[Finale] Expression organization
Hi all, If you don't mind sharing, I would like to know the various ways list members organize expressions into categories. Have any of you added new categories to the ones Finale provided? I like the flexibility in this area but don't think I've hit my stride as far as efficiency goes. I'm setting up a new template so now would be a great time to hear what's working well for others. A couple of related questions about category staff lists (some have 'em, some don't): Is there a way to get a new expression category with (or without) staff list capabilities besides through duplication? Is there a way to turn on/off the staff list feature for a given category? I'm currently using '09 on a mac but please let me know if 2011 changes anything along these lines. Thanks much, Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Cl question
It also depends on what register it's in...but overall it should be somewhat feasible. Patrick J. M. Sheehan Music Director, Instructor: Woodlawn Arts Academy P. S. Music Host: "The Saturday Night Blues" on 89.5 WNIJ-FM, 9pm - 12am (CST) & WNIJ.org patricksheehanmu...@gmail.com -Original Message- From: Dean M. Estabrook [mailto:d.e...@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:16 AM To: Finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Cl question Are repeated 16th notes (five in a row), tongued stacatto, feasible for B-flat Cl. players at a quarter note = about 124? This in medium to upper medium range ... Thanks for your wisdom in advance ... Dean I have opened my soul/To let in the warmth of sound/Now my saving grace Adrian Estabrook, author Dean M. Estabrook http://sites.google.com/site/deanestabrook/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression organization
I did a big upgrade from v04 to v10 earlier this year, so adapting to the new expressions is pretty fresh in my memory. Caveat: I doubt I'm a typical user. I've found that in general I'm more detail-oriented than most here, and I tend to be a bit of a control freak. If you don't mind sharing, I would like to know the various ways list members organize expressions into categories. Have any of you added new categories to the ones Finale provided? ALL of the expressions I used are in new categories. I didn't like Finale's definitions in their default categories*, and I was having difficulty editing them. At the time it seemed like there were some things that were hard-coded and couldn't be changed. I'm not sure if that's actually true or I just couldn't find the right dialog box. (*Is it just me or do Finale defaults have an awful lot of definitions that are, um, eccentric? In general, MakeMusic's template style choices always seem so weird to me.) In any case, I only wanted to use expressions that I myself had explicitly defined, but I also found it useful at first to keep Finale's default ones around for reference, so I made my own categories for my own expressions and I only use those. I have four categories: tempos, dynamics, generic expressions, and rehearsal numbers. For me category are purely typographic definitions, regardless of musical meaning, so for example "dynamics" is anything I'd put in the music font at that size, like a pedal mark or luftpause. Expressions default to the usual italic, but I use that as a catch-all for anything that doesn't fall into another category and I'll define the specific expression as needed. I don't put many expressions in my template. Except for dynamics, my categories start out nearly empty, with just a couple of really basic ones. They exist primarily for the category definition, then I'll add expressions as needed in each document. I haven't found it valuable to have a zillion expressions pre-made. If I need, say, "molto allargando", it's easier to just type it fresh than hunt through a list of 50 phrases looking for it. A couple of related questions about category staff lists (some have 'em, some don't): Is there a way to get a new expression category with (or without) staff list capabilities besides through duplication? Is there a way to turn on/off the staff list feature for a given category? I remember wondering the same thing. After looking around a bit I just gave up and used duplication. I also couldn't figure out how to delete categories I don't want. I'm not sure that's possible either. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression organization
Thank you, Mark. Sounds as if we're going down similar paths, though I probably want a few more pre-defined expressions at my disposal than you. FYI, there is a button at the bottom of the "Category Designer" window that allows you to delete a category. DH On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:37 PM, Mark D Lew wrote: > I did a big upgrade from v04 to v10 earlier this year, so adapting to the > new expressions is pretty fresh in my memory. > > Caveat: I doubt I'm a typical user. I've found that in general I'm more > detail-oriented than most here, and I tend to be a bit of a control freak. > >> If you don't mind sharing, I would like to know the various ways list >> members organize expressions into categories. Have any of you added >> new categories to the ones Finale provided? > > ALL of the expressions I used are in new categories. I didn't like Finale's > definitions in their default categories*, and I was having difficulty > editing them. At the time it seemed like there were some things that were > hard-coded and couldn't be changed. I'm not sure if that's actually true or > I just couldn't find the right dialog box. > > (*Is it just me or do Finale defaults have an awful lot of definitions that > are, um, eccentric? In general, MakeMusic's template style choices always > seem so weird to me.) > > In any case, I only wanted to use expressions that I myself had explicitly > defined, but I also found it useful at first to keep Finale's default ones > around for reference, so I made my own categories for my own expressions and > I only use those. > > I have four categories: tempos, dynamics, generic expressions, and rehearsal > numbers. For me category are purely typographic definitions, regardless of > musical meaning, so for example "dynamics" is anything I'd put in the music > font at that size, like a pedal mark or luftpause. Expressions default to > the usual italic, but I use that as a catch-all for anything that doesn't > fall into another category and I'll define the specific expression as > needed. > > I don't put many expressions in my template. Except for dynamics, my > categories start out nearly empty, with just a couple of really basic ones. > They exist primarily for the category definition, then I'll add expressions > as needed in each document. I haven't found it valuable to have a zillion > expressions pre-made. If I need, say, "molto allargando", it's easier to > just type it fresh than hunt through a list of 50 phrases looking for it. > >> A couple of related questions about category staff lists (some have >> 'em, some don't): Is there a way to get a new expression category >> with (or without) staff list capabilities besides through duplication? >> Is there a way to turn on/off the staff list feature for a given >> category? > > I remember wondering the same thing. After looking around a bit I just gave > up and used duplication. I also couldn't figure out how to delete > categories I don't want. I'm not sure that's possible either. > > mdl > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1
Hi Some pictures of the Finale 2.0.1 package. http://jipiblog.jipiz.fr/2010/08/01/histoire-de-finale-finale-2-0-1/ Jean-Paul Gilles www.2mceditions.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1
Ha, I remember those! The three spiral-bound manuals in the box! Sigh. Good times. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1
On 8/1/2010 2:03 PM, jp.gilles wrote: Hi Some pictures of the Finale 2.0.1 package. http://jipiblog.jipiz.fr/2010/08/01/histoire-de-finale-finale-2-0-1/ Jean-Paul Gilles www.2mceditions.com That looks familiar! Gods, that makes me feel old. :) cd -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression organization
I had mixed feelings about the new expressions scheme. On the one hand I was delighted that the positioning had been expanded with multiple levels of definition instead of the simple X,Y for each expression; but on the other hand I felt it fell far short of what it might have in terms of making things easier for my own use. In particular, I was disappointed with the UI. It's hard to tell how much of it is due to unfamiliarity with the new, and how much is just the design, but I felt like I spent an awful lot of time clicking around between windows to put things where I wanted them, as opposed to the old system where I could just type the Y position directly and be done with it. As with so many things in Finale, I get the impression that they're trying to shove all this "under the hood", devoting a great deal of effort to trying to make it so that ordinary users would rarely or never visit the definition dialogs at all, but very little effort to making it more efficient for those who do visit them regularly. I think I had an unrealistic expectation that once I got all my definitions in how I wanted them, I'd be able to just place expressions and have them land where I want >75% of the time, but it never worked out that way for me. The main thing is that every expression just has a single definition for default Y positioning. That's fine for an orchestra part, but nearly all of my work is piano vocal. In general, I'm going to want to put most markings in the voice part above the staff, whereas in the piano part most markings are going to go between the staves, at a Y position that will vary depending on what's going on in each hand. The new system just can't handle that. I experimented for a while with two separate definitions for all my expressions, one above the staff and one below, but that proved more trouble than it was worth. I like using metatools for my dynamics and having two keystrokes for each one was taxing both my memory and the supply of available characters on the keyboard. Ultimately I went back to just one definition for each, defined for the voice part (which I could define to be correct ~90% of the time), accepting that I'll just have to specify Y position for anything in the piano part. That means that placing expressions in the piano part is now slower for me than it were before. In the old system clicking took me straight to the X Y positions and since I usually knew exactly where I wanted it, I just entered the numbers and was done. Now I have to place the expression by default, then shift-click to change the positioning. Also, the math is harder now because my default Y is based on staffline or entry, so if the entry is bumping it up, I have to work that in and net the offsets in my head to know what number to enter as Y. I could avoid that by defining the Y just to the staff, but for my voice part I do want staff-and-entry so that would bring me back to the problem of having multiple definitions for expressions, which again is more trouble than it's worth. But after a while I've started to get used to the extra clicks and extra math, and I'm OK with it. It's still a significant improvement over all. I really like having much more levels at which to define things; I am completely satisfied with horizontal position, which is wonderful and much more powerful than it was before; and I like having what amounts to multiple typographic and positioning defaults for a new expression by way of the categories. On the whole, even with its flaws, I think it's still my favorite improvement between v04 and v10. Perhaps I'm forgetting something, I can't think of any other change between the two that I much care about. It seems like the big things were part extraction and playback, neither of which I ever use. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1
I bought Finale 2.5 in January 1991 with an upgrade to 2.6.1 in the same package. Now, are you saying you bought Finale 2.0.1 in 1992 or did I get it wrong? How could that be? Harold At 23:03 +0200 01/08/10, jp.gilles wrote: >Hi >Some pictures of the Finale 2.0.1 package. >http://jipiblog.jipiz.fr/2010/08/01/histoire-de-finale-finale-2-0-1/ > >Jean-Paul Gilles >www.2mceditions.com >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] ITunes?
I'm trying to set up file sharing between my laptop and desktop to share my ITunes library, and it's not working. Have any of you tried this? Any hints? Both run Windows 7, 64 bit. I can't find the right hoop to jump through to make them happy. cd -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ITunes?
Just turn on "Share my Library on my local network" in your iTunes Preferences (or "Settings," I think they're called in Windows). Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On 1 Aug 2010, at 9:36 PM, dershem wrote: > I'm trying to set up file sharing between my laptop and desktop to share my > ITunes library, and it's not working. > > Have any of you tried this? Any hints? > > Both run Windows 7, 64 bit. I can't find the right hoop to jump through to > make them happy. > > cd > -- > http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html > http://dershem.livejournal.com/ > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ITunes?
Are you trying to actually SHARE a library between two computers or having a library on ONE computer and have another one access it (Read only)? Two different things. Darcy's solution accomplishes the second one. On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:36 PM, dershem wrote: > I'm trying to set up file sharing between my laptop and desktop to share my > ITunes library, and it's not working. > > Have any of you tried this? Any hints? > > Both run Windows 7, 64 bit. I can't find the right hoop to jump through to > make them happy. > > cd > -- > http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html > http://dershem.livejournal.com/ > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale NOT Sent from my iSomething ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ITunes?
On 8/1/2010 6:53 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Just turn on "Share my Library on my local network" in your iTunes Preferences (or "Settings," I think they're called in Windows). Cheers, - DJA Yeah... that doesn't work. It says there's firewall interference, but I checked those settings, and it still doesn't work. Hrmph. Thanks. cd On 1 Aug 2010, at 9:36 PM, dershem wrote: I'm trying to set up file sharing between my laptop and desktop to share my ITunes library, and it's not working. Have any of you tried this? Any hints? Both run Windows 7, 64 bit. I can't find the right hoop to jump through to make them happy. cd -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5331 (20100801) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ITunes?
On 8/1/2010 7:15 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: Are you trying to actually SHARE a library between two computers or having a library on ONE computer and have another one access it (Read only)? Two different things. Darcy's solution accomplishes the second one. Trying nto share. According to the manuals (on line, such as they are) this should work, but... cd On Aug 1, 2010, at 6:36 PM, dershem wrote: I'm trying to set up file sharing between my laptop and desktop to share my ITunes library, and it's not working. Have any of you tried this? Any hints? Both run Windows 7, 64 bit. I can't find the right hoop to jump through to make them happy. cd -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale NOT Sent from my iSomething ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5331 (20100801) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- http://members.cox.net/dershem/index.html http://dershem.livejournal.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale history - Finale 2.0.1
On 2010/08/01, at 17:37, Mark D Lew wrote: > Ha, I remember those! > > The three spiral-bound manuals in the box! Sigh. Good times. Exactly. My first Finale was v1.0. I paid $1k! I read Finale manuals every night in my bed, and I memorized pretty much everything. I can't do that anymore with PDF manual. Once I bought the printout. MM charged me $35 or something. It was a joke. Too heavy to hold, and too small to read. Back then, these three spiral bound manuals were perfect for bedtime reading. I was the Finale master back then. Not so anymore ever since they went to PDF manual. ┐(￣ヘ￣）┌ -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Greater Boston http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
