Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
Chuck Israels wrote: Hi David, The problem is that things don't work the way one might imagine if you leave that Break Multi-measure Rest box unchecked. If you have a 6 m. rest with an expression attached to the last measure, the program only accommodates (shows) expressions attached to the first measure of the mm rest, so anything at the end does not show. There are workarounds, but they seem kludgy and fussy to me - requiring multiple operations. I was wondering if anyone had come up with anything elegant. Maybe it's one of those things that is not easily solved, but I been surprised by my own blindness and the insights of others in the past, so I have reason to hope. [snip] Perhaps you could place it as a text block after the multimeasure rest is created? -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
On 28-Dec-06, at 5:20 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Hi David, The problem is that things don't work the way one might imagine if you leave that Break Multi-measure Rest box unchecked. If you have a 6 m. rest with an expression attached to the last measure, the program only accommodates (shows) expressions attached to the first measure of the mm rest, so anything at the end does not show. There are workarounds, but they seem kludgy and fussy to me - requiring multiple operations. I was wondering if anyone had come up with anything elegant. Maybe it's one of those things that is not easily solved, but I been surprised by my own blindness and the insights of others in the past, so I have reason to hope. [snip] Perhaps you could place it as a text block after the multimeasure rest is created? This is how I have always done it. I have an expression all created and ready to go, with the measure placement set to get it as close as reasonably expected to the correct place, and assigned to a metatool. This way it is a one-click patch repair on each part. Happily, when you assign a measure-attached expression to a multimeasure rest, it thinks that the entire rest is ONE measure (the first measure), so it works out unless you edit the rest by breaking it up later. The expression thinks it has been assigned to the FIRST measure of a multimeasure rest, so you might have to keep that in mind. I HATE breaking a multimeasure rest to show a DS on the last measure. That's just plain wrong. I also hate having to remember to repair the extracted parts like this, but it beats the alternative. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
On Dec 28, 2006, at 2:20 AM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Hi David, The problem is that things don't work the way one might imagine if you leave that Break Multi-measure Rest box unchecked. If you have a 6 m. rest with an expression attached to the last measure, the program only accommodates (shows) expressions attached to the first measure of the mm rest, so anything at the end does not show. There are workarounds, but they seem kludgy and fussy to me - requiring multiple operations. I was wondering if anyone had come up with anything elegant. Maybe it's one of those things that is not easily solved, but I been surprised by my own blindness and the insights of others in the past, so I have reason to hope. [snip] Perhaps you could place it as a text block after the multimeasure rest is created? David, - that would work. I have written MM about this, asking for a Show in MM Rest toggle. We can hope. Thanks, Chuck -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
Hi all, When you define a measure expression to break a MM rest, it separates that measure from a group mm rest. (I can't figure out how else it could work, but I'm hoping.) So, when you have a To Coda sign that happens to appear at the end of 6 measures of rest in a part, that mm rest will be broken into 5 measures of mm rest and one separated measure, with the to Coda at the end of that separated measure. It is possible to force that sign to appear as I'd like it - at the end of a 6 measure block rest, by applying it in the part to the first measure of that mm block, but that will not work with linked parts (or at least not without a lot more trouble showing and hiding things). Am I missing something here? Is there some engraving style reason for separating that measure from the block rest? Is there an easy way to accomplish the goal of - for example, a to Coda sign at the end of 6 measures of rest without breaking the block into 5 and 1 that still maintains the integrity of assigning the expression to the correct measure. This has plagued me for a long time, and I am only now coming around to asking for advice. Ideas? Thanks, Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, When you define a measure expression to break a MM rest, it separates that measure from a group mm rest. (I can't figure out how else it could work, but I'm hoping.) So, when you have a To Coda sign that happens to appear at the end of 6 measures of rest in a part, that mm rest will be broken into 5 measures of mm rest and one separated measure, with the to Coda at the end of that separated measure. It is possible to force that sign to appear as I'd like it - at the end of a 6 measure block rest, by applying it in the part to the first measure of that mm block, but that will not work with linked parts (or at least not without a lot more trouble showing and hiding things). Am I missing something here? Is there some engraving style reason for separating that measure from the block rest? Is there an easy way to accomplish the goal of - for example, a to Coda sign at the end of 6 measures of rest without breaking the block into 5 and 1 that still maintains the integrity of assigning the expression to the correct measure. This has plagued me for a long time, and I am only now coming around to asking for advice. Ideas? You mention expression -- are you placing the To Coda sign as an expression or as a Repeat? If you design it as an expression, you can simply leave the break multimeasure rest box unchecked and things should work as you wish. I see no way to accomplish what you want, using the Repeat tool version of that sign. There are no options in the Repeat menu or Document Options to not break multi-measure rests for repeats. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
Hi David, The problem is that things don't work the way one might imagine if you leave that Break Multi-measure Rest box unchecked. If you have a 6 m. rest with an expression attached to the last measure, the program only accommodates (shows) expressions attached to the first measure of the mm rest, so anything at the end does not show. There are workarounds, but they seem kludgy and fussy to me - requiring multiple operations. I was wondering if anyone had come up with anything elegant. Maybe it's one of those things that is not easily solved, but I been surprised by my own blindness and the insights of others in the past, so I have reason to hope. Chuck On Dec 27, 2006, at 2:25 PM, dhbailey wrote: Chuck Israels wrote: Hi all, When you define a measure expression to break a MM rest, it separates that measure from a group mm rest. (I can't figure out how else it could work, but I'm hoping.) So, when you have a To Coda sign that happens to appear at the end of 6 measures of rest in a part, that mm rest will be broken into 5 measures of mm rest and one separated measure, with the to Coda at the end of that separated measure. It is possible to force that sign to appear as I'd like it - at the end of a 6 measure block rest, by applying it in the part to the first measure of that mm block, but that will not work with linked parts (or at least not without a lot more trouble showing and hiding things). Am I missing something here? Is there some engraving style reason for separating that measure from the block rest? Is there an easy way to accomplish the goal of - for example, a to Coda sign at the end of 6 measures of rest without breaking the block into 5 and 1 that still maintains the integrity of assigning the expression to the correct measure. This has plagued me for a long time, and I am only now coming around to asking for advice. Ideas? You mention expression -- are you placing the To Coda sign as an expression or as a Repeat? If you design it as an expression, you can simply leave the break multimeasure rest box unchecked and things should work as you wish. I see no way to accomplish what you want, using the Repeat tool version of that sign. There are no options in the Repeat menu or Document Options to not break multi-measure rests for repeats. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
In a message dated 12/27/06 7:30:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that things don't work the way one might imagine if you leave that Break Multi-measure Rest box unchecked. If you have a 6 m. rest with an expression attached to the last measure, the program only accommodates (shows) expressions attached to the first measure of the mm rest, so anything at the end does not show. There are workarounds, but they seem kludgy and fussy to me - requiring multiple operations. I was wondering if anyone had come up with anything elegant. Maybe it's one of those things that is not easily solved, but I been surprised by my own blindness and the insights of others in the past, so I have reason to hope. Chuck Hi Chuck - I know what you mean and feel your pain. Remember the days when there really weren't options to avoid having expressions swallowed up by mm rests? Regarding your issue - I always pay close attention when there are roadmap instructions like to Coda, etc. so they make it into the parts regardless of the material. In your situation, I find it useful to attach the expression (btw - if it was repeat text, I think it would split out the MM rest anyway) to the measure FOLLOWING the actual to coda jump (which is never part of a MM rest). The only time this doesn't work right is if there is a page break at that spot. This way it doesn't interfere with the MM rest and never gets buried. You can set the text positioning to right align on the left barline and it even places it properly (mostly). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure expressions MM rest breaks
See, now there's a solution that hadn't occurred to me. (See below) As usual, a simple enough one - lateral thinking. Thank you John, I will try this. Chuck On Dec 27, 2006, at 5:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 12/27/06 7:30:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem is that things don't work the way one might imagine if you leave that Break Multi-measure Rest box unchecked. If you have a 6 m. rest with an expression attached to the last measure, the program only accommodates (shows) expressions attached to the first measure of the mm rest, so anything at the end does not show. There are workarounds, but they seem kludgy and fussy to me - requiring multiple operations. I was wondering if anyone had come up with anything elegant. Maybe it's one of those things that is not easily solved, but I been surprised by my own blindness and the insights of others in the past, so I have reason to hope. Chuck Hi Chuck - I know what you mean and feel your pain. Remember the days when there really weren't options to avoid having expressions swallowed up by mm rests? Regarding your issue - I always pay close attention when there are roadmap instructions like to Coda, etc. so they make it into the parts regardless of the material. In your situation, I find it useful to attach the expression (btw - if it was repeat text, I think it would split out the MM rest anyway) to the measure FOLLOWING the actual to coda jump (which is never part of a MM rest). The only time this doesn't work right is if there is a page break at that spot. This way it doesn't interfere with the MM rest and never gets buried. You can set the text positioning to right align on the left barline and it even places it properly (mostly). ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
