Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

[Williams, Jim]

What makes you think they don't?

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 6, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
> 
> I have to reiterate my belief again that Finale, for all its wonders, needs
> to offer beta-versions to power-users – dozens of them – on a volunteer
> basis before their releases. Many issues throughout all versions could be
> avoided if enough hardcore pros tested out their normal workflows. In-house
> expertise can only go so far.
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM,  wrote:
>> 
>> Send Finale mailing list submissions to
>>finale@shsu.edu
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>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>   1. Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David Froom SMCM)
>>   2. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (Chuck Israels)
>>   3. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David H. Bailey)
>>   4. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Alberto Guzm?n Naranjo)
>>   5. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Chuck Israels)
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: David Froom SMCM 
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:39:10 -0500
>> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>> 
>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> David Froom
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Chuck Israels 
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:20:12 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Just encountered the same problem!
>> 
>> No solution yet.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Froom
>>> ___
>>> Finale mailing list
>>> Finale@shsu.edu
>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>> 
>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>> 
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>> (360) 201-3434
>> 
>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>> Portland Or 97202
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: "David H. Bailey" 
>> To: 
>> Cc:
>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:25:42 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>> I notice the Finale-employees who are members of this list are noticeably
>> quiet these days.  I would think they would be jumping in to offer
>> solutions to these new problems that are cropping up.
>> 
>> Definitely troubling that such things weren't discovered in beta testing
>> of this new half-version.
>> 
>> David H. Bailey
>> 
>> 
>>> On 12/5/2015 2:20 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Just encountered the same problem!
>>> 
>>> No solution yet.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
 
 I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
 occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
 included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
 disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
 for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
 changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
 
 Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
 
 Thanks,
 David Froom
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Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

[Dean Rosenthal]

I have to reiterate my belief again that Finale, for all its wonders, needs
to offer beta-versions to power-users – dozens of them – on a volunteer
basis before their releases. Many issues throughout all versions could be
avoided if enough hardcore pros tested out their normal workflows. In-house
expertise can only go so far.

On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM,  wrote:

> Send Finale mailing list submissions to
> finale@shsu.edu
>
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> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> finale-requ...@shsu.edu
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> finale-ow...@shsu.edu
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Finale digest..."
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>1. Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David Froom SMCM)
>2. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (Chuck Israels)
>3. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David H. Bailey)
>4. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Alberto Guzm?n Naranjo)
>5. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Chuck Israels)
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: David Froom SMCM 
> To: 
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:39:10 -0500
> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>
> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
> David Froom
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Chuck Israels 
> To: 
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:20:12 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
> Hi David,
>
> Just encountered the same problem!
>
> No solution yet.
>
> Chuck
>
>
> > On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
> >
> > I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
> >
> > Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David Froom
> > ___
> > Finale mailing list
> > Finale@shsu.edu
> > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
> >
> > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
> > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>
> Chuck Israels
> cisra...@comcast.net 
> (360) 201-3434
>
> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
> Portland Or 97202
>
> 
>
>
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "David H. Bailey" 
> To: 
> Cc:
> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:25:42 -0500
> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
> I notice the Finale-employees who are members of this list are noticeably
> quiet these days.  I would think they would be jumping in to offer
> solutions to these new problems that are cropping up.
>
> Definitely troubling that such things weren't discovered in beta testing
> of this new half-version.
>
> David H. Bailey
>
>
> On 12/5/2015 2:20 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Just encountered the same problem!
>>
>> No solution yet.
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
>>>
>>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Froom
>>> ___
>>> Finale mailing list
>>> Finale@shsu.edu
>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>>
>>> To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
>>> finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>>>
>>
>> Chuck Israels
>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>> (360) 201-3434
>>
>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>> Portland Or 97202
>>
>> 
>>
>> ___
>> Finale mailing list
>> Finale@shsu.edu
>> 

Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

[Phil Buglass]

Well, the users here have identified a whole bunch of problems, within a 
week or so of the release.   If they *are* doing this, then they are 
picking the wrong people, obviously!

I am just a hobbyist, and not in the same league as a bunch of the 
power-users who post here.  I wouldn't be a whole lot of use to them, 
but a significant subset of this group *would*...

On 12/6/2015 10:46 PM, Williams, Jim wrote:
> What makes you think they don't?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Dec 6, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
>>
>> I have to reiterate my belief again that Finale, for all its wonders, needs
>> to offer beta-versions to power-users – dozens of them – on a volunteer
>> basis before their releases. Many issues throughout all versions could be
>> avoided if enough hardcore pros tested out their normal workflows. In-house
>> expertise can only go so far.
>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Send Finale mailing list submissions to
>>> finale@shsu.edu
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>> https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> finale-requ...@shsu.edu
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> finale-ow...@shsu.edu
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Finale digest..."
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>1. Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David Froom SMCM)
>>>2. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (Chuck Israels)
>>>3. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David H. Bailey)
>>>4. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Alberto Guzm?n Naranjo)
>>>5. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Chuck Israels)
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: David Froom SMCM 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:39:10 -0500
>>> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Froom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Chuck Israels 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:20:12 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>>> Hi David,
>>>
>>> Just encountered the same problem!
>>>
>>> No solution yet.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>
 On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:

 I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
 Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?

 Thanks,
 David Froom
 ___
 Finale mailing list
 Finale@shsu.edu
 https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

 To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
 finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>>> Chuck Israels
>>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>>> (360) 201-3434
>>>
>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>> Portland Or 97202
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: "David H. Bailey" 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:25:42 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>>> I notice the Finale-employees who are members of this list are noticeably
>>> quiet these days.  I would think they would be jumping in to offer
>>> solutions to these new problems that are cropping up.
>>>
>>> Definitely troubling that such things weren't discovered in beta testing
>>> of this new half-version.
>>>
>>> David H. Bailey
>>>
>>>
 On 12/5/2015 2:20 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:

 Hi David,

 Just encountered the same problem!

 No solution yet.

 Chuck


> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
>
> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others 
> have
> 

Re: [Finale] Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 3

[Dave Lang]

At least one beta tester has posted on the makemusic forums that their feedback 
has been ignored. If the search function worked on the forums, you could 
probably find that

Dave

On Dec 6, 2015, at 7:46 PM, Williams, Jim  wrote:

> What makes you think they don't?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Dean Rosenthal  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to reiterate my belief again that Finale, for all its wonders, needs
>> to offer beta-versions to power-users – dozens of them – on a volunteer
>> basis before their releases. Many issues throughout all versions could be
>> avoided if enough hardcore pros tested out their normal workflows. In-house
>> expertise can only go so far.
>> 
>>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2015 at 1:00 PM,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Send Finale mailing list submissions to
>>>   finale@shsu.edu
>>> 
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>   https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>   finale-requ...@shsu.edu
>>> 
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>   finale-ow...@shsu.edu
>>> 
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Finale digest..."
>>> 
>>> Today's Topics:
>>> 
>>>  1. Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David Froom SMCM)
>>>  2. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (Chuck Israels)
>>>  3. Re: Finale 2014.5 and Garritan (David H. Bailey)
>>>  4. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Alberto Guzm?n Naranjo)
>>>  5. Re: Finale Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 (Chuck Israels)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: David Froom SMCM 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 13:39:10 -0500
>>> Subject: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>>> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> David Froom
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Chuck Israels 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:20:12 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>>> Hi David,
>>> 
>>> Just encountered the same problem!
>>> 
>>> No solution yet.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
 
 I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
>>> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
>>> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others have
>>> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
>>> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).  Clearly the instrument location has
>>> changed, and Finale doesn't know to where.
 
 Does anyone have a suggestion of what I should do to fix this?
 
 Thanks,
 David Froom
 ___
 Finale mailing list
 Finale@shsu.edu
 https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
 
 To unsubscribe from finale send a message to:
 finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
>>> 
>>> Chuck Israels
>>> cisra...@comcast.net 
>>> (360) 201-3434
>>> 
>>> 8831 SE 12th Ave.
>>> Portland Or 97202
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: "David H. Bailey" 
>>> To: 
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:25:42 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [Finale] Finale 2014.5 and Garritan
>>> I notice the Finale-employees who are members of this list are noticeably
>>> quiet these days.  I would think they would be jumping in to offer
>>> solutions to these new problems that are cropping up.
>>> 
>>> Definitely troubling that such things weren't discovered in beta testing
>>> of this new half-version.
>>> 
>>> David H. Bailey
>>> 
>>> 
 On 12/5/2015 2:20 PM, Chuck Israels wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Just encountered the same problem!
 
 No solution yet.
 
 Chuck
 
 
> On Dec 5, 2015, at 10:39 AM, David Froom SMCM  wrote:
> 
> I recently upgraded to 2014.5 (Mac).  I have the full Garritan, but
> occasionally use the Finale version for the non-orchestral instruments
> included. After the upgrade, the full Garritan is fine, but the others 
> have
> disappeared, except, oddly, a single instrument (viola).  This is so, now
> for both versions (2014 and 2014.5).