RE: [Finale] Saving BUG?
It seems to be limited to the PC, as I haven't heard of any Mac users reporting it. But it looks like this is a serious and widespread problem on the PC version of F2006. It's great to be able to play back 128 channels, but if you try to save audio or midi output, you only get 16--each instance over-writing the previous one. The discussion on the Forum is getting a bit heated. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: A-NO-NE Music [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 31, 2005 2:49 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Saving BUG? ronan / 2005/08/31 / 02:39 PM wrote: >I've been playing back F2006 with full GPO with no problems (minimal >anyhow). However, I got a shock when I tried to save as midi-everything is >crammed into the first 16 channels. This also happens when using Softsynths >and "save as audio" is selected. It's as if the seven other "instances" of >GPO, or Softsynth banks don't exist as far as the saving algorithms are >concerned. Yikes! Is this an Win thing? 'Coz I have been exporting to SMF a lot with FinMac2006 with no problem whatsoever. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA <http://a-no-ne.com> <http://anonemusic.com> ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Saving BUG?
Hi folks, I’ve been playing back F2006 with full GPO with no problems (minimal anyhow). However, I got a shock when I tried to save as midi—everything is crammed into the first 16 channels. This also happens when using Softsynths and “save as audio” is selected. It’s as if the seven other “instances” of GPO, or Softsynth banks don’t exist as far as the saving algorithms are concerned. Yikes! Ron Finale 2006/full GPO Win xp/pro, 2,6 GHz Pentium IV, 2 GB RAM (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2007 - Wishlist
-Original Message- From: Kurt Gnos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 30, 2005 2:13 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale 2007 - Wishlist Hi all, now we got Finale 2006, we could begin to find out what we think we need in the next version or an update. ... I'm sure you have also wishes and priorities. Why not share them? And why not, finally - ask Coda/MakeMusic to make them true? cheers Kurt --- One thing I have been asking for for years is improved handling of multiple time signatures. Right now the only option is that Finale "decides" to accept one staff as the main timekeeper, then adjusts all other staves so that the bar lines all line up. In other words, a 1/4 note in 3/4 time is longer than a 1/4 note in a simultaneous measure of 4/4 time. What I need: 1) an option to make 1/4 notes equal in length in all staves, regardless of the time signatures. (In other words, staggered bar lines). 2) An option to have measures equal in length, but I get to choose which staff will be the "master." (I have asked MM several times for this.) Best, Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Question 2 for the day
In simple entry you type "H" (for hide) when any rest or note is highlighted and it will disappear. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: norm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 7, 2005 5:37 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Question 2 for the day Greetings group ! I have a off-subject Finale question for anyone out there who uses same. After you have scored your music out and in the different layers; when you go to print it - how do you delete, extract, make dissappear; the extra rests from the various layers so that they won't print or move the notation from that layer. I know how it's done in Sibelius, but that way doesn't work in Finale 2001B. Any help is greatly apprecieated. (This was posted on the organist chat group on yahoo..i am forwarding this for a reply if possible) > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.10.1/64 - Release Date: 8/4/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion
No problems with WinF2006, plus full GPO here. Works like a charm. I am very pleased with playback and the new features. I'm especially glad I don't have to muck around to get pizz, trem., etc. Just write it in the score, like you should be able to. The only small thing is that there are no pre-set reberb settings, but that should be in the maintenance release. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Bruce Hunter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 5, 2005 3:30 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] FinWin2006confusion Greetings to All! De-lurking for the moment to... Thank everyone for all the help given so freely, and, Ask,... Where's all the message traffic about disasters and problems with Finale 2006 for Windows? Have I missed a whole bunch of messages somehow? Has the installation screwed up everyone's system so badly they can't email the list? I'm in the middle of several large projects and am in no hurry to install my update (updating from 2004), but I am wondering if installation on my BillyBox is going to cause my car battery to go dead, or something. 8^) Actually, I was waiting for braver and more adept individuals than I to install and report problems, but all I've read about are FinMac trials and tribulations. (Possibly some problems have been reported in messages that had no announcement or clues about platform.) Oh well, back to trying to figger why a TrueType shakuhachi font won't display in Finale. Thanks for everything, Bruce Hunter ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale, GPO, and Wizard
And better quality in the solo instruments Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 2, 2005 5:09 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale, GPO, and Wizard A-NO-NE Music wrote: > I found it. > You need to run the GPO updater _after_ FinMac2006 is already installed, > and have to enable "Notation" option under the custom install. > > Now I got it showed up, it begs to this question: > What is the benefit of using Full GPO instead of FinGPO? > > Even I can answer this one -- more instruments to choose from. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2006 and Garritan Orchestra
No question is naïve, especially when it comes to F2006 and GPO. The only thing you'll need to do is download the latest version of Kontakt player (version 1.1.8.3). If you did this before July 25th, you'll have to do it again. That will put a Full GPO option in your startup wizard (if you're running Windows) and let you use full GPO without fuss or bother. If you have a Mac, then others can best advise you about the pitfalls there. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: angelogilardino [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: August 1, 2005 10:17 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale 2006 and Garritan Orchestra I apologize for the naivete of my question - I am not a regular reader of this list. I currently use Finale 2005 and a full version of Garritan orchestra. I have ordered the upgrade to Finale 2006, which I will receive within a few days. What happens if installing it? Advantages or complications? Please, help me to avoid pains. Thankyou. AG ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale, GPO, and Wizard
I’ve been reading all the posts about the fact that GPO is missing in the startup wizard of many people’s machines. Some are quite angry about it. I kept wondering what everyone is talking about, because it is there in my startup Wizard. I have three options in the wizard: 1. Full Garritan GPO, 2. Softsynths, 3. Finale’s version of GPO. So, my questions are: 1) Is it missing only on Mac’s? (I have a PC). 2) Have you installed the patch that was inserted into the Kontakt 1.1.8.3 upgrade early last week? Further on the wizard question, I find the wizard is handy for small groups, but if you’re going to create an orchestral score it’s best to do it “manually”. (So you can assign two voices to a single staff and have the channels in sequence, etc.) If I am wrong about the problem that people have been talking about, please forgive me. But I’ve been having very few minor problems with F2006 & GPO, but on the whole it works like a charm. Peace Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Where is the July 8, 2005 GPO update?
The patch is included in that update. It is an option when you run the update installer. Why it was stuck into a pre-existing update package with no notes or indications that the Kontakt 1.1.8.3 has been changed since the June date is a mystery. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Andrew Levin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 31, 2005 6:46 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Where is the July 8, 2005 GPO update? Can anyone help me find this latest update? I scoured the GPO pages and all I found was the update to the Kontakt player (to 1.1.8.3, dated June), but no July 8 notation update. Thanks. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
Or if you are planning on sharing your file with someone whose computer resources are small enough that he/she is only using soundfont playback (yes I know that's midi output, but not to some uninitiated Finale users -- to them it's just another means of sound production). Thus the need for two different scores at least. Until or unless you know that the only people who will be hearing your Finale files will be using GPO playback only. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You're exactly right. Scores are for printing; MP3's and Waves for listening. I do post some Finale files, but those are small and it's no problem to assign channels to them. But for a large serious work, I am not going to be posting the Finale file. My reason for the comment was to let people know they do not have to mess with Channel 10 for percussion if it doesn't suit them. Maybe they already know that--but I didn't for a long time and kept shooting myself in the foot. Cheers, Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
I just finished setting up a symphonic score with 40 instruments, using Finale with the full version of GPO. I have each percussion instrument set to a different channel. Eg, Snare: 67; tamtam = 68, etc. They play back beautifully. BTW, I didn't bother with midi assignments. I left all of them pointing to the acoustic Grand Piano because I am not interested in midi. Channel 10 does not exist in Kontakt and is only of use if you are planning to produce midi output. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 6:08 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO Dean M. Estabrook wrote: > Ok ... just installed 2006 w/out any problems I can detect. Messed > around with a couple of instruments in GPO (Eng. Hrn. and Cl.) in a > little duet I wrote. I think the quality of the sounds and human > playback are excellent, as promised. However, when I added a couple of > more instruments, as Darcy predicted, I started getting the crackle and > pop because I just running an iMac at 600 Mhz. If I upgrade the > processor, I can see no reason at present why I would be unhappy with > 2006. Another however, however, in Hyperscribe, out of GPO, the only > countoff and click sound I seem to be able to get is my acoustic grand > piano. I guess I can live with this, but I'd sure rather have a > percussion sound. > I believe you can assign that to be channel 10 so you get percussion sounds rather than piano sounds. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading
I stand corrected. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 2:09 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading On 30 Jul 2005, at 1:26 PM, ronan wrote: > In the Kontakt player, in the box underneath the CPO Usage box is a > happy > face? cat? (it's so small I can't make out what it's suppose to be.) > Click > that and you can assign an input channel to the instrument you have > selected. So, yes, you can have Finale write to Channels 9-16, the > have your > second instance of Kontakt point to channels 9-16 for their input. No, not when using the AU/VST version of GPO in Fin2006. The second instance is hardwired to channels 17-32, and so on. You can, of course, change the default channel assignments of the first instance to any channel between 1 and 16, but there's not much point in doing that. Just let the Setup Wizard put the channels where it wants, and everything works. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving
I read in another site that “Save as Audio” will be in a maintenance release. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com From: Mariposa Symphony Orchestra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 12:12 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Finale2006 softsynth GPO audiosaving Despite my lack of enthusiasm for the wisdom of doing so, I frequently need to prepare demos in CD format of new compositions or arrangements for a few of the younger members of my orchestra. Can anyone tell me if saving as an audio file (in '06) offers the choice of softsynth HP GPO playback - MY choice? Or is it a default over which I'd have no control? I'm still teetering on the cusp of upgrading to 2006 and need to be pushed over the edge or pulled back from the abyss Best and thanks for your collective advice -- Les Les Marsden Founding Music Director and Conductor, The Mariposa Symphony Orchestra Music and Mariposa? Ah, Paradise!!! http://arts-mariposa.org/symphony.html http://www.sierratel.com/mcf/nprc/mso.htm ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading
In the Kontakt player, in the box underneath the CPO Usage box is a happy face? cat? (it's so small I can't make out what it's suppose to be.) Click that and you can assign an input channel to the instrument you have selected. So, yes, you can have Finale write to Channels 9-16, the have your second instance of Kontakt point to channels 9-16 for their input. But, why bother? It's easier to keep track of everything if you just use 1-8, 17-24, in the first place. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Aaron Sherber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 8:41 AM To: finale@shsu.edu; finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading At 08:25 AM 07/30/2005, dhbailey wrote: >powerful enough to load 8 instances of the player. I wonder why the >MakeMusic developers felt it incumbent on them to list those 8 instances >for the VST player as 1-16 instead of 1-8? Would different >NI-compatible soundsets actually allow use of all 16 channels of each >instance? I think (though again, I'm just playing with this myself) that the full version of Kontakt allows for 16 channels. In limiting it to 8 (for whatever reason), I suppose it was easier to let the player start every 16, where it usually does, and disable the top 8 rather than making it start every 8. Also, I think that this allows some compatibility between Finale GPO and full GPO -- if a file is set up for Finale it should play in full GPO no problem. But if the player used 1-8 and then 9-16 in Finale GPO, when you tried to load full GPO you'd be asking it to put channel 9 in the second player rather than in the first where full GPO expects it. Please note that I'm just experimenting myself. If these answers are wrong, I hope someone will correct me. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading
No, you can load up to 64 instruments at a time. There are 8 instances of the Kontakt player that can be loaded under Midi set up. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 6:36 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading Do you mean to tell us that we can only load 8 GPO instruments at a time? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading
The sound of full GPO compared to Finale/GPO is 100% better. Finale used "generic" sounding instruments, while in Garritan's GPO you get instruments with character. Frankly, I can't tell the difference between Softsynths and the Finale/GPO instruments, but I don't have the best of hearing. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Dean M. Estabrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 30, 2005 1:11 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading And what did you think of the sound quality? Dean On Jul 29, 2005, at 8:12 PM, ronan wrote: > Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but you can assign channels 9 > - 16 > to a 2nd instance of Kontakt player. I would renumber 9-16 as 17-24 > just to > keep things straight. So far I've tried F2006/GPO with 24 instruments > and no > problems. > > Ron > > Ronald J Brown > PO Box 138 > Newboro ON K0G 1P0 > (613) 272-3181 > http://www.RonaldJBrown.com > > -Original Message- > From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: July 29, 2005 8:28 PM > To: finale@shsu.edu; Brad Beyenhof > Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading > > On 29 Jul 2005, at 8:13 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > >> Since the Kontakt Player only shows eight instruments, I've been >> having a hell of a time trying to load GPO patches for channels 9-16. >> I suspect it's something easy, but I've just not found it. > > Brad, > > You can't. AFAIK, you only get 64 AU/VST channels. > > - Darcy > - > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Brooklyn, NY > > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > As a newly diagnosed diabetic, self denial is now my ally, exercise my master. Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO
I admit I was somewhat disappointed with the Finale/GPO instruments. To me they didn't sound much better than the Softsynths. But I just got the patch so I can use the full GPO and I've got all those wonderful sounds back. There is a huge difference between the "generic" solo violin that comes with Finale and the Gagliano (and Stradavari and Guameri) solo violins that come with full GPO. So far, to me, the marriage has been seamless. New files created using the setup wizard automatically use the full GPO patches and expressions trigger the KS instruments as they should (except they don't seem to want to let strings play their first note as pizz. Must be a new rule in music.) So far, I'm happy. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Dean M. Estabrook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 29, 2005 5:15 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale2006 and GPO Ok ... so I'd like to hear someone else confirm that the GPO sounds are no better at all than standard soundfonts. True? No? What's the concensus? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] GPO instrument loading
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but you can assign channels 9 - 16 to a 2nd instance of Kontakt player. I would renumber 9-16 as 17-24 just to keep things straight. So far I've tried F2006/GPO with 24 instruments and no problems. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 29, 2005 8:28 PM To: finale@shsu.edu; Brad Beyenhof Subject: Re: [Finale] GPO instrument loading On 29 Jul 2005, at 8:13 PM, Brad Beyenhof wrote: > Since the Kontakt Player only shows eight instruments, I've been > having a hell of a time trying to load GPO patches for channels 9-16. > I suspect it's something easy, but I've just not found it. Brad, You can't. AFAIK, you only get 64 AU/VST channels. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Garritan Ambience question
On the version I got with GPO, there's a drop down list on the title bar of the Ambiance control. On the version that came with Finale, there is no title bar--hence no presets anywhere that I can find. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 28, 2005 11:17 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Garritan Ambience question On 28 Jul 2005, at 11:07 PM, Gerald Berg wrote: > Lower right corner -- pull down -- should read Ballroom or something Jerry, Nope. That's in GPO Studio. Aaron was asking about the VST version of Ambience. On Mac, it's pretty clear -- there's a "Factory Preset" pull-down menu at the top of the dialog box. Aaron, are you saying that box is missing in Windows? Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Installing fonts?
If it is PC's you are talking about, try this link: http://forum.makemusic.com/default.aspx?f=5&m=104389 It is a common problem with older versions of Finale. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Phil Shaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 24, 2005 2:39 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Installing fonts? I just tried to install Finale 2003 on a couple of computers, so I can work on a project for someone who requires it. On a computer that has Final 2004, Finale 2003 installed successfully. But when I install on a computer that has no Finale, Finale 2003 has a font problem: when I open an mus file, the notes have stems but no heads. Anybody know how I can move the required fonts from the one machine to the other? Or get the required fonts? Thanks, Phil Shaw ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2006
People might be interested in this review of Finale 2006 (which is supposed to be shipping as I write): http://www.finaletips.nu/fin2006review/index.php Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] notation program comparison
I don't know about "staging", but didn't Daniel Spreadbury work for Sibelius at one time? To add insult to injury, Lora Creighton is using an ancient version of Finale--which leads me to wonder what kind of engraving experience she has. Or any of them, for that matter. The whole thing is just too amateurish--both in the people selected to use the programs and in the organization of it--to take seriously. Best, Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Johannes Gebauer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 21, 2005 5:00 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] notation program comparison The comparison does make me wonder though: Wouldn't a real comparison where experts with each software work by strictly copying one or more sources of real published music be long overdue? Some time ago (years I guess) we had this kind of thread as well, where I believe Sibelius staged a kind of competition, but ended up with a rather poor result for their own software and quickly withdrew the results. I don't think cautionary accidentals have anything to do with this, by the way. I'd volunteer to do this kind of competition, if it is limited to no more than two or three pages. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Re: GPO trumpets
The trumpets in GPO sound pretty good to me, but then, I'm looking for orchestral rather than jazz sounds. However, what, exactly, we will get with F2006 remains to be seen. After all, it is a cut down version offering. The specific brands of some instruments are offered in the full GPO, but MakeMusic! seems to be offering more generic sounds. Ron Ronald J Brown PO Box 138 Newboro ON K0G 1P0 (613) 272-3181 http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 19, 2005 4:49 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Re: GPO trumpets >>Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:21:04 -0500 >>From: "Jim Williamson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>Subject: [Finale] GPO trumpets >>"Does anyone know how the trumpets sound in the included 2006/GPO package?" I tried listening to the GPO samples on their website and thought the trumpet was one of the worst instruments that they do. However, they are still better than a lot of other trumpet sounds available. Michael Lawlor ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2006/GPO
Here's the list of strings that I took directly from MaekMusic!'s site. With Finale: Viola Solo Viola: Player 1 Viola: Player 2 Viola: : Player 3 Cello: : Modern Solo Cello: : Player 1 Cello: : Player 2 Cello: : Player 3 Bass: : Solo Bass: Player 1 Solo Bass: Player 2 Bass: Player 2 Full Strings: Arco Full Strings: Pizzicato Full Strings: Tremolo Violin 1 Section: Arco Violin 1 Section: Pizzicato Violin 1 Section: Tremolo Viola Section: Arco Viola Section: Pizzicato Viola Section: Tremolo Cello Section: Arco Cello Section: Pizzicato Cello Section: Tremolo Bass Section: Arco Bass Section: Pizzicato Bass Section: Tremolo Violin: Solo Violin: Player 1 Violin: Player 2 Violin: Player 3 Here's what MakeMusic! says comes with full GPO: 1st Violin Section (12 Players) 2nd Violin Section (10 Players) Double Bass Section (7 Players) Solo Double Bass 3 Solo Gagliano Violin 3 Double Basses for Sections Solo Gofriller Cello Solo Guarneri Violin Solo Montagnana Cello Solo Pierray Cello Solo Stradivari Violin 9 Cellos for Ensembles Solo Viola 9 Violins for Ensembles Cello Section (8 Players) Viola Section (10 Players) The GPO list looks shorter, but it's not really. Solo instruments and ensembles have a "key switch" for pizz, tremolo, short bows, long bows, etc. Frankly, I would miss the Gagliano violin if I didn't have it. We will have to see what the quality of MakeMusic!'s more generic soloists are when F2006 arrives. Best, Ron http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: dhbailey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 14, 2005 5:32 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] 2006/GPO Tyler Turner wrote: [snip]> > > For most of the instruments, you get a single solo > instrument and 3 ensemble instruments. > Thanks for adding that -- after reading Ronald's post I was feeling a bit let-down. I am intrigued now! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] 2006/GPO
Hi Lee, I am currently using the full GPO with Finale 2004--and I can't wait for Finale 2006. As I understand it, about 100 GPO instruments are included with F2006--and that means, to me, that they can be loaded directly from Finale. It seems that the GPO instruments missing from the cut down version for Finale are the solo instruments. Because there is not a direct link between Finale2004 and GPO, the way I proceed is to use Human Playback in Finale to record a midi, then import the midi in Cubasis VST where I can link it to GPO. The human playback expressions are carried over. I understand that will not be able to use the full GPO with Finale2006 immediately. But Gary has promised a free patch will be out soon. Ron Ronald J Brown http://www.RonaldJBrown.com -Original Message- From: Lee Actor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 13, 2005 4:36 PM To: Finale News List Subject: [Finale] 2006/GPO Can anyone who is currently using GPO with Finale 2005 tell me how useful from a practical standpoint the subset of GPO that is shipping with Finale 2006 is compared to the full version? In other words, how much do you depend on the patches not included with the partial version for decent results? Also, does getting good results from GPO depend in some degree on using Human Playback? I tried it when it first came out and decided I could get better results doing my own "humanizing", without the performance hit (or maybe I've just spent too much time with Finale's MIDI tool over the years). TIA. Lee Actor Composer-in-Residence and Assistant Conductor, Palo Alto Philharmonic http://www.leeactor.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] midi chanels assignment
I own Finale 2004 (about to be 2006) and it supports 64 channels. Check the "midi option" settings. Ron Ronald J Brown -Original Message- From: Neal Schermerhorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 13, 2005 12:38 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] midi chanels assignment Hey, I know the FINALE list is all so busy discussing everything but FINALE, but his guy had a question. > I am pretty bad in understanding how midi works, having been always > interested in music typesetting, but I have a problem here and I > don't know what to do. > > The composer wants me to export de music so that every instruments > will appear in midi in the same order as the score (39 different > instruments) so that he can assign himself the proper instruments. > I've tried to assign a different chanel to every instrument (39 > chanels) and when I open the midi file in Finale, to order in f*cked > up, and so are the chanel number assignements. I don't care about > what instrument goes with what chanel, but want one chanel per > instruement in the same order as the score. > > Thanks for your help, > > Éric Dussault My answer: I don't know of more than 32 MIDI channels available on Finale, others may know more. But 10 and 26 are drums, so 30 pitched channels are available. So 39 channels may be a pipe dream. Maybe one of the many so preoddupied with the non-Finale threads would care to coment? Neal Schermerhorn ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Is this a Finale or Sibelius list?
Okay, I seem to have started a tempest in a teapot here. I joined this list serve a week ago. There were days when all I saw where lists of Sibelius this and Sibelius that. As a newcomer I was beginning to believe this was a Sibelius list and that I had joined the wrong one. I thought, okay, this is a general music software discussion site. Then Michael Lawler and Ken Folwer complained and I realized what was wrong. I seem to have offended a great many people with my endorsement of Michael Lawler and Ken Folwer's opinions. Is this how it works here? Only well-known names are allowed to publish complaints? If anyone else does, they are "lurkers" and "thread cops"? Anyhow, let's drop the whole thing. In peace. Ron Ronald J Brown -Original Message- From: David W. Fenton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2005 6:58 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Is this a Finale or Sibelius list? On 12 Jul 2005 at 18:20, Darcy James Argue wrote: > On 12 Jul 2005, at 6:10 PM, ronan wrote: > > > I must admit, I was surprised to see all the Sibelius notes on a > > Finale site. It's sort of like having a site for Windows users and > > having it taken over by Mac users. Or GM taken over by Ford owners. > > I'm glad Sibelius users like their product and want to talk about > > it, but I am not interested in reading them either. > > Then don't. Did any of the thread subjects lack the word "Sibelius" in them? > Seriously, what is the point of this thread? The Sibelius discussion > was directly related to the future of Finale and the kind of features > and approach we'd like to see Finale emulate. If that's not an > appropriate topic for discussion, then what is? > > And why is it always the lurkers who never contribute solutions to > Finale problems (or contribute to the discussion in any way > whatsoever) who feel entitled to come out of the woodwork to complain > about allegedly off-topic discussions? Who died and made you thread > cop? This is what makes me shake my head, too. The same people who contribute most of the Finale-related content seem to be the ones who were generating all the Sibelius-related content. Why is it, then, that people whose names I don't recognize (i.e., they don't post often, if at all) feel they have some grounds for criticizing what the people who *are* posting have chosen to discuss? If you don't like the current topics, then START A FINALE-RELATED THREAD. This even leaves aside the fact that all of that content was associated with the very relevant issue of "how does Sibelius stack up to Finale?" I am quite glad that we have Sibelius users on the list who were kind enough to respond to those of us who had specific questions about how Sibelius works. It helps us make a much more objective evaluation when we have the explanations of people who have a deep understanding of the competitor program. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc All non-quoted content (c) David W. Fenton, all rights reserved ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Is this a Finale or Sibelius list?
Cool down, Man! I have as much right to voice my opinion as any other member of the list. I have been very active in other forums for the past several years, taking part in discussions and helping novices with their problems. Just because I'm new to this list serve does not classify me as a "lurker". But whether I have a long and honorable record as an active Finale supporter still does not give you the right to judge me. And what's the "thread cop" nonsense you're spouting? That's nonsense. If I want to read about Sibelius there are lots of places I can go to find out about the latest and greatest of that product. But this list is labeled "Finale", not "Finale and any other competing product people care to promote." Ronald J Brown -Original Message- From: Darcy James Argue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2005 6:21 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Is this a Finale or Sibelius list? On 12 Jul 2005, at 6:10 PM, ronan wrote: > I must admit, I was surprised to see all the Sibelius notes on a Finale > site. It's sort of like having a site for Windows users and having it > taken > over by Mac users. Or GM taken over by Ford owners. I'm glad Sibelius > users > like their product and want to talk about it, but I am not interested > in > reading them either. Then don't. Seriously, what is the point of this thread? The Sibelius discussion was directly related to the future of Finale and the kind of features and approach we'd like to see Finale emulate. If that's not an appropriate topic for discussion, then what is? And why is it always the lurkers who never contribute solutions to Finale problems (or contribute to the discussion in any way whatsoever) who feel entitled to come out of the woodwork to complain about allegedly off-topic discussions? Who died and made you thread cop? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Is this a Finale or Sibelius list?
I must admit, I was surprised to see all the Sibelius notes on a Finale site. It's sort of like having a site for Windows users and having it taken over by Mac users. Or GM taken over by Ford owners. I'm glad Sibelius users like their product and want to talk about it, but I am not interested in reading them either. Ron Ronald J Brown -Original Message- From: D. Keneth Fowler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: July 12, 2005 4:31 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Is this a Finale or Sibelius list? No, Michael, you are not alone. Ken Fowler At 04:59 PM 7/12/2005 +0100, you wrote: >I have seen so many Sibelius emails lately, and it is taking up lots of >space, that I would have thought there was a better place for >Sibelius-related issues (a Sibelius list?). Maybe they do have some >relevance to Finale, but I can't be bothered to read them. >Am I alone? >Michael Lawlor >___ >Finale mailing list >Finale@shsu.edu >http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
