Re: [Finale] OSSIA BARS
Thank you Christopher! I have happily followed your advice. Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca cel.647-292-4605 From: Finale on behalf of Christopher Smith Sent: December 12, 2018 3:01 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] OSSIA BARS I would never touch the Ossia tool. It is a holdover from an earlier version of the Matrix, and is very difficult to kill. A better way is to add another staff to your part, resize it if you want to, and use the Force Hide and Collapse staff style on it everywhere that you don’t need it. At this this method works consistently in a foreseeable fashion, unlike the Ossia Tool. Christopher > On Wed Dec 12, at WednesdayDec 12 2:58 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel > wrote: > > Fin26. Win10. > > In a string quartet there are occasional two and three bar segments with both > left hand pizz. and arco stuff mixed together and written with stems up and > down – rather difficult to read. > > I have tried to separate the two, placing the pizz. layer into the ossia > bars. It copies everything from the “source” bar. Is it possible to have > different materials in the ossia bar? Also, is it possible to create 2 and > 3-bar long ossias? Is there a better way to accomplish this? > > Thank you for your help! > > Dr.A.S.Weinstangel > > sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca > cel.647-292-4605 > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] OSSIA BARS
I would never touch the Ossia tool. It is a holdover from an earlier version of the Matrix, and is very difficult to kill. A better way is to add another staff to your part, resize it if you want to, and use the Force Hide and Collapse staff style on it everywhere that you don’t need it. At this this method works consistently in a foreseeable fashion, unlike the Ossia Tool. Christopher > On Wed Dec 12, at WednesdayDec 12 2:58 PM, dr.a.s. weinstangel > wrote: > > Fin26. Win10. > > In a string quartet there are occasional two and three bar segments with both > left hand pizz. and arco stuff mixed together and written with stems up and > down – rather difficult to read. > > I have tried to separate the two, placing the pizz. layer into the ossia > bars. It copies everything from the “source” bar. Is it possible to have > different materials in the ossia bar? Also, is it possible to create 2 and > 3-bar long ossias? Is there a better way to accomplish this? > > Thank you for your help! > > Dr.A.S.Weinstangel > > sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca > cel.647-292-4605 > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] OSSIA BARS
Fin26. Win10. In a string quartet there are occasional two and three bar segments with both left hand pizz. and arco stuff mixed together and written with stems up and down – rather difficult to read. I have tried to separate the two, placing the pizz. layer into the ossia bars. It copies everything from the “source” bar. Is it possible to have different materials in the ossia bar? Also, is it possible to create 2 and 3-bar long ossias? Is there a better way to accomplish this? Thank you for your help! Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Ossia problems in 2011
Welcome to the joys of ossia measures. The ossia measure is disappearing because you have attached it to the scratch staff. When you double click to create the ossia measure, make sure that you double click on a "real" staff, one that is not going to be hidden. In the Ossia Measure Designer you can change the source staff, but you cannot change the staff to which the ossia has been attached: once you've double-clicked on a staff, the ossia is attached to this staff for ever. all the best, Michael On 11 Dec 2010, at 08:28, wrote: > I have never done an ossia in Finale before, let alone 2011. I followed > the instructions, adding a "scratch" staff, marking my source measures, etc. > However, in the process to hide the scratch system, it also hid the ossia > itself! Does anyone know how to work around this issue? > > Thanks, > Michael Wittenburg > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Ossia problems in 2011
I have placed the source bars at the end of the piece and pushed them beyond the last page. Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca NEW! cel.647-292-4605 > From: delius...@aol.com > Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2010 02:28:52 -0500 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: [Finale] Ossia problems in 2011 > > I have never done an ossia in Finale before, let alone 2011. I followed > the instructions, adding a "scratch" staff, marking my source measures, etc. > However, in the process to hide the scratch system, it also hid the ossia > itself! Does anyone know how to work around this issue? > > Thanks, > Michael Wittenburg > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia problems in 2011
I have never done an ossia in Finale before, let alone 2011. I followed the instructions, adding a "scratch" staff, marking my source measures, etc. However, in the process to hide the scratch system, it also hid the ossia itself! Does anyone know how to work around this issue? Thanks, Michael Wittenburg ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Ossia bars
Hello all; PC Fin2010. I am working on a piece that uses scordatura in the solo part. An occasional ossia bar will show the performer real pitch. Ossia Tool is not letting me transpose it. Staff Tool can not be used to define it as a transposing part. Selection Tool can not be used to highlight (and then transpose) it. And I could not find any help in the Manual. Any suggestions? Dr.A.S.Weinstangel sasha.weinstan...@utoronto.ca NEW! cel.647-292-4605 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
Try _dragging_ notes in the source measure with _Speedy_. The changes will be reflected in the ossia measure. But you're right, there should be a more direct way of doing this. Being able to drag a note in the ossia measure itself, for instance. Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22.07.2007, at 20:21, shirling & neueweise wrote: As far as I can remember from doing this a long time ago, the spacing in the _original_ measure determines the spacing in the ossia. Or have you already tried that? yes, i dragged the last beat chart point of the source measure far right and nothing changed in the ossia. i finally found a solution, although it isn't optimal. define the measure as a 2/4 measure so that you have the beat chart point for the beat after the figure (duration 1/4) in the original and you can widen or compress the positioning in the ossia measure. set the original measure to "space note evenly across measure" and only enter the notes form the figure, leaving the 2nd quarter empty. seems a bit silly, ther really should be a more intuitive way of doing this... anyways, i got it to work, more or less by accident. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
As far as I can remember from doing this a long time ago, the spacing in the _original_ measure determines the spacing in the ossia. Or have you already tried that? yes, i dragged the last beat chart point of the source measure far right and nothing changed in the ossia. i finally found a solution, although it isn't optimal. define the measure as a 2/4 measure so that you have the beat chart point for the beat after the figure (duration 1/4) in the original and you can widen or compress the positioning in the ossia measure. set the original measure to "space note evenly across measure" and only enter the notes form the figure, leaving the 2nd quarter empty. seems a bit silly, ther really should be a more intuitive way of doing this... anyways, i got it to work, more or less by accident. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
As far as I can remember from doing this a long time ago, the spacing in the _original_ measure determines the spacing in the ossia. Or have you already tried that? Eric Habsburger Verlag Frankfurt (Dr. Fiedler) www.habsburgerverlag.de [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 22.07.2007, at 19:06, shirling & neueweise wrote: what defines the note positioning within an ossia measure? i need to have an ossia as an explanation of how to play grace notes, so added a 1/4 measure at the end of the document, entered the notes and measure-assigned the ossia earlier in the piece. i can't get the ossia spacing to look right. i know i could export/import but that seems silly, when the ossia tool, i would think, really should be able to do this. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] ossia beat chart / note position
what defines the note positioning within an ossia measure? i need to have an ossia as an explanation of how to play grace notes, so added a 1/4 measure at the end of the document, entered the notes and measure-assigned the ossia earlier in the piece. i can't get the ossia spacing to look right. i know i could export/import but that seems silly, when the ossia tool, i would think, really should be able to do this. -- shirling & neueweise ... new music publishers mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia for transposing instrument; also missing slurs
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have set up a clarinet part with chromatic transposition. However, I am having a problem with an ossia bar. At first it showed the music at concert pitch, even though the ossia staff is also defined with chromatic transposition. The only other option I can think of is to set the ossia staff as non-transposing, at the correct written pitch. However, I can foresee problems if I ever need to do this in a more complicated scenario with several parts and different transpositions. Is there a better method? I have a second problem with the ossia bar. My smart shape slurs do not appear in the ossia measure. How do I get them to appear, since the rhythm of the bar in question is a lot simpler than the original? My advice about ossia bars is not to use the Finale ossia feature but instead to add a second staff to the score, optimize it out for all the systems except where it's needed, then apply staff styles before and after the ossia, if necessary, to make those measures invisible. That way you've got a normal staff working in a normal way, doing normal things with transposition and smart shapes, and don't have to mess with the buggy Ossia function of Finale. How many versions has it been that there have been complaints about the ossia feature? Hmmm, far too many for lots of veteran Finale users to ever think the program will be anywhere near working completely as advertised, or being pretty much bug-free. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia for transposing instrument; also missing slurs
I have set up a clarinet part with chromatic transposition. However, I am having a problem with an ossia bar. At first it showed the music at concert pitch, even though the ossia staff is also defined with chromatic transposition. The only other option I can think of is to set the ossia staff as non-transposing, at the correct written pitch. However, I can foresee problems if I ever need to do this in a more complicated scenario with several parts and different transpositions. Is there a better method? I have a second problem with the ossia bar. My smart shape slurs do not appear in the ossia measure. How do I get them to appear, since the rhythm of the bar in question is a lot simpler than the original? Regards, Michael Lawlor mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Ossia question : how to create a dashed line to connectto a measure underneath
If there's a good reason to want to do it with actual barlines, it can be achieved but not by using the ossia tool. Create a new (normal) staff. Enter the notes in the relevant bar. Create a staff group incorporating this new staff and the staff to which it refers, with 'draw barline = through staves' and dashed barline selected. Hide all the other bars in the new staff (select them with staff tool, press H). Select all the other bars in the original staff, and change measure attributes to show normal barlines, checking 'override group barlines'. That's the least convoluted way I can see to do it, anyway (I've never used ossias to any great extent, actually) > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dhbailey > Sent: 06 June 2006 20:51 > To: finale@shsu.edu > Subject: Re: [Finale] Ossia question : how to create a dashed > line to connectto a measure underneath > > > Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > > I am trying to create an ossia measure that give's an alternative > > reading of a manuscript. > > I have that part down pat. The ossia measure is above the > measure where > > it needs to be. > > It looks fine, but the ossia is just out there floating > above the measure. > > And I've seen a score where there are dashed lines that > extend down from > > the ossia on both ends, down to the measure > > to "connect" it visusally. > > > > It was suggested to that I create a bar group to connect an ossia > > measure to the measure underneath it. > > One issue I have is I can't find the staff number for the > ossia, I'm not > > even sure it has one. > > > > Any help from the list is greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you so much, > > > > Why mess with barlines -- the SmartShapes tool already has a > dotted line > -- use that. > > -- > David H. Bailey > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia question : how to create a dashed line to connect to a measure underneath
On 6/6/06, dhbailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kim Patrick Clow wrote: > I am trying to create an ossia measure that give's an alternative > reading of a manuscript. > I have that part down pat. The ossia measure is above the measure where > it needs to be. > It looks fine, but the ossia is just out there floating above the measure. > And I've seen a score where there are dashed lines that extend down from > the ossia on both ends, down to the measure > to "connect" it visusally. > > It was suggested to that I create a bar group to connect an ossia > measure to the measure underneath it. > One issue I have is I can't find the staff number for the ossia, I'm not > even sure it has one. > > Any help from the list is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you so much, > Why mess with barlines -- the SmartShapes tool already has a dotted line -- use that. If you were hoping to avoid losing proper positioning if layout changes, you could also make yourself a shape expression and then measure attach it to center over the left or right barline. That way it would always move with your barlines/measures/layout/etc... I agree that fussing with groups and all that stuff is probably not worth it for the occasional barline. That would probably work had you set up a separate staff and optimized/hidden the unneeded sections away, but since you are using ossia, I don't think that's the way to go. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia question : how to create a dashed line to connect to a measure underneath
Kim Patrick Clow wrote: I am trying to create an ossia measure that give's an alternative reading of a manuscript. I have that part down pat. The ossia measure is above the measure where it needs to be. It looks fine, but the ossia is just out there floating above the measure. And I've seen a score where there are dashed lines that extend down from the ossia on both ends, down to the measure to "connect" it visusally. It was suggested to that I create a bar group to connect an ossia measure to the measure underneath it. One issue I have is I can't find the staff number for the ossia, I'm not even sure it has one. Any help from the list is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much, Why mess with barlines -- the SmartShapes tool already has a dotted line -- use that. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia question : how to create a dashed line to connect to a measure underneath
I am trying to create an ossia measure that give's an alternative reading of a manuscript. I have that part down pat. The ossia measure is above the measure where it needs to be. It looks fine, but the ossia is just out there floating above the measure. And I've seen a score where there are dashed lines that extend down from the ossia on both ends, down to the measure to "connect" it visusally. It was suggested to that I create a bar group to connect an ossia measure to the measure underneath it. One issue I have is I can't find the staff number for the ossia, I'm not even sure it has one. Any help from the list is greatly appreciated. Thank you so much, Kim Patrick Clow"There's really only two types of music: good and bad." ~ Rossini ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] ossia and slurs
TY, Dennis- So I'm assuming the only decent workaround is use the scratch score, hiding all unused measures, and then drag the staff to the right location,reduce, etc. after I've optimized. What a crock! I can imagine how frustrating this would be if there were many ossias to deal with (as in much of Litszt's works). As it is, I have only one, thank goodness, and no lyric to deal with. Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) www.harrockhall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >I have an ossia measure which refuses to carry the slurs found in the source > >measure. > >Is this the expected behaviour?! > Yep, this is indeed a feature of ossias. Makes them just about useless... ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] ossia and slurs
Maybe I'm missing something obvious. I have an ossia measure which refuses to carry the slurs found in the source measure. Is this the expected behaviour?! Thanks for any insights. Cecil Rigby [EMAIL PROTECTED] (personal) www.harrockhall.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia (mis)behaviour
I would not use the ossia tool if I were you... Instead add another staff and use staff styles to hide it. > I'm struggling with two ossia measures, both attached to the same measure in > the score. They have grace notes, ties, lyrics and smart shapes (slurs). > Am I correct in noticing that: > 1) Smart shapes are not copied into the ossia measures (my slurs are missing > ...?!). > 2) Ties are not copied into the ossia measures (my ties are missing ...?!). > 3) Ossia measures are not taken into account when calculating music spacing > (grace notes and lyrics in the ossia measures are not spaced correctly, they > don't even follow the > spacing of the real measure ...?!). > > It's my first serious attempt at using ossia measures, so I'm sure it's me, > but still, I cannot be doing _that_ much wrong to get such a buggy result? > > WinFin2K6 > > David - on the digest, so anwers might take a while > > > > > > * > David van Ooijen > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ > * > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia (mis)behaviour
I'm struggling with two ossia measures, both attached to the same measure in the score. They have grace notes, ties, lyrics and smart shapes (slurs). Am I correct in noticing that: 1) Smart shapes are not copied into the ossia measures (my slurs are missing ...?!). 2) Ties are not copied into the ossia measures (my ties are missing ...?!). 3) Ossia measures are not taken into account when calculating music spacing (grace notes and lyrics in the ossia measures are not spaced correctly, they don't even follow the spacing of the real measure ...?!). It's my first serious attempt at using ossia measures, so I'm sure it's me, but still, I cannot be doing _that_ much wrong to get such a buggy result? WinFin2K6 David - on the digest, so anwers might take a while * David van Ooijen Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Http://home.planet.nl/~d.v.ooijen/ * ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Ah, thanks. Dean On Oct 24, 2005, at 1:28 PM, Karen wrote: Hi Dean, Here ya go... I do this as a stemless grace note "chord" if you will. I have a text expression, two brackets, that I then add as a note attached expression. -K ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Hi Dean, Here ya go... I do this as a stemless grace note "chord" if you will. I have a text expression, two brackets, that I then add as a note attached expression. -K ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Hmmm ... David ... didn't think about that ... thanks. Dean On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:26 AM, dhbailey wrote: Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? I just list the pitches from highest to lowest down the edge of the staff (using the staff name but not the abbreviation, which remains Timp.). When I want changes I use a text block to say something like "Change G to A." I've never had a problem with this setup. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Yeah, the ossia tool with a scratch staff seems to be the easiest to manage. Thanks, Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Carolyn Bremer wrote: Two options for this: 1) Ossia tool as mentioned 2) A new (additional) first bar in the timpani part. Set the next bar (the first real bar of music) to the correct measure number, and start a new staff system, then reduce the right hand margin of the first line accordingly. I prefer to use the ossia tool, using a "page attached" measure. It takes fewer steps. -Carolyn On 10/23/05, Karen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dean, I do this as a stemless grace note "chord" if you will. I have a text expression, two brackets, that I then add as a note attached expression. Karen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Karen ... did you have something to say here? My message window was blank. Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 3:58 PM, Karen wrote: ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? I just list the pitches from highest to lowest down the edge of the staff (using the staff name but not the abbreviation, which remains Timp.). When I want changes I use a text block to say something like "Change G to A." I've never had a problem with this setup. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? This is not too different from the "bells used" part of a handbell score; you might check the handbell template, and see how it is handled there. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Two options for this: 1) Ossia tool as mentioned 2) A new (additional) first bar in the timpani part. Set the next bar (the first real bar of music) to the correct measure number, and start a new staff system, then reduce the right hand margin of the first line accordingly. I prefer to use the ossia tool, using a "page attached" measure. It takes fewer steps. -Carolyn On 10/23/05, Karen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Dean, > > I do this as a stemless grace note "chord" if you will. I have a > text expression, two brackets, that I then add as a note attached > expression. > > Karen > > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Thanks. I'll chew on this for a bit. Dean On Oct 23, 2005, at 3:04 PM, Owain Sutton wrote: Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? I think that's called an incipit. This might be in the Finale manual (search under the term) or Jari Williamsson's Finale Tips site explains it, too, I think I remember seeing. I have never used one, so I won't venture a methodical description. I suspect using the Ossia tool is a good option - if you just want noteheads, apply an independent time signature via staff styles, with a time sig of something like 5/1, enter semibreves for the notes needed, and change them to whichever noteheads you want. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
Christopher Smith wrote: On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? I think that's called an incipit. This might be in the Finale manual (search under the term) or Jari Williamsson's Finale Tips site explains it, too, I think I remember seeing. I have never used one, so I won't venture a methodical description. I suspect using the Ossia tool is a good option - if you just want noteheads, apply an independent time signature via staff styles, with a time sig of something like 5/1, enter semibreves for the notes needed, and change them to whichever noteheads you want. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia, I think
On Oct 23, 2005, at 5:47 PM, Dean M. Estabrook wrote: What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? I think that's called an incipit. This might be in the Finale manual (search under the term) or Jari Williamsson's Finale Tips site explains it, too, I think I remember seeing. I have never used one, so I won't venture a methodical description. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia, I think
What is the easiest way to create, in a band score, a notational diagram for the Timp part, to let the player know what pitches will be used? I'll check the ossia proceedure, but if I want just note heads, what's the process? Dean ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia frustration FinMac 2005b
At 09:47 PM 9/14/05 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: The ossia tool is completely worthless. Just create another staff, and use staff styles to hide everything except the ossia measures. That's what I do, too. I didn't know this tool was so despised. I just thought I never could get the hang of it. :) Dennis Well, I for one don't despise it. I have used it on occasions when we've needed to insert extra alternative and cued measures into existing show pads and don't want to mess up the layouts and page turns. They take a bit of getting used to but they can be quite versatile if you persist. I try to look upon these little known corners of Finale not for what they can't do - but for what they can.Jonathan___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia frustration FinMac 2005b
At 09:47 PM 9/14/05 -0400, Darcy James Argue wrote: >The ossia tool is completely worthless. Just create another staff, >and use staff styles to hide everything except the ossia measures. That's what I do, too. I didn't know this tool was so despised. I just thought I never could get the hang of it. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia frustration FinMac 2005b
The ossia tool is completely worthless. Just create another staff, and use staff styles to hide everything except the ossia measures. Or graphics, as David suggests. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 14 Sep 2005, at 9:38 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: I think most people use embedded graphics (EPS on Mac and TIF on Windows) for this purpose. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia frustration FinMac 2005b
On 15 Sep 2005 at 9:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have a frustrating problem with the Ossia tool. > > The source measure contains > the following: e e q(tie)e 8th rest e e > > The first four notes are slurred, as are the last two. > > When I create the ossia, it strips the tie and the slurs. > > Is this a bug, or have I missed something? I don't know why the Ossia tool doesn't display the tie and slurs, but that appears to be the way it works. I tested in WinFin 2003 and the 2005 demo, and both omitted the tie and slurs. I have mostly found the Ossia tool useless, and this is one of the reasons why. It's also remarkably obtuse, requiring that you indicate the source staff by number, even though the only place you can see the staff numbers are in staves with no staff name defined or by using the Staff Usage dialog, which does not inidicate the name of the staves with names. This is the kind of thing that drives people to use Sibelius, because it's a completely unnecessary complication of UI -- you should be able to simply point and click at the measure you want as the source for the Ossia. And that it doesn't actually include essential musical elements like ties and slurs shows that it just wasn't designed well, seems to me. Why would you want the Ossia tool to not display everything in the musical text of the source measure? It's obvious why you might not display key signatures or time signatures or bar lines, because those are not the musical content and can easily be inferred from context. But the other things just don't make sense to be omitted, though the *option* to omit them might be nice (as you have an option to omit expressions, for instance). I suspect that this is one of those neglected tools that has always been so badly designed that everyone gives up on it, and MakeMusic never hears any requests for fixing it, since it's so useless that nobody ever wants to bother to ask them to make it work right. I think most people use embedded graphics (EPS on Mac and TIF on Windows) for this purpose. Yes, no, maybe? -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia frustration FinMac 2005b
Hello List Folk, I have a frustrating problem with the Ossia tool. The source measure contains the following: e e q(tie)e 8th rest e e The first four notes are slurred, as are the last two. When I create the ossia, it strips the tie and the slurs. Is this a bug, or have I missed something? TIA, Stephen -- ars est longa, vita brevis Stephen Cronin's home page: http://www.stephen.cronin.name ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit: I think there is a way to delete or hide measures on one staff and not the other but I'm not sure how to do thisanyone? Staff styles, Hide staff. Dennis Of course!! Never thought to set up a staff style just to hide part of a staff! That was the thing I was missing to make my faux ossias exactly the way I wanted them to :-) I'm thrilled! Thanks much Dennis! -K -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
Has anyone got a works-every-time, step-by-step, foolproof ossia system (including what *not* to do) that they could share? Because they are so frustrating for me to work with, sometimes I just give up and use staff styles to create ossias, and deal with spacing issues later. I gave up on the ossia tool altogether and my hat is off to those on the list that have made it work!! :-) I'm not sure this is the best way to handle ossias but I create a second staff (usually above my "main" staff) and create a group with my ossia staff and main staff so I can bracket them if I want. I then shrink the ossia staff to 75-80%. Then optimize it out where I don't need it. I think there is a way to delete or hide measures on one staff and not the other but I'm not sure how to do thisanyone? -K -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
I couldn't get staff styles to display the clef just as I wanted, that's why I superimposed... Johannes Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 05:04 PM 10/22/04 +0200, you wrote: since ossias are still single measures only Holey moley, no wonder why I always fight with this feature! In 12 years of using this software, I never realized that! I used graphics, too, and these days a special reduced staff with blank measures except where the ossia needs to be. Thanks for that ... now if only we can have curved staff lines. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
At 05:04 PM 10/22/04 +0200, you wrote: >since ossias are still single measures only Holey moley, no wonder why I always fight with this feature! In 12 years of using this software, I never realized that! I used graphics, too, and these days a special reduced staff with blank measures except where the ossia needs to be. Thanks for that ... now if only we can have curved staff lines. :) Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
I agree that the ossia tool doesn't do this particularly elegantly, but we have to remember that the ossia tool actually dates from a very early revision of Finale. It has been barely changed since, and still has the same short comings as then. I actually quite often superimpose an empty ossia measure with an EPS graphic, since ossias are still single measures only, and I often need several measures. Johannes d. collins wrote: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz écrit: Has anyone got a works-every-time, step-by-step, foolproof ossia system (including what *not* to do) that they could share? Because they are so frustrating for me to work with, sometimes I just give up and use staff styles to create ossias, and deal with spacing issues later. One thing that I can't explain is why on earth one should have to add a hidden staff as source for the ossia. Why doesn't the ossia tool create an empty measure that one could fill in, rather than a copy of the source measure? The very definition of the ossia is that it's a variant, so it makes no sense at all to have the same music as in the source. The one mistake to avoid, though, seems to be attaching the ossia to the source staff, because when you do hide the source staff, the ossia gets hidden with it. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
At 08:42 AM 10/22/04 +0200, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >Isn't this how it is supposed to work? >Johannes > >Gerry Kirk wrote: >> I have created several Ossia measures. When I change notation in the >> "scratch staff," the notes also change in the Ossia measure. What am I >> doing wrong? I can't find a "mirror" solution in the on-line help manual. Ossia has been hit-or-miss for me for years. Sometimes it seems to work, sometimes, the ossias move around or disappear entirely. Has anyone got a works-every-time, step-by-step, foolproof ossia system (including what *not* to do) that they could share? Because they are so frustrating for me to work with, sometimes I just give up and use staff styles to create ossias, and deal with spacing issues later. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
Hello, The same happens to me. The notes in the ossia measure mantain the same intervalic relation (diatonically) than the original, but change the notes. Roger -- Gerry Kirk<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have created several Ossia measures. When I change > notation in the > "scratch staff," the notes also change in the Ossia measure. > What am I > doing wrong? I can't find a "mirror" solution in the on-line > help > manual. > > ___ > Finale mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Ossia
Isn't this how it is supposed to work? Johannes Gerry Kirk wrote: I have created several Ossia measures. When I change notation in the "scratch staff," the notes also change in the Ossia measure. What am I doing wrong? I can't find a "mirror" solution in the on-line help manual. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Ossia
I have created several Ossia measures. When I change notation in the "scratch staff," the notes also change in the Ossia measure. What am I doing wrong? I can't find a "mirror" solution in the on-line help manual. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
