Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
On 6/4/06, Darcy James Argue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, cmd-opt-` (the Fin2005 shortcut) *is* reserved by OS X. Cmd-E is a lot easier to reach than cmd-opt-` anyway. I'm glad they made the change, even if I sometimes go for the wrong combo when I forget which version of Finale I'm in. Well, for once I count myself lucky that I started on PC and moved to Mac, because cmd-E made worlds of sense to me. Isn't it amazing how we can think something like cmd-E makes sense to switch between views? We are so entrenched in Finale-land. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
On 6/4/06, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be wonderful for ALL Finale users if there were a list of all the changes, in some sort of alphabetical or logical order, rather than the current oh yes, and I almost forgot, we also did THIS format of the current incomplete list we get with each version. Oh well, we can dream, can't we? Apparently that's all we'll get to do about such things, given MakeMusic's reply to your request. Too many things to possibly list them all? Give me a f#$%ing break! If it's too long to possibly list them all, it would be too long for them to have actually programmed them all! Let me start by saying I completely agree with you. There, now that I have that out of the way... =) I think what happens with MM, and most software developers that do this yearly, buy me cause I have a few new toys and a few more bugs update thing, is that it is such a rush to production, that while they do have a list of what they're working on, it's probably not always clear what is actually going to get finished by production, and that the final list of what makes it in is probably not known to any one person. This is problematic...but more importantly symptomatic of this kind of development. While it may be better business to release a yearly update to rake in the revenue, for the stability and promise of the program, I'd sincerely prefer that MM take their time, work on specific problems that they, (and their dedicated users), want addressed, and release the update when it is stable, ready, and significantly improved. I guess we can dream, David. -Scot -- Scot Hanna-Weir Music Engraver A-R Editions, Inc. Music Educator --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
This matter stems from the same philosophy that provides us half-baked (well, maybe undercooked) yearly upgrades, but it is a separate problem. It doesn't seem to me like the two need to be lumped together. Though it would be best to have a comprehensive list of changes arrive with each upgrade, I would take that information whenever MM has a list sorted out. How difficult would it be to make a read me file available on the website? To my knowledge a complete version history would be a first for MM, Coda, et al. I have personally found out about *very* useful features two to three versions (years!) down the line, from this list as well as from other users that I know and work with. Wouldn't a detailed history of everything changed, fixed, tweaked, etc. since version 2000 be helpful? I don't believe we've ever been offered anything except highlights (also know as selling points and, in some cases, marketing ploys). Don Hart on 6/5/06 9:52 AM, Scot Hanna-Weir at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/4/06, dhbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be wonderful for ALL Finale users if there were a list of all the changes, in some sort of alphabetical or logical order, rather than the current oh yes, and I almost forgot, we also did THIS format of the current incomplete list we get with each version. Oh well, we can dream, can't we? Apparently that's all we'll get to do about such things, given MakeMusic's reply to your request. Too many things to possibly list them all? Give me a f#$%ing break! If it's too long to possibly list them all, it would be too long for them to have actually programmed them all! Let me start by saying I completely agree with you. There, now that I have that out of the way... =) I think what happens with MM, and most software developers that do this yearly, buy me cause I have a few new toys and a few more bugs update thing, is that it is such a rush to production, that while they do have a list of what they're working on, it's probably not always clear what is actually going to get finished by production, and that the final list of what makes it in is probably not known to any one person. This is problematic...but more importantly symptomatic of this kind of development. While it may be better business to release a yearly update to rake in the revenue, for the stability and promise of the program, I'd sincerely prefer that MM take their time, work on specific problems that they, (and their dedicated users), want addressed, and release the update when it is stable, ready, and significantly improved. I guess we can dream, David. -Scot ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
While I'm on a rant, which clever Trevor decided to pop in the "Items to copy" dialogue EVERY time I want to mass mover copy something. (Someone, please tell me there is way out of this annoyance, maybe hidden deep in a program options menu that has a double sub dialogue that they have altered 4 times since v 3.5 and is now also located under the MIDI menu/playback/Gargantuan Personal Pain Instruments/Contact Make Music..etc..etc. menu option, but hey! ikey could get me there in one keystroke ;-)) This never happened in 2005 and before. For years I hounded Make Music to make the mass mover selections 'savable'. Finally in v2006 they did that, but on pain of 2 dialogue boxes to get the same job done! This is a move backwards not forwards. To bypass, just use opt-click to copy -- the most recently used "Items To Copy" list is applied. The dialog only shows up when you use opt-shift-click. - Darcy Ah, ah! At last, pain relief in the form of the option key. Why they can't just put a "Don't show this again" check box in the Items to Move dialogue I'll never figure.Thanks Darcy.Jonathan ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
On 04 Jun 2006, at 3:11 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:While I'm on a rant, which clever Trevor decided to pop in the "Items to copy" dialogue EVERY time I want to mass mover copy something. (Someone, please tell me there is way out of this annoyance, maybe hidden deep in a program options menu that has a double sub dialogue that they have altered 4 times since v 3.5 and is now also located under the MIDI menu/playback/Gargantuan Personal Pain Instruments/Contact Make Music..etc..etc. menu option, but hey! ikey could get me there in one keystroke ;-)) This never happened in 2005 and before. For years I hounded Make Music to make the mass mover selections 'savable'. Finally in v2006 they did that, but on pain of 2 dialogue boxes to get the same job done! This is a move backwards not forwards. To bypass, just use opt-click to copy -- the most recently used "Items To Copy" list is applied. The dialog only shows up when you use opt-shift-click.- Darcy Ah, ah! At last, pain relief in the form of the option key. Why they can't just put a "Don't show this again" check box in the Items to Move dialogue I'll never figure.Well, having the two separate keyboard shortcuts for copying is VERY useful, as you will soon find. Having just the one, with a "Don't show again" checkbox, would not be nearly as effective.For instance, if I want to switch from copying entries and hairpins to just the hairpins, I opt-shift-click for the first copy operation and uncheck the appropriate boxes, and then I just opt-click until I need to copy something other than hairpins.Much better than Fin2005 and earlier, which always required a separate trip to the "Copy Entry Items" *and* "Copy Measure Items" dialogs, for which there were [ahem] no keyboard shortcuts.- Darcy-[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://secretsociety.typepad.comBrooklyn, NY___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
Close, but used to be cmd ~. Maybe on non-US keyboard maps it was cmd . Christopher Are you sure? It was cmd-opt~ on my kbds (French and U.K. layout) with 2005. It was even something else way back many versions before, but my patience has worn too thin to bother finding it. This key stroke was not an OS thing, so it needn't have been changed. Jonathan___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
Actually, cmd-opt-` (the Fin2005 shortcut) *is* reserved by OS X.Cmd-E is a lot easier to reach than cmd-opt-` anyway. I'm glad they made the change, even if I sometimes go for the wrong combo when I forget which version of Finale I'm in. But anyway, if you use QuicKeys or iKey, you can make it whatever you want. - Darcy-[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://secretsociety.typepad.comBrooklyn, NY On 04 Jun 2006, at 3:22 AM, Jonathan Smith wrote:Close, but used to be cmd ~.Maybe on non-US keyboard maps it was cmd .Christopher Are you sure? It was cmd-opt~ on my kbds (French and U.K. layout) with 2005. It was even something else way back many versions before, but my patience has worn too thin to bother finding it. This key stroke was not an OS thing, so it needn't have been changed. Jonathan___Finale mailing listFinale@shsu.eduhttp://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
Jonathan Smith wrote: While I'm on a rant, which clever Trevor decided to pop in the Items to copy dialogue EVERY time I want to mass mover copy something. (Someone, please tell me there is way out of this annoyance, maybe hidden deep in a program options menu that has a double sub dialogue that they have altered 4 times since v 3.5 and is now also located under the MIDI menu/playback/Gargantuan Personal Pain Instruments/Contact Make Music..etc..etc. menu option, but hey! ikey could get me there in one keystroke ;-)) This never happened in 2005 and before. For years I hounded Make Music to make the mass mover selections 'savable'. Finally in v2006 they did that, but on pain of 2 dialogue boxes to get the same job done! This is a move backwards not forwards. To bypass, just use opt-click to copy -- the most recently used Items To Copy list is applied. The dialog only shows up when you use opt-shift-click. - Darcy Ah, ah! At last, pain relief in the form of the option key. Why they can't just put a Don't show this again check box in the Items to Move dialogue I'll never figure. Because often you might want to move different items each time you try to move something. You might just want to moved notes one time, you might just want to move expressions another time. Having two different key combinations so that we can at all times have both possibilities (selecting what to move, or moving what we most recently selected to move) is a good thing. Using what had been the old move what I've told you to move key combination to be the new What items would you like to move this time function is what is stupid. The old behavior should have remained as it is, and a new combination should have been incorporated for the what items would you like to move this time function. Such a usage of long-time behavior to get new results shows a lack of regard for long-time users at the expense of new users for whom it will be easy for them to simply ctrl-click to copy. Of course, new users could just as easily have learned the old ctrl-shift-click behavior, and we could ALL have learned that ctrl-click would bring up the items-to-copy dialog. Oh well, progress. Just gotta keep reading that What's New documentation and pray that it really lists all the new additions and all the changes from previous behavior. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
It hasn't, and apparently won't any time soon, according to mac support. I suggested MM provide a comprehensive list of such things to them a while back and was told there were too many things to possibly list them all. *Someone* has to have that information, don't they? Don't most programs include comprehensive version histories with updates. Maybe it would be a long list, but I would certainly go through it carefully. Is it just me or does this seem extremely inconsiderate of the longtime Finale user? Don Hart on 6/4/06 6:14 AM, dhbailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well, progress. Just gotta keep reading that What's New documentation and pray that it really lists all the new additions and all the changes from previous behavior. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Kbd Commands Shortcuts
Don Hart wrote: It hasn't, and apparently won't any time soon, according to mac support. I suggested MM provide a comprehensive list of such things to them a while back and was told there were too many things to possibly list them all. *Someone* has to have that information, don't they? Don't most programs include comprehensive version histories with updates. Maybe it would be a long list, but I would certainly go through it carefully. Is it just me or does this seem extremely inconsiderate of the longtime Finale user? Don Hart on 6/4/06 6:14 AM, dhbailey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well, progress. Just gotta keep reading that What's New documentation and pray that it really lists all the new additions and all the changes from previous behavior. The developers have a list of what's new in each version. It's not like it's a surprise to them, after all THEY're the ones who programmed the changes. Little programming-elves don't sneak in at night and write new code so that the programmers have no clue what new goodies will appear in the next version. Yes, it's inconsiderate and not just of the longtime Finale user but also of the new Finale user. We all know that in order for documentation to ready for a new release it has to be written at the same time as the code is being developed and often contains inaccuracies, which is why there are READMEFIRST files which outline the discrepancies between the documentation and the actual program. It would be wonderful for ALL Finale users if there were a list of all the changes, in some sort of alphabetical or logical order, rather than the current oh yes, and I almost forgot, we also did THIS format of the current incomplete list we get with each version. Oh well, we can dream, can't we? Apparently that's all we'll get to do about such things, given MakeMusic's reply to your request. Too many things to possibly list them all? Give me a f#$%ing break! If it's too long to possibly list them all, it would be too long for them to have actually programmed them all! -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
