Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread dhbailey

Richard Yates wrote:

 >Looks like Engraver Slurs are finally fixed:

Sure if that's what they mean by "fine-tuned" and "improved" :-)


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Haven't they said that about Engraver Slurs in the past couple of releases?

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread dhbailey

Richard Yates wrote:
 

 >Looks like Engraver Slurs are finally fixed:

Sure if that's what they mean by "fine-tuned" and "improved" :-)

Well, it specifically says "edits made at high view 
percentages always produce the same results when viewed at 
100% and when printed", which sure sounds like that 
longstanding and very annoying bug has been fixed.


I was commenting on their euphemistic language. 


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"Fine-tuned and improved" doesn't carry any admission of them being 
broken, the way a claim of "We've fixed the annoying problems with 
Engraver Slurs" would have done.


In any event, if they really do what the PR claims, it'll be a great 
improvement!


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Re: [Finale] copying from existing file to make condensed scores

2008-07-10 Thread Patrick Sheehan

Hi David and Don,

I thought of both of your suggestions while I was enduring this problem, as 
in, copying the full score file and taking out what I needed.  I do my 
condensed score (although I despise them) with the solo line, saxs, 
trumpets, trombones, and rhythm, equaling a 5-staff system, with two systems 
on each page.  Anyhow, what seemed to be making it catch was the human 
playback, so I just turned that off, then it worked fine.  I don't mind if 
the HP doesn't work on a condensed score; I DO want it to work on full 
scores, and of course that already does -- so now I know what to do for the 
future.


DAVID:  I've inserted the signature on both scores and at the bottom of all 
parts...its being put to good use, and it will always be!  Thanks again!


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Don Hart wrote:

Hi Patrick,

I'm not sure what all needs to be done for your condensed score.  Seems 
it

might help if you tried doing a 'save as' of the complete score and
move/combine things as needed for your new file.  At least the solo would 
be
in place, and if the full score plays back, chances are this new file 
should

as well.



I agree that using a copy of the score and then editing the copy would be 
the best for a condensed score.


Of course, there are different sorts of condensations, so it may or may 
not be possible to do what Patrick wants using the built-in tools.


If Patrick is looking for a condensed score where there is the solo line, 
then all the saxes on one staff, all the trumpets on a second staff, all 
the trombones on another, then using the built-in tools would work fine to 
end up with a condensed score.


If on the other hand he wants to end up with a piano/solo score, I think 
that would have to be done by hand, but it could still be done using a 
copy of the existing score, maintaining playable as the work went along.


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[Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Patrick Sheehan
Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?  How many of you will stay 
with '08?  Let the discussion begin!


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Cecil Rigby
How many haven't left 2006 yet?!!

I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver slurs really *do* work now...

-Cecil Rigby
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  Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?  How many of you will stay 
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Lora Crighton
Well, I'm still using '06, so it's probably time for
me to upgrade.

--- Patrick Sheehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Anyone see any features worth working with in '09? 
> How many of you will stay with '08?  Let the
> discussion begin!
> 
> 
> Patrick J. M. Sheehan
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>Centennial Auditorium, Music Director & Conductor
>P.S. Music
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> - 12 a.m.,
>  streaming live at WNIJ.org
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RE: [Finale] Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread Fisher, Allen
Make sure you tell customer support that.


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>I looked further for my own sake just now, and not having upgraded to
>2K8 will cost me an extra $50.  I don't think so.  That's an
>offer I CAN and will refuse.

Same here. Sticking with 2007.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Jari Williamsson

Patrick Sheehan wrote:
Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?  


Yes.


Best regards,

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Lora Crighton

--- Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How many haven't left 2006 yet?!!
> 
> I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver
> slurs really *do* work now...
> 

That's why I'm thinking of ugrading.

> -Cecil Rigby
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> 
>   Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?
>  How many of you will stay with '08?
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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Thu, July 10, 2008 11:05 am, Lora Crighton wrote:
> --- Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I might be convinced to upgrade if the Engraver
>> slurs really *do* work now...
>
> That's why I'm thinking of ugrading.

If other vector features worked, then I'd really pay attention! I'm
talking Shape Designer -- a feature very important to the work I do. It's
clumsy (unimproved in what, 15 years?), buggy, non-WYSIWYG (like the
Engraver Slurs) and feature-starved.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Chris Bell
Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?  How many of you  
will stay with '08?  Let the discussion begin!


I'll upgrade, but keep 2008 working in parallel until I'm comfortable  
with 09.
I use 2008 on a daily basis, both in teaching as well as my personal  
composition/arrangements/whatever and I can only say how pleased I am  
to the stability as well as the functionality, it's such a shift from  
the earlier versions.


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Randolph Peters

Patrick Sheehan queried:

Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?


Even though I see important functions that don't seem to be addressed 
(fixing and improving linked parts, for example), this upgrade 
doesn't seem to have too much added fluff.  The improvements in the 
way we can work with expressions is one I've been dreaming about for 
years.


Of course, we'll have to wait and see how well it actually works. It 
often takes a few versions to weed out the worst bugs.


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[Finale] Re: Finale 2009 announced

2008-07-10 Thread David Froom

On 10 Jul 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Naturally, nothing is mentioned yet about fixing what's currently
wrong or requiring kludgy workarounds, particularly with linked
parts.  I'm still on 2K7 and there's a lot of swearing at my Mac every
time I work in Finale.


How about linked parts now allowing the breaking up of tutti parts  
(that is, two parts on a single line in score being represented in  
the linked parts as two separate parts).  That alone had me avoiding  
using linked parts altogether.  They seem to have fixed other things  
in linked parts that would mean not having to have a separate score  
for parts -- though why they allow unlinking of enharmonic changes is  
beyond me, as every conductor I know wants to see exactly what the  
players see.


The "fixed" engraver slurs with the promise of true WYSIWYG, the  
changing of the dynamics on the fly, dragging dynamics to new notes  
making them reassign, easy cross-staff notation in piano writing, the  
expanded contextual (right click or contrl-click) menu, the sorting  
of expressions, the multiple page editing, improved Garritan -- these  
all seem significant to me.  Also allowing VST/SmartSynth instruments  
alongside Garritan.  Maybe I finally can use Finale for decent audio  
playback (if I can only work out an easy way to do orchestral  
percussion).


The stuff for educators (Smart Music, boomwhackers) seems silly to  
me.  Finale is overkill for these folks.  Also, working with or  
recording an audio file also seems like a dumb addition.  For that, I  
would use DP or ProTools, since the MIDI in both of them is vastly  
more easily controlled and tweaked. But they must have had requests  
for all of these.


BTW, I am still on 2007.  This one actually looks pretty good to me.

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Carolyn Bremer
I saw Tom Carruth demo '09 on Tuesday. He said there were things they
still needed to fix with linked parts. Duh. I told him that linked
parts weren't useful for most composers and he countered with how
useful they were for those using Smart Music. Clearly, that's where
the main thrust of features/upgrades/fixes will be generated because
it is what is making money for them now. I can't argue with their
business model, but it is frustrating for the professional user.

Still, the new expression tool looks absolutely wonderful. Make one
global setting per category and everything you drag into the category
takes on those settings. Rehearsal numbers, tempo markings, whatever.
It looks like they're going to that model for several tools
(expressions, for example) and that someday (2011?) we may use only a
couple of different dialog boxes.

For those who prefer to use samples as their sounds, the new Aria
engine in place of the Kontakt 2 player should offer better stability
with Leopard and it will allow almost any sample to be used with
Finale. To me, all of the options sound too far from reality to be
useful, so I stick with the fast, generic softsyth. Because it is so
bad, it always makes me imagine the real sound.

I asked about Speedy Entry. Tom said that they will not do away with
it until it can be folded into Simple Entry with exactly the same
behavior as it currently has. The main difference for some of us
composers is that Simple works as Duration then Pitch and Speedy works
as Pitch then Duration. I think in Pitch then Duration, so the switch
to working in Simple has been impossible for me, even though there are
other great benefits.

In my book, the expression tool alone is worth the upgrade.

-Carolyn Bremer
Associate Chair, Cole Conservatory of Music
Area Director, Composition and Theory
California State University, Long Beach


On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Randolph Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Patrick Sheehan queried:
>>
>> Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?
>
> Even though I see important functions that don't seem to be addressed
> (fixing and improving linked parts, for example), this upgrade doesn't seem
> to have too much added fluff.  The improvements in the way we can work with
> expressions is one I've been dreaming about for years.
>
> Of course, we'll have to wait and see how well it actually works. It often
> takes a few versions to weed out the worst bugs.
>
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[Finale] Re: Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread Bob Shuster
No mention of this fixing audio output with Firewire interfaces on  
Intel Macs (left channel only since Finale 2008) - but perhaps the  
whole AU plug-in compatibility thing will fix it?

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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz

Staying with 2007 thanks

Patrick Sheehan wrote:

Anyone see any features worth working with in '09?  How many of you will stay 
with '08?  Let the discussion begin!


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009 Announced

2008-07-10 Thread Robert Patterson
The word in the description for the new expression tool that bothers
me the most is "rewritten". Often, "rewritten" means it could have
very poor support for upgrading existing Finale files.

I would be very unlikely to adopt Fin09 if it forced me to re-proof
all my existing work.

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Carolyn Bremer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> In my book, the expression tool alone is worth the upgrade.
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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2009 announced

2008-07-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz

David Froom wrote:
How about linked parts now allowing the breaking up of tutti parts 
(that is, two parts on a single line in score being represented in the 
linked parts as two separate parts).  That alone had me avoiding using 
linked parts altogether.  They seem to have fixed other things in 
linked parts that would mean not having to have a separate score for 
parts -- though why they allow unlinking of enharmonic changes is 
beyond me, as every conductor I know wants to see exactly what the 
players see.


That is a great idea.


The "fixed" engraver slurs with the promise of true WYSIWYG, the 
changing of the dynamics on the fly, dragging dynamics to new notes 
making them reassign, easy cross-staff notation in piano writing, the 
expanded contextual (right click or contrl-click) menu, the sorting of 
expressions, the multiple page editing, improved Garritan -- these all 
seem significant to me.  Also allowing VST/SmartSynth instruments 
alongside Garritan.  Maybe I finally can use Finale for decent audio 
playback (if I can only work out an easy way to do orchestral 
percussion).


The stuff for educators (Smart Music, boomwhackers) seems silly to 
me.  Finale is overkill for these folks.  Also, working with or 
recording an audio file also seems like a dumb addition.  For that, I 
would use DP or ProTools, since the MIDI in both of them is vastly 
more easily controlled and tweaked. But they must have had requests 
for all of these.
SmartMusic is ok. Biggest complaint there is the sound quality. And you 
still cannot, it seems, make your own SmartMusic files with real audio 
in them.


Boomwhackers is lame. I use the TGTools Add Pitch Names ALL THE TIME for 
educational things.


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[Finale] AriaPlayer in Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread Gerry Kirk
If I read the Finale 09 release info correctly, Garritan sounds will  
use AriaPlayer rather than KontaktPlayer2. Then will KontaktPlayer2  
still be needed when opening Finale 2008-and-before files? Will 08-and- 
before files play back with the new AriaPlayer?


Also the Finale promo says: “All of Finale’s sound libraries work  
together seamlessly so that you can mix and match sounds in your  
score.” Does this mean we will now be able to mix Garritan with other  
sound samples?


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Re: [Finale] Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread J D Thomas
I feel the need to amend my last statement.  I got an email from MM  
announcing Finale 2009, and registered 2007 users can use a special  
upgrade code, F2K9U7, and get the 2009 upgrade for $100 plus s/h.


Alas, I'll still wait for the first maintenance release.  I don't like  
the idea of being a beta-tester who must pay out for the 'privilege'.



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On Jul 9, 2008, at 11:58 AM, J D Thomas wrote:


On Jul 9, 2008, at 11:39 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:


They dropped the upgrade price at leastwasn't it $120 usually?


I looked further for my own sake just now, and not having upgraded  
to 2K8 will cost me an extra $50.  I don't think so.  That's an  
offer I CAN and will refuse.




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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2009 announced

2008-07-10 Thread dhbailey

Eric Dannewitz wrote:

David Froom wrote:
How about linked parts now allowing the breaking up of tutti parts 
(that is, two parts on a single line in score being represented in the 
linked parts as two separate parts).  That alone had me avoiding using 
linked parts altogether.  They seem to have fixed other things in 
linked parts that would mean not having to have a separate score for 
parts -- though why they allow unlinking of enharmonic changes is 
beyond me, as every conductor I know wants to see exactly what the 
players see.


That is a great idea.


The "fixed" engraver slurs with the promise of true WYSIWYG, the 
changing of the dynamics on the fly, dragging dynamics to new notes 
making them reassign, easy cross-staff notation in piano writing, the 
expanded contextual (right click or contrl-click) menu, the sorting of 
expressions, the multiple page editing, improved Garritan -- these all 
seem significant to me.  Also allowing VST/SmartSynth instruments 
alongside Garritan.  Maybe I finally can use Finale for decent audio 
playback (if I can only work out an easy way to do orchestral 
percussion).


The stuff for educators (Smart Music, boomwhackers) seems silly to 
me.  Finale is overkill for these folks.  Also, working with or 
recording an audio file also seems like a dumb addition.  For that, I 
would use DP or ProTools, since the MIDI in both of them is vastly 
more easily controlled and tweaked. But they must have had requests 
for all of these.
SmartMusic is ok. Biggest complaint there is the sound quality. And you 
still cannot, it seems, make your own SmartMusic files with real audio 
in them.




Heck, you can't even USE your own SmartMusic files without paying the 
subscription fee to MakeMusic, for which they don't pay you any 
royalties for using your own music.  They pay royalties for all the 
other copyrighted music that you can use for the same subscription fee.


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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2009 announced

2008-07-10 Thread Eric Dannewitz
True...but it would be nice to see SmartMusic become smart enough to 
see that one has Garritan or something installed and use those sounds 
instead of the ones it does.


Or even better, if could render it and save it in a smart music file..

dhbailey wrote:
Heck, you can't even USE your own SmartMusic files without paying the 
subscription fee to MakeMusic, for which they don't pay you any 
royalties for using your own music.  They pay royalties for all the 
other copyrighted music that you can use for the same subscription fee.




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[Finale] Re: Finale 2009

2008-07-10 Thread Matthew Hindson fastmail account
My 2c:

The expression tool looks really good now.  Thank heavens we can resize
the box!

Ditto with the slurs.  It's frustrating as hell at the moment.

The ability to use any VST/AU instrument is good.

Was Finalescript updated for 2008?  Because the updates in this version
look excellent.

The Aria player looks interesting.  I don't quite understand it but it
looks easy to use at least.

Document styles take one of Sibelius' great features.

So it may be worth upgrading...

Matthew

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[Finale] edit system margins no longer works

2008-07-10 Thread Larry Beekman
Hi All,
My iMac G5 unfortunately got fried in a power surge, and I replaced it with
a newer Mac. The good news is that I was able to restore Finale and all my
documents with Time Machine, but now for some reason "Edit System Margins"
no longer works in Finale. The "Edit Systems" window no longer appears at
all. I am using Finale 2008b.r1. I have tried several documents and even a
new default document (that's what help at Finale suggested so far). Has
anyone else had something weird like this happen, or have any idea how to
fix it? Thanks,Larry Beekman
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Re: [Finale] Re: Finale 2009 announced

2008-07-10 Thread Darcy James Argue

On 10 Jul 2008, at 1:27 PM, David Froom wrote:


On 10 Jul 2008, at 1:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Naturally, nothing is mentioned yet about fixing what's currently
wrong or requiring kludgy workarounds, particularly with linked
parts.  I'm still on 2K7 and there's a lot of swearing at my Mac  
every

time I work in Finale.


How about linked parts now allowing the breaking up of tutti parts  
(that is, two parts on a single line in score being represented in  
the linked parts as two separate parts).


This is called voiced linked parts and it has been part of linked  
parts since they were introduced. There are, of course, some severe  
limitations. Regardless, to the best my knowledge there is no new  
linked parts functionality in Fin2009.


 though why they allow unlinking of enharmonic changes is beyond me,  
as every conductor I know wants to see exactly what the players see.


Concert pitch scores frequently require a different enharmonic  
spelling in the part vs. score.



 easy cross-staff notation in piano writing


This was in Fin2007.


the expanded contextual (right click or contrl-click) menu


This was in Fin2008.

Cheers,

- Darcy
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Brooklyn, NY




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Re: [Finale] edit system margins no longer works

2008-07-10 Thread Darcy James Argue
It's a known bug when migrating from PowerPC Mac to Intel Mac. Trash  
your Finale prefs and all will be well.


I am disappointed that MM tech support did not give you the correct  
answer, as I had assumed this problem was well-documented.


Cheers,

- Darcy
-
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Hi All,
My iMac G5 unfortunately got fried in a power surge, and I replaced  
it with
a newer Mac. The good news is that I was able to restore Finale and  
all my
documents with Time Machine, but now for some reason "Edit System  
Margins"
no longer works in Finale. The "Edit Systems" window no longer  
appears at
all. I am using Finale 2008b.r1. I have tried several documents and  
even a
new default document (that's what help at Finale suggested so far).  
Has
anyone else had something weird like this happen, or have any idea  
how to

fix it? Thanks,Larry Beekman
www.larrybeekman.com
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Re: [Finale] edit system margins no longer works

2008-07-10 Thread Larry Beekman
Thank you, Darcy! I know I should know this, but how do I trash my Finale
prefs?Larry Beekman

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> It's a known bug when migrating from PowerPC Mac to Intel Mac. Trash your
> Finale prefs and all will be well.
>
> I am disappointed that MM tech support did not give you the correct answer,
> as I had assumed this problem was well-documented.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Darcy
> -
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> Brooklyn, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10 Jul 2008, at 8:43 PM, Larry Beekman wrote:
>
>  Hi All,
>> My iMac G5 unfortunately got fried in a power surge, and I replaced it
>> with
>> a newer Mac. The good news is that I was able to restore Finale and all my
>> documents with Time Machine, but now for some reason "Edit System Margins"
>> no longer works in Finale. The "Edit Systems" window no longer appears at
>> all. I am using Finale 2008b.r1. I have tried several documents and even a
>> new default document (that's what help at Finale suggested so far). Has
>> anyone else had something weird like this happen, or have any idea how to
>> fix it? Thanks,Larry Beekman
>> www.larrybeekman.com
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Re: [Finale] edit system margins no longer works

2008-07-10 Thread cisraels
Larry,

User/Library/Preferences - scroll down to your Finale Preferences, move it to 
the trash and restart Finale.  When you have rebuilt your preferences (takes a 
little fussing), save time the next time by navigating back to where the 
preferences are kept and make a copy of the preference file (Command - D).  You 
can leave that copy of the file in place in the preferences folder and simply 
re-name it (removing the "copy" designation), if you have to trash your 
preferences again.  Works like a charm.

Chuck

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From: "Larry Beekman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

> Thank you, Darcy! I know I should know this, but how do I trash my Finale 
> prefs?Larry Beekman 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: 
> 
> > It's a known bug when migrating from PowerPC Mac to Intel Mac. Trash your 
> > Finale prefs and all will be well. 
> > 
> > I am disappointed that MM tech support did not give you the correct answer, 
> > as I had assumed this problem was well-documented. 
> > 
> > Cheers, 
> > 
> > - Darcy 
> > - 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > Brooklyn, NY 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 10 Jul 2008, at 8:43 PM, Larry Beekman wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi All, 
> >> My iMac G5 unfortunately got fried in a power surge, and I replaced it 
> >> with 
> >> a newer Mac. The good news is that I was able to restore Finale and all my 
> >> documents with Time Machine, but now for some reason "Edit System Margins" 
> >> no longer works in Finale. The "Edit Systems" window no longer appears at 
> >> all. I am using Finale 2008b.r1. I have tried several documents and even a 
> >> new default document (that's what help at Finale suggested so far). Has 
> >> anyone else had something weird like this happen, or have any idea how to 
> >> fix it? Thanks,Larry Beekman 
> >> www.larrybeekman.com 
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