Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction, in 2007?
Raymond Horton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nothing points out mistakes like a printer and on-site use, for some reason.Dynamic linking wouldn't help in the above situation, but I do face a huge project in which I have done hundreds of changes to an orchestral work that has already been performed. I'm not looking forward to re-extracting the parts, but I have no other choice. The old parts will help save time, but it will still take days. I will welcome the future dynamic linking, (or however the score-part connection will work) with an open checkbook. In case there is anyone who hasn't thought of this already: a poor relation of dynamic linking, but better than re-extracting in some circumstances* is to make the corrections in the score and then, part by part, copy a whole stave and paste it into the laid-out part. * e.g. no deletions or insertions of measures, but even with dynamic linking that will ruin the layout of some parts. -- Ken Moore Musician and engineer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
Aaron Sherber wrote: At 06:51 PM 12/14/2005, Kurt Gnos wrote: So - the best link, in my opinion, would be to have everything linked - but not formatting and all things related. Not to rehash the discussion we had in depth when the latest version of Sibelius came out -- but this is just how Sibelius does it. Data (i.e., notes and such) are linked, but formatting is not (or at least, not necessarily). Right -- not necessarily, but formatting CAN be linked. I don't want a program making the decision for me as to what will and won't be linked. I want the freedom to be able to work on a part and have any change be reflected back in the score (or not) as I feel it suits MY project best. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
Kurt Gnos wrote: When I print parts, I often do some reformatting I would NOT like in the original score. However, I often correct or re-arrange some notes, and it would be very nice to have them automatically corrected in the score, as well. Also, added articulations and such. Or I find a faulty lyric in an extracted leadsheet. Wouldn't it be nice if it was corrected in the full score, as well? So - the best link, in my opinion, would be to have everything linked - but not formatting and all things related. Maybe there could be an option or a diologue box when saving it, as would you like to update your changes into the full score?... That would be great! On the other hand, there may occasionally be changes you DO want reflected in the score, even with layout issues. I would rather have the ability to have any change in the parts be reflected in the score, so that while working on a linked part each change would popup a dialog asking if the change should: 1) be reflected in the score; and 2) be reflected on all the other parts. This would of course have to happen with each change, but would enable minute control of what gets changed where. And I think it should occur much more often than simply when saving a linked part. Things like changing a note from one pitch to another pitch obviously should be reflected in the score, but if (for whatever reasons which we need not discuss now) you wish to change a pitch to an enharmonic spelling, we may well not want that reflected in the score. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction, in 2007?
Raymond Horton wrote: ... but I do face a huge project in which I have done hundreds of changes to an orchestral work that has already been performed. I'm not looking forward to re-extracting the parts, but I have no other choice. The old parts will help save time, but it will still take days. I will welcome the future dynamic linking, (or however the score-part connection will work) with an open checkbook. Ken Moore wrote: In case there is anyone who hasn't thought of this already: a poor relation of dynamic linking, but better than re-extracting in some circumstances* is to make the corrections in the score and then, part by part, copy a whole stave and paste it into the laid-out part. * e.g. no deletions or insertions of measures, but even with dynamic linking that will ruin the layout of some parts. I've done that sort of thing before, certainly, but this one project is more involved - some instruments that did not play in whole sections of the old version of the work do in the new version, etc. (So dynamic linking would change the layout, too, in those parts, but in the others it wouldn't.) The cut-and-paste method can be risky, (i.e. one can miss things) and probably slower than re-extracting in this case. RBH ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
Agreed. But this may be quite complicated... Say, I extract a guitar part, add a TAB system, change the frettings... Or, worse, save it under a new name...;-) Not that I wouldn't like it, but I see some heavy and dangerous programming coming up... Kurt At 11:40 15.12.2005, you wrote: Kurt Gnos wrote: When I print parts, I often do some reformatting I would NOT like in the original score. However, I often correct or re-arrange some notes, and it would be very nice to have them automatically corrected in the score, as well. Also, added articulations and such. Or I find a faulty lyric in an extracted leadsheet. Wouldn't it be nice if it was corrected in the full score, as well? So - the best link, in my opinion, would be to have everything linked - but not formatting and all things related. Maybe there could be an option or a diologue box when saving it, as would you like to update your changes into the full score?... That would be great! On the other hand, there may occasionally be changes you DO want reflected in the score, even with layout issues. I would rather have the ability to have any change in the parts be reflected in the score, so that while working on a linked part each change would popup a dialog asking if the change should: 1) be reflected in the score; and 2) be reflected on all the other parts. This would of course have to happen with each change, but would enable minute control of what gets changed where. And I think it should occur much more often than simply when saving a linked part. Things like changing a note from one pitch to another pitch obviously should be reflected in the score, but if (for whatever reasons which we need not discuss now) you wish to change a pitch to an enharmonic spelling, we may well not want that reflected in the score. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
David's post says it all. I especially like : David W. Fenton wrote: ... When I was teaching at NYU, I always used to say that the best way to proofread the materials I was handing out to students was to make 50 copies of it and then read it -- at that point, every single error would stand out. Then I'd fix it and toss the original 50. The proofing never seemed to be as effective until I'd committed to making the photocopies. I thought I was the only one. Reminds me of the last orchestral piece I wrote. I painstakenly poured over each part, printed them and sent them on to the orchestra. Then I was copying them as PDFs onto a laptop to take with me to the first rehearsal with a small printer (just in case a part had gotten lost or left at home by someone). I could not believe my eyes when the first part - piccolo - popped up with it's first entrance in BASS CLEF and about twenty leger lines!!!. (When I had inserted a timpani cue I must have inadvertandly grabbed a few extra bars for the clef.) I corrected and reprinted it and, just before the rehearsal the next morning brought it to the player (who had gamely written names above the notes on the bad part). Nothing points out mistakes like a printer and on-site use, for some reason.Dynamic linking wouldn't help in the above situation, but I do face a huge project in which I have done hundreds of changes to an orchestral work that has already been performed. I'm not looking forward to re-extracting the parts, but I have no other choice. The old parts will help save time, but it will still take days. I will welcome the future dynamic linking, (or however the score-part connection will work) with an open checkbook. Raymond Horton Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
When I print parts, I often do some reformatting I would NOT like in the original score. However, I often correct or re-arrange some notes, and it would be very nice to have them automatically corrected in the score, as well. Also, added articulations and such. Or I find a faulty lyric in an extracted leadsheet. Wouldn't it be nice if it was corrected in the full score, as well? So - the best link, in my opinion, would be to have everything linked - but not formatting and all things related. Maybe there could be an option or a diologue box when saving it, as would you like to update your changes into the full score?... That would be great! Kurt At 21:11 14.12.2005, you wrote: David's post says it all. I especially like : David W. Fenton wrote: ... When I was teaching at NYU, I always used to say that the best way to proofread the materials I was handing out to students was to make 50 copies of it and then read it -- at that point, every single error would stand out. Then I'd fix it and toss the original 50. The proofing never seemed to be as effective until I'd committed to making the photocopies. I thought I was the only one. Reminds me of the last orchestral piece I wrote. I painstakenly poured over each part, printed them and sent them on to the orchestra. Then I was copying them as PDFs onto a laptop to take with me to the first rehearsal with a small printer (just in case a part had gotten lost or left at home by someone). I could not believe my eyes when the first part - piccolo - popped up with it's first entrance in BASS CLEF and about twenty leger lines!!!. (When I had inserted a timpani cue I must have inadvertandly grabbed a few extra bars for the clef.) I corrected and reprinted it and, just before the rehearsal the next morning brought it to the player (who had gamely written names above the notes on the bad part). Nothing points out mistakes like a printer and on-site use, for some reason.Dynamic linking wouldn't help in the above situation, but I do face a huge project in which I have done hundreds of changes to an orchestral work that has already been performed. I'm not looking forward to re-extracting the parts, but I have no other choice. The old parts will help save time, but it will still take days. I will welcome the future dynamic linking, (or however the score-part connection will work) with an open checkbook. Raymond Horton Louisville Orchestra ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
Best thing to do is download the Sib 4 demo and experiment with Dynamic Parts. Then email MM and tell them what you like and don't like about Sib's implementation. Trust me, after actually trying it out for a while, you will run into all sorts of dilemmas you hadn't previously considered, so it's important that everyone take a close look at how Sib does things before making recommendations. I happen to think Sib does it very, very well. The feature is carefully considered and elegantly executed (especially from a UI perspective). That's not to say Finale couldn't improve on Sib's Dynamic Parts in some areas… - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://secretsociety.typepad.com Brooklyn, NY On 14 Dec 2005, at 6:51 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: When I print parts, I often do some reformatting I would NOT like in the original score. However, I often correct or re-arrange some notes, and it would be very nice to have them automatically corrected in the score, as well. Also, added articulations and such. Or I find a faulty lyric in an extracted leadsheet. Wouldn't it be nice if it was corrected in the full score, as well? So - the best link, in my opinion, would be to have everything linked - but not formatting and all things related. Maybe there could be an option or a diologue box when saving it, as would you like to update your changes into the full score?... That would be great! ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2006b is Available. Score-part connction in 2007?
At 06:51 PM 12/14/2005, Kurt Gnos wrote: So - the best link, in my opinion, would be to have everything linked - but not formatting and all things related. Not to rehash the discussion we had in depth when the latest version of Sibelius came out -- but this is just how Sibelius does it. Data (i.e., notes and such) are linked, but formatting is not (or at least, not necessarily). Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
