Re: [Finale] Page margins
You can realise it: either if you like the method inserting a blank page, but thereafter you have to go to Page Layout Redefine pages all pages and delete the blank page; or -and that's what I'm doing yet for years- is go to Options Page Format Score and switch the numbers from right and left page margins. Save those settings in a library (Page Format) and load them every time as you need them. I'm sure Finale doesn't regognize page numbers…! Hope this helps, Hans = On 06 feb 2007, at 08:08, dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: I believe you also have to change the page numbers to make sure that the page which should appear on the right is thought of by Finale as an odd-numbered page. Thanks David. But this is what I started by doing, and it doesn't seem to work. I have a first piece on pages 1-3. Then I number the second piece starts so it starts on page 4. But the margins are inverted. So I add a blank page, and change the numbering again, so the first page of music remains page 4, and this still get the margins right. What am I doing wrong? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page margins (add.)
In addition I have to go deeper: Finale is considering each first page as being on the right side, even when you start numbering at #2, 4, and so on. That's why you should play with the page layout settings. Furthermore you have to redefine all pages after switching the numbers in the settings or load the library as I suggested. Any optimizing that you've applied before will thereby be lost. Regards, HS = You will excuse me for any typo's due to a visual handicap. Begin forwarded message: From: Hans Swinnen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 06 februari 2007 10:03:57 GMT+01:00 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Page margins Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu You can realise it: either if you like the method inserting a blank page, but thereafter you have to go to Page Layout Redefine pages all pages and delete the blank page; or -and that's what I'm doing yet for years- is go to Options Page Format Score and switch the numbers from right and left page margins. Save those settings in a library (Page Format) and load them every time as you need them. I'm sure Finale doesn't regognize page numbers…! Hope this helps, Hans = On 06 feb 2007, at 08:08, dc wrote: dhbailey écrit: I believe you also have to change the page numbers to make sure that the page which should appear on the right is thought of by Finale as an odd-numbered page. Thanks David. But this is what I started by doing, and it doesn't seem to work. I have a first piece on pages 1-3. Then I number the second piece starts so it starts on page 4. But the margins are inverted. So I add a blank page, and change the numbering again, so the first page of music remains page 4, and this still get the margins right. What am I doing wrong? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page margins
Friends, Where Hans Swinnen wrote, in part: I'm sure Finale doesn't regognize page numbers…! This is not consistent with my experience, which is that Finale is set so that the first page in a file defaults to a right hand side page 1. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page margins
I've had a few issues with the page numbers myself, for example, my editor wanted the first violin part of a sinfonia to have the first movement which fit on two pages as a spread. Meaning pages 2, and 3. Inserting a blank page at the beginning and using a page range just didn't work. I tried everything to get the numbers to work. The page range doesn't accept a zero as a starting point for some reason. My solution? I just used text blocks and numbered the pages by hand. Thanks Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page margins
Noel Stoutenburg wrote: Friends, Where Hans Swinnen wrote, in part: I'm sure Finale doesn't regognize page numbers…! This is not consistent with my experience, which is that Finale is set so that the first page in a file defaults to a right hand side page 1. I think what Hans was saying was that it doesn't matter what page number we call any of the pages, Finale will always count them from the start of the file and print them right/left/right/left. So the odd pages of the file (even if we assign even page numbers to them) will print using the right-page settings. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page margins
On 2/5/07, dc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a certain number of files I want to print out together in a single PDF. The right and left page margins are different. So when a piece starts on a left page instead of a right page, I added a blank page to make the first page of music a right page. But this trick doesn't seem to work. Why not? The first page of music keeps it's left page margins. Dennis I've had to do this. I think you have may have to renumber the pages, so make sure that the first page is indeed marked in the Finale file as a odd numbered page; and make sure the page layout has the right margins for odd versus even numbered pages. Hope this helps! Kim Patrick Clow ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page margins
dc wrote: I have a certain number of files I want to print out together in a single PDF. The right and left page margins are different. So when a piece starts on a left page instead of a right page, I added a blank page to make the first page of music a right page. But this trick doesn't seem to work. Why not? The first page of music keeps it's left page margins. Dennis I believe you also have to change the page numbers to make sure that the page which should appear on the right is thought of by Finale as an odd-numbered page. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Margins printing question
If you have at least Fin2k4c you can print booklets very easily using FinaleScript. Johannes Noel Stoutenburg wrote: I routinely do this, though with another type of printer. From the settings button on the print dialog, change the printer orientation from landscape to portrait, and select the 2-up radio button. I use this method, too, for printing booklets, but then it is necessary to input the page order in the page ranges bar at the bottom of the page. -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Page Margins printing question
I'm using Finale Mac 2004, and there's something I've never been able to = figure out, over several generations of use. When I set the page margins = in a typical piece of software, nothing gets printed by the software = outside of those margins. With Finale, the left page margin in page = layout runs just along the left side of any system that touches the = margin, but to the right of any piano braces. I can set the page margin, = but (e.g.) names of instruments or piano braces might print, even if = they are outside of the page margin. Can anyone describe the relationship in Finale between the page margins = set in the page layout tool, and the page margins set in page setup? = Many thanks in advance. Geoff Whittall ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Margins printing question
At 01:17 PM 01/13/2005, Geoffrey Whittall wrote: I'm using Finale Mac 2004, and there's something I've never been able to = figure out, over several generations of use. When I set the page margins = in a typical piece of software, nothing gets printed by the software = outside of those margins. With Finale, the left page margin in page = layout runs just along the left side of any system that touches the = margin, but to the right of any piano braces. I can set the page margin, = but (e.g.) names of instruments or piano braces might print, even if = they are outside of the page margin. Yes, this is all true. The page margins define the left and right ends of a system on the page. In addition to braces or instrument names, you might have measure numbers which print to the left of the page margin, if they are defined with a negative horizontal offset. It's also true that this runs somewhat counter to many people's expectations. Can anyone describe the relationship in Finale between the page margins = set in the page layout tool, and the page margins set in page setup? = On Win, when I go into Page Setup from Finale, the page margin boxes are greyed out. If they are not greyed out on Mac, that's probably a mistake. I don't think Finale looks at those settings. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Margins printing question
I'm using Finale Mac 2004, and there's something I've never been able to = figure out, over several generations of use. When I set the page margins = in a typical piece of software, nothing gets printed by the software = outside of those margins. With Finale, the left page margin in page = layout runs just along the left side of any system that touches the = margin, but to the right of any piano braces. I can set the page margin, = but (e.g.) names of instruments or piano braces might print, even if = they are outside of the page margin. Can anyone describe the relationship in Finale between the page margins = set in the page layout tool, and the page margins set in page setup? = Many thanks in advance. Geoff Whittall The page margin is not a printing margin, but a layout margin, defining, as you have observed, the default l/r/top/bottom positions of the systems. The printing margin is related to Finale's page *size* settings, not the page *margin.* On a Mac, the printing margin is determined partly by Page Setup and partly by whatever printer you have. If you select, e.g., US Letter (small) in Page Setup/Page Size, your printer will not print anything less than 1/2 from the edge of the paper, regardless of what you've done in Finale's layout window. Generally, you want the page size in Page Setup to be the same as the page size in the Finale layout window, but there are times when it is useful to have them different. For example, if you want to print an extracted part as folded double sheets, you should set the Finale page size to US Letter (or A4), portrait orientation, but set the Page Setup/Page Size to Tabloid/Ledger/11X17 (or A3), landscape orientation, and choose 2-up when printing. This will result in two Finale pages being printed side-by-side on each large sheet of paper. -- Not to confuse things, but I feel the need to comment on Finale's *system* margins. As noted above, the default l/r position of systems is defined by the page margins. The l/r system margins should normally be set at zero, and changed only for individual systems (such as the indented system at the beginning of a mvt.) that do not for whatever reason follow the default. From some of the files that are sent me, I realize that many users don't understand this, and set the page margin where the brackets or staff names go, but this just creates unnecessary layout difficulties. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Page Margins printing question
Thank you Andrew for that insight into printing relationship with page layout. I had never understood why page orientation in Finale is not transferred to printer. That is, printer defaults to portrait even if Finale is to Landscape. Now I understand the logic! Related question- I do a lot of A5 printing (Marching band, carol books, hymn tunes etc) and, unless I feed paper twice, I waste half an A4 sheet on each print. I use a very basic, (but great result) home office printer, one tray (A4) FS3500 Kyocera Laser-. Can I ask it to print two A5 (2 up?)on each sheet? If so- how? Cheers Keith in Hot OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Stiller Sent: Friday, 14 January 2005 7:05 AM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Page Margins printing question I'm using Finale Mac 2004, and there's something I've never been able to = figure out, over several generations of use. When I set the page margins = in a typical piece of software, nothing gets printed by the software = outside of those margins. With Finale, the left page margin in page = layout runs just along the left side of any system that touches the = margin, but to the right of any piano braces. I can set the page margin, = but (e.g.) names of instruments or piano braces might print, even if = they are outside of the page margin. Can anyone describe the relationship in Finale between the page margins = set in the page layout tool, and the page margins set in page setup? = Many thanks in advance. Geoff Whittall The page margin is not a printing margin, but a layout margin, defining, as you have observed, the default l/r/top/bottom positions of the systems. The printing margin is related to Finale's page *size* settings, not the page *margin.* On a Mac, the printing margin is determined partly by Page Setup and partly by whatever printer you have. If you select, e.g., US Letter (small) in Page Setup/Page Size, your printer will not print anything less than 1/2 from the edge of the paper, regardless of what you've done in Finale's layout window. Generally, you want the page size in Page Setup to be the same as the page size in the Finale layout window, but there are times when it is useful to have them different. For example, if you want to print an extracted part as folded double sheets, you should set the Finale page size to US Letter (or A4), portrait orientation, but set the Page Setup/Page Size to Tabloid/Ledger/11X17 (or A3), landscape orientation, and choose 2-up when printing. This will result in two Finale pages being printed side-by-side on each large sheet of paper. -- Not to confuse things, but I feel the need to comment on Finale's *system* margins. As noted above, the default l/r position of systems is defined by the page margins. The l/r system margins should normally be set at zero, and changed only for individual systems (such as the indented system at the beginning of a mvt.) that do not for whatever reason follow the default. From some of the files that are sent me, I realize that many users don't understand this, and set the page margin where the brackets or staff names go, but this just creates unnecessary layout difficulties. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 10/01/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 10/01/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page Margins printing question
Keith Helgesen wrote: I do a lot of A5 printing (Marching band, carol books, hymn tunes etc) and, unless I feed paper twice, I waste half an A4 sheet on each print. I use a very basic, (but great result) home office printer, one tray (A4) FS3500 Kyocera Laser-. Can I ask it to print two A5 (2 up?)on each sheet? I routinely do this, though with another type of printer. From the settings button on the print dialog, change the printer orientation from landscape to portrait, and select the 2-up radio button. I use this method, too, for printing booklets, but then it is necessary to input the page order in the page ranges bar at the bottom of the page. ns ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
