Re: [Finale] solution to part problem

[Raymond Horton]

So, the part was in Bb, such as a Bb Trumpet or Clarinet part?   That
changes the directions.


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Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
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On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Katherine Hoover  wrote:

> Well I found a solution:  The part had 2 sharps, and I wanted it to
> read with no key signature (i. e. C major) ... I found that if I set
> the key sig. tool for 2 flats it removed the 2 #'s and left the notes
> in the same place (as I had checked).  Not a musically apt solution,
> but hey, it worked!
>
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Re: [Finale] Youtube / music videos and revenue sharing question

[Blake Richardson]

From: John Howell 
Subject: Re: [Finale] Youtube / music videos and revenue sharing question
Date: June 13, 2012 7:58:49 PM PDT
To: 
Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu


At 7:58 PM -0400 6/13/12, John Howell wrote:

> Sounds like a "Kinko's reaction"!  If they see a copyright notice they refuse 
> to copy the work. My wife took in one of her own compositions, told them flat 
> out that she was the composer, and they refused to believe her.  We haven't 
> done business with them ever since.  They may have changed, but I'm not 
> holding my breath.

It's even worse for photography. I've had them refuse to make prints of some of 
my pictures because-- according to the guy behind the desk-- "They look too 
professional." Apparently if you're a good enough photographer, they're going 
to assume you couldn't possibly have taken the picture yourself and are trying 
to rip off someone else.
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Re: [Finale] Emailing: MakeMusic CEO Gone; Search for Replacement Begins

[Phillips, Justin]

Hi David,

We know exactly what you mean, which is why we're emphasizing that nothing
is changing about our direction or product plans. I've been able to be
more public about those plans than we have traditionally in the past (and
I will continue to do so).

We're absolutely committed to Finale, which is why we're not releasing a
2013 version this year. The reasons are directly from customer input
(novice to pro), so we decided to spend some more time developing for
Finale 2012 and work on future products.

Finale's engine is the core of our products, it's what drives all of the
notation products from NotePad to Finale, and SongBook on the iPad.
Additionally, Finale's notation engine is at the heart of SmartMusic.

As for an editing app on iOS, I'd love to have one. Finale SongBook was
the first step of porting Finale's engine to an iPad, and we'll continue
to develop for the mobile platform.

I can't reply on here as much as I'd like to due to time constraints, but
feel free to alert me to anything I'm missing or items you'd like
clarification on!

-- 
Justin Phillips
Portfolio Manager - Notation Products
MakeMusic, Inc
763-772-3964






On 6/14/12 6:53 PM, "David H. Bailey"
 wrote:

>Such a revolving door in the CEO's office doesn't exactly inspire
>confidence.
>
>However, I would like to thank you, Justin, for maintaining an official
>presence on this list because such a presence does a lot to make me feel
>more confident in the company's commitment to the Finale product.
>
>So, thank you for helping us out and for keeping us in the loop with
>these sort of links and indications of things to come.
>
>By the way, SongBook works great.  I'm hoping that you folks are working
>on an iOS app that will allow us to do some actual notation work.  I
>realize that will cost money, but especially if we can work on notation
>that will be easy to import into Finale it will be worth it.
>
>Thanks, Justin!
>David H. Bailey
>
>
>On 6/14/2012 7:18 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote:
>> Here's our press release on the matter:
>>
>> http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=549
>>
>> As the press release states, we're keeping on track with the product
>> direction we've been working on for the past year. We launched Finale
>> SongBook a few weeks ago, have a 2012b release soon, and announced some
>> cool Garritan products:
>>
>> http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=548
>>
>> 
>>http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.as
>>px
>>
>> http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=546
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Emailing: MakeMusic CEO Gone; Search for Replacement Begins

[David H. Bailey]

Such a revolving door in the CEO's office doesn't exactly inspire 
confidence.

However, I would like to thank you, Justin, for maintaining an official 
presence on this list because such a presence does a lot to make me feel 
more confident in the company's commitment to the Finale product.

So, thank you for helping us out and for keeping us in the loop with 
these sort of links and indications of things to come.

By the way, SongBook works great.  I'm hoping that you folks are working 
on an iOS app that will allow us to do some actual notation work.  I 
realize that will cost money, but especially if we can work on notation 
that will be easy to import into Finale it will be worth it.

Thanks, Justin!
David H. Bailey


On 6/14/2012 7:18 PM, Phillips, Justin wrote:
> Here's our press release on the matter:
>
> http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=549
>
> As the press release states, we're keeping on track with the product
> direction we've been working on for the past year. We launched Finale
> SongBook a few weeks ago, have a 2012b release soon, and announced some
> cool Garritan products:
>
> http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=548
>
> http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx
>
> http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=546
>
>
>
>


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Re: [Finale] Emailing: MakeMusic CEO Gone; Search for Replacement Begins

[Phillips, Justin]

Here's our press release on the matter:

http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=549

As the press release states, we're keeping on track with the product
direction we've been working on for the past year. We launched Finale
SongBook a few weeks ago, have a 2012b release soon, and announced some
cool Garritan products:

http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=548

http://blog.finalemusic.com/post/2012/05/29/The-Next-Version-of-Finale.aspx

http://www.makemusic.com/Pressroom/Default.aspx?pid=546




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Portfolio Manager - Notation Products
MakeMusic, Inc
763-772-3964






On 6/14/12 5:28 PM, "Will Roberts"  wrote:

>Will this make it five CEOs in five years?
>
>http://tcbmag.blogs.com/daily_developments/2012/06/makemusic-ceo-gone-sear
>ch-for-replacement-underway-.html
>
>Hope everybody is okay up there at MakeMusic HQ.
>
>Best,
>-WR
>
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[Finale] Emailing: MakeMusic CEO Gone; Search for Replacement Begins

[Will Roberts]

Will this make it five CEOs in five years?

http://tcbmag.blogs.com/daily_developments/2012/06/makemusic-ceo-gone-search-for-replacement-underway-.html

Hope everybody is okay up there at MakeMusic HQ.

Best,
-WR

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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[John Howell]

At 2:46 PM -0400 6/14/12, David H. Bailey wrote:
>
>On the other hand, if there are multiple groups of people working for an
>organization, they are pluralized to be "staffs."  Again for the use of
>the word "staff" as a wooden stick, the plural is "staffs."  So why, if
>the singular for a line of music is a "staff" isn't the plural "staffs?"


Usage.  Period.  Which is how ALL words--regular 
or irregular--grow and change.  And the present 
discussion is part of that process.  When I 
directed a show ensemble we had a performing 
staff, a technical staff, and a public relations 
staff:  three staffs.

>
>And thinking about the plural for those pieces of wood shaped to form a
>barrel, they are called "staves" and the singular is called "stave" as
>in "a barrel stave."


Quite right.  I guess coopers never bothered to 
talk with musicians.  For that matter, I wonder 
why a bunch of lines scribed across a page came 
to be called a "staff" in the first place!

What about self defense?  I know a quarter staff 
is called that, but what's it a quarter OF?!! 
And isn't a length of wood used by a hiker (and 
available for self defense at need) sometimes 
referred to as a stave?

One of the most interesting things about English 
is its profound ILLogic, since it developed out 
of Anglo Saxon and other stuff among the lower 
classes when Latin was the language of the Church 
and education, and Norman French was the language 
of government and the ruling class, so nobody 
paid any attention to it!  And it's been 
borrowing words and mispronouncing them ever 
since.

>
>Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and
>naturals are called "accidentals?"


Another interesting question, and perhaps only 
used in English?  The New Grove I article defines 
the term and gives the equivalents in several 
languages for sharps, flats, and naturals, but 
does not speculate on the derivation of the word. 
(I wonder whether the OED might go further?)

The USE dates from Guido d'Arezzo in about AD 
1030, although he only recognized one variable 
note, B, which could be notated as either a "soft 
b" (a rounded lower case b) or a "hard b" (a 
squared off b, which later sprouted a few extra 
stems and became our signs for BOTH the sharp and 
the natural).  But if I were starting from 
scratch (which we can never do with language), 
I'd be inclined to call the temporary alterations 
"incidentals" rather than "accidentals."  I 
wonder whether it grew out of the fact that a 
knowledge of musica ficta required making 
chromatic alterations that were not indicated in 
the notation itself?

One thing I've learned about musical terminology is never to expect logic!

John


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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Williams, Jim]

With all this talk of staves, I am tempted to whip out my euphonium & play 
"Roll Out the Barrel."

Would that stave off an impending disaster?

Jim "stave is also a verb, remember!" Williams

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jun 14, 2012, at 4:08 PM, "Lawrence"  wrote:

> Because a singular line is a stave and the plural is staves. :-)
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Lawrence (in England)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 14 Jun 2012, at 07:46 PM, "David H. Bailey" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 6/14/2012 1:59 PM, John Howell wrote:
>>> At 8:14 AM -0400 6/14/12, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
 On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
> Here's what Elaine Gould writes
> "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
 
 Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to 
 me,
 even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form 
 until
 recently, and wondered if it's regional?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It may well be a cross-the-pond difference, as
>>> some seem to think that a choice between "bar"
>>> and "measure" is.  (I've always used both terms
>>> interchangeably.)
>>> 
>>> To me it's always been obvious that a single
>>> staff is a staff, and the plural is staves.
>>> "Stave" as a singular feels like an incorrect
>>> derivation.  But that's just me.  I'm also
>>> careful to use "medium" as the singular of
>>> "media"; "datum" as the singular of "data"; and
>>> "timpano" as the singular of "timpani."
>>> 
>> 
>> On the other hand, if there are multiple groups of people working for an 
>> organization, they are pluralized to be "staffs."  Again for the use of 
>> the word "staff" as a wooden stick, the plural is "staffs."  So why, if 
>> the singular for a line of music is a "staff" isn't the plural "staffs?"
>> 
>> And thinking about the plural for those pieces of wood shaped to form a 
>> barrel, they are called "staves" and the singular is called "stave" as 
>> in "a barrel stave."
>> 
>> I think that somewhere long ago in history words got mistranslated out 
>> of the Italian and then misused in different English speaking areas.
>> 
>> Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and 
>> naturals are called "accidentals?"
>> 
>> -- 
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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Phil Daley]

At 6/14/2012 02:46 PM, David H. Bailey wrote:

 >Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and
 >naturals are called "accidentals?"

Because they cause "accidents" when playing???

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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Lawrence]

Because a singular line is a stave and the plural is staves. :-)

Cheers, 

Lawrence (in England)

Sent from my iPhone

On 14 Jun 2012, at 07:46 PM, "David H. Bailey" 
 wrote:

> On 6/14/2012 1:59 PM, John Howell wrote:
>> At 8:14 AM -0400 6/14/12, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>>> On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
  Here's what Elaine Gould writes
  "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
>>> 
>>> Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to me,
>>> even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form until
>>> recently, and wondered if it's regional?
>> 
>> 
>> It may well be a cross-the-pond difference, as
>> some seem to think that a choice between "bar"
>> and "measure" is.  (I've always used both terms
>> interchangeably.)
>> 
>> To me it's always been obvious that a single
>> staff is a staff, and the plural is staves.
>> "Stave" as a singular feels like an incorrect
>> derivation.  But that's just me.  I'm also
>> careful to use "medium" as the singular of
>> "media"; "datum" as the singular of "data"; and
>> "timpano" as the singular of "timpani."
>> 
> 
> On the other hand, if there are multiple groups of people working for an 
> organization, they are pluralized to be "staffs."  Again for the use of 
> the word "staff" as a wooden stick, the plural is "staffs."  So why, if 
> the singular for a line of music is a "staff" isn't the plural "staffs?"
> 
> And thinking about the plural for those pieces of wood shaped to form a 
> barrel, they are called "staves" and the singular is called "stave" as 
> in "a barrel stave."
> 
> I think that somewhere long ago in history words got mistranslated out 
> of the Italian and then misused in different English speaking areas.
> 
> Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and 
> naturals are called "accidentals?"
> 
> -- 
> David H. Bailey
> dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
> 
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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/14/2012 1:59 PM, John Howell wrote:
> At 8:14 AM -0400 6/14/12, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>> On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
>>>   Here's what Elaine Gould writes
>>>   "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
>>
>> Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to me,
>> even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form until
>> recently, and wondered if it's regional?
>
>
> It may well be a cross-the-pond difference, as
> some seem to think that a choice between "bar"
> and "measure" is.  (I've always used both terms
> interchangeably.)
>
> To me it's always been obvious that a single
> staff is a staff, and the plural is staves.
> "Stave" as a singular feels like an incorrect
> derivation.  But that's just me.  I'm also
> careful to use "medium" as the singular of
> "media"; "datum" as the singular of "data"; and
> "timpano" as the singular of "timpani."
>

On the other hand, if there are multiple groups of people working for an 
organization, they are pluralized to be "staffs."  Again for the use of 
the word "staff" as a wooden stick, the plural is "staffs."  So why, if 
the singular for a line of music is a "staff" isn't the plural "staffs?"

And thinking about the plural for those pieces of wood shaped to form a 
barrel, they are called "staves" and the singular is called "stave" as 
in "a barrel stave."

I think that somewhere long ago in history words got mistranslated out 
of the Italian and then misused in different English speaking areas.

Since we're on lexicography, can anybody explain why sharps, flats and 
naturals are called "accidentals?"

-- 
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com


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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Raymond Horton]

I insist on using the word "staff" - I also insist that all members of my
stave use it.

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:30 AM, dc  wrote:

> Le 14/06/2012 14:14, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz écrit :
> > Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to
> me,
> > even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form
> until
> > recently, and wondered if it's regional?
> It is regional, the region in question being a large Island off the
> French coast.
>
> Here's what the OED says:
> > 20.II.20 Mus. A set of horizontal lines (now five in number) on which,
> > and in the spaces between, notes are placed so as to indicate pitch.
> > Also stave.
> > In harmonic or concerted music two or more staffs are used together,
> > connected by a brace.
> >
> > 1662 Playford Skill Mus. i. i. 4 But [for all] Lessons for the Organ,
> > Virginals, or Harp, two staves of six lines together are required.
> > 1688 Holme Armoury iii. 157/1 [Follows Playford and adds:] They are
> > called a Staff or Stansa. 1776 Burney Hist. Mus. (1789) II. 87 The
> > regular staff of four lines. 1806 J. W. Callcott Mus. Gram. 1 The
> > lines and spaces of the Staff are counted upwards. 1842 Westm. Rev.
> > Jan. 34 note, There is a schism among musicians, whether this should
> > be staff or stave, pronounced by some staaf. Authorities are mostly in
> > favour of ‘stave’ but custom may be pleaded for ‘staff’ and ‘staves’
> > in the plural. 1873 H. C. Banister Mus. 2 Musical characters are
> > written upon a series of parallel lines, termed a Stave or Staff.
>
> Dennis #2
>
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Re: [Finale] rests in layers

[Linda Worsley]

John, I agree with you on several levels.  I don't do a lot of writing for
solo piano, and when I do, I usually use the "make it clear" school of
notation.  And I hate clutter.  So it's nice to know I don't have to pepper
the score (not mine, but an intricate and in some ways convoluted, score of
a client) with extra "spiders."

Thanks for a thoughtful reply.

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Re: [Finale] 2012 for $99 Thumbs up or down? Need more input!!!

[Williams, Jim]

I'll add my voice to the ones who advise to buy. 

As to the score manager, it is a work in process & will likely take a few 
iterations to get close to perfection. 

As we all know, that seems to be a pattern with some major features.

I like 2012 and share in the hope that the promised updater brings pleasant and 
needed surprises.

Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

On Jun 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, "David H. Bailey" 
 wrote:

> I bought the upgrade from 2011 to 2012 and would most likely do so again 
> just because I like to keep current.  But I don't notice any huge 
> notation improvements, nor is my work-flow enhanced in any major way.
> 
> If you've got the money, I would suggest making the upgrade, especially 
> since the upcoming interim update patch, according to that blog we got a 
> link to a couple of weeks ago makes it seem as if it will be almost like 
> getting for free what we used to pay for each year.
> 
> I'd say you should buy the upgrade.
> 
> David H. Bailey
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/14/2012 12:05 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
>> Hey, folks, I expected a LOT more than two replies on this subject!
>>  (Thanks, Ryan and Jef!)
>> 
>> I know you can't tell me if the (Windows) Finale 2011 to 2012 upgrade is
>> worth $99 of MY money - just tell me if you think it would be worth $99 of
>> YOUR money.
>> 
>> The deal is good through Friday:   Upgrade Today for
>> $99
>> 
>> Raymond Horton
>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>> Composer, Arranger
>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Raymond Horton 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> OK guys, I'd like to ask for your input.
>>> 
>>> I am a sucker, the kind that has kept Finale afloat.  Ever since coming
>>> over to Finale (Windows) from archaic software in 1997, I have upgraded
>>> every year - I think I am pathologically afraid I am going to miss
>>> something.  The only upgrade I regretted was  2007 - it had that terrible
>>> "print to postage stamp-size" bug that only seemed to hit a few unfortunate
>>> users.
>>> 
>>> Last summer, as my primary employer (The Louisville Orchestra) was doing
>>> everything it could to not employ musicians for over a year, I skipped
>>> 2012.  It was difficult for someone as mentally dented as myself, but I did
>>> it and took great comfort in the complaints here about Score Manager, etc.,
>>> and happily went along with 2011.  (I even warned my daughter not to
>>> upgrade.)  I do have issues with 2011, from time to time, but I realize I
>>> may have to replace my 5-year-old computer at some point and blame it most
>>> of the time.
>>> 
>>> We are back on the payroll, now (well, if the first check comes out Friday
>>> as promised) and I could swing the 2012 upgrade, if it is worthwhile.  We
>>> have two more days at the $99 price - so what's your verdict?  WinFin2012
>>> over 2011 for $99 - yes or no?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your input!
>>> 
>>> Raymond Horton
>>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>>> Composer, Arranger
>>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] solution to part problem

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/14/2012 2:10 PM, Dana Friedman wrote:
> At 01:28 PM 6/14/2012, you wrote:
>
>> Well I found a solution:  The part had 2 sharps, and I wanted it to
>> read with no key signature (i. e. C major) ... I found that if I set
>> the key sig. tool for 2 flats it removed the 2 #'s and left the notes
>> in the same place (as I had checked).  Not a musically apt solution,
>> but hey, it worked!
>
> I don't understand HOW that could work. Key signatures and
> transpositions are different tools. Right? Don't they have different
> implications?...If you set a key signature to bb, and you're writing
> transposed scores (for transposing instruments), why would the key
> signature not show up as bb?
>

Because the transposed part for a Bb instrument in key of Bb(concert) 
would show up in the key of C.


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Re: [Finale] 2012 for $99 Thumbs up or down? Need more input!!!

[David H. Bailey]

I bought the upgrade from 2011 to 2012 and would most likely do so again 
just because I like to keep current.  But I don't notice any huge 
notation improvements, nor is my work-flow enhanced in any major way.

If you've got the money, I would suggest making the upgrade, especially 
since the upcoming interim update patch, according to that blog we got a 
link to a couple of weeks ago makes it seem as if it will be almost like 
getting for free what we used to pay for each year.

I'd say you should buy the upgrade.

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On 6/14/2012 12:05 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:
> Hey, folks, I expected a LOT more than two replies on this subject!
>   (Thanks, Ryan and Jef!)
>
> I know you can't tell me if the (Windows) Finale 2011 to 2012 upgrade is
> worth $99 of MY money - just tell me if you think it would be worth $99 of
> YOUR money.
>
> The deal is good through Friday:   Upgrade Today for
> $99
>
> Raymond Horton
> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
> Composer, Arranger
> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Raymond Horton 
> wrote:
>
>> OK guys, I'd like to ask for your input.
>>
>> I am a sucker, the kind that has kept Finale afloat.  Ever since coming
>> over to Finale (Windows) from archaic software in 1997, I have upgraded
>> every year - I think I am pathologically afraid I am going to miss
>> something.  The only upgrade I regretted was  2007 - it had that terrible
>> "print to postage stamp-size" bug that only seemed to hit a few unfortunate
>> users.
>>
>> Last summer, as my primary employer (The Louisville Orchestra) was doing
>> everything it could to not employ musicians for over a year, I skipped
>> 2012.  It was difficult for someone as mentally dented as myself, but I did
>> it and took great comfort in the complaints here about Score Manager, etc.,
>> and happily went along with 2011.  (I even warned my daughter not to
>> upgrade.)  I do have issues with 2011, from time to time, but I realize I
>> may have to replace my 5-year-old computer at some point and blame it most
>> of the time.
>>
>> We are back on the payroll, now (well, if the first check comes out Friday
>> as promised) and I could swing the 2012 upgrade, if it is worthwhile.  We
>> have two more days at the $99 price - so what's your verdict?  WinFin2012
>> over 2011 for $99 - yes or no?
>>
>> Thanks for your input!
>>
>> Raymond Horton
>> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
>> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
>> Composer, Arranger
>> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>>
>>
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Re: [Finale] solution to part problem

[Dana Friedman]

At 01:28 PM 6/14/2012, you wrote:

>Well I found a solution:  The part had 2 sharps, and I wanted it to
>read with no key signature (i. e. C major) ... I found that if I set
>the key sig. tool for 2 flats it removed the 2 #'s and left the notes
>in the same place (as I had checked).  Not a musically apt solution,
>but hey, it worked!

I don't understand HOW that could work. Key signatures and 
transpositions are different tools. Right? Don't they have different 
implications?...If you set a key signature to bb, and you're writing 
transposed scores (for transposing instruments), why would the key 
signature not show up as bb?

Best,
Dana 

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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[John Howell]

At 8:14 AM -0400 6/14/12, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
>On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
>>  Here's what Elaine Gould writes
>>  "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
>
>Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to me,
>even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form until
>recently, and wondered if it's regional?


It may well be a cross-the-pond difference, as 
some seem to think that a choice between "bar" 
and "measure" is.  (I've always used both terms 
interchangeably.)

To me it's always been obvious that a single 
staff is a staff, and the plural is staves. 
"Stave" as a singular feels like an incorrect 
derivation.  But that's just me.  I'm also 
careful to use "medium" as the singular of 
"media"; "datum" as the singular of "data"; and 
"timpano" as the singular of "timpani."

Since piano uses a grand "staff" (not a grand 
"stave"), Elaine probably should have written "to 
keep the staves as uncluttered as possible" since 
she's referring to both of them.

A "nice" point, Dennis!

John


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Re: [Finale] changing key for transposed part

[Raymond Horton]

On the part, with the Staff Tool selected, click on the staff to bring up
"Staff Attributes."  On this menu select "Independent Elements: Key
Signature."  then change the key signature as you described.

If it is a linked part, the change will be reflected in the score.  If this
is not what you wish, extract the part first.

I hope this helps!

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On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Katherine Hoover <
khoo...@papagenapress.com> wrote:

> I have Finale 2011.  There is a part that would be easier to read if
> I print it without a key signature (as in C Major).  I followed the
> Finale Internet instructions - to the key sig. tool, marking it
> properly (Hold notes to original pitches), - but nothing happens.
> The present signature stays.  Any suggesttions?
>
> Thanks,
> Katherine Hoover
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[Finale] solution to part problem

[Katherine Hoover]

Well I found a solution:  The part had 2 sharps, and I wanted it to  
read with no key signature (i. e. C major) ... I found that if I set  
the key sig. tool for 2 flats it removed the 2 #'s and left the notes  
in the same place (as I had checked).  Not a musically apt solution,  
but hey, it worked!

Katherine Hoover
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Re: [Finale] rests in layers

[John Howell]

At 12:02 AM -0400 6/14/12, Linda Worsley wrote:
>Don't know if this has ever been discussed. I have a client who uses a lot
>of layers in his piano notation. Very useful, of course  (He is using
>Encore, and gives me pdfs of the Encore scores to enter into Finale.)  Not
>hard, but When he puts the notation in layers, he tends to leave layers
>incomplete. For example, he might put a half note (in 4/4) in layer 2 of
>the left hand part, and leaver the rest of that layer blank. The top layer
>(usually Layer 1) Layer one typically uses all four beats, as it should.
>  Meanwhile, layer 2 contains 2 beats..  s.
>
>I have always put rests in places where a layer stops short.  Is this just
>compulsive/neurotic of me or is it actually required that we fill out the
>rest of the measure with rests?
>
>Is there an actual rule for this?  A general practice that ignores the
>rule?


Linda:  The replies I've seen so far obviously 
don't agree.  But my suggestion is to stop 
thinking about these in "layers" (the mechanics) 
and instead think about them as "voices" (the 
music) that may join the musical context for a 
time and then drop out.  I'm not a keyboardist 
(and you should favor replies from those who are, 
of course), but that is very common in piano 
music, and my general impression (with no 
authority whatsoever) is that filling in rests, 
unless the context is ambiguous for some reason, 
simply adds to the clutter.

If there is a set number of voices (i.e. a 
4-voice fugal texture, for example), I would go 
back to editions of Bach's works to see what the 
common practice was.  For music less formally 
contrapuntal perhaps Chopin or Liszt would be 
better models.

John


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Re: [Finale] 2012 for $99 Thumbs up or down? Need more input!!!

[Raymond Horton]

Hey, folks, I expected a LOT more than two replies on this subject!
 (Thanks, Ryan and Jef!)

I know you can't tell me if the (Windows) Finale 2011 to 2012 upgrade is
worth $99 of MY money - just tell me if you think it would be worth $99 of
YOUR money.

The deal is good through Friday:   Upgrade Today for
$99

Raymond Horton
Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
Composer, Arranger
VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com


On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Raymond Horton wrote:

> OK guys, I'd like to ask for your input.
>
> I am a sucker, the kind that has kept Finale afloat.  Ever since coming
> over to Finale (Windows) from archaic software in 1997, I have upgraded
> every year - I think I am pathologically afraid I am going to miss
> something.  The only upgrade I regretted was  2007 - it had that terrible
> "print to postage stamp-size" bug that only seemed to hit a few unfortunate
> users.
>
> Last summer, as my primary employer (The Louisville Orchestra) was doing
> everything it could to not employ musicians for over a year, I skipped
> 2012.  It was difficult for someone as mentally dented as myself, but I did
> it and took great comfort in the complaints here about Score Manager, etc.,
> and happily went along with 2011.  (I even warned my daughter not to
> upgrade.)  I do have issues with 2011, from time to time, but I realize I
> may have to replace my 5-year-old computer at some point and blame it most
> of the time.
>
> We are back on the payroll, now (well, if the first check comes out Friday
> as promised) and I could swing the 2012 upgrade, if it is worthwhile.  We
> have two more days at the $99 price - so what's your verdict?  WinFin2012
> over 2011 for $99 - yes or no?
>
> Thanks for your input!
>
> Raymond Horton
> Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra
> Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC
> Composer, Arranger
> VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com
>
>
>
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Re: [Finale] rests in layers

[Linda Worsley]

Thanks, everyone.
Much appreciated!

Linda Worsley

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Florence + Michael wrote:

> Yes: only use rests when absolutely necessary for clarity, or when the
> music is in strict counterpoint. Here's what Elaine Gould writes in her
> comprehensive guide to music notation, "Behind Bars", in the section on
> part writing for keyboard instruments:
>
> "Keyboard writing can move from a single line to any number of parts as
> required from beat to beat." (p. 310)
>
> "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible, use rests sparingly for
> additional parts: when both hands are already playing, the pianist does not
> want to read extra rests, except to clarify the placing of additional parts
> that have independent rhythm." (p. 311-312)
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 14 Jun 2012, at 11:25, Andrew Moschou wrote:
>
> > Actually, no. Piano music can start/stop parts ("layers") on a beat by
> beat
> > basis. This is preferable in non-contrapuntal contexts and is usually
> > perfectly clear.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14 June 2012 17:51, SN jef chippewa  >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> needs rests
> >>
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[Finale] changing key for transposed part

[Katherine Hoover]

I have Finale 2011.  There is a part that would be easier to read if  
I print it without a key signature (as in C Major).  I followed the  
Finale Internet instructions - to the key sig. tool, marking it  
properly (Hold notes to original pitches), - but nothing happens.   
The present signature stays.  Any suggesttions?

Thanks,
Katherine Hoover
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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[David H. Bailey]

I believe it is British in usage -- I've seen it in a number of e-mails 
to the Sibelius group, which seems to have a much larger British 
contingent of users than does Finale.

David H. Bailey


On 6/14/2012 8:14 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
>> Here's what Elaine Gould writes
>> "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
>
> Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to me,
> even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form until
> recently, and wondered if it's regional?
>
> Dennis
>
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Re: [Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Phil Daley]

At 6/14/2012 08:14 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:

 >On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
 >> Here's what Elaine Gould writes
 >> "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible
 >
 >Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to me,
 >even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form until
 >recently, and wondered if it's regional?


I've never heard it before.  New England.

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[Finale] staff-stave usage, was: Re: rests in layers

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Thu, June 14, 2012 7:36 am, Florence + Michael wrote:
> Here's what Elaine Gould writes
> "To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible

Just curious: Do you use 'stave' for the singular form? It sounds odd to me,
even though it's apparently correct. I hadn't heard this singular form until
recently, and wondered if it's regional?

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] rests in layers

[Florence + Michael]

Yes: only use rests when absolutely necessary for clarity, or when the music is 
in strict counterpoint. Here's what Elaine Gould writes in her comprehensive 
guide to music notation, "Behind Bars", in the section on part writing for 
keyboard instruments:

"Keyboard writing can move from a single line to any number of parts as 
required from beat to beat." (p. 310)

"To keep the stave as uncluttered as possible, use rests sparingly for 
additional parts: when both hands are already playing, the pianist does not 
want to read extra rests, except to clarify the placing of additional parts 
that have independent rhythm." (p. 311-312)

Michael


On 14 Jun 2012, at 11:25, Andrew Moschou wrote:

> Actually, no. Piano music can start/stop parts ("layers") on a beat by beat
> basis. This is preferable in non-contrapuntal contexts and is usually
> perfectly clear.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14 June 2012 17:51, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> 
>> 
>> needs rests
>> 
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Re: [Finale] Youtube / music videos and revenue sharing question

[David H. Bailey]

On 6/14/2012 7:03 AM, Lawrence Yates wrote:
> I had the same problem with a local authority (town hall) who refused to
> copy parts for one of my compositions because "you can't photocopy music".
>
> It's encouraging to know that they are keen to defend our rights, but I
> agree, rather frustrating at the time.
>

While perhaps encouraging to know that they are keen to defend our 
rights, it is equally appalling to learn how little they know about the 
laws that establish those rights they so vigorously pretend to defend.

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Re: [Finale] Youtube / music videos and revenue sharing question

[Lawrence Yates]

I had the same problem with a local authority (town hall) who refused to
copy parts for one of my compositions because "you can't photocopy music".

It's encouraging to know that they are keen to defend our rights, but I
agree, rather frustrating at the time.

Cheers,

Lawrence

On 14 June 2012 03:58, John Howell  wrote:


> Sounds like a "Kinko's reaction"!  If they see a
> copyright notice they refuse to copy the work.
> My wife took in one of her own compositions, told
> them flat out that she was the composer, and they
> refused to believe her.  We haven't done business
> with them ever since.  They may have changed, but
> I'm not holding my breath.
>
> John
>
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Re: [Finale] rests in layers

[Andrew Moschou]

Actually, no. Piano music can start/stop parts ("layers") on a beat by beat
basis. This is preferable in non-contrapuntal contexts and is usually
perfectly clear.



On 14 June 2012 17:51, SN jef chippewa wrote:

>
> needs rests
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Re: [Finale] rests in layers

[SN jef chippewa]

needs rests

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