companies recommend doing this. In fact, M-Audio
> >had be do this with some driver issues I had in 10.4.11, and it
> >cleared up the problem.
>
> Well, this is how it goes.
> If the vender used Apple installer, it will leave a Receipt package,
> which is a database of install activity.  If something goes wrong
> permission wise, DiskUtil looks up on the database and correct the
> errors to where files were installed originally.  OS components has the
> same skill sets.
>
> If a vendor used bad installer such as legacy VISEX, the installer
> itself changes permissions of OS components around.  This is why we
> always had to run repair permission before and after you run installer
> especially if you detect the installer was VISEX.  Finale used to use
> VISEX.  In my vague memory, they don't use it anymore.
>
> Over the time, VISEX has improved, while many developers also abandoned
> VISEX, and Tiger has improved to prevent from VISEX to change
> permissions around.
>
> I wonder what M-Audio installer messed your OSX up.  If M-Audio
> installed just a driver, I am not sure where the installer changed the
> permission since driver is only kext file sudo cp to Lib.
>
> Are you sure companies recommending repair permission isn't pre-Tiger?
>
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>
> - Hiro
>
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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[A-NO-NE Music]

Eric Dannewitz / 08.1.31 / 4:41 PM wrote:

>Funny, cause a lot of companies recommend doing this. In fact, M-Audio
>had be do this with some driver issues I had in 10.4.11, and it
>cleared up the problem.

Well, this is how it goes.
If the vender used Apple installer, it will leave a Receipt package,
which is a database of install activity.  If something goes wrong
permission wise, DiskUtil looks up on the database and correct the
errors to where files were installed originally.  OS components has the
same skill sets.

If a vendor used bad installer such as legacy VISEX, the installer
itself changes permissions of OS components around.  This is why we
always had to run repair permission before and after you run installer
especially if you detect the installer was VISEX.  Finale used to use
VISEX.  In my vague memory, they don't use it anymore.

Over the time, VISEX has improved, while many developers also abandoned
VISEX, and Tiger has improved to prevent from VISEX to change
permissions around.

I wonder what M-Audio installer messed your OSX up.  If M-Audio
installed just a driver, I am not sure where the installer changed the
permission since driver is only kext file sudo cp to Lib.

Are you sure companies recommending repair permission isn't pre-Tiger?

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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Dick Hauser]

On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:18 PM, jerry kalaf wrote:

does anyone have any ideas about this. I'm on a G5 w/10.4.11 and  
have been using 2008 for months. nothing has been installed or  
changed. the program quits as the splash screen is done  
initializing midi and long enough to re-establish preferences. by  
the way I have removed preferences and receipts and re-installed  
the program.


I'm sorry to say that I don't have any ideas about this.  I've not  
been able to get 2008(a) to run on my computer.  I gave up after a  
month of following the reasonable advice of others on this list and  
of the tech support at MM.  Refer to Case: 070920-000411 if you  
contact them.  It seemed to me that it had to do with the interface  
of core audio, the motu pci card that I use (and its software  
drivers) with MM.  Hiro even went so far at one point as to install  
an identical card on one of his computers to try to replicate, but  
had no success.  He spent a lot of time on it too.  I went as far as  
to copy my system to a different disk and then from there did a  
complete format and install of a new system.  F2008 would run until I  
installed the pci software and the motu sequencer.  Since I use that  
program the most, I've decided to just stay at F2007 until something  
changes.  Interesting that you had it working for a while and then it  
stopped.  Others that use the motu gear and software on this list  
have no problems, so it's not a simple thing.  Let us know how you  
make out.


Best of Luck

Dick H

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2408 MkII   4  Gig
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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Bob Morabito]

I cant get F2008a either to work..the case has  been with support now  
for a little over 6 weeks-Ive sent crash logs, screen shots, etc
(tho on a very few days  it DID work, using the same files..never  
could figure out why..)


they said it has to do with MOTU midi interfaces, and drivers..I  
contacted them also, reinstalled updated drivers, but nothing has  
helped.
It also has left the launch window just about blank. except for the  
name of a midi piece, and Music XML.


It gets thru the mid file import window, and then crashes with the  
spinning notehead.


They also had me send them 2 of my fonts--and the crash log always  
looks the same


Heres the start of it-


Date/Time:  2008-01-31 19:02:14.085 -0500
OS Version: 10.4.10 (Build 8R4031)
Report Version: 4

Command: Finale 2008
Path:/Applications/Finale 2008/Finale 2008.app/Contents/MacOS/ 
Finale 2008

Parent:  WindowServer [62]

Version: 13.0a.r1 (13.0a.r1)

PID:498
Thread: 0

Exception:  EXC_ARITHMETIC (0x0003)
Codes:  EXC_I386_DIV (divide by zero)

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   com.makemusic.Finale   	0x0027c548 DrawPaper(EDC,  
EHRECT const&, EHRECT const&) + 336
1   com.makemusic.Finale   	0x0027f911  
MusicView::update_NoteWindow(



This morning they advised me to totally uninstall it, and reinstall..

Thanks

Peace.Bob Morabito


Intel Core 2 Duo Imac 2.4 Ghz
4 gig RAM
OS 10.4.10
DP 5.12
Ivory
On Jan 31, 2008, at 5:30 PM, Dick Hauser wrote:



On Jan 31, 2008, at 12:18 PM, jerry kalaf wrote:

does anyone have any ideas about this. I'm on a G5 w/10.4.11 and  
have been using 2008 for months. nothing has been installed or  
changed. the program quits as the splash screen is done  
initializing midi and long enough to re-establish preferences. by  
the way I have removed preferences and receipts and re-installed  
the program.


I'm sorry to say that I don't have any ideas about this.  I've not  
been able to get 2008(a) to run on my computer.  I gave up after a  
month of following the reasonable advice of others on this list and  
of the tech support at MM.  Refer to Case: 070920-000411 if you  
contact them.  It seemed to me that it had to do with the interface  
of core audio, the motu pci card that I use (and its software  
drivers) with MM.  Hiro even went so far at one point as to install  
an identical card on one of his computers to try to replicate, but  
had no success.  He spent a lot of time on it too.  I went as far  
as to copy my system to a different disk and then from there did a  
complete format and install of a new system.  F2008 would run until  
I installed the pci software and the motu sequencer.  Since I use  
that program the most, I've decided to just stay at F2007 until  
something changes.  Interesting that you had it working for a while  
and then it stopped.  Others that use the motu gear and software on  
this list have no problems, so it's not a simple thing.  Let us  
know how you make out.


Best of Luck

Dick H

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2408 MkII   4  Gig
MTPAV   OSX 10.4.11
MorpheusDP 5.13
DMPro   Clockworks v 1.51
Cuemix Console v 1.42
PCI Audio Midi Set up v 1.31

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[João Miguel Pais]

But I can confirm that Schott uses sibelius, I worked on something from  
them through an "employer" of mine.


AFAIK, Schott editions are produced with SCORE, Finale, Sibelius and  
PriMus? But I fail to see why this is important.


well, the subject was about if major publishers (first one, then others)  
use other programs than score, so I guess you contributed to it.

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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[A-NO-NE Music]

Eric Dannewitz / 08.1.31 / 5:11 PM wrote:

>They also recommended, if the Disk Utility did not clear up the
>problem, downloading the 10.4.11 combo update and to reinstall that.

That's a two different issues.  You don't want to apply OS update with
Software Update because it isn't complete.  You always want to do Combo
update.  Besides, as David mentioned for Windows, you do want to
download updater and store it.

>Regardless, DiskUtility does find little things wrong, and it's not a
>bad idea to run it if you start having issues.

After Tiger, if DiskUtil is keep reporting different permission errors,
something is wrong with your OS.  There are only few that are known and
harmless, like ADR under Leo, which you should ignore.  Permission
errors on log files are also harmless, but this often happens.

> It is also a good idea
>to boot into the shell (Apple-S on startup), and run fsck every now
>and then, especially if things get wonky.

Sorry but I don't agree.  If you want to check your disk, you should
boot from the installer DVD and run DiskUtil, which is the same fsck
command anyway, but running disk check from 3rd disk is always better
than running off the same target disk.

Also fsck is just a sanity check.  It stands for File System ChecK. 
When it reports error, it is usually too late.  Disk Warrior is
something which should be used to keep the HD health.

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Re: [Finale] O.T. Barenreiter? How do they do it?

[João Miguel Pais]

No, I really meant what I wrote. But I can confirm that Schott uses
sibelius, I worked on something from them through an "employer" of mine.


But the Yahoo message you refer to clearly mentions Bärenreiter and not  
Henle... Go have a look at it.


yeah it's true, I guess I confused them in the first place
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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Dick Hauser]

On Jan 31, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Bob Morabito wrote:



This morning they advised me to totally uninstall it, and reinstall..


MM tech support told me that Finale did not have an "uninstaller".   
Did they give you any information about how to do the uninstall?


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Re: [Finale] finale 2008a quits on start up

[Bob Morabito]

 This is what they sent me--


Crash on Midi Import [Case: 071213-000372]



Discussion Thread
 Response (Scott H.)
01/30/2008 07:49 AM
Dear Robert,

I have not been able to reproduce the issue right now. I am still  
trying many things to see what might be happening. Have you tried  
removing everything Finale and then reinstalling it again? I would  
try this at this time since I am unable to reproduce on my machine.  
First Quit Finale.


1. Drag the Finale Icon and Applications folder to the trash
2. Remove any Dock icons and shortcuts on your desktop to the trash
3. Delete your Preferences: How to reset your Finale Preferences on  
Mac OSX
Answer Link: http://makemusic.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/makemusic.cfg/ 
php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=193&p_created=1171291896


4. Go to the MAC HD -->LIBRARY -->AUDIO -->PLUGINS -->COMPONENTS  
and remove the "Kontakt Player 2.component", and  
"Ambience.component" what else do you have here?

5. Restart your computer and th en reinstall Finale from the disc(s)

Scott H.
MakeMusic Customer Support


On Jan 31, 2008, at 7:54 PM, Dick Hauser wrote:



On Jan 31, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Bob Morabito wrote:



This morning they advised me to totally uninstall it, and reinstall..


MM tech support told me that Finale did not have an "uninstaller".   
Did they give you any information about how to do the uninstall?


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Re: [Finale] Pen tablets

[Carl Dershem]

Pierre Bailleul wrote:

Hi all,
Do you think it's easy and practical to use a tablet pen with finale?
- Instead of a mouse?
- or with a mouse?
Thanks for your responses.  
Pierre.

(Wacom intuos or another one?)


I have a Wacom tablet, but really don't find it any more convenient to 
use than my mouse, and it takes up more desktop space.


cd
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Re: [Finale] Pen tablets

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Pierre Bailleul wrote, on 1/31/2008 11:45 AM:

Do you think it's easy and practical to use a tablet pen with finale?
- Instead of a mouse?
- or with a mouse?


I have the Wacom Intuos II, and use it for some tasks in Finale. It's 
great for stretching slurs and lines and moving objects more easily than 
with a mouse (I also have a mouse and left-hand trackball ... different 
tools for different tasks). Other than being a little more comfortable 
in my hands, I could live without it in Finale (but not in graphics 
programs, since it's a pressure-sensitive tablet).


It would be best if Finale actually recognized notation input, but I 
doubt that will happen any time soon!


Dennis

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Re: [Finale] Pen tablets

[Leigh Daniels]

I use a Wacom Intuos 3  PTZ-630 with Finale and love it. It has
programmable buttons on each side of the tablet along with 2 ribbon
controllers which are great for zooming.

I'd say I use the pen 60 or 70 percent of my time working with Finale.

I like being able to use the pen instead of the mouse because it's less
work for me than the mouse. The pen also uses a different set of muscles
than the mouse so I can rest the mouse muscles while using the pen.

**Leigh

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008, Pierre Bailleul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi all,
>Do you think it's easy and practical to use a tablet pen with finale?
>- Instead of a mouse?
>- or with a mouse?
>Thanks for your responses.  
>Pierre.
>(Wacom intuos or another one?)
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[Finale] Accessing Read Only files from disc

[John Hughes]

Dear Members,

I have a number of backup  files on CDs going back to 2000. I haven't needed to 
access them before now, but when I did I found that they were "read only" 
files. I have no idea how they became read only files, but if I can't access 
them it will be extremely hard to take.

I'm hoping that one of you wizards will be able to help me here, and suggest 
some possible way of accessing them.

Many thanks in advance.

John Hughes
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Re: [Finale] OT - Extracting single pages from a multi-page PDF document

[Bruce K H Kau]

Marcello,

Try pdf tools at http://www.sheelapps.com. Does basic manipulations, 
including, I think what you want, and it's free.


Hans Swinnen wrote:

Extracting parts from a .pdf is impossible AFAIK.
I see only two solutions:
1. scanning the pdf doc to an XML file and import this into a new Finale 
file, thus making a new score or

2. another hard way: remake the whole thing from scratch by hand.

Sorry to be of little help

Hans

Op 31-jan-08, om 14:34 heeft Marcello Noia het volgende geschreven:

Hi, not having the whole Adobe PDF software but only the reader, what 
can I use to extract single pages from a PDF document (I did not 
create it, I got it as it is. I need that to send single pages via 
e-mail.

Thank you

Marcello
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Re: [Finale] Pen tablets

[Bruce K H Kau]

Funny, I was wondering the same thing about the tablet PCs where you 
scribble on the screen. Any one use those (e.g., the Toshiba)?


Leigh Daniels wrote:

I use a Wacom Intuos 3  PTZ-630 with Finale and love it. It has
programmable buttons on each side of the tablet along with 2 ribbon
controllers which are great for zooming.

I'd say I use the pen 60 or 70 percent of my time working with Finale.

I like being able to use the pen instead of the mouse because it's less
work for me than the mouse. The pen also uses a different set of muscles
than the mouse so I can rest the mouse muscles while using the pen.

**Leigh

On Thu, Jan 31, 2008, Pierre Bailleul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi all,
Do you think it's easy and practical to use a tablet pen with finale?
- Instead of a mouse?
- or with a mouse?
Thanks for your responses.  
Pierre.

(Wacom intuos or another one?)
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Re: [Finale] Accessing Read Only files from disc

[Darcy James Argue]

Hi John,

Any file you access from a CD-ROM will be read-only. You must copy it  
to your HD to make it read-writable.


Cheers,

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On 31 Jan 2008, at 10:40 PM, John Hughes wrote:


Dear Members,

I have a number of backup  files on CDs going back to 2000. I  
haven't needed to access them before now, but when I did I found  
that they were "read only" files. I have no idea how they became  
read only files, but if I can't access them it will be extremely  
hard to take.


I'm hoping that one of you wizards will be able to help me here, and  
suggest some possible way of accessing them.


Many thanks in advance.

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Re: [Finale] Accessing Read Only files from disc

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

John Hughes wrote, on 1/31/2008 10:40 PM:

I have a number of backup  files on CDs going back to 2000. I haven't needed to access 
them before now, but when I did I found that they were "read only" files. I 
have no idea how they became read only files, but if I can't access them it will be 
extremely hard to take.


When they are copied onto CD, they become read-only.

Copy them back to your hard drive, right-click on the file(s), choose 
"properties", and UNcheck "read only".


Dennis

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RE: [Finale] Accessing Read Only files from disc

[Williams, Jim]

John,
Files are automatically converted to read-only when they are burned to CD. 
Assuming you have Win XP, do the following:
 
1. Create a folder on your HD.
2. Copy all your Finale files from the CD into the folder you just created. If 
the files are in separate folders, they can stay in the separate folders.
3. After the Finale files are in the new folder you created, right-click on the 
new folder and choose "properties."
4. The "general" tab should be showing. Near the bottom you will see a checkbox 
"Read-only." It may be highlighted or checked. Uncheck it or un-highlight it so 
it is **empty**.
5. Edit away on your Finale files.
 
I honestly forget if 98 has the same function, but there is a utility called 
CROA that you can find at:
http://davidcrowell.com/archive/2007/03/11/Croa.aspx
CROA is for Clear Read-Only Attribute.
If you have XP, though, I'd use my steps above
 



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To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: [Finale] Accessing Read Only files from disc



Dear Members,

I have a number of backup  files on CDs going back to 2000. I haven't needed to 
access them before now, but when I did I found that they were "read only" 
files. I have no idea how they became read only files, but if I can't access 
them it will be extremely hard to take.

I'm hoping that one of you wizards will be able to help me here, and suggest 
some possible way of accessing them.

Many thanks in advance.

John Hughes
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