Re: [Finale] Note Spacing
On 15.08.2007 MB wrote: I've had this problem a lot. You can grab as many measures as you want, then go to Mass Edit, Note Spacing, and choose whichever spacing you like. I've had to do this so many times that I finally made a kind of "macro" using TG Tools' menu shortcuts. That too will save you lots of headaches. Such a Macro is preprogrammed: just hit "4" to get note spacing. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
re: [Finale] Note Spacing
I've had this problem a lot. You can grab as many measures as you want, then go to Mass Edit, Note Spacing, and choose whichever spacing you like. I've had to do this so many times that I finally made a kind of "macro" using TG Tools' menu shortcuts. That too will save you lots of headaches. Hope this helps. Marilyn Forwarded Message From: "Bruce E. Clausen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Finale" Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:10:49 -0700Subject: [Finale] Note Spacing Plain Text Attachment [ Scan and Save to Computer ] WinFin06c: I'm working with some measures (horn & piano; 3/4) where the dotted quarter in the horn part seems to constrict the six 8ths in the piano (they are cramped within the measure). The same problem when the piano has dotted quarter (pair) tremolos and the 8ths in the horn part become cramped. I can respace the notes with the Note Position tool easily enough. Is there a quicker way to make a mass edit (there are many such measures), rather than spacing one note at a time? Thanks.Bruce E. ClausenPS Everyone who has responded to my previous cries for help has been great! Your time and expertise are greatly appreciated. - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note Spacing
Thanks, Aaron. Works like a charm! BC (still a lot to learn) - Original Message - From: "Aaron Sherber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ; "Finale" Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] Note Spacing At 06:10 PM 8/14/2007, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: >WinFin06c: I'm working with some measures (horn & piano; 3/4) where >the dotted quarter in the horn part seems to constrict the six 8ths in >the piano (they are cramped within the measure). The same problem >when the piano has dotted quarter (pair) tremolos and the 8ths in the >horn part become cramped. I can respace the notes with the Note >Position tool easily enough. Is there a quicker way to make a mass >edit (there are many such measures), rather than spacing one note at a >time? Thanks. Silly question, but have you tried re-applying note spacing? Select the measures with the Mass Edit tool and press '4'. Make sure you select the measures in *all* staves. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note Spacing
At 06:10 PM 8/14/2007, Bruce E. Clausen wrote: >WinFin06c: I'm working with some measures (horn & piano; 3/4) where >the dotted quarter in the horn part seems to constrict the six 8ths in >the piano (they are cramped within the measure). The same problem >when the piano has dotted quarter (pair) tremolos and the 8ths in the >horn part become cramped. I can respace the notes with the Note >Position tool easily enough. Is there a quicker way to make a mass >edit (there are many such measures), rather than spacing one note at a >time? Thanks. Silly question, but have you tried re-applying note spacing? Select the measures with the Mass Edit tool and press '4'. Make sure you select the measures in *all* staves. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note Spacing
Jim - Yes, I have Auto Update Layout turned on. BC - Original Message - From: "Williams, Jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: RE: [Finale] Note Spacing Sounds like a case for update layout. CTRL+U. Do you have auto update layout turned on? Jim From: Bruce E. Clausen Sent: Tue 14-Aug-07 18:10 To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Note Spacing WinFin06c: I'm working with some measures (horn & piano; 3/4) where the dotted quarter in the horn part seems to constrict the six 8ths in the piano (they are cramped within the measure). The same problem when the piano has dotted quarter (pair) tremolos and the 8ths in the horn part become cramped. I can respace the notes with the Note Position tool easily enough. Is there a quicker way to make a mass edit (there are many such measures), rather than spacing one note at a time? Thanks. Bruce E. Clausen PS Everyone who has responded to my previous cries for help has been great! Your time and expertise are greatly appreciated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Note Spacing
Sounds like a case for update layout. CTRL+U. Do you have auto update layout turned on? Jim From: Bruce E. Clausen Sent: Tue 14-Aug-07 18:10 To: Finale Subject: [Finale] Note Spacing WinFin06c: I'm working with some measures (horn & piano; 3/4) where the dotted quarter in the horn part seems to constrict the six 8ths in the piano (they are cramped within the measure). The same problem when the piano has dotted quarter (pair) tremolos and the 8ths in the horn part become cramped. I can respace the notes with the Note Position tool easily enough. Is there a quicker way to make a mass edit (there are many such measures), rather than spacing one note at a time? Thanks. Bruce E. Clausen PS Everyone who has responded to my previous cries for help has been great! Your time and expertise are greatly appreciated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Note Spacing
WinFin06c: I'm working with some measures (horn & piano; 3/4) where the dotted quarter in the horn part seems to constrict the six 8ths in the piano (they are cramped within the measure). The same problem when the piano has dotted quarter (pair) tremolos and the 8ths in the horn part become cramped. I can respace the notes with the Note Position tool easily enough. Is there a quicker way to make a mass edit (there are many such measures), rather than spacing one note at a time? Thanks. Bruce E. Clausen PS Everyone who has responded to my previous cries for help has been great! Your time and expertise are greatly appreciated. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] note spacing question
On 03.08.2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am working on a part extraction job for a composer and I have recently upgraded to 2006b, but am noticing many similarities to some of the peculiarities of 2003b. For instance, clicking the speedy note entry on any completed bar somehow helps reset the spacing of that bar, up to a point. I noticed this especially with part extraction, that many problems of the spacing could be solved simply by clicking through an entire part using speedy note entry and then clicking off to see all the measures get optimized. All except some specific bars, for some reason. Perhaps these measures had been tinkered with directly in the score which brings settings (for better or worse) to the extracted part. At any rate, I have two questions; is there a better, more efficient manner of doing what I have described without simply having to click through an entire part using speedy note entry? Also, for the bars that seem to be frozen and do not respond to the above method (many of which h ave notes either very close or even spilling out over their respective barlines), how do I remove any settings which seem to be inherent in the measure? I have tried using the measure attributes dialogue box to no effect, and ended up having to go with the "nuclear" option and copying measures that weren't in bad repair and replacing entries. I'm hoping there is a simpler solution? As someone else already said, you probably just have to respace your whole document. The bars with notes "very close" or "spilling out" probably have too many notes in them ie more than the time sig allows. I have one more gripe about a particular bug that existed also back in 2003. You're using page layout, you're playing around with the spacing between systems, you think you have the proper layout that just fits your pages, and then while you're working with the document, a line or lines will just reappear out of nowhere and end up on a new final page. Why is it that page layout will just allow systems to go into limbo, making it look like you've gotten your layout right, until you go through each page and notice that for some reason you have system 10 at the bottom of the first page, and system 12 at the top of the second? I can deal with this bug and check for it in three and four page parts, but in long optimized scores this seems like a serious pitfall. And I'm suspecting this bug has been around for more than just three years. Turn on Automatic Update Layout. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] note spacing question
At 12:22 PM 8/3/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >For instance, clicking the speedy note >entry on any completed bar somehow helps reset the spacing of that >bar, up to a point. I noticed this especially with part extraction, >that many problems of the spacing could be solved simply by clicking >through an entire part using speedy note entry and then clicking off >to see all the measures get optimized. If you have Automatic Music Spacing turned on, then doing anything to a measure (including entering it with Speedy) will cause the music spacing to be recalculated. You can do the same thing for the whole score by selecting the Mass Edit tool, hitting Ctrl-A to select all measures, and then pressing 4 to apply Note Spacing. > Also, for the bars that seem to be frozen and do not respond to the >above method (many of which have notes either very close or even >spilling out over their respective barlines), how do I remove any >settings which seem to be inherent in the measure? There is a workaround for this which involves the 3rd party plugin TGTools. A lite version of this plugin is bundled with Finale, but it doesn't include the needed functionality. The trick is to use a TGTools spacing plugin to insert and then remove a very small amount of space in the measure, forcing the measure to recalculate its beat chart. FWIW, I find TGTools indispensable for most of my Finale work; you can buy the full version at tgtools.com. I hope I've understood your question correctly. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] note spacing question
I am working on a part extraction job for a composer and I have recently upgraded to 2006b, but am noticing many similarities to some of the peculiarities of 2003b. For instance, clicking the speedy note entry on any completed bar somehow helps reset the spacing of that bar, up to a point. I noticed this especially with part extraction, that many problems of the spacing could be solved simply by clicking through an entire part using speedy note entry and then clicking off to see all the measures get optimized. All except some specific bars, for some reason. Perhaps these measures had been tinkered with directly in the score which brings settings (for better or worse) to the extracted part. At any rate, I have two questions; is there a better, more efficient manner of doing what I have described without simply having to click through an entire part using speedy note entry? Also, for the bars that seem to be frozen and do not respond to the above method (many of which have notes either very close or even spilling out over their respective barlines), how do I remove any settings which seem to be inherent in the measure? I have tried using the measure attributes dialogue box to no effect, and ended up having to go with the "nuclear" option and copying measures that weren't in bad repair and replacing entries. I'm hoping there is a simpler solution? I have one more gripe about a particular bug that existed also back in 2003. You're using page layout, you're playing around with the spacing between systems, you think you have the proper layout that just fits your pages, and then while you're working with the document, a line or lines will just reappear out of nowhere and end up on a new final page. Why is it that page layout will just allow systems to go into limbo, making it look like you've gotten your layout right, until you go through each page and notice that for some reason you have system 10 at the bottom of the first page, and system 12 at the top of the second? I can deal with this bug and check for it in three and four page parts, but in long optimized scores this seems like a serious pitfall. And I'm suspecting this bug has been around for more than just three years. Michael Wittenburg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Note spacing
Maybe I hadn’t noticed before, but working on a piece with lots of ties and syncopation, WinFin 2001 seems to offer bizarre note spacing in such measures. I work mainly in ‘note spacing’ mode, as opposed to ‘beat spacing’ or ‘time sig spacing’. Is this problem fixable- or must I tweak all the offenders! Cheers Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.796 / Virus Database: 540 - Release Date: 13/11/2004 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note spacing
On Jun 14, 2004, at 7:28 AM, collegemennonite.org wrote: I always use note spacing in the Mass Edit Tool. I have "lyrics" checked in my default spacing options. I tried unchecking "lyrics" and it does space the first note evenly throughout, however it causes many other lyric collisions. Yeah, lyric spacing can be a bitch that way. One general technique I use a lot for piano-vocal music is this: First I space the music with Lyrics checked under Music Spacing Options. Using that, I set the layout for the entire piece and lock all the systems. Then I go back and respace the music with Lyrics turned off. Since the system breaks were locked for the wider measures, it tends to be a pretty good match for what I'll want. Then when I go through the whole piece to tweak the spacing, I adjust measure widths individually as needed. It sounds tedious, and to a certain extent it is, but I've yet to find any automatic algorithm that even comes close to making really good lyric spacing. I just think of it as part of the job for any vocal music that needs to be high-quality. With practice, you get used to knowing what sort of patterns to watch for and a lot of it becomes second-nature. Some vocal music is easier than others. What's worst is when the ratio of syllable density to note density varies a lot throughout the piece. Another more localized technique which I occasionally use is to temporarily change the first lyric syllable in a measure to a single letter, then respace the measure (with Lyrics checked), then change the syllable back to what it was. mdl ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note spacing
collegemennonite.org wrote: I am engraving a choral piece which has some long words (lyrics) and some very short words on the downbeat of various measures. The spacing between the left barline and the first note varies in each measure according to the length of the lyric on the downbeat. Is there some automatic way to have this space be the same in all measures? I always use note spacing in the Mass Edit Tool. I have "lyrics" checked in my default spacing options. I tried unchecking "lyrics" and it does space the first note evenly throughout, however it causes many other lyric collisions. Thanks to anyone who can help! You can use Options/Document Settings/Lyrics to change the alignment of all your syllables to be LEFT which would eliminate that extra space between the barline and the first note. If you don't want them all left-aligned: There's a setting in the lyrics tool to center the syllables or left-align or right-align them. If they're centered, there's going to be more space used up to the left of the first note in each measure. If they're left-aligned the syllable won't use up any extra space to the left of the first note. To adjust individual syllables, once they are in the score, under the Lyrics menu select Adjust Syllable, then click on the note or the syllable you want to adjust. You'll see two handles, one on the syllable and the other on the note to which it is assigned. Click on the handle on the note and the alignment options are now black and selectable, in the Lyrics/Align menu. Choose Left, for each one you want to left align, rather than center. Then respace the music. You'll end up with more space between the first note and the second note in each measure, but the extra space between the barline and the first note will be gone. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Note spacing
I am engraving a choral piece which has some long words (lyrics) and some very short words on the downbeat of various measures. The spacing between the left barline and the first note varies in each measure according to the length of the lyric on the downbeat. Is there some automatic way to have this space be the same in all measures? I always use note spacing in the Mass Edit Tool. I have "lyrics" checked in my default spacing options. I tried unchecking "lyrics" and it does space the first note evenly throughout, however it causes many other lyric collisions. Thanks to anyone who can help! Lee Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
