Re: [Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-30 Thread dhbailey

David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]



I still am annoyed that Finale is not smart enough to beam correctly, 
as the rules are pretty cut-and-dried (beam 3/4 in 6 8ths, but break 
16ths and all smaller values on the quarter).




Indeed -- it is amazing that they can spend time on importing audio and 
allowing us to work with video but they can't institute this simple 
beaming rule.


And as you say it is cut-and-dried.

How hard would it be for Finale to incorporate an additional dialog into 
the time signature dialog, something reachable by an OPTIONS button, 
which would have a couple of places where we could specify beaming 
patterns for 8ths and for 16ths and for 32nds?


Of course, you can't market that since it would be an admission of a 
previous shortcoming, so it has to take a back seat to the more 
marketable phrases such as The ONLY notation program that allows you to 
import audio data to incorporate in your scores!


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Re: [Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-30 Thread Christopher Smith


On Oct 30, 2007, at 6:31 AM, dhbailey wrote:


David W. Fenton wrote:
[snip]

I still am annoyed that Finale is not smart enough to beam  
correctly, as the rules are pretty cut-and-dried (beam 3/4 in 6  
8ths, but break 16ths and all smaller values on the quarter).


And as you say it is cut-and-dried.

How hard would it be for Finale to incorporate an additional dialog  
into the time signature dialog, something reachable by an OPTIONS  
button, which would have a couple of places where we could specify  
beaming patterns for 8ths and for 16ths and for 32nds?


Or just a check box in the Beaming Options, as they do for 4 eighths  
in 4/4.


Christopher



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Re: [Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-30 Thread Mark D Lew

On Oct 30, 2007, at 2:31 AM, dhbailey wrote:

Indeed -- it is amazing that they can spend time on importing audio  
and allowing us to work with video but they can't institute this  
simple beaming rule.


Finale's beaming feels neglected to me.  It does a lot, but there's  
still some very basic things it misses.


I've forgotten the details, but I remember there's a situation with  
secondary beams going over a rest where there's no way to get it  
right without elaborate kludges.  That one has bit me several times.


mdl
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[Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-29 Thread Patricia Spedden
How do you beam together 6 eighth notes in ¾ meter in a continuous left hand 
pattern?  I can do it manually, but wonder if there is a way to do it 
automatically.  If I beam the six 8th notes  copy the measure, it breaks the 
beams into quarter note values.  (I do know how to beam 4 8th notes in common 
time, but I need to beam 6 8th notes in ¾ time.)

 

Patricia Spedden

 

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Re: [Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-29 Thread A-NO-NE Music
Patricia Spedden / 07.10.29 / 5:10 PM wrote:

How do you beam together 6 eighth notes in ? meter in a continuous left
hand pattern?  I can do it manually, but wonder if there is a way to do
it automatically.  If I beam the six 8th notes  copy the measure, it
breaks the beams into quarter note values.  (I do know how to beam 4 8th
notes in common time, but I need to beam 6 8th notes in ? time.)

Using Time Sig tool, set the beat to one, and duration to dotted half.

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Re: [Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-29 Thread Christopher Smith


On 29-Oct-07, at 5:10 PM, Patricia Spedden wrote:

How do you beam together 6 eighth notes in ¾ meter in a continuous  
left hand pattern?  I can do it manually, but wonder if there is a  
way to do it automatically.  If I beam the six 8th notes  copy the  
measure, it breaks the beams into quarter note values.  (I do know  
how to beam 4 8th notes in common time, but I need to beam 6 8th  
notes in ¾ time.)


Depending on which version of Finale you are using, you can set beam  
edits to copy along with the notes and preserve your manual beam  
edits. This will not work at all if you are copying partial measures,  
though.


Another way to do it (though I wouldn't do it this way) is to set the  
time signature to be 1 dotted half instead of 3/4, and use the  
Display As to make it show as 3/4 anyway. Then the eighths will all  
beam to the bar instead of to the beat. This will also make slash  
notation show up as one slash per bar, too, but if you aren't using  
slash notation then this won't bother you.


Christopher




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Re: [Finale] Beaming 6 8th notes

2007-10-29 Thread David W. Fenton
On 29 Oct 2007 at 19:49, A-NO-NE Music wrote:

 Patricia Spedden / 07.10.29 / 5:10 PM wrote:
 
 How do you beam together 6 eighth notes in ? meter in a continuous left
 hand pattern?  I can do it manually, but wonder if there is a way to do
 it automatically.  If I beam the six 8th notes  copy the measure, it
 breaks the beams into quarter note values.  (I do know how to beam 4 8th
 notes in common time, but I need to beam 6 8th notes in ? time.)
 
 Using Time Sig tool, set the beat to one, and duration to dotted half.

Well, that isn't a great choice, as it will cause 16th notes to be 
beamed incorrectly.

Better is to select the measures with the pattern and choose BEAM TO 
TIME SIGNATURE, and then select 1 dotted half per measure as the time 
signature.

I still am annoyed that Finale is not smart enough to beam correctly, 
as the rules are pretty cut-and-dried (beam 3/4 in 6 8ths, but break 
16ths and all smaller values on the quarter).

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