Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
I might add my own experience when replacing a violinist colleague at the last moment for a choral concert with a well-known choral (and not-so-great orchestral) conductor. At one really tricky point I found pencilled in my part a pair of eyeglasses in a circle with a diagonal line over it (i.e. "don't look!"). I did make the mistake of looking up and found the conductor furiously attempting to confuse everybody, and my colleagues all carefully watching their belly buttons with wise smirks on their faces. The warning was, actually, invaluable. Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Andrew Stiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: finale@shsu.eduTo: finale@shsu.eduSubject: Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 12:58:06 -0400>> have never seen (in 40 years) that symbol in any music I have >>conducted>>Well you wouldn't, would you? since it A) has no place in the >*score* of anything and B) is normally handwritten in the part, not >printed by a publisher.>>I've never seen the eyeglasses in any published score I've ever >looked at (thousands of them!) either, but have had occasion myself >to pencil it into a part every third or fourth concert I play--and >see numerous examples of it already entered into my part by >previous users.>>Andrew Stiller>Kallisti Music Press>http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/>>___>Finale mailing list>Finale@shsu.edu>http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
Sorry, I should have said "in any parts" that I have conducted. At 9/14/2006 12:58 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >> have never seen (in 40 years) that symbol in any music I have >> conducted > >Well you wouldn't, would you? since it A) has no place in the *score* >of anything and B) is normally handwritten in the part, not printed by >a publisher. > >I've never seen the eyeglasses in any published score I've ever looked >at (thousands of them!) either, but have had occasion myself to pencil >it into a part every third or fourth concert I play--and see numerous >examples of it already entered into my part by previous users. Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
have never seen (in 40 years) that symbol in any music I have conducted Well you wouldn't, would you? since it A) has no place in the *score* of anything and B) is normally handwritten in the part, not printed by a publisher. I've never seen the eyeglasses in any published score I've ever looked at (thousands of them!) either, but have had occasion myself to pencil it into a part every third or fourth concert I play--and see numerous examples of it already entered into my part by previous users. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Eyeglasses?
There's also a great pair of 'specs' in the Golden Age font (plus a whole lot of other really useful symbols) and now Don Rice has updated it for new OS's it runs fine. I've had many a comment from the band/orch about how useful this is. Jonathan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
Title: Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses? At 11:35 AM -0400 9/13/06, Andrew Stiller wrote: BTW, this symbol is amazingly old. I've seen it in an early-15th c. MS. No conductors back then! Do you happen to remember what ms. that was? I wouldn't have thought that eyeglasses were all that common back then, if used at all. (Hmm. Time for a WikiSearch!) OK, I was wrong. I often am! Glasses first began to appear in common use in northern Italy late in the 13th century; most likely in the late 1280s. It is not clear when the technology was invented. It has been said that Marco Polo reported seeing many pairs of glasses in China as early as 1275[citation needed]. In 1676, Franciscus Redi, a professor of medicine at the University of Pisa, wrote that he possessed a 1289 manuscript whose author complains that he would be unable to read or write were it not for the recent invention of glasses, and a record of a sermon given in 1305, in which the speaker, a Dominican monk named Fra Giordano da Rivalto, remarked that glasses had been invented less than twenty years previously, and that he had met the inventor. Based on this evidence, Redi credited another Dominican monk, Fra Alessandro da Spina of Pisa, with the re-invention of glasses after their original inventor kept them a secret, a claim contained in da Spina's obituary record. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
Hello, Phil,To address your last point first; you can't assume the musicians will be watching--particularly if they're sightreading. Should they be watching? Of course. One eye on the part, and one on the conductor. As for the eyeglass symbol, it's common in jazz writing, and I encountered it regularly in parts for Broadway shows. I spent my career as a pit musician, playing percussion, and I often saw this symbol following a long vamp, for example, where the conductor would give us a new tempo. Or, when I needed to play a bell tone following some dialog. Or when I needed to provide a cue for dancers. In that case, it was equivocal whether I needed to look at the conductor, or the stage. Anyway, that was the common usage during the seventies and eighties when I played professionally. Best regards,Skip LombardiOn 9/13/06, Phil Daley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 9/13/2006 11:35 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >Is this a jazz vs. classical distinction, or just a matter of personal >interpretation? > >BTW, this symbol is amazingly old. I've seen it in an early-15th c. MS. >No conductors back then!I have never seen (in 40 years) that symbol in any music I have conducted(band and choir for students grade 5-12 and handbells).I always assumed that the performers were watching the conductor (perhaps that was a false assumption ;-)Phil Daley < AutoDesk >http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley___ Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Skip Lombardi16 Riverview AvenueNoank, CT 06340860.961.3631http://skiplombardi.org/blog ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
On Sep 13, 2006, at 8:35 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: Skip Lombardi wrote: as a student, I used to make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. Interesting. To me, the glasses always indicated that the spot indicated required special attention, e.g. for a tricky rhythm or unexpected accidental--not necessarily to look up at the conductor. "Pay attention - something unusual", is the way I have seen this used. I never assumed it meant to look anywhere but on the page. Chuck Is this a jazz vs. classical distinction, or just a matter of personal interpretation? BTW, this symbol is amazingly old. I've seen it in an early-15th c. MS. No conductors back then! --Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
At 9/13/2006 11:35 AM, Andrew Stiller wrote: >Is this a jazz vs. classical distinction, or just a matter of personal >interpretation? > >BTW, this symbol is amazingly old. I've seen it in an early-15th c. MS. >No conductors back then! I have never seen (in 40 years) that symbol in any music I have conducted (band and choir for students grade 5-12 and handbells). I always assumed that the performers were watching the conductor (perhaps that was a false assumption ;-) Phil Daley < AutoDesk > http://www.conknet.com/~p_daley ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
Skip Lombardi wrote: as a student, I used to make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. Interesting. To me, the glasses always indicated that the spot indicated required special attention, e.g. for a tricky rhythm or unexpected accidental--not necessarily to look up at the conductor. Is this a jazz vs. classical distinction, or just a matter of personal interpretation? BTW, this symbol is amazingly old. I've seen it in an early-15th c. MS. No conductors back then! --Andrew ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I see your point - I always taught students that any tempo alteration basically means the same to them - look up. I do use the eyeglasses from time to time in Finale if I'm doing a leadsheet and need to do something unusual to keep the number of pages at a minimum for my guitar players or woodwinds - eg. a simple verse, chorus, bridge tune that has an extension leading into the chorus that only happens the 2nd time through - I'll include a text instruction to skip the measures (or whatever the specific problem is) when appropriate and the eyeglasses near the text to tip them off that there is something non-standard happening - then, of course, verbally tell them and walk them through in rehearsal... TC On Sep 12, 2006, at 9:56 PM, John Howell wrote: Personal opinion below, nothing more. I've never seen it in print. It is a standard personal notation like many others (and I've learned that Europeans have another set of such personal markings that we've never adopted here in the U.S.), and as such it has no agreed-upon meaning. You may use it to mean "look up," but I may use it to mean "watch out!" (Which is exactly what I DO use it to mean, as a personal note to myself.) Like any non-standard notation, feel free to use it, but don't expect everyone else to know how you intend for them to interpret it. And any musician who isn't smart enough to look up and watch when a tempo change is marked (is it clearly marked?) has no business playing in a big band. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
At 9:57 PM -0400 9/12/06, Skip Lombardi wrote: Greetings, I'm writing a big band arrangement where I have a ritard that leads to a tempo change. When I did this sort of thing as a student, I used to make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. I'm not finding anything like that in the articulation tool, the expression tool, or the Jazz Font set. Is there indeed an eyeglass symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? Personal opinion below, nothing more. I've never seen it in print. It is a standard personal notation like many others (and I've learned that Europeans have another set of such personal markings that we've never adopted here in the U.S.), and as such it has no agreed-upon meaning. You may use it to mean "look up," but I may use it to mean "watch out!" (Which is exactly what I DO use it to mean, as a personal note to myself.) Like any non-standard notation, feel free to use it, but don't expect everyone else to know how you intend for them to interpret it. And any musician who isn't smart enough to look up and watch when a tempo change is marked (is it clearly marked?) has no business playing in a big band. John -- John & Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I don't know how I overlooked it either. It's character 174. I was able to add it to the articulation tool menu by selecting an arbitrary articulation, then duplicating, and editing to make it the eyeglass symbol. I can now add it ad libitum from the articulation tool, or mass edit, add articulation. Many thanks for all your help,SkipOn 9/12/06, Cecil Rigby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So, Carl & David found the character in Jazz font- I totally overlooked it-sorry! Good to know it's there C Rigby> There's one in the Jazz font that comes with Finale.___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale-- Skip Lombardi16 Riverview AvenueNoank, CT 06340860.961.3631http://skiplombardi.org/blog ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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So, Carl & David found the character in Jazz font- I totally overlooked it- sorry! Good to know it's there C Rigby There's one in the Jazz font that comes with Finale. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
Skip Lombardi wrote: Greetings, I'm writing a big band arrangement where I have a ritard that leads to a tempo change. When I did this sort of thing as a student, I used to make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. I'm not finding anything like that in the articulation tool, the expression tool, or the Jazz Font set. Is there indeed an eyeglass symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? Thanks in advance, and best regards, Skip Checking further, it appears to be character 0169 - the same as the © symbol. :) cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
On 12 Sep 2006 at 21:57, Skip Lombardi wrote: > I'm writing a big band arrangement where I have a ritard that leads to > a tempo change. When I did this sort of thing as a student, I used to > make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the > musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. I'm > not finding anything like that in the articulation tool, the > expression tool, or the Jazz Font set. Is there indeed an eyeglass > symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? There's one in the Jazz font that comes with Finale. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Eyeglasses?
Skip Lombardi wrote: Greetings, I'm writing a big band arrangement where I have a ritard that leads to a tempo change. When I did this sort of thing as a student, I used to make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. I'm not finding anything like that in the articulation tool, the expression tool, or the Jazz Font set. Is there indeed an eyeglass symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? Thanks in advance, and best regards, Skip The Jazz Font has a pair of eyeglasses, so it's possible - you just have to find them. I used the Windows utility "Character Map" to find them (which wasn't easy, as the entire symbol is not visible in the tiny frame) and then cut-paste into an expression. cd -- http://www.livejournal.com/users/dershem/# ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Never seen one in Finale, but Sibelius' Opus Special font has a pair of eyeglasses. You could download the program demo to get the font. Is there indeed an eyeglass symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? Thanks in advance, and best regards, Skip Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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At 09:57 PM 9/12/2006, Skip Lombardi wrote: >expression tool, or the Jazz Font set. Is there indeed an eyeglass >symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? I don't believe so. But there is an eyeglass symbol in the Opus Special font, which comes with Sibelius. You can get this font by downloading and installing the Sibelius demo. I think the fonts even remain on your system after you uninstall the application. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Eyeglasses?
Greetings,I'm writing a big band arrangement where I have a ritard that leads to a tempo change. When I did this sort of thing as a student, I used to make a graphic of eyeglasses on the parts, to indicate that the musicians should look up to get the new tempo from the conductor. I'm not finding anything like that in the articulation tool, the _expression_ tool, or the Jazz Font set. Is there indeed an eyeglass symbol or something comparable in Finale (2005)? Thanks in advance, and best regards,Skip-- Skip Lombardi16 Riverview AvenueNoank, CT 06340860.961.3631http://skiplombardi.org/blog ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
