[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING Piano Parts
Thanks Christopher, It worked. Sorry to have to ask the question. It have it written down now, so I won't ask it again. Thanks for being patient with me. All the best, KIM R On Jul 9, 2007, at 10:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:01:38 -0400 From: Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING piano parts To: finale@shsu.edu Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jul 8, 2007, at 3:54 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: I've asked this before, gotten good answers before, also figured this out on my own before, but NOW, with MacFin2007, I can't seem to get it to work using linked parts. The piano part: how can I optimize this part? As we know, the default is "Optimize only when all staves are empty." With Staff Tool>Edit Groups I used to be able to change that (it had to be done before I did a Special Part extraction), but not with Fiin07 linked parts, it won't happen. What's the remedy? All the best, Kim, This is at least the 3rd time I have answered this for you, and I answered it earlier today for another list member. Could you print it up, or write it down somewhere? This is what you have to do. First, REMOVE optimisation from the score if you want to optimise the score, and remove it from the linked parts if you want to optimise the parts, if you have ever applied optimisation. Don't worry, you can put it back afterwards. This means go to the score and remove optimisation. Then go to the piano part and remove optimisation. If you only want to optimise the part and don't care about the score, only remove it from the part, and vice-versa. Second, set the Group Attributes for the Piano in the score to ALLOW optimisation. Do the same in the linked part, as you can have optimisation differently for groups in the score and groups in the parts. If you don't care about the score or part, then leave it alone. Third, apply optimisation where you want it. That means, if you want it in the part, apply it in the part. If you want it in the score, apply it in the score. If you want it both places, apply it both places. If you do any of these steps out of order, the whole procedure will NOT work, and you will have to start over. Remember, you can't change the group attributes on an optimised system (even if the program appears to let you do it), and parts and score can be set differently from each other. If something doesn't work after this, it is possible that the file is corrupted somehow, but I have never seen it in this form. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
I want to thank you all for your suggestions. Karen is one who solved it. I had done Special Part extraction prior to all this, so it seems I had to UNEXTRACT the part, then change the setting under the Group attributes, then EXTRACT again, the optimize. That did it. All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
Hi Kim, If special part extraction is on, you may also need to remove special part extraction first. This will at the same time remove optimization (there will be a warning that pops up telling you that you will lose your optimizationclick O.K.) Then, go to your group attributes and change your setting to "optimize staves normally" as has already been suggested. Next, select both staves on the piano part in scroll view, turn special part extraction back on go back to page view, and then optimize. Best, Karen Kim Richmond wrote: I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). Changing this setting will not work if the staves are already optimized. Try first removing Staff System Optimization, then choose Edit Group Attributes and set "Optimize Staves Normally". Now re-optimize. Best wishes, Michael Cook ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Karen Guthery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ichat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
Kim Richmond wrote: I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). Changing this setting will not work if the staves are already optimized. Try first removing Staff System Optimization, then choose Edit Group Attributes and set "Optimize Staves Normally". Now re-optimize. Best wishes, Michael Cook ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
On Oct 11, 2004, at 2:20 PM, Kim Richmond wrote: If you have already tried optimising, you will have to REMOVE optimisation before the Group Attributes can be changed. Then go back and optimise again. I don't why it works like this. It just does. This little tidbit cost me several hours a year or two ago. Grr. Christopher Sounds like it should work, but doesn't in this case. What am I overlooking? All the best, KIM Richmond You REMOVED optimisation from everything, then changed the Group Attributes to "allow normal optimisation", then optimised? If that didn't work, then send me the file. I'll look at it. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
On Oct 11, 2004, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 08:40:45 -0400 From: Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Finale] OPTIMIZING staff system To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Oct 11, 2004, at 3:44 AM, Kim Richmond wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, KIM Richmond If you have already tried optimising, you will have to REMOVE optimisation before the Group Attributes can be changed. Then go back and optimise again. I don't why it works like this. It just does. This little tidbit cost me several hours a year or two ago. Grr. Christopher Sounds like it should work, but doesn't in this case. What am I overlooking? All the best, KIM Richmond ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OPTIMIZING
On Oct 11, 2004, at 10:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kim Richmond wrote: OK, I've had this problem before, but I can't remember how I solved it. Maybe you guys can help. No matter what I do, the piano part will not optimize into one staff at any point. I have checked in Edit Group Attributes and made sure it is set on Optimize Staves Normally (although after trying to optimize a few times, it reverts back to Only Remove When All Staves Are Empty). I have made there are no entries in the blank staff in the systems I'm trying to optimize. I've checked in the Staff Systems attributes to make sure both staves have Allow Optimization checked. Any ideas? All the best, Do you have any "real" whole rests? These are created when you enter a whole note and backspace to convert to a rest, in Speedy Entry, or simply entered as a rest by clicking in Simple entry. If there are any of these (they look just like the whole rests inserted into empty measures by the program) the staff won't be optimized out. If the staff is supposed to be truly empty, you can simply use mass mover to highlight the measures in question and then clear everything. But if there is anything attached to those specific measures you can't remove that staff from that system. -- No results. I did make very sure there were no entries. All the best, KIM R ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
