Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Hi, Noel, and thanks for your quick reply. Kim Patrick said absolutely nothing about graphical copyright, so I'm afraid your entire argument falls down on that basis alone. If the pirated edition was in fact under a lawful copyright in ANY country signatory to the applicable international treaties, it is under copyright in ALL such countries, including the U.S. Yes, you are absolutely correct that a piece once in the public domain cannot be subsequently re-copyrighted (i.e., it cannot become the exclusive property of ANYONE). And also that it is any and all new intellectual content that is subject to the new copyright in the new edition, which can, of course, include MUCH more than simple page layout. And while you seem to consider a continuo realization below contempt, it is in fact new intellectual content and has nothing to do with graphical copyright (which does not and never has existed under U.S. law). I learned this when a very fine keyboardist we worked with at Indiana University graduated and was hired by the Chicago Symphony because he could play from the original figured bass, and they did not have to pay royalties on the COPYRIGHTED modern realizations on the music they played. It really bothers me to think that your attitude toward copyright reflects the attitude of everyone involved with CPDL, because it is a Napster kind of attitude, and CPDL is MUCH too valuable a resource to allow it to be shut down for failure to understand and enforce copyright laws and to dismiss them out of hand. Just my opinion, of course, as yours is just yours. And no, I'm not an attorney, just a musician who tries to keep up. John At 11:26 PM -0500 10/25/09, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Friends, First, I am a global moderator on the CPDL forums, and have posted a recommendation in the moderator's forum to take the page down, though because of copyright violation, but rather because it has been customary to post only complete works on CPDL that only complete works to be posted. Second, while I am not an attorney in any jurisdiction, I have read the parts statutes of US code, and Code of Federal regulations related to copyright, and some of the relevant parts of the Statutes governing copyright in the UK. The issue of copyright on the page is a somewhat complex issue. In the UK, where the edition was published, there recognition of a graphical copyright, which protects the appearance on a printed page of a particular work. Publishers may obtain graphical copyright on items in the public domain for a limited period (last I investigated, this was 25 years) protecting the appearance of the work on the printed page. Thus, if someone in the UK makes a photocopy of a work protected by a graphical copyright, the photocopy is infringing. However, as I understand it, a public domain work protected by graphical copyright is set in a manner that does not replicate the original exactly does not infringe the original copyright. This would seem to be what happened here, where the figured bass was replaced by a realization, however crude that realization may, or may not be. However, US law (where--to the best of my knowledge, the CPDL servers are domiciled) makes no provision for graphical copyright, and to the best of my knowledge, graphical copyrights from other jurisdictions are not enforced; US law applies only to new editorial content, not layout issues. A collection of public domain works may be subject to copyright, as it has been held that the act of making the collection constitutes new intellectual content, however, even in the case of a copyright collection, the individual works contained in the collection are in the public domain. I don't see anything in the page, either. to automatically suggest that the contributor of the page, even if he was in a jurisdiction which recognized a UK graphical copyright, was necessarily trying to infringe that copyright, if in fact the copyright exists.. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Of course, Shakespeare. (The Louis Armstrong of the English language! :) Chuck On Oct 25, 2009, at 4:56 PM, Carl Dershem wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Is there a way to load more than one library at a time? Document Options, Expressions, Articulations etc., in one fell swoop? (Wonder where that expressions comes from.) Chuck I dunno about libraries, but Fell Swoop comes from The bard. More specifically, from The Scottish Play. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Yes, this works. Simply click multiple libraries and then save with an inclusive name and load that new library. I imagine this has been around for several versions, but it didn't occur to me to try it this way (old habits die hard). I seem to remember that this functionality was announced upon its inclusion in whatever version it appeared, but I don't remember any instruction about how to do it. Perhaps it seemed so self evident to the programmers that they didn't think it needed an instruction, but I have been exceeding dumb about this. Thanks, Chuck On Oct 25, 2009, at 6:51 PM, John Blane wrote: Chuck - They are combined when you do a Save Library command. You can select multiple libraries and save them together. Then you will be able to load them into other documents as one composite library. I think it would be hard to remember what you included when you saved the library, though. It might be best to start with an empty file, load in the individual libraries you want to combine, and save them together on a project-specific basis. Let us know how this worked out. JB On Oct 25, 2009, at 8:45 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: John, Any idea how to combine them to accomplish this? Thanks, Chuck Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:43 PM, John Blane j...@blanemusic.com wrote: Hi Chuck - I think you can load multiple libraries but they must must be originally saved that way first. JB On Oct 25, 2009, at 6:34 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Is there a way to load more than one library at a time? Document Options, Expressions, Articulations etc., in one fell swoop? (Wonder where that expressions comes from.) Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Hi Kim, CPDL has a copyright section on their site which includes information on how to send them a takedown notice in compliance with the DMCA - including the contact name, phone number, and e-mail address of the designated agent for copyright infringement claims. This contact information is just two clicks removed from their home page and is also available at the US Copyright Office site at http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/. Do none of these contact paths work for your editor? Rafael stepped down from day-to-day work on CPDL a while ago. Best regards, Michael Good Recordare LLC ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Chuck Israels wrote: Of course, Shakespeare. (The Louis Armstrong of the English language! :) Oh, yeah . . . -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Michael Good goodli...@recordare.com wrote: information is just two clicks removed from their home page and is also available at the US Copyright Office site at http://www.copyright.gov/onlinesp/. Do none of these contact paths work for your editor? Thanks for that Mr. Good. Well he wrote to one address on the website, it was returned to him could not connect or somesuch. I don't know which email contact he used, but I will pass this along to him. Thanks again. Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Man, I LOVE Armstrong's 1934 Forest of Arden Stomp! Bluebird, side B (exeunt omnes to Dunsinane) Les Marsden (209) 966-6988 Cell: (559) 708-6027 (Emergency only) 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5 Past President, The Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: dhbailey To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries Chuck Israels wrote: Of course, Shakespeare. (The Louis Armstrong of the English language! :) Oh, yeah . . . -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Good reason to be reminded: THAT phrase as well is from The Scottish Play - one of the weird sisters warning of the title character's approach in Act IV. A troubled play, perhaps, but a wealth of wonderfully idiomatic phrases! Les Marsden 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5 Past President, The Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries It reminds me of the phrase, Something Wicked this way comes. Dean On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:08 PM, John Howell wrote: At 4:34 PM -0700 10/25/09, Chuck Israels wrote: Is there a way to load more than one library at a time? Document Options, Expressions, Articulations etc., in one fell swoop? (Wonder where that expressions comes from.) Fell means something like evil, disastrous, like that. So I picture a fell swoop as being an attack by a flying fury, vampire, pterodactyl, or something similar. I'm sure there's a synonym in pop culture, but I can't think of it off hand. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Man, I LOVE Armstrong's 1934 Forest of Arden Stomp! Bluebird, side B (exeunt omnes to Dunsinane) Wait a minute -- I thought Dunsinane came to us. . . -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Nope, Macdavid Bailey - been there, done that play. We're sittin' pretty on Dunsinane (which - I think - may have been a Jack Teagarden hit!) Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until / Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane hill / Shall come against him (4.1.92-94) It's that bloody forest ya gotta watch out for. You know: Scots bearing trees... And now: sorry, but I gotta run; getting crowned at Scone a little later today Best, Malcolm Marsden Les Marsden (209) 966-6988 Cell: (559) 708-6027 (Emergency only) 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5 Past President, The Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: dhbailey To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Man, I LOVE Armstrong's 1934 Forest of Arden Stomp! Bluebird, side B (exeunt omnes to Dunsinane) Wait a minute -- I thought Dunsinane came to us. . . -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
Hey, good info ... that fella sure had a way with verbiage. Dean On Oct 26, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Good reason to be reminded: THAT phrase as well is from The Scottish Play - one of the weird sisters warning of the title character's approach in Act IV. A troubled play, perhaps, but a wealth of wonderfully idiomatic phrases! Les Marsden 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5 Past President, The Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: Dean M. Estabrook To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries It reminds me of the phrase, Something Wicked this way comes. Dean On Oct 25, 2009, at 5:08 PM, John Howell wrote: At 4:34 PM -0700 10/25/09, Chuck Israels wrote: Is there a way to load more than one library at a time? Document Options, Expressions, Articulations etc., in one fell swoop? (Wonder where that expressions comes from.) Fell means something like evil, disastrous, like that. So I picture a fell swoop as being an attack by a flying fury, vampire, pterodactyl, or something similar. I'm sure there's a synonym in pop culture, but I can't think of it off hand. John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:john.how...@vt.edu) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html We never play anything the same way once. Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
All the talk of Scotch and trees, moves me to adjourn to my back deck, surrounded by pines, and tap a new bottle of Glen Fidditch .. Cheers, Dean On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:47 AM, Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Nope, Macdavid Bailey - been there, done that play. We're sittin' pretty on Dunsinane (which - I think - may have been a Jack Teagarden hit!) Macbeth shall never vanquish'd be until / Great Birnam wood to high Dunsinane hill / Shall come against him (4.1.92-94) It's that bloody forest ya gotta watch out for. You know: Scots bearing trees... And now: sorry, but I gotta run; getting crowned at Scone a little later today Best, Malcolm Marsden Les Marsden (209) 966-6988 Cell: (559) 708-6027 (Emergency only) 7145 Snyder Creek Road Mariposa, CA 95338-9641 Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! Mariposa County Planning Commissioner, District 5 Past President, The Economic Development Corporation of Mariposa County http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.geocities.com/~jbenz/lesbio.html - Original Message - From: dhbailey To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:29 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries Mariposa Symphony Orchestra wrote: Man, I LOVE Armstrong's 1934 Forest of Arden Stomp! Bluebird, side B (exeunt omnes to Dunsinane) Wait a minute -- I thought Dunsinane came to us. . . -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Canto ergo sum And, I'd rather be composing than decomposing Dean M. Estabrook http://deanestabrook.googlepages.com/home ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] How to get rid of Garritan error message
I just installed Finale 2010 on my Powerbook G4. It doesn't have enough RAM for the Garritan instruments, so I didn't install them. Every time I launch Finale, I get this message. Your serial number is not correct. Please run the Registration Tool to enter the correct serial number for Finale GPO. The Finale serial number is correctly entered and the copy of Finale has been authorized. I cannot find any Registration Tool. Does anybody know how I can get rid of this annoying message? Thanks, Michael ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
Dr. Howell, I know that Kim did not mention a graphical copyright, and in introducing the concept to the discussion I failed to use the proper term for the concept I meant, which is typographical copyright. Many jurisdictions, including the UK, where the company is domiciled which is claiming infringement of copyright, make provision for this concept, wherein the actual layout of content on a printed page can be copyrighted, in their copyright law (cf. http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law, particularly paragraph 3 item v, and paragraph 6 item iv), but the US does not recognize the concept of typographical copyright, whether the copyright subsists in other countries or not. Your assertion a lawful copyright in ANY country signatory to the applicable international treaties, it is under copyright in ALL such countries, including the U.S. does not seem to be accurate, according http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_the_shorter_term#Situation_in_the_United_States, part of which quotes 17 USC: /No right or interest in a work eligible for protection under this title may be claimed by virtue of, or in reliance upon; the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto. Any rights in a work eligible for protection under this title that derive from this title, other Federal or State statutes, or the common law, shall not be expanded or reduced by virtue of, or in reliance upon, the provisions of the Berne Convention, or the adherence of the United States thereto./ -- 17 USC 104(c) http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/United_States_Code/Title_17/Chapter_1/Section_104 Under the relevant provisions of 17 USC, my understanding agrees with yours that a piece of music in the public domain cannot be re-copyrighted; however, I understand that the efforts an editor applies to a work otherwise in the public comain in the US including, but not limited to, correcting mistakes, adding performance and interpretive instructions, adding underlay missing or incorrectly placed in the original, constitutes original work of authorship and is eligible for protection, even though the music itself to which the editorial content is applied is in the public domain. The issue of what constitutes original authorship is not, as far as I can tell, completely settled. I tend to doubt that merely changing clefs, key signatures, or durations (which seems to be the only basis for claim of copyright in some editions I have seen) would be found to be sufficiently original to earn a claim of copyright. I suspect that we would both agree that works by Charpentier, who died 305 years ago, are in the public domain in and of themselves, so the validigy of the claim of copyright on the edition under discussion would depend upon the amount of editorial content involved in the edition. I don't have any information on how much original authorship there is in the first page of the edition in question. Finally, I think my attitude does largely coincide with the attitudes of the administrators at CPDL. That attitude that is that any score hosted on the CPDL website which is found, upon investigation, to infringe copyright, is removed from CPDL. [NB: besides hosting scores directly, CPDL provides links to scores on other sites not under its control, and cannot remove scores on such sites]. But my attitude is also informed by the personal experience that a claim of infringement by a publisher is not ipso facto proof of infringement. I think most of the administrators of CPDL will agree that whether the specific score in question is infringing or not, that it should, and will be removed. Copyright in the US is an area where my view of morality and legality do not coincide nearly as closely as in some other areas; I think what the contributor of the page did is immoral, even if it were to be found that it does not violate copyright provisions, and is therefore legal, and I expect that the CPDL administrators will agree with that point of view as well. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
On 26 Oct 2009 at 18:26, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: I suspect that we would both agree that works by Charpentier, who died 305 years ago, are in the public domain in and of themselves, so the validigy of the claim of copyright on the edition under discussion would depend upon the amount of editorial content involved in the edition. I don't have any information on how much original authorship there is in the first page of the edition in question. The Charpentier situation is actually quite interesting. Facsimiles of the original MSS have been published recently, and so tons of people are producing editions from them. I'm one of them, having worked from the facsimile to create my own part for some of the Lessons of Tenebrae. Dennis Collins has now obsoleted my own work with his lovely editions of the same music, but there is nothing simple about making editions from these MSS, which are quite difficult to read from (mostly because of the lack of metrical beaming in the vocal parts). These MSS are not performance MSS, in mhy opinion (though I admit that everyone else in the group performed from photocopies of the facsimile, and I was the only one, the gamba player, who needed an edition, mostly because I had no free hands with which to turn pages!). These absolutely lovely editions are so inexpensive that it seems criminal to me for anyone to not buy them if they want to use them. It also seems criminal for someone so inept as the indivdual who produced the continuo realization in question here to be getting any credit for anything other than manifest incompetence. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Loading Libraries
dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Of course, Shakespeare. (The Louis Armstrong of the English language! :) Oh, yeah . . . And if you have to ask what that means, you'll never know. :) cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# http://members.cox.net/dershem ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] O.T. Copyright issues on Choral Wikipedia / cpdl.org
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 7:35 PM, David W. Fenton lists.fin...@dfenton.com wrote: These absolutely lovely editions [by Dennis Collins] are so inexpensive that it seems criminal to me for anyone to not buy them if they want to use them. The editions Dennis produces are works of art I think. They were, and are constantly a standard I try to adhere to. Dennis spends hours recreating those musical incipits and fonts that grace his work. And I know Brian Clark well enough that I think he would even work out a payment agreement with someone that COULDN'T afford to pay for a set all at once.. He's just that nice. Thanks, Kim ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT: Dies Irae
Any listers know of a list of 20C works that use the Dies Irae in some form or another? There is Rachmaninoff, of course, and Michael Daugherty's Dead Elvis. Also Crumb uses it now and then e.g. Black Angels, Makrokosmos II. But any others that come to mind? (Particularly important works?) Matthew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Dies Irae
Hi Matthew-- According to Google--hope this helps:) Bob --: Penderecki: Symphony 8 - Dies Irae http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dies_Irae The words have often been set to music as part of the Requiem service, originally as a sombre plainchant. It also formed part of the traditional Catholic liturgy of All Souls Day. Music for the Requiem Mass has been composed by many composers, including Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart as well as Hector Berlioz, Giuseppe Verdi, and Igor Stravinsky. The setting by Mozart, especially the first two stanzas (Requiem, 2nd movement), is often heard in the scores of movies and the musical beds of commercials (e.g. X2: X-Men United). The traditional Gregorian melody has also been used as a musical quotation in a number of other classical compositions, among them: * Thomas Adès - Living Toys * Charles-Valentin Alkan - Symphony for Solo Piano, Op. 39, Souvenirs: Trois morceaux dans le genre pathétique, Op. 15 - (No. 3 - Morte) * David Baker - Fantasy on Themes from Masque of the Red Death Ballet * Ernest Bloch - Suite Symphonique [4] * Hector Berlioz - Symphonie fantastique * Johannes Brahms - Klavierstück, Op. 118, No. 6 * Benjamin Britten - War Requiem * Antoine Brumel - Dies Irae * Elliott Carter - In Sleep, In Thunder, #4 * Marc-Antoine Charpentier - Grand Office des Morts * George Crumb - Black Angels, Makrokosmos Volume II, Star Child * Luigi Dallapiccola - Canti di prigionia * Michael Daugherty - Metropolis Symphony 5th mvmt, “Red Cape Tango”. Dead Elvis * Raymond Deane - Seachanges * Ernő Dohnányi - Rhapsody in E-flat minor, Op. 11, No. 4 * Antonín Dvořák - Symphony No. 7 in D minor, mvmt 1 * Martin Ellerby - Paris Sketches, mvmt 3 * Antonio Estévez - Cantata Criolla (1954) * Jean Françaix - Cinq poemes de Charles d'Orléans * Diamanda Galás - Masque Of The Red Death: Part I - Divine Punishment Saint Of The Pit: Track 5. Heautontimorounenos (Restless Souls) * Robert Gerhard - Piano Concerto * Alexander Glazunov - Moyen Age * Leopold Godowsky - Piano Sonata in E minor, mvmt 5 * Berthold Goldschmidt - Beatrice Cenci opera * Charles Gounod - Faust opera, Act IV; Mors et Vita * Sofia Gubaidulina - Am Rande des Abgrunds (On the edge of abyss), for 7 celli 2 aquaphones * Joseph Haydn - Symphony No. 103, The Drumroll * Heinz Holliger - Violin Concerto, 2nd movement * Vagn Holmboe - Symphony No. 10, 1st 4th mvmts; Symphony No. 11, 1st mvmt * Arthur Honegger - La Danse des Morts * Karl Jenkins - Requiem * Miloslav Kabeláč - Symphony No. 8 Antiphonies * Aram Khachaturian - Symphony No. 2 The Bell Symphony, Spartacus * György Ligeti - Le Grand Macabre * Franz Liszt - Dante Symphony, Totentanz * Charles Martin Loeffler - One Who Fell in Battle, Rhapsodies for oboe, viola, and piano, 1st movement, and several songs * Jean-Baptiste Lully - Dies Irae * Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 2, mvmts 1, 3, and 5 * Bohuslav Martinů - Cello Concerto No. 2, final movement. * Nikolai Medtner - Piano Quintet in C Major, Op. posth. * Modest Mussorgsky - Night on Bald Mountain, Songs and Dances of Death * Nikolai Myaskovsky - Piano Sonata No. 2, Symphony No. 6 * Carl Orff - Carmina Burana * Krzysztof Penderecki - Dies Irae * Ildebrando Pizzetti - Requiem, Assassinio nella cattedrale * Sergei Rachmaninoff - Symphony No. 1, Op. 13, Symphony No. 2, Op. 27, Piano Sonata No. 1 in D minor, Op. 28, Isle of the Dead, Op. 29, Prelude in E minor, Op. 32, No. 4, The Bells choral symphony, Op. 35, Études-Tableaux, Op. 39, No. 2, Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini, Op. 43, Symphony No. 3, Op. 44, Symphonic Dances, Op. 45 * Ottorino Respighi - Brazilian Impressions * Marcel Rubin - Symphony No. 4, 2nd mvmt (Dies Irae) * Camille Saint-Saëns - Danse Macabre, Requiem, Symphony No. 3 (Organ Symphony) * Aulis Sallinen - Aulis Dies Irae, Op. 47 * Ernest Schelling - Impressions from an Artist's Life * Peter Schickele (P. D. Q. Bach) - Unbegun Symphony * William Schmidt - Tuba mirum * Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 1, mvmt 4 * Peter Sculthorpe - Memento Mori (1993) * Dmitri Shostakovich - Music for Hamlet, Symphony No. 14 * Jean Sibelius - Lemminkäinen Suite * Kaikhosru Shapurji Sorabji - Variazioni e fuga triplice sopra “Dies iræ” per pianoforte (1923-26), Sequentia cyclica super “Dies iræ” ex Missa pro defunctis in clavicembali usum (1948-49) * Ronald Stevenson - Passacaglia on DSCH (1962-3) * Richard Strauss - Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks, Dance of the Seven Veils from Salome * Igor Stravinsky - The Rite of Spring (sacrifice intro); Three pieces for String Quartet (III, Canticle); Histoire du Soldat; Wind Octet, (Tema Con Variazioni) * Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky - Grand Sonata, Op. 37; Manfred Symphony;
