Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 13:36, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > At 01:20 PM 3/14/05 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: > >Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that > >you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a > >single part. The part is here (all on one line): > >http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- > >TenebraeLessons.PDF > > How about creating a staff group, using the straight bracket (last > bracket in the dialog in 2K3), setting the bracket's left offset to > zero, and checking "show bracket if group contains only one staff"? > Will that work for you? Naturally, it would, but changing the document option for left barlines fixed it in a much easier fashion (much less time). I have never actually liked the "official" engraving style with no left barline -- I think it's hard to read, as it certainly was in the case of my part. I do recognize that if I were going to extract parts I'd probably be better off defining the page-view staff group. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 13:27, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: > David W. Fenton wrote: > > >However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play > >from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to > >remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, > > but occasionally only the bass line. > > > >The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, > > and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system > >begins when it's only a single system > > > .. > > >I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would > >like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it > >doable? > > Just a thought, but what happens if you edit the group attributes so > that the box next to "show group bracket if group contains only one > staff" is checked? The wrong bracket would display, as it's a continuo part with the right hand realization optimized out. A curly bracket is not what I want. Johannes was right to suggest that I could create a group in page view that would bracket the single system. But really, all I needed was to include the left barline on single staves, which completely solved my problem, even if it breaks the rules of the Great Gods of Music Engraving. I don't give a rat's ass about the rules when they make my scores less readable, and I"m glad Finale allows me to break those rules by simply changing the value of one little checkbox. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 20:36, Johannes Gebauer wrote: > There are actually quite a number of things which are only possible > because of the way optimization is bound to single systems, and not a > global option. For instance, it is possible to use Mensurstriche only > for select systems, and even mix them in single systems with clever > use of group options and measure options. I have had situations where > Mensurstriche had to start mid-system and it is possible... Yes, I've been often confused by the fact of scroll-view and page- view groups being independent. I consider it a bug, not a feature. I also was quite annoyed by the way vertical lyrics positioning travels with staff systems with the Charpentier. I left that until last, but then ended up revising the page layout after having done so, which meant I had to completely proofread all the lyrics for vertical positioning, and redo all the ones that were now wrong (because a measure or two had ended up on a different system). I'm not sure I can think of a better way to do this (at least not one that doesn't introduce lots of complications), but I sure do wish it worked the way *I* want it to! > PS: Do you or anyone else have any idea why when I reply to your > messages (using Thunderbird) the reply always gets addressed to both > you and the list, while for most other posts this doesn't happen (and > I don't really want it to happen)? I don't understand it... Probably because my email messages always have a Reply-To: header, whereas yours do not. Since Finale sets the Reply-To: header to the list address, it maintains the original Reply-To by combining my Reply-To: with its own. I think the list software ought to ignore *my* Reply-To: address, but that's not the way it works. I also wish my email program would include a Reply-To: only when it differs with the From: address, but it puts Reply-To: in every message, and I have no control over that. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
At 01:20 PM 3/14/05 -0500, David W. Fenton wrote: >Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that >you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a >single part. The part is here (all on one line): >http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- >TenebraeLessons.PDF How about creating a staff group, using the straight bracket (last bracket in the dialog in 2K3), setting the bracket's left offset to zero, and checking "show bracket if group contains only one staff"? Will that work for you? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
David W. Fenton schrieb: Brackets: Group attributes > Bracket: put checkmark on Show Bracket if Group Contains Only One Staff. That actually wouldn't work, as the bass staff is part of the basso continuo group, which is a keyboard grand staff, so it has a curly bracket. But, fortunately, the first option did the job. Isn't this ironic? You can do this, due to the way optimization works in Finale which you only recently criticized... Here is what you can do, if you want a bracket on select (eg single-staff) systems only: Optimize first, then create a group for the single staff system (on a one by one basis in page view) which only includes this one staff. Select the bracket you want, and check "show on single staff systems" (or whatever it is called). There are actually quite a number of things which are only possible because of the way optimization is bound to single systems, and not a global option. For instance, it is possible to use Mensurstriche only for select systems, and even mix them in single systems with clever use of group options and measure options. I have had situations where Mensurstriche had to start mid-system and it is possible... (No need to start the discussion about this again, I did get your point.) Johannes PS: Do you or anyone else have any idea why when I reply to your messages (using Thunderbird) the reply always gets addressed to both you and the list, while for most other posts this doesn't happen (and I don't really want it to happen)? I don't understand it... -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
David W. Fenton wrote: However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system .. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? Just a thought, but what happens if you edit the group attributes so that the box next to "show group bracket if group contains only one staff" is checked? ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
On 14 Mar 2005 at 19:43, Hans Swinnen wrote: > Barlines: > Document options > Barlines > Display on Single Staves. Great! Thanks! Thanks also to David Bailey for the same advice. > Brackets: > Group attributes > Bracket: put checkmark on Show Bracket if Group > Contains Only One Staff. That actually wouldn't work, as the bass staff is part of the basso continuo group, which is a keyboard grand staff, so it has a curly bracket. But, fortunately, the first option did the job. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
David W. Fenton wrote: This is a non-crucial question for me, but an annoyance I encountered yesterday, creating an optimized score. The score is for 2 sopranos and basso continuo, so there are two groups defined (voices, BC). However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system (my layout is tight because I really must limit the piece to 3 pages). Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF Now, this is a quick-and-dirty score, created from a 7-page facsimile of the composer's very messy autograph, so I'm not so worried about it, but I do have to perform from it this Sunday, and in practicing with it, I have trouble with the systems that have a single line with no left bar. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? Options/Document Settings/Barlines then in the section on Left Barline check the box for Display on Single Staves. I think older versions called it Document Settings -- Finale 2005 calls it Document Options. In any event, that's where the setting it that you're looking for. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Beginning of staff line
Barlines: Document options > Barlines > Display on Single Staves. Brackets: Group attributes > Bracket: put checkmark on Show Bracket if Group Contains Only One Staff. Cheers, Hans David W. Fenton wrote: This is a non-crucial question for me, but an annoyance I encountered yesterday, creating an optimized score. The score is for 2 sopranos and basso continuo, so there are two groups defined (voices, BC). However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system (my layout is tight because I really must limit the piece to 3 pages). Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF Now, this is a quick-and-dirty score, created from a 7-page facsimile of the composer's very messy autograph, so I'm not so worried about it, but I do have to perform from it this Sunday, and in practicing with it, I have trouble with the systems that have a single line with no left bar. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Beginning of staff line
This is a non-crucial question for me, but an annoyance I encountered yesterday, creating an optimized score. The score is for 2 sopranos and basso continuo, so there are two groups defined (voices, BC). However, what I'm producing for now is a usable bass part to play from, with cues written in the 2nd soprano line. I then optimize to remove empty staves and end up with a result that has mostly 2 lines, but occasionally only the bass line. The problem is that the single staff has no left bar line or bracket, and it makes it hard for me to recognize where the next system begins when it's only a single system (my layout is tight because I really must limit the piece to 3 pages). Now, I know that proper engraving rules for a single part are that you *don't* have a left line on a single system, but this isn't a single part. The part is here (all on one line): http://www.bway.net/~dfenton/Collegium/Scores/Charpentier- TenebraeLessons.PDF Now, this is a quick-and-dirty score, created from a 7-page facsimile of the composer's very messy autograph, so I'm not so worried about it, but I do have to perform from it this Sunday, and in practicing with it, I have trouble with the systems that have a single line with no left bar. I've drawn them in by hand on the part I'm playing from, but I would like to know how to get them to show in the printed score. Is it doable? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
