Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
At 9:14 PM -0400 8/30/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Hey, collective wisdom, When you are writing a harp gliss of the type that starts with say, a quarter note, and is followed by six more grace notes indicating the exact pitches of the scale, how do you get them to line up properly? Mine keep moving left, before the barline and three or four of them before the quarter note. I suppose I could enter them as a sextuplet then manually resize them, but that seems a lot of work for something that is so normal. How do you guys do it? I haven't written for harp, but my guess is that you should not write them as grace notes because the program will treat them as grace notes, which they aren't! Why not use appropriate tuplets with full sized noteheads just like real notes? Is there a harpist on this list, as there happens to be on the SibeliusList? If not, I could ask over there. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
On Aug 30, 2008, at 11:24 PM, John Howell wrote: At 9:14 PM -0400 8/30/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Hey, collective wisdom, When you are writing a harp gliss of the type that starts with say, a quarter note, and is followed by six more grace notes indicating the exact pitches of the scale, how do you get them to line up properly? Mine keep moving left, before the barline and three or four of them before the quarter note. I suppose I could enter them as a sextuplet then manually resize them, but that seems a lot of work for something that is so normal. How do you guys do it? I haven't written for harp, but my guess is that you should not write them as grace notes because the program will treat them as grace notes, which they aren't! Why not use appropriate tuplets with full sized noteheads just like real notes? Is there a harpist on this list, as there happens to be on the SibeliusList? If not, I could ask over there. John Yeah, they are pretty much grace notes, in that they have indeterminate rhythm. They are the first six notes of a three-octave gliss, followed by a gliss marking to the top note two more octaves away. The notation is pretty standard; I just haven't had to do it until now, preferring the text pedalling indication suggested by arabushk (sorry, he didn't indicate his name! I suppose I should know it by now, but I never look at the email addresses). Why should the program, treating them as grace notes, move them BEFORE the note they come after? Why don't they keep their positioning? Thanks for offering to ask for me, but I don't need notation help (the composer is pretty clear) I needed Finale help. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
On Sun, August 31, 2008 8:23 am, Christopher Smith wrote: Why should the program, treating them as grace notes, move them BEFORE the note they come after? Why don't they keep their positioning? Can you describe your entry method a little? When I create grace notes after a note, they stay there. Is this what you mean? Or am I missing something in your question that's harp-specific? http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/grace-after.jpg Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TGTOOLS+09?
Hi... Does the latest *full* version of TGTools (2.45b?) work with WinFin 09? I don't want to experiment to find out, being fearful of any consequences. Jim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TGTOOLS+09?
Hi Jim, The TG Tools menu looks strange in 2009, (everything strung in an alphabetical line), but most of the tools I've tried have worked. Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Aug 31, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Williams, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi... Does the latest *full* version of TGTools (2.45b?) work with WinFin 09? I don't want to experiment to find out, being fearful of any consequences. Jim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
Hi Christopher, The standard way of indicating a harp glissando and notating the pitches is as seven 32nd notes and then extend the beams over a little. From there use a gliss. line to the final pitch of the gliss. and put a slur over it. An excellent reference on harp writing is a book called Harp Scoring by Stanley Chaloupka. Hope that helps, Greg Greg Hamilton Music Service 2980 Corona Dr. Burnaby, BC V3J 1B8 Canada Office: 604.444.9218 Cel: 604.612.9204 www.greghamiltonmusic.com From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: August 30, 2008 6:14:14 PM PDT (CA) To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Hey, collective wisdom, When you are writing a harp gliss of the type that starts with say, a quarter note, and is followed by six more grace notes indicating the exact pitches of the scale, how do you get them to line up properly? Mine keep moving left, before the barline and three or four of them before the quarter note. I suppose I could enter them as a sextuplet then manually resize them, but that seems a lot of work for something that is so normal. How do you guys do it? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] templates
Hi everyone---I've noticed that my jazz ensemble template is looking tiny and this is after I've been careful about things like line thickness and other tweaks. Everything looks very small and crowded. How do I make this template maintain the settings I've given it? Thanks in advance---Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
Wel.Yup - here I am!As a harpist of some 35 years' experience, the standard notation of a gliss is seven (notated) pitched grace notes. Alternatively, a pedal diagram or pedal pitch listing (i.e. D#,B, C#/Eb, F, G#, Ab) with starting note-(gliss symbol)-ending note can be used but: anything other than grace notes might be confused for note duration rather than a gliss. That said, Finale's way of dealing with a gracenote gliss can be an annoying problemfor exactly the reason Christopher noted. Best, Les Les Marsden (209) 966-6988 New Cell: (559) 708-6027 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: John Howell To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes At 9:14 PM -0400 8/30/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Hey, collective wisdom, When you are writing a harp gliss of the type that starts with say, a quarter note, and is followed by six more grace notes indicating the exact pitches of the scale, how do you get them to line up properly? Mine keep moving left, before the barline and three or four of them before the quarter note. I suppose I could enter them as a sextuplet then manually resize them, but that seems a lot of work for something that is so normal. How do you guys do it? I haven't written for harp, but my guess is that you should not write them as grace notes because the program will treat them as grace notes, which they aren't! Why not use appropriate tuplets with full sized noteheads just like real notes? Is there a harpist on this list, as there happens to be on the SibeliusList? If not, I could ask over there. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
Hmm, yours look fine, but mine all crowd over to the left. I don't know why. C. On Aug 31, 2008, at 8:52 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: On Sun, August 31, 2008 8:23 am, Christopher Smith wrote: Why should the program, treating them as grace notes, move them BEFORE the note they come after? Why don't they keep their positioning? Can you describe your entry method a little? When I create grace notes after a note, they stay there. Is this what you mean? Or am I missing something in your question that's harp-specific? http://maltedmedia.com/images/finale/grace-after.jpg Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Phantom slurs
Dear collective wisdom; Fin05, XP. I am extracting parts from an arrangement. There are phantom slurs all over them in the most unlikely places, without handles no matter to which voice (layer) I switch. They are NOT visible in the Scroll View. In desperation I went back to the score and removed every slur that I could find, but when the parts are extracted exactly the same phantom slurs are back in place. Selecting ALL and removing items (slurs attached to notes, note articulations, expressions etc.) does nothing to alleviate the problem. Please help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW! cel.647-292-4605 _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Phantom slurs
Is 2005 pre-selection tool? If not, choose the selection tool and see if you can select one of the slurs. If you can, you should be able to delete it. Also, if you double-click on one of the slurs (in the selection tool) you should be automatically taken back to the tool of origin, which may help you sort out what's going on with your file. Sounds like you may have a corrupted file, though, so I'm not sure this will help. Best of luck. Don Hart On 8/31/08 3:20 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear collective wisdom; Fin05, XP. I am extracting parts from an arrangement. There are phantom slurs all over them in the most unlikely places, without handles no matter to which voice (layer) I switch. They are NOT visible in the Scroll View. In desperation I went back to the score and removed every slur that I could find, but when the parts are extracted exactly the same phantom slurs are back in place. Selecting ALL and removing items (slurs attached to notes, note articulations, expressions etc.) does nothing to alleviate the problem. Please help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW! cel.647-292-4605 _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] 2006/2007 copy strangeness
I have a friend who has posed me a question that I can't replicate. Setup: 5 staves: staff 1: Soprano/Alto - Midi channel 1, Choir Ahs staff 2: Tenor/Bass - Midi channel 2, Choir Ahs staff 3: Piano RH - Midi channel 3, piano staff 4: Piano LH - Midi channel 3, piano staff 5: scratch staff: The problem started occurring when she created the scratch staff. Every time she copies something from one of the voice staves (for cues or whatever). When she changes the midi channel and voice on the scratch staff, the midi channel and the voice changes on whatever staff she copied from. I can't for the life of me figure out how she got it this way. Any advice on how to get it back to normal operation? (Of if this is normal operation, what am I missing? Thanks, Ralph -- Ralph W. Whitfield, Jr. Bass Trombonist - Gadsden Symphony Orchestra www.rainbowbrassmusic.com Trombonist by Nature, Engineer by Necessity. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
At 8:23 AM -0400 8/31/08, Christopher Smith wrote: Thanks for offering to ask for me, but I don't need notation help (the composer is pretty clear) I needed Finale help. I understand that, but I just checked Clint Roemer (pp. 145-6), and in the pre-computer days he doesn't seem to have used grace notes for a harp gliss. The next-to-last example on 146 could be interpreted as either full size notes or cue-sized notes, but what I was trying to say was that grace notes (which have no duration in a measure) are completely different from cue-size notes (which do have duration. But of course the customer is always right! John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp gliss grace notes
At 10:22 AM -0700 8/31/08, Greg Hamilton wrote: Hi Christopher, The standard way of indicating a harp glissando and notating the pitches is as seven 32nd notes and then extend the beams over a little. From there use a gliss. line to the final pitch of the gliss. and put a slur over it. An excellent reference on harp writing is a book called Harp Scoring by Stanley Chaloupka. And according to Clint Roemer the purpose of the 7 notes is to indicate the chromatic alterations, although he gives alternative ways to do the same thing that look, to this non-harpist, easier to read and respond to. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
