Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Automatic saves in Finale 2014: how do I set the folders for them?
On 12/27/2014 10:36 AM, Kenneth Moore wrote: I have had Finale 2014 (on Windows 8.1 [spit for protection!]) for only five days, but have searched the documentation fairly energetically during that period, trying to discover how to set the folders to which automatic saves and previous copy saves are sent (.asv and .bak in F2004 of blessed memory). I have not even found an indication that these saves happen in this version. Please will someone give me the route to the place in the documentation that describes what F2014 does. I don't know where the information is in the documentation, but that setting is where it's always been, in the Preferences dialog. On Windows machines, it's under the Edit menu. Select Preferences and then select Folders and then you can set the locations of the folders for your Finale files, for backup files, for your Autosave files, template files, and other such things. I don't know which folder to look under for the Preferences dialog on Macs. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Automatic saves in Finale 2014: how do I set the folders for them?
Finale Preferences Folders Just like on a PC ;-) Eric * Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de webmas...@habsburgerverlag.de * Am 28.12.2014 um 12:59 schrieb David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com: I don't know which folder to look under for the Preferences dialog on Macs. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I should try scroll view / page view prior to printing. When I get home. No one else has experienced this? On Dec 28, 2014 6:55 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
There used to be a spacing option somewhere that forced X-number of measures on each system. For the life of me I can't find it now, but that might be the source of the problem if it still exists. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I should try scroll view / page view prior to printing. When I get home. No one else has experienced this? On Dec 28, 2014 6:55 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On Mac, cmd-sh M (probably ctr sh M on Windows) is the Fit Music command. You have to choose a passage first. Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 10:09 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: There used to be a spacing option somewhere that forced X-number of measures on each system. For the life of me I can't find it now, but that might be the source of the problem if it still exists. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Raymond Horton horton.raym...@gmail.com wrote: I should try scroll view / page view prior to printing. When I get home. No one else has experienced this? On Dec 28, 2014 6:55 AM, David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I, like you, wait until the end to enact staff system locks. But then I lock EVERYTHING! I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos. On Dec 28, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
What could be going on with the OP is that the default file used to start the project contained the locks already. A long-term issue with Finale is that if you create a piece with locked systems, especially if only a system is locked here and there, when you delete the measures the locks are retained. The issue may have been fixed in recent versions, but if you carried forward a default file from earlier versions, it might have this issue. The way to fix it is to add a bunch of measures to your default file (1000 is probably enough) then select all and unlock systems, then delete the measures down to the number you want in your default file, then save. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: I, like you, wait until the end to enact staff system locks. But then I lock EVERYTHING! I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Yes, I am sure you are right. But you also have to repeat the break locks FOR EVERY SEPARATE PART. So this little fix might end up taking a few minutes for a large orchestra score. And large orchestra scores with voiced linked parts are exactly the type of file that benefits from having a template ready to go (it's a giant pain to create those voiced part after the Setup Wizard!) Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 11:52 AM, Robert Patterson wrote: What could be going on with the OP is that the default file used to start the project contained the locks already. A long-term issue with Finale is that if you create a piece with locked systems, especially if only a system is locked here and there, when you delete the measures the locks are retained. The issue may have been fixed in recent versions, but if you carried forward a default file from earlier versions, it might have this issue. The way to fix it is to add a bunch of measures to your default file (1000 is probably enough) then select all and unlock systems, then delete the measures down to the number you want in your default file, then save. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: I, like you, wait until the end to enact staff system locks. But then I lock EVERYTHING! I've too often had Finale parse the spacing differently while printing and I end up with my 6-bar system as 5 bars plus one bar by itself on its own line, then the part runs to four pages instead of three and the 4th page only has one system on it. Grr. I agree wholeheartedly with your philosophy on proper part layout. I find, however, that having a to coda in the middle of a line is not so bad. Not having a repeat starting a system is WAY worse! Christopher On 28-Dec-14, at 28-Dec-14 10:51 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: I guess my work flow is different from many. I work about 95% in scroll mode until it is time to do final parts layouts. This seems so much faster, getting more of the most useful content on the screen, especially when using staff views aggressively. Even so, when I do switch over to page view, I generally find some locks have been set. I never tried to figure out why there were some locks. Perhaps they were inherited by starting with a copy of another score rather then setting up a fresh score from scratch each time. For me it is no big deal. I simply wipe out the locks and then put in my new locks. I have locks on nearly every system because: * I pay careful attention to page turns, * I try to put signs at the beginning of lines and to coda at the ends of lines * When possible, I avoid splitting musical lines across systems These things all lead to more accurate reading. By taking an extra 10 minutes on the layout, I can save 20 minutes in rehearsal and have fewer errors in performance. On 12/28/2014 6:53 AM, David H. Bailey wrote: On 12/27/2014 7:49 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Is this a facet of the page view mode? I work almost exclusively in scroll mode until the final layout time and this just doesn't come up much as an issue. It should never be any sort of an issue in scroll view, since there is only one very long system. - David H. Bailey ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: voiced linked parts ??? Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Hi all Just to state the obvious, when moving measures that affect systems 10 and 11 and you do an update layout, you must do so at least from the page that contains system 10. Update layout doesn't work globally but only from the current location forward. Andrew Levin Often, when I move systems, the file fails to update and shows one system in two places at once. Alt-U doesn't help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
I appreciate all suggestions, but I don't think that was the problem, Andrew. I'll observe more closely if it happens again. On Dec 28, 2014 1:35 PM, Andrew Levin ale...@clemson.edu wrote: Hi all Just to state the obvious, when moving measures that affect systems 10 and 11 and you do an update layout, you must do so at least from the page that contains system 10. Update layout doesn't work globally but only from the current location forward. Andrew Levin Often, when I move systems, the file fails to update and shows one system in two places at once. Alt-U doesn't help. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Linked parts, I imagine you know that it only means that the parts are contained in the same file as the score. Voiced means that 2 flutes can share the same score staff, yet each have their own separate linked part, using the voicing rules you set up in the part definition. Say, flute 1 uses only the top note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 1 when there are two layers. Flute 2 uses the only the bottom note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 2 when there are two layers. Using voiced linked parts saves a lot of bother, but there are two huge obstacles still, which are cues and grace notes. Cues are a problem when you have used the voicing rules to include only one layer, but your cues have to be in a second layer. There are kludges for this, but it is much easier just to have a separate file from the score file with all the linked parts in it (NOT voiced, but split to their own staves). Grace notes do not space correctly when used on a voiced linked part. This is a bug. Unvoiced linked parts are fine, so the same solution (separate parts file) can save you, or just extract the flute parts to their own files. Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 12:22 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: voiced linked parts ??? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Locked systems
Thanks! Raymond Horton Bass Trombonist, Louisville Orchestra Minister of Music, Edwardsville (IN) UMC Composer, Arranger VISIT US AT rayhortonmusic.com On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: Linked parts, I imagine you know that it only means that the parts are contained in the same file as the score. Voiced means that 2 flutes can share the same score staff, yet each have their own separate linked part, using the voicing rules you set up in the part definition. Say, flute 1 uses only the top note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 1 when there are two layers. Flute 2 uses the only the bottom note when there are two notes on the same stem or only layer 2 when there are two layers. Using voiced linked parts saves a lot of bother, but there are two huge obstacles still, which are cues and grace notes. Cues are a problem when you have used the voicing rules to include only one layer, but your cues have to be in a second layer. There are kludges for this, but it is much easier just to have a separate file from the score file with all the linked parts in it (NOT voiced, but split to their own staves). Grace notes do not space correctly when used on a voiced linked part. This is a bug. Unvoiced linked parts are fine, so the same solution (separate parts file) can save you, or just extract the flute parts to their own files. Christopher On Sun Dec 28, at SundayDec 28 12:22 PM, Raymond Horton wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 11:59 AM, Christopher Smith christopher.sm...@videotron.ca wrote: voiced linked parts ??? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
