Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
No, I could not find any way to flip the tie. I ended up just removing it because it was worst than having no end-tie at all. The last note before the endings was second space with the stem up as normal. I didn't override anything. The tie to the right of the last measure before the endings was below the notehead, as one would expect. The tie goes into the same note in the first ending, and the tie is continuous. It all looks exactly as one wound expect. The first note in the second ending is identical to the first note in the first ending (second space with stem up), but that ending tie went above the notehead. Gr. On 8/1/2012 3:41 PM, J D Thomas wrote: > If the tie is in the wrong direction, can you use the flip option in Special > Tools to get it right? > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On 02.08.2012 02:24, David H. Bailey wrote: > > Why? WordPerfect is still a great word processor -- just because the > company that owns it can't make it the wordprocessor everybody uses, due > to microsoft's monopoly powers, doesn't change the fact that it's still > a great product. > That it is. I've been happily using WordPerfect for the past twenty years. I wouldn't think of trading it in for MSWord, which I find to be a really dodgy beast. Howard Howard Weiner h.wei...@online.de http://howard-weiner.de/ A backward poet writes inverse ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On 8/1/2012 2:46 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > On 8/1/2012 5:22 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: >> WordPerfect is very far from the people who originated it (several >> iterations of ownership, actually) yet it remains a robust word >> processing environment > > David, I was with you -- right up to that instant. > > I'm thinking if Finale follows the path of WordPerfect, that is probably > not great news. Why? WordPerfect is still a great word processor -- just because the company that owns it can't make it the wordprocessor everybody uses, due to microsoft's monopoly powers, doesn't change the fact that it's still a great product. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Eric Dannewitz wrote: > > YeahrobustI don't know of anyone using WordPerfect and didn't > know the company was still making it... Well despite who you know (and their software choices): WordPerfect is a mainstay in the legal profession, and is used by the Dept of Justice; WordPefect has a strong following in academia. Corel seems to have a very healthy relationship with their WordPerfect customers too. Thanks ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Actually, I had not known about the option= keystroke until Chuck mentioned it. Haven't had a chance to test it yet. If the tie is in the wrong direction, can you use the flip option in Special Tools to get it right? J D Thomas ThomaStudios On Aug 1, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > Maybe this is a Mac versus Windows thing, but that doesn't work for me. > As I read the doc, it seems to me that this command is supposed to do a > FULL tie back to the previous note. And that is exactly what it does on > my system -- ties back to the last note in the first ending, which is > wrong of course. Curiously, when I first enter the command, it displays > a half tie, but when I move to another measure, it becomes a full tie > page into the first ending. > > I tried the "tie end" option. That does work better for me, but it > still has a problem. It seems to be arbitrary about whether to put the > tie above or below the notehead, and it does not respond to the command > to flip the tie -- so I an stuck with one note that has a really > stupid-looking tie going the wrong direction. > > This is an example of one of those basic functionality things that the > Finale people have neglected for years while adding playback features of > dubious value. > > > > On 7/31/2012 12:34 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: >> It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second >> ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and >> usually does. >> >> There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't >> work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. >> >> Chuck >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: >> >>> This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where >>> the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first >>> note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal >>> case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the >>> first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. >>> >>> The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" >>> going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do >>> this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very >>> straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure >>> before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie >>> going into the ending." >>> >>> I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? >>> ___ >>> Finale mailing list >>> Finale@shsu.edu >>> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> Chuck Israels >> 8831 SE 12th Ave. >> Portland, OR 97202-7097 >> >> land line: (503) 954-2107 >> cell phone: (360) 201-3434 >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale >> >> > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
YeahrobustI don't know of anyone using WordPerfect and didn't know the company was still making it... I mean, we know how successful Corel draw is Sent from my iSomething -- On Aug 1, 2012, at 12:13 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > On 8/1/2012 5:22 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: >> WordPerfect is very far from the people who originated it (several >> iterations of ownership, actually) yet it remains a robust word >> processing environment > > David, I was with you -- right up to that instant. > > I'm thinking if Finale follows the path of WordPerfect, that is probably > not great news. > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On 8/1/2012 5:22 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: > WordPerfect is very far from the people who originated it (several > iterations of ownership, actually) yet it remains a robust word > processing environment David, I was with you -- right up to that instant. I'm thinking if Finale follows the path of WordPerfect, that is probably not great news. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ties into second endings
Maybe this is a Mac versus Windows thing, but that doesn't work for me. As I read the doc, it seems to me that this command is supposed to do a FULL tie back to the previous note. And that is exactly what it does on my system -- ties back to the last note in the first ending, which is wrong of course. Curiously, when I first enter the command, it displays a half tie, but when I move to another measure, it becomes a full tie page into the first ending. I tried the "tie end" option. That does work better for me, but it still has a problem. It seems to be arbitrary about whether to put the tie above or below the notehead, and it does not respond to the command to flip the tie -- so I an stuck with one note that has a really stupid-looking tie going the wrong direction. This is an example of one of those basic functionality things that the Finale people have neglected for years while adding playback features of dubious value. On 7/31/2012 12:34 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: > It usually works for me to enter Opt./= on the first note of the second > ending. That is supposed to put a backwards half tie on the note and usually > does. > > There have been times (perhaps with older updated files) where that doesn't > work, and I have to use a hand slur adjusted to resemble the ties. > > Chuck > > > On Jul 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > >> This is something that has always bugged me. There are many cases where >> the last note before an ending ties, and the tie goes into the first >> note of BOTH the first and second ending. In fact, that is the normal >> case of a tie. In my view, it is invalid to right a tie going into the >> first ending if the tie doesn't also go into the second ending. >> >> The normal way of notating this is to show "the right half of the tie" >> going into the first note of the second ending. But Finale doesn't do >> this. It seems that it should be automatic. It would seem to be very >> straightforward to say "If an ending begins with a note and the measure >> before the ending ended with a tie, then draw the right end of the tie >> going into the ending." >> >> I cannot find any option that does this. Am I missing something? >> ___ >> Finale mailing list >> Finale@shsu.edu >> http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > Chuck Israels > 8831 SE 12th Ave. > Portland, OR 97202-7097 > > land line: (503) 954-2107 > cell phone: (360) 201-3434 > > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] MakeMusic received a buyout offer?
On 7/31/2012 10:34 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: > David, > > My understanding is that Sibelius won't be retaining the core group > of staff who have helped shape the software over the past 15 years. > Instead, Avid will be outsourcing continued development of Sibelius > to programmers in Eastern Europe, in a pure cost-cutting move. That > doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the future of the product. The > most important asset any piece of software has are the human beings > who helped develop it, and if those people aren't being retained, > then it's hard to see how the software will continue to move in a > positive direction. > [snip] That is the big worry. However, consider the fact that the Finn Brothers, who initially developed Sibelius (it was entirely their brain-child originally), sold it and it continued to be a great product and even flourished after they left. Daniel Spreadbury started as the writer of manuals, yet he rose to prominence as the driving force behind the product. One can only hope that such an individual is in place in the development office Sibelius is being moved to. As I understand things, it's not that Avid is "outsourcing" development of Sibelius, but rather moving it to development offices they already have and are using for their other software, such as ProTools. So the picture isn't quite as bleak as if they were running an ad in the Croatian version of Craigslist to the effect of "people familiar with computer programming wanted part-time to work on software pertaining to a field in which they are unfamiliar." They're not just handing the development to people who are unfamiliar with music software. The ProTools team has already been working with Sibelius to incorporate some of its notation capabilities into ProTools. There are many pieces of software which have continued to evolve in a positive manner long after those with the initial vision have left -- how many Finale developers are the same as when the product started? Everybody in the Sibelius community is scared to death that this will be the death knell of the product. It might be, it might not be, only time will tell. WordPerfect is very far from the people who originated it (several iterations of ownership, actually) yet it remains a robust word processing environment which still hasn't failed me and has continued to grow and evolve despite being developed by people who originally were unfamiliar with the product. Somebody at Avid thinks that the developers in other development offices they have will be able to keep the development going -- Sibelius is one of their profit centers -- so we just have to hope that they are right. Daniel Spreadbury himself, sometime long before this crisis emerged, had said that a major part of a recent update (can't remember if it was Sib5 or Sib6) was programmed somewhere half-way around the world. Of course what happened to other musical products such as MasterTracksPro and Encore can certainly show the downside of corporate greed and neglect. So both Sibelius and Finale are poised on tiny points of hope and the balance could tip either way (the products continue to grow and mature or they wither and die). But both products remain sources of profit for their owners so I'm hoping they will tip to the side of continued growth and prosperity. And I also hope that disgruntled former developers at either/both Sibelius/Finale will put their programming skills to work to help MuseScore prosper or to bring out entirely new notation products to compete with their former bosses. In the meantime, my biggest fear remains that if either piece of software (Finale or Sibelius) is allowed to die, some mechanism is put in place for freeing us from on-line activation so that we can continue to move the software to new computers as long as the hardware and the operating system will allow the software to run. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
