Re: [Finale] Plugin question
on 11/15/04 10:38 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why the problem with using a staff style to force the measure no? I routinely do this with optimized scores where the measure number is required at the top of every section (i.e., not just top staff and Vln. I). Assuming a handful means fewer than 50 staves, it shouldn't take you long at all to fix this issue using staff styles. It has to do with the way the strings staves are set up, via the client's wishes, in order to accommodate complex string divisi. There are a minimum of 4 staves each for Violin 1,2, Viola, Celli, and Bass, as well as 5 staves for Viola d'gambi. In trying to sort out this measure number dilemma, I discovered that sometimes I entered notes onto single staves on the 2nd or 3rd stave rather than the first of each group. It's not an issue once everything is optimized, but it was an issue when trying to fix the measure numbers. While I could go thru the score and fix it, I simply don't have the time. So I'm opting to leave it alone or possibly go Javier's route with a ghost staff if the client presses the issue. But given the looming deadlines, I don't think he'll press it. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Why is the word abbreviation so long? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi JD, I understand the problem -- it's a problem I run into all the time. I just think you are vastly overestimating the time it would take to fix it, even with a very long score such as yours. It takes seconds to highlight the top string staff and press the metatool key you've assigned to Show Measure Numbers. I doubt it would take you more than half an hour to go through even a 270-page score and apply the style where necessary. It would take even less time if you already know (or even have a rough idea) which pages require this. Not that I'm saying you necessarily *should* do this -- if the client doesn't care, he doesn't care. I'm just saying, for future reference, this task isn't likely to take an unreasonable amount of time. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 16 Nov 2004, at 09:55 AM, JD wrote: on 11/15/04 10:38 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why the problem with using a staff style to force the measure no? I routinely do this with optimized scores where the measure number is required at the top of every section (i.e., not just top staff and Vln. I). Assuming a handful means fewer than 50 staves, it shouldn't take you long at all to fix this issue using staff styles. It has to do with the way the strings staves are set up, via the client's wishes, in order to accommodate complex string divisi. There are a minimum of 4 staves each for Violin 1,2, Viola, Celli, and Bass, as well as 5 staves for Viola d'gambi. In trying to sort out this measure number dilemma, I discovered that sometimes I entered notes onto single staves on the 2nd or 3rd stave rather than the first of each group. It's not an issue once everything is optimized, but it was an issue when trying to fix the measure numbers. While I could go thru the score and fix it, I simply don't have the time. So I'm opting to leave it alone or possibly go Javier's route with a ghost staff if the client presses the issue. But given the looming deadlines, I don't think he'll press it. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Why is the word abbreviation so long? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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JD wrote: on 11/14/04 8:11 PM, Noel Stoutenburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set up regions for the numbers to always display on the top staff and with the staff tool to display on the Vln. 1 staff. So far so good. There are points in the score where Vln. 1 are out for a system, where Vln. 2 or Violas are playing and I want the numbers to display there. I'm curious, as to whether you've tried to define a staff style to show numbers, and applied it to the top staves where the Vln. 1 is tacet. Said staff style would look just like the staff attributes for the appropriate staff, except that you would also select the item, show measure numbers No. In fact, I tried remedying this problem via staff styles and it too much of a kludge. This score is 1631 measures long and I don't want to go the staff style route. I thought there was a way is previous versions to force a measure number to show, regardless of the settings. Maybe I was wrong. You could (and still can) force measure numbers to show in places where they aren't set to show but not on staves for which Measure Numbers have been unchecked in Staff attributes. In other words, if you have measure numbers set to show at the start of each system and you want a particular measure number to show in the middle of a staff, you can simply ctrl-click that measure number. But without a staff style there is not (and has never been) a way to get a measure number to show on staves for which the Measure Numbers is unchecked in the Items To Display column of staff attributes. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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I'm sure Javier meant this to go to the list as well, but it only got sent to me: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:02:12 +, Javier Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a workaround: Create another staff above the violin part. Show zero staff lines and turn off barlines, time signatures, and all the rest except measure numbers. That will give you an invisible ghost staff. Keep this staff un-optimized throughout the full score. It has to work! P.S. This solution is extracted from Workarounds for Finale 1.0 to 2005 by Humperdinck Gretel, 7,654 pages, published by Ton Press Inc. Also: Javier, where might I find this book? It sounds intriguing, but I can't find it anywhere online. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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on 11/14/04 9:21 PM, Noel Stoutenburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try to sell the client, that based on the new book on notation by Akareshnikovitzky and Herzenvortragengruber, _Musical Notation for All Times and in All Styles_, that the preferred notational style for his music at this time calls for displaying the measure number only when the Vln1 part is present. Interestingly enough, I decided this on my own. Over the 270 pages that this score spans, there are only a handful of places where the situation arises. I'm leaving it alone, letting the conductor adjust. I have to get going on parts and then the same situation for the 2nd act score. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** On the other hand... you have different fingers. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hey, I'd email you the PDF's but I'm on dial up. RBH Javier Ruiz wrote: This book is only available to people who suffered the drunk ties problem of Finale 2.0 when you printed in a dot matrix printer. In any case due to the weight of the book the shipping costs are outrageous. If you google for the book, you can search also for the co-writer, Hansel. Oops, I gotta eat my dinner. Saludos, Javier. P.S. This solution is extracted from Workarounds for Finale 1.0 to 2005 by Humperdinck Gretel, 7,654 pages, published by Ton Press Inc. Also: Javier, where might I find this book? It sounds intriguing, but I can't find it anywhere online. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Brad Beyenhof wrote: I'm sure Javier meant this to go to the list as well, but it only got sent to me: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:02:12 +, Javier Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a workaround: Create another staff above the violin part. Show zero staff lines and turn off barlines, time signatures, and all the rest except measure numbers. That will give you an invisible ghost staff. Keep this staff un-optimized throughout the full score. It has to work! P.S. This solution is extracted from Workarounds for Finale 1.0 to 2005 by Humperdinck Gretel, 7,654 pages, published by Ton Press Inc. Also: Javier, where might I find this book? It sounds intriguing, but I can't find it anywhere online. It's in most bookstores, on the same shelf with 10,000 Parental Rules: A Handy Reference Book to Show Your Children Why They Can't Do That by Kwicher Bichin and Wadda Payne. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:45:19 -0500, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad Beyenhof wrote: On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:02:12 +, Javier Ruiz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a workaround: Create another staff above the violin part. Show zero staff lines and turn off barlines, time signatures, and all the rest except measure numbers. That will give you an invisible ghost staff. Keep this staff un-optimized throughout the full score. It has to work! P.S. This solution is extracted from Workarounds for Finale 1.0 to 2005 by Humperdinck Gretel, 7,654 pages, published by Ton Press Inc. Also: Javier, where might I find this book? It sounds intriguing, but I can't find it anywhere online. It's in most bookstores, on the same shelf with 10,000 Parental Rules: A Handy Reference Book to Show Your Children Why They Can't Do That by Kwicher Bichin and Wadda Payne. OK, I get it... I guess Javier's fictional book wasn't quite outlandish enough for me to grasp the humor. Either that or I just reallyreallyreally wanted it to actually exist... :) -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin question
On Monday, November 15, 2004, at 11:25 AM, JD wrote: on 11/14/04 9:21 PM, Noel Stoutenburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try to sell the client, that based on the new book on notation by Akareshnikovitzky and Herzenvortragengruber, _Musical Notation for All Times and in All Styles_, that the preferred notational style for his music at this time calls for displaying the measure number only when the Vln1 part is present. Interestingly enough, I decided this on my own. Over the 270 pages that this score spans, there are only a handful of places where the situation arises. I'm leaving it alone, letting the conductor adjust. I have to get going on parts and then the same situation for the 2nd act score. I know you have a solution already, but isn't it common to leave string parts UN-optimised? That is, even when empty, the first violin staff could still be present. At least, you could optimise the others, but set the violin staff to never optimise out. Just a thought, gleaned from the Akareshnikovitsky and Herzenvortragengruber book , which I am perusing now as bedtime reading. It seems to be uncommonly effective at putting me to sleep! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Javier, I googled the author, but I can only find a treatise by the co-author - Structural Properties of Gingerbread in Residential Construction which I don't think is what I am looking for. There was also a link to Jonathan Swift's A Modest Proposal in text form, which I didn't quite understand, and some recipes for a dish called long pig which sounded delicious! But what is the connection? Why are these things linked? Serendiptitiously yours, Christopher On Monday, November 15, 2004, at 02:17 PM, Javier Ruiz wrote: This book is only available to people who suffered the drunk ties problem of Finale 2.0 when you printed in a dot matrix printer. In any case due to the weight of the book the shipping costs are outrageous. If you google for the book, you can search also for the co-writer, Hansel. Oops, I gotta eat my dinner. Saludos, Javier. P.S. This solution is extracted from Workarounds for Finale 1.0 to 2005 by Humperdinck Gretel, 7,654 pages, published by Ton Press Inc. Also: Javier, where might I find this book? It sounds intriguing, but I can't find it anywhere online. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On 15 Nov 2004, at 11:25 AM, JD wrote: on 11/14/04 9:21 PM, Noel Stoutenburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: try to sell the client, that based on the new book on notation by Akareshnikovitzky and Herzenvortragengruber, _Musical Notation for All Times and in All Styles_, that the preferred notational style for his music at this time calls for displaying the measure number only when the Vln1 part is present. Interestingly enough, I decided this on my own. Over the 270 pages that this score spans, there are only a handful of places where the situation arises. Then why the problem with using a staff style to force the measure no? I routinely do this with optimized scores where the measure number is required at the top of every section (i.e., not just top staff and Vln. I). Assuming a handful means fewer than 50 staves, it shouldn't take you long at all to fix this issue using staff styles. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Plugin question
I'm working on an optimized score and after consulting with the client, we decided we want measure numbers showing on the top staff and the Violin 1 staff thruout the score to aid the conductor. I set up regions for the numbers to always display on the top staff and with the staff tool to display on the Vln. 1 staff. So far so good. There are points in the score where Vln. 1 are out for a system, where Vln. 2 or Violas are playing and I want the numbers to display there. I thought there was a way to force a measure number to display on the measure or system, and indeed, consulting the manual confirms this. I tried Patterson Measure Numbers plugin to create a new region for the selected measures but I cannot get the numbers to show. The Show Numbers command does zip and everything else I've tried is futile. I seem to remember that option-clicking on a measure should work, but it doesn't. Strange. Any suggestions? I'm on FinMac 2K3, OS9.2.2. TIA *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I believe the only time the world beats a path to my door is when I'm in the bathroom. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 18:00:44 -0800, JD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on an optimized score and after consulting with the client, we decided we want measure numbers showing on the top staff and the Violin 1 staff thruout the score to aid the conductor. [snip] Any suggestions? Have Measure Numbers been turned off in the Staff Attributes for that staff? If not, just turn them on, turn off measure numbers manually for every measure in that staff, and then add numbers where appropriate. However, I would recommend that you do this *last* (in the layout stage). If you do this to the file from which you intend to extract parts, the measure numbers will be nonexistent in the extracted Violin II part. -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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JD wrote: I set up regions for the numbers to always display on the top staff and with the staff tool to display on the Vln. 1 staff. So far so good. There are points in the score where Vln. 1 are out for a system, where Vln. 2 or Violas are playing and I want the numbers to display there. I'm curious, as to whether you've tried to define a staff style to show numbers, and applied it to the top staves where the Vln. 1 is tacet. Said staff style would look just like the staff attributes for the appropriate staff, except that you would also select the item, show measure numbers ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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Hi J.D. There is a quick way to set up staff attributes using PluginsScoring and ArrangingGlobal Staff Attributes (Global Staff Attributes may be in a different place in 2003but I think it is still under the plugins menu...) I have gotten a lot of mileage out of this plugin! (I use it to quickly choose which staves to show/hide measure expression on too.) Using Global Staff Attributes go back and choose to show measure numbers on both Vln1 and Vln2 (or Viola) by highlighting just those staves in the list and then checking the measure numbers boxconversely, you can turn measure numbers off in the other staves all at once. Of course you will probably leave always show on top staff checked in edit regions (measure tool). You can then create a new staff style that only has the purpose of hiding measure numbers. (when creating this style keep the settings as usual but uncheck the measure number box.) You can also choose to have the staff style show up in the contextual menu So when you apply the staff style to a given set of measures, the numbers won't show up. You can use the EditSelect region (choose the appropriate staff from the drop down menus) to quickly choose the measures where you want to hide the measure numbers and then apply the new staff style. When you extract the parts, just delete the staff style and measure numbers will show up. Take care, Karen I'm working on an optimized score and after consulting with the client, we decided we want measure numbers showing on the top staff and the Violin 1 staff thruout the score to aid the conductor. I set up regions for the numbers to always display on the top staff and with the staff tool to display on the Vln. 1 staff. So far so good. There are points in the score where Vln. 1 are out for a system, where Vln. 2 or Violas are playing and I want the numbers to display there. I thought there was a way to force a measure number to display on the measure or system, and indeed, consulting the manual confirms this. I tried Patterson Measure Numbers plugin to create a new region for the selected measures but I cannot get the numbers to show. The Show Numbers command does zip and everything else I've tried is futile. I seem to remember that option-clicking on a measure should work, but it doesn't. Strange. Any suggestions? I'm on FinMac 2K3, OS9.2.2. TIA *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I believe the only time the world beats a path to my door is when I'm in the bathroom. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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on 11/14/04 8:11 PM, Noel Stoutenburg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I set up regions for the numbers to always display on the top staff and with the staff tool to display on the Vln. 1 staff. So far so good. There are points in the score where Vln. 1 are out for a system, where Vln. 2 or Violas are playing and I want the numbers to display there. I'm curious, as to whether you've tried to define a staff style to show numbers, and applied it to the top staves where the Vln. 1 is tacet. Said staff style would look just like the staff attributes for the appropriate staff, except that you would also select the item, show measure numbers No. In fact, I tried remedying this problem via staff styles and it too much of a kludge. This score is 1631 measures long and I don't want to go the staff style route. I thought there was a way is previous versions to force a measure number to show, regardless of the settings. Maybe I was wrong. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** If a man says something in the woods and there are no women there, is he still wrong? ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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JD wrote: I thought there was a way is previous versions to force a measure number to show, regardless of the settings. Maybe I was wrong. I don't think you were wrong; there is a way to do this, but only on the real top staff, and if you've optimized that into hiding a couple of systems, I think you're left with a coulple of work-arounds: 1) use an measure attached expression or measure attached text box to apply the numbers to the apparent top staff; 2) use a staff style. 3) try to sell the client, that based on the new book on notation by Akareshnikovitzky and Herzenvortragengruber, _Musical Notation for All Times and in All Styles_, that the preferred notational style for his music at this time calls for displaying the measure number only when the Vln1 part is present. ns ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:21:39 -0600, Noel Stoutenburg wrote: 3) try to sell the client, that based on the new book on notation by Akareshnikovitzky and Herzenvortragengruber, _Musical Notation for All Times and in All Styles_, that the preferred notational style for his music at this time calls for displaying the measure number only when the Vln1 part is present. LOL! Sounds like a great workaround to me... -- Brad Beyenhof [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://augmentedfourth.blogspot.com ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
