Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[dershem]

On 7/13/2016 8:18 PM, Mark D Lew wrote:
> In the late 1980s I played around with Lime.  I liked Lime in its
> general structure and approach, but it was limited.
>
> The first version of Finale I used was version 2-point-something,
> which I borrowed from a cousin.  It wasn’t long before I knew I
> wanted it, so I bought my own and started with v3.0.  I still fondly
> remember the lovely three-volume user manual/tutorial/encyclopedia.
>
> I was a frequent Finale user all through the 1990s, but some time
> around 2005 my life turned in a different direction and since then
> engraving is something I only dabble in occasionally.  This year, for
> the first time in almost three decades, I’m without any working
> version of Finale.  I had to upgrade my computer in January; I was
> advised that my version of Finale — v2010 — wouldn’t work well on my
> new operating system, so I never reinstalled it.
>
> I’m only now starting to miss it.  A few weeks ago I pulled out an
> old arrangement and started doodling with it — with pen and paper! —
> and more generally I’ve started feeling the desire to get back into
> music again.
>
> So now I’m planning to upgrade.  I think there’s a good chance I’ll
> make the jump to Dorico in the fall, but I don’t think I’ll want to
> be with nothing for that long.  (And besides, most of the cost will
> be made up in the cross-grade vs new price for Dorico.)
>
> mdl

 I did a lot of hand-copying back in the 70's - paid part of my way 
through college doing it, and was tempted to go to LA to work for 
Alphaeus or Judy Greene, but got sidetracked.
 Been using FInale since probably version 2 or so - I remember the 
enormous manuals we got with that version.  I still use version 10, and 
have had zero problems under Windows 10 (64 bit).  I have 2012, but ... 
many of the changes were unfriendly to the way I work, so I don't use it.
 I used Finale during the years I was a copyist for Walrus Music, 
until it got sold, and never had a complaint, but I also built a lot of 
libraries that helped legibility, and that didn't transfer to 2012.

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Re: [Finale] rest autofill

[Linda Worsley]

Perfect!  Thanks!

L.W.
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Re: [Finale] rest autofill

[j...@thomastudios.com]

Speedy menu, available with the Speed Entry tool active.  Then Speedy Options.


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> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:57 PM, Linda Worsley  wrote:
> 
> Fin mac 2012
> How do I turn of "automatically fill with rests" in an incomplete measure.
> 
> I used to know where it is... can't find it!
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Linda Worsley
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[Finale] rest autofill

[Linda Worsley]

Fin mac 2012
How do I turn of "automatically fill with rests" in an incomplete measure.

I used to know where it is... can't find it!

Thanks in advance!

Linda Worsley
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Mark D Lew]

In the late 1980s I played around with Lime.  I liked Lime in its general 
structure and approach, but it was limited.

The first version of Finale I used was version 2-point-something, which I 
borrowed from a cousin.  It wasn’t long before I knew I wanted it, so I bought 
my own and started with v3.0.  I still fondly remember the lovely three-volume 
user manual/tutorial/encyclopedia.

I was a frequent Finale user all through the 1990s, but some time around 2005 
my life turned in a different direction and since then engraving is something I 
only dabble in occasionally.  This year, for the first time in almost three 
decades, I’m without any working version of Finale.  I had to upgrade my 
computer in January; I was advised that my version of Finale — v2010 — wouldn’t 
work well on my new operating system, so I never reinstalled it.

I’m only now starting to miss it.  A few weeks ago I pulled out an old 
arrangement and started doodling with it — with pen and paper! — and more 
generally I’ve started feeling the desire to get back into music again.

So now I’m planning to upgrade.  I think there’s a good chance I’ll make the 
jump to Dorico in the fall, but I don’t think I’ll want to be with nothing for 
that long.  (And besides, most of the cost will be made up in the cross-grade 
vs new price for Dorico.)

mdl
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[Linda Worsley]

Thanks, I got it working.

Much appreciated!

Linda
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[S Jones]

Click the staff tool.

Now click on the measure you want to put the repeat sign in to highlight
it.

Once it is highlighted just type the letter O to insert the symbol. This is
the keyboard shortcut for going to the staff tools menu and navigating to
the repeat staff style.

On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Linda Worsley  wrote:

> Type the letter O where?
> Sorry... I selected a measure and went to
> staff styles, but... Confused.
>
> Help appreciated, sorry I'm too dense to make it work..
>
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[Linda Worsley]

Oops... it suddenly started working!  Thanks!

(I love electronics... when they work.)

Again, thank you!

Linda
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[Linda Worsley]

Type the letter O where?
Sorry... I selected a measure and went to
staff styles, but... Confused.

Help appreciated, sorry I'm too dense to make it work..

Linda
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[S Jones]

Staff style.  Select the staff tool, highlight the measure and type the
letter O on your keyboard for a 1 measure repeat. Type the letter T for a
two measure repeat sign.



On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Linda Worsley  wrote:

> I'm trying to put a repeat sign (not the repeat carline, but the symbol
> consisting of the diagonal line with two dots on either side) in an empty
> measure.  A "repeat the previous measure" symbol.  But I want to put it in
> a measure where it is the only thing displayed. (I have disabled the
> "display rests in empty measures, but it doesn't seem to make any
> difference anyway.)
>
> Finale will allow me to put an expression into that measure, but I can't
> find that symbol in the expression tool menu.  I CAN find it in the
> articulation tool menu, but Finale will not let me put an articulation in
> an empty measure. I can enter a "hard whole note rest" in those measures,
> but I don't want it to show along with the repeat mark.
>
> Strangely, after decades of using Finale,  I have not used this symbol in a
> score and I'm not sure how to solve this.
>
> Help!  (and thanks in advance).
>
> Linda Worsley
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Re: [Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[Linda Worsley]

And of course I meant "bar line" in the first sentence.  Spellcheck doesn't
recognize it as one word.
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[Finale] Fin Mac 12 Creating symbol in empty measure

[Linda Worsley]

I'm trying to put a repeat sign (not the repeat carline, but the symbol
consisting of the diagonal line with two dots on either side) in an empty
measure.  A "repeat the previous measure" symbol.  But I want to put it in
a measure where it is the only thing displayed. (I have disabled the
"display rests in empty measures, but it doesn't seem to make any
difference anyway.)

Finale will allow me to put an expression into that measure, but I can't
find that symbol in the expression tool menu.  I CAN find it in the
articulation tool menu, but Finale will not let me put an articulation in
an empty measure. I can enter a "hard whole note rest" in those measures,
but I don't want it to show along with the repeat mark.

Strangely, after decades of using Finale,  I have not used this symbol in a
score and I'm not sure how to solve this.

Help!  (and thanks in advance).

Linda Worsley
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[David H. Bailey]

On 7/13/2016 12:49 PM, Ryan wrote:
> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
>
[snip]

That's about when I moved to Finale.  Version 3.5 was my first Finale 
version.

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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Raphael, 
Jack's then-colleague at berklee, Greg Fritze, told me about MP+, and I then 
permanently lost my left-handed osmiroid, all my Scripto K780s, and the 
Not-a-Set pages. ;-)
Jim

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:12 PM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
>  wrote:
> 
> My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
> later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
> MusicPrinterPlus...
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan :
>> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Could you please give me that download link for Finale 1.0?
> Am 13.07.2016 um 19:30 schrieb Robert Patterson :
> 
> I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
> Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> exactly how much!)
> 
> Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> 
> For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
> that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
> you could still download it. How far we've come!
> 
> (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> 10.11. Haha)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

My composition teacher at Berklee, Jack Jarrett, wrote MusicPrinterPlus…. and 
later developed Notion, at least until Version 3…. he is still using 
MusicPrinterPlus...

> Am 13.07.2016 um 18:49 schrieb Ryan :
> 
> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Wow-didn't think this would elicit so many replies 

I had the original MusicPrinter on my apple
 ][e and][e, then moved to Laser Music Processor (anyone else use that one???) 
and MusicPrinter Plus on my PCs circa 1987(?).
I also had a utility called Laser Twin that (allegedly) made 9-pin dot-matrix 
printer output resemble a laser printer. Sorta. It did so by overtyping six or 
seven times. Sometimes it put holes in the paper from all the overtyping, as I 
recall.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:28 PM, GERALD BERG  wrote:
> 
> Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team 
> as i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was 
> an after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB
> 
>  From: David Froom 
> To: finale@shsu.edu 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
> 
> Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
> Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
> slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of 
> the generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of 
> raised rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them 
> that when I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one 
> could still find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of 
> music scribes, all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts 
> for shows, bands, commercials, and the few composers who were getting big 
> orchestral performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the 
> finished scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus 
> (which became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper 
> and pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, 
> ink, special rulers). 
> 
> Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
> floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and 
> pre smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent 
> graphic), and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only 
> because fixing mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get 
> something that actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around 
> the mid 1990s that Finale became faster than doing it by hand.
> 
> David Froom
> 
>>> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
 bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
 Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[GERALD BERG]

Professional Composer and Professional Performer!  A 2 floppy disk tag team as 
i recall.  I  miss it for composing. The time signature and bar line was an 
after thought whereas in Finale it is a before you begin kind of thing. GJB

  From: David Froom 
 To: finale@shsu.edu 
 Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 1:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...
   
Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Jón Kristinn Cortez]

I was using (HB) Music Engraver on Mac SE when I saw the ad for Finale 1. The 
price was $1.000! 
I had to save up and got Finale 2.0.6 and have had nearly all upgrades since.
Oldest file now on my computer is Finale 3.0.1r11. Opens fine in Finale 2014d.

Cortez


> On 13. júl. 2016, at 17:30, Robert Patterson  
> wrote:
> 
> I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
> Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
> exactly how much!)
> 
> Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.
> 
> For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
> that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
> you could still download it. How far we've come!
> 
> (I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
> 10.11. Haha)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
>> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
>> that all the way up until 1996!
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
>> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>>> 
 On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
 
> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>>> used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>>> the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.
 
 Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>>> version
 until version 2.
 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I started with Finale 1.0, preordering it before it was actually available.
Don't ask me how much it cost. >>shudder<< (You other 1.0 users know
exactly how much!)

Before that I was using Deluxe Music Construction Set and ProCo.

For the twentieth anniversary (F09 I believe), MM released a standalone app
that runs Finale 1.0 inside a Mac 512 virtual machine. Last time I checked
you could still download it. How far we've come!

(I can still run my Mac OS 9 versions of Finale in Sheepshaver running on
10.11. Haha)



On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Ryan  wrote:

> MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
> that all the way up until 1996!
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
>
> > Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> > 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
> > 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >
> > > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> > bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> > >> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> > used
> > >> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> > >> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
> > the
> > >> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> > >
> > > Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> > version
> > > until version 2.
> > >
> > > Dennis
> > >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[David Froom]

Another since-v.1 user here. Prior to that, I tried using MOTU Professional 
Composer. I still have a score that used MOTU for notes only, and I drew in 
slurs, dynamics, articulations by hand (which I was OK with because I’m of the 
generation that had a Pelikan fountain pen with a music nib, a set of raised 
rulers, and an electric eraser). I amuse my students by telling them that when 
I moved to from LA to NYC in 1979 to start a doctorate program, one could still 
find employment in downtown LA or midtown NYC in a room full of music scribes, 
all with pen and ink, dutifully writing out scores and parts for shows, bands, 
commercials, and the few composers who were getting big orchestral 
performances. We used to get our onion-skin paper and bring in the finished 
scores for blue-print printing at Circle Blue Print in NYC, Alpheus (which 
became Judy Green Music) in LA. Judy Green also had all the best paper and 
pencils (with double-sized erasers) and general supplies (pens, nibs, ink, 
special rulers). 

Then Finale! Did v.1 come out in 1988? Even on a Mac Plus, (files on one 
floppy, programs on the other — remember the repeated disk swapping?), and pre 
smart shapes (when you had to generate each slur as an independent graphic), 
and tiny computer screens, it was worth the effort — if only because fixing 
mistakes was faster, and, with enough fussing, you could get something that 
actually looked pretty good!  I think it was finally around the mid 1990s that 
Finale became faster than doing it by hand.

David Froom
 
> On 13 Jul 2016, at 1:00 PM,  
>  wrote:
> 
>> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
>> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
>> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>> 
>>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
>> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
>>> 
 On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
 Don?t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
>> used
 Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
 knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
>> the
 always reliable Christopher Smith.
>>> 
>>> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
>> version
>>> until version 2.
>>> 
>>> Dennis
>>> 


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Ryan]

MusicPrinter Plus! Wow, I haven't thought about that in a long time. I used
that all the way up until 1996!

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Williams, Jim <
jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:

> Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale
> 2.x for my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now
> 80% Finale, 20% Sibelius.
>
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
>
> > On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <
> bath...@maltedmedia.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> >> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have
> used
> >> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> >> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including
> the
> >> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> >
> > Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows
> version
> > until version 2.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Williams, Jim]

Same as Dennis here--around 1989, quit MusicPrinter plus and got Finale 2.x for 
my 386 computer . Strayed a couple of times along the way and now 80% Finale, 
20% Sibelius.

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 12:39 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
>> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
>> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
>> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
>> always reliable Christopher Smith.
> 
> Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
> until version 2.
> 
> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 12:35 pm, Chuck Israels wrote:
> Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used
> Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose
> knowledge of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the
> always reliable Christopher Smith.

Indeed! I didn't start with version 1 because there was no Windows version
until version 2.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Chuck Israels]

Don’t know if there are others here with the same history, but I have used 
Finale since v.1.0.  Nevertheless, there are a number of others whose knowledge 
of the program runs considerably deeper than mine, including the always 
reliable Christopher Smith.

Chuck


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:02 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
>  wrote:
> 
> How long have you been a Finale user? 1993? Wow…
> impressive.
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz 
>> :
>> 
>> Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.
>> 
>> Dennis
>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

How long have you been a Finale user? 1993? Wow…
impressive.

> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:50 schrieb Dennis Bathory-Kitsz :
> 
> Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.
> 
> Dennis
> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Found a Finale 2.2 file from 1993. Conversion to 2014.5 was flawless.

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Wed, July 13, 2016 11:32 am, Robert Patterson wrote:
> F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
> may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
> Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
> significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

I just loaded up a Finale 97 file to test. No problems at all. Fonts & such
needed updating (no more Tms Rmn or Helv), but the conversion didn't lose
anything.

Now off to find some Finale 2.2 files to test... :)

Dennis


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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

F14.5 opens any legacy file, including Fin09. How well the conversion works
may depending on saves in intermediate versions, but short of possible
Adobe PS Type 1 font encoding issues, I don't imagine Johannes will see any
significant issues upgrading a F09 file.

What you may be thinking of is that Fin14+ can *export* a legacy F12 file.
It cannot export a legacy file for any version before F12.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne <
raphael.tho...@drraphaeldthone.onmicrosoft.com> wrote:

> To my knowledge, F2014 opens F2012-files directly and without hesitation…
>
>
> > Am 13.07.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Dick Hauser :
> >
> > I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my
> understanding that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12
> version database structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t
> open an F09 file directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to
> open and save from F2012 which will make it available to later versions
> like F14.5.  Is that true?
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer <
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> >>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
> >>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that
> way. It
> >>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
> >>
> >> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware
> of?
> >>
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

To my knowledge, F2014 opens F2012-files directly and without hesitation…


> Am 13.07.2016 um 17:11 schrieb Dick Hauser :
> 
> I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my understanding 
> that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12 version database 
> structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t open an F09 file 
> directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to open and save from 
> F2012 which will make it available to later versions like F14.5.  Is that 
> true?
> 
> 
>> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
>>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
>>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
>> 
>> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Dick Hauser]

I’m hoping others can confirm my memory on upgrades.  It’s my understanding 
that F12 is the compatibility link between the post 12 version database 
structure and the legacy versions.  That is, F14 won’t open an F09 file 
directly.  The process to bring forward legacy files is to open and save from 
F2012 which will make it available to later versions like F14.5.  Is that true?


> On Jul 13, 2016, at 3:07 AM, Johannes Gebauer  
> wrote:
> 
> Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
>> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
>> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
>> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.
> 
> 2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Robert Patterson]

I know Fin12 has issues with playback and some of the dialog boxes crash in
10.11. I have no experience with Fin09. Fin08 crashes on startup, which is
why I need my virtual.

At some point Apple will make 64-bit mandatory by dropping 32-bit runtime
support. That day may be coming sooner than later. I haven't found any
sources that say exactly when it will be, but for example the iOS store has
been requiring new apps to include 64-bit support for over a year. If Apple
does drop 32-bit runtime in macOS, Fin09 will not run.


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 6:57 AM, Bill Baker 
wrote:

>
> On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer ([1]
> li...@musikmanufaktur.com)
>  wrote:
>
> I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
> (2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
> will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
> itself...)
>
> Thanks,
> Johannes
>
>Just putting my 2 cents in here, I have not upgraded since 2001, and if
> I
>upgrade I am definitely going to wait for the 64-bit version.  I just
> hope
>upgrading will solve my problem of needing to have the CD handy every
> single
>time I want to run the program.
>
> References
>
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Bill Baker]

On July 12, 2016 at 1:16:37 PM, Johannes Gebauer ([1]li...@musikmanufaktur.com)
 wrote:

I am wondering whether I should upgrade my ancient version of Finale
(2k9) to the current. Can someone outline in some brief words what I
will gain apart from retina support (which may well be worth it just by
itself...)

Thanks,
Johannes

   Just putting my 2 cents in here, I have not upgraded since 2001, and if I
   upgrade I am definitely going to wait for the 64-bit version.  I just hope
   upgrading will solve my problem of needing to have the CD handy every single
   time I want to run the program.

References

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Re: [Finale] notehead question

[Haroldo Mauro]

Choose the Toolbox. Then the Note Shape Tool -- the one with the asterisk. 
Click the measure then select the notes you want to change by double-clicking 
their boxes. Choose whatever symbol you want for the note heads in the window 
that opens. The quarter-note head is number 207 on my version of Finale-Mac.

Harold



On 13/07/2016, at 08:41, Martin Banner wrote:

> I’m using Finale 2012 on an iMac. For a triple stop (3 vertical notes) for a 
> violin, I want the top note to be a half note (empty note head) and the lower 
> two notes to be a quarter note (filled in note heads). I’ve entered as a half 
> note. Now how do I blacken the bottom two notes?
> 
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Re: [Finale] notehead question

[Martin Banner]

Thank you, Raphael, worked perfectly!

Martin


On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:43 AM, Dr. Raphael D. Thöne 
 wrote:

> Note Shape Tool, Special Tools Palette. You have to change the lower two 
> notes manually.
> 
> Best
> Raphael.
> 
>> Am 13.07.2016 um 13:41 schrieb Martin Banner :
>> 
>> I’m using Finale 2012 on an iMac. For a triple stop (3 vertical notes) for a 
>> violin, I want the top note to be a half note (empty note head) and the 
>> lower two notes to be a quarter note (filled in note heads). I’ve entered as 
>> a half note. Now how do I blacken the bottom two notes?
>> 
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Re: [Finale] notehead question

[Dr . Raphael D . Thöne]

Note Shape Tool, Special Tools Palette. You have to change the lower two notes 
manually.

Best
Raphael.

> Am 13.07.2016 um 13:41 schrieb Martin Banner :
> 
> I’m using Finale 2012 on an iMac. For a triple stop (3 vertical notes) for a 
> violin, I want the top note to be a half note (empty note head) and the lower 
> two notes to be a quarter note (filled in note heads). I’ve entered as a half 
> note. Now how do I blacken the bottom two notes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin
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[Finale] notehead question

[Martin Banner]

I’m using Finale 2012 on an iMac. For a triple stop (3 vertical notes) for a 
violin, I want the top note to be a half note (empty note head) and the lower 
two notes to be a quarter note (filled in note heads). I’ve entered as a half 
note. Now how do I blacken the bottom two notes?

Thanks,
Martin
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Re: [Finale] to upgrade or not...

[Johannes Gebauer]

Am 12.07.16 um 22:05 schrieb Robert Patterson:
> Personally, though, I would recommend setting up a virtual 10.7 or
> thereabouts using Fusion or Parallels, and keeping Fin09 alive that way. It
> sidesteps the entire upgrade issue.

2k9 seems to work with 10.11.5, are there any issues I should be aware of?


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