Re: [Finale] Barlines through all staves

[SN jef chippewa]

not sure i understand you but glad it helped.

>On Tue, August 23, 2016 3:53 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
>  > create a region with a staff group with barlines through all staves
>  > then selectively apply (i.e. to the RH staves of the 2nd-4th
>  > instruments for the measures needed) a staff style that has nothing
>  > other defined than "break barlines between staves".
>
>Thanks much. That's it. Not exactly as convenient as the reverse ('create
>barline between staves') but at least it only means clearing 216 staff styles.
>:)

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Re: [Finale] Barlines through all staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

On Tue, August 23, 2016 3:53 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote:
> create a region with a staff group with barlines through all staves
> then selectively apply (i.e. to the RH staves of the 2nd-4th
> instruments for the measures needed) a staff style that has nothing
> other defined than "break barlines between staves".

Thanks much. That's it. Not exactly as convenient as the reverse ('create
barline between staves') but at least it only means clearing 216 staff styles.
:)

D


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Re: [Finale] Barlines through all staves

[Barbara Touburg]

On 23-8-2016 21:29, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm finishing a client's score for four pianos and he has asked that 72 of the
> 780 measures have a barline through all staves (to indicate section
> divisions).
>
> I don't see an easy way to create a kind of mid-page 'left barline'. Maybe
> there's a plugin? FinWin 2014.5

I once saved a trick from the Makemusic Forum. Maybe it'll help.

-

Here's a trick to get a custom barline in one staff at selected points 
in the score. It will only allow one type of custom barline in the 
selected staff, but it's better than nothing:

First, make a group of the staff and put the custom barline as the 
barline for that group. Then go to the Measure tool, select the whole 
piece and choose Edit Measure Attributes. Set Barline to "Normal" and 
check the option "Override Group Barlines". The custom barlines will 
have completely disappeared for the moment. To make one appear just 
select Measure Attributes for the measure before it and un-check 
"Override Group Barlines".

=

For each of the groups in the score check "use alternate barline" and 
set it to Normal. Then make a group for the single instrument that 
occasionally may need a special barline. "Use alternate barline" should 
*not* be checked for this.
When selecting, say a double barline, the option "Override Groups 
Barlines" (in the bottom of the Measure Attributes dialogue box) will 
automatically get selected. Now, if you deselect this option, the double 
barline will only occur in the staff that *doesn't* "use alternate barline".
If you need special barlines for *different* single staves (or groups) 
in different places in the score, create groups for each of these 
occurrences. Whenever you need the special barline in one staff, make 
sure the system is optimized. Then you can delete all the groups that 
shouldn't get the special barline, without affecting the global group 
definitions.

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Re: [Finale] Barlines through all staves

[SN jef chippewa]

create a region with a staff group with barlines through all staves 
then selectively apply (i.e. to the RH staves of the 2nd-4th 
instruments for the measures needed) a staff style that has nothing 
other defined than "break barlines between staves".

>I'm finishing a client's score for four pianos and he has asked that 72 of the
>780 measures have a barline through all staves (to indicate section
>divisions).
>
>I don't see an easy way to create a kind of mid-page 'left barline'. Maybe
>there's a plugin? FinWin 2014.5

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[Finale] Barlines through all staves

[Dennis Bathory-Kitsz]

Hi all,

I'm finishing a client's score for four pianos and he has asked that 72 of the
780 measures have a barline through all staves (to indicate section
divisions).

I don't see an easy way to create a kind of mid-page 'left barline'. Maybe
there's a plugin? FinWin 2014.5

Thanks!

Dennis







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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 157, Issue 18

[Allen Cohen]

Thanks, I knew that, because it's part of the workaround MM gave me. 


But I have no interest in using the MIDI tool. It should not be necessary for 
writing a score and getting simple playback (and, for that matter, getting a 
good immediate estimate on Elapsed Time).  I was very happy with the Tempo 
Tool, while it worked. It was quick, easy, and definitive (while it worked). 
Then in 2014.5 it didn't work. And now apparently it's gone.


Not cool.


Allen




The Tempo Tool changes has been editable and visible through the MIDI 
Tool for the past couple of Finale versions.


Best regards,

Jari Williamsson




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Re: [Finale] Finale keeps changing font

[Barbara Touburg]

On 23-8-2016 18:44, Jan Angermüller wrote:
> Yes, that's another Finale bug. If font names are longer than 31
> letters, Finale crashes.

Never knew that.
>
> I wonder if both - long known - bugs have been fixed in Fin25.

Well, I'm not going to try it after having read everything that's been 
reported about Fin25.
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Re: [Finale] Finale keeps changing font

[Jan Angermüller]

> Ha! When I did that, Finale offered its apologies and said it needed to
> close. I did get the opportunity to save my work, though.
Yes, that's another Finale bug. If font names are longer than 31 
letters, Finale crashes.

I wonder if both - long known - bugs have been fixed in Fin25.

Best,
Jan
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Re: [Finale] Finale keeps changing font

[Barbara Touburg]

On 23-8-2016 18:24, Jan Angermüller wrote:
> Sometimes it works to not select the font style, but type the font style
> with the font name.

Ha! When I did that, Finale offered its apologies and said it needed to 
close. I did get the opportunity to save my work, though.
Bummer. :(
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Re: [Finale] Finale keeps changing font

[Jan Angermüller]

Finale mainly supports italic and bold as styles. Other styles, 
especially when they are assigned on a non-english operating system, can 
lead to problems. For example on German Windows you can't select "Dünn" 
(Thin) or "Mittel" (Medium).

Sometimes it works to not select the font style, but type the font style 
with the font name.
For example for "Maestro" with style "Wide", type "Maestro Wide" 
although it may not appear in the font list.
But that doesn't work with "Dünn" and "Mittel" and probably it won't 
work with Semibold either.

And probably there is even a difference between Windows and MacOS.

Best,
Jan

Am 23.08.2016 um 18:18 schrieb Barbara Touburg:
> When I assign Adobe Jenson Pro Semibold Italic 12 to a measure number
> region, Finale keeps changing it to Bold.
>
> Why?
>
> Windows 7 Home Premium, Finale 2014.5
>
> Thanks!
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[Finale] Finale keeps changing font

[Barbara Touburg]

When I assign Adobe Jenson Pro Semibold Italic 12 to a measure number 
region, Finale keeps changing it to Bold.

Why?

Windows 7 Home Premium, Finale 2014.5

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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[Robert Patterson]

In fairness, Davidd, the problems with the print dialog do not affect the
printed output quality. Thankfully, the printed output is as good as ever.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 5:45 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 8/22/2016 10:36 PM, Mark Adler wrote:
> [snip]
> >
> > I'm sorry you are disappointed with the new Finale. We are aware of the
> > printing issues are are working to fix them.
> >
> [snip]
>
> Thank you for responding on-list, Mark.
>
> What sort of timetable can the early adopters of Finale25 expect for the
> repair of the printing issues?
>
> Nobody should spend $149 on an upgrade only to learn that they have to
> revert to an earlier version of the product simply to get acceptable
> printed output.  Imagine some kid heading off to college, buying the
> academic version, running into this problem.  How would a first-time
> user overcome the problem, not having an earlier version to print from?
> Worse yet, imagine someone who is tempted by the cross-grade offer and
> makes the purchase to begin to explore Finale.  How will that person
> cope with the printing issues?
>
> What if a person is making a large jump from a much older version, for
> example, Finale2010, to Finale25?  How would they handle the printing
> problem, since the file formats are incompatible?  Yes, they could save
> the file in an earlier version's format, but how much of the new,
> improved Finale25 file will be lost in such a conversion?  And how far
> back does the new version's "save in [earlier version format]"
> capability go?
>
> After a two year wait people should be saying "Wow, this is fantastic!
> Everybody should upgrade!"  Instead people are saying "Hold on, wait,
> there are serious flaws in this new version."  And I haven't read any
> messages which have said "This new version has XYZ which is so much
> better than earlier versions."
>
> Even the completely 64-bit aspect hasn't particularly thrilled anybody,
> at least not in this group.
>
> And finally, can you explain why long-time Finale users (I've been with
> the program since version 3.5, only skipping a single upgrade until now)
> have to pay the same as people who have never supported Finale in the
> past but instead have supported competing software?  Where is the
> corporate loyalty to the faithful customers?  I realize the company
> needs to expand their customer base, so making an appealing cross-grade
> offer is important.  But you also need to keep your long-time customer
> base happy and not giving us a deeper discount ($99?) instead of making
> us pay the same as users of Sibelius or Notion or Forte or whatever
> certainly isn't making any of us happy.
>
> Thanks for reading -- I realize you may not be able to answer my
> questions, but perhaps you could pass them along to whomever in the
> corporation sets the pricing and the scheduling of interim updates.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] Apparent printing bug in new Finale

[David H. Bailey]

On 8/22/2016 10:36 PM, Mark Adler wrote:
[snip]
>
> I'm sorry you are disappointed with the new Finale. We are aware of the
> printing issues are are working to fix them.
>
[snip]

Thank you for responding on-list, Mark.

What sort of timetable can the early adopters of Finale25 expect for the 
repair of the printing issues?

Nobody should spend $149 on an upgrade only to learn that they have to 
revert to an earlier version of the product simply to get acceptable 
printed output.  Imagine some kid heading off to college, buying the 
academic version, running into this problem.  How would a first-time 
user overcome the problem, not having an earlier version to print from? 
Worse yet, imagine someone who is tempted by the cross-grade offer and 
makes the purchase to begin to explore Finale.  How will that person 
cope with the printing issues?

What if a person is making a large jump from a much older version, for 
example, Finale2010, to Finale25?  How would they handle the printing 
problem, since the file formats are incompatible?  Yes, they could save 
the file in an earlier version's format, but how much of the new, 
improved Finale25 file will be lost in such a conversion?  And how far 
back does the new version's "save in [earlier version format]" 
capability go?

After a two year wait people should be saying "Wow, this is fantastic! 
Everybody should upgrade!"  Instead people are saying "Hold on, wait, 
there are serious flaws in this new version."  And I haven't read any 
messages which have said "This new version has XYZ which is so much 
better than earlier versions."

Even the completely 64-bit aspect hasn't particularly thrilled anybody, 
at least not in this group.

And finally, can you explain why long-time Finale users (I've been with 
the program since version 3.5, only skipping a single upgrade until now) 
have to pay the same as people who have never supported Finale in the 
past but instead have supported competing software?  Where is the 
corporate loyalty to the faithful customers?  I realize the company 
needs to expand their customer base, so making an appealing cross-grade 
offer is important.  But you also need to keep your long-time customer 
base happy and not giving us a deeper discount ($99?) instead of making 
us pay the same as users of Sibelius or Notion or Forte or whatever 
certainly isn't making any of us happy.

Thanks for reading -- I realize you may not be able to answer my 
questions, but perhaps you could pass them along to whomever in the 
corporation sets the pricing and the scheduling of interim updates.


-- 
David H. Bailey
dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com
http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com
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