[Finale] Slashed grace notes
Dear collective wisdom: Two questions: 1. To slash a flagged grace note is easy. But, how to get slashed beamed grace notes, without having to manually place a slash on each group (and then have it move somewhere else every once in a while)? 2. I would like to place beamed grace notes that precede downbeats into the previous bar. Could this be done globally for given sections of the piece? Thanks for your help, Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergiesmkt=en-caFORM=SERNEP ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
1. It's not possible AFAIK. I've already asked for this in the early ninety's :-( 2. You can insert the grace notes after the last beat (or note) of the preceding bar (measure). Finale wouldn't tell you there are too many beats. Hans God told me how this music should be played, but you are an obstacle. Arturo Toscanini at a rehearsal. Op 05-jul-07, om 15:37 heeft dr.a.s. weinstangel het volgende geschreven: Dear collective wisdom: Two questions: 1. To slash a flagged grace note is easy. But, how to get slashed beamed grace notes, without having to manually place a slash on each group (and then have it move somewhere else every once in a while)? 2. I would like to place beamed grace notes that precede downbeats into the previous bar. Could this be done globally for given sections of the piece? Thanks for your help, Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/ results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergiesmkt=en-caFORM=SERNEP ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
On Jul 5, 2007, at 9:37 AM, dr.a.s. weinstangel wrote: Dear collective wisdom: Two questions: 1. To slash a flagged grace note is easy. But, how to get slashed beamed grace notes, without having to manually place a slash on each group (and then have it move somewhere else every once in a while)? Sorry, articulation or note-attached expression are the only two ways I know of. Though perhaps a Smart line would do it, too. I find articulations tend to wander more than expressions, so I would go with expressions if it was me. 2. I would like to place beamed grace notes that precede downbeats into the previous bar. Could this be done globally for given sections of the piece? If there are other notes in the previous measure, then this is easy, but I don't think you would be asking in that case. I imagine you want grace notes in an otherwise empty measure, perhaps the last measure of a multi-measure rest? I would create the notes as a graphic and import it as a Shape expression, then position it wherever it needed to be. You would have to come up with a different graphic if ever there was a different configuration of notes, stems up or down, or accidentals. You can set them to auto-place, too, which saves some messing around. Be aware, however, that handles on Shape expressions have been acting very weirdly for the last couple of versions of Finale. You might find your Shape expressions wandering even more than your articulations! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: 2. I would like to place beamed grace notes that precede downbeats into the previous bar. Could this be done globally for given sections of the piece? If there are other notes in the previous measure, then this is easy, but I don't think you would be asking in that case. I think you've misunderstood. It seems to me that he's not asking how to make such grace notes in the first place, but how to *move* them from the beginning of one bar to the end of the preceding bar. In my experience, the only way to do this is to erase the grace notes and re-enter them. If someone knows of a plug-in that will do this globally or regionally, I'd really, really like to know about it, especially inasmuch as certain Finale operations cause grace notes entered at the end of a bar to move into the following bar, from wh. they cannot be retrieved save by erasure and reentry. As for slashes on beamed graces, I find a smart-shape line very much the way to go, as it will be very stable and adjust its length and angle to match your layout. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: On Jul 5, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: 2. I would like to place beamed grace notes that precede downbeats into the previous bar. Could this be done globally for given sections of the piece? If there are other notes in the previous measure, then this is easy, but I don't think you would be asking in that case. I think you've misunderstood. It seems to me that he's not asking how to make such grace notes in the first place, but how to *move* them from the beginning of one bar to the end of the preceding bar. In my experience, the only way to do this is to erase the grace notes and re-enter them. Ah, I didn't know he was asking THAT. If someone knows of a plug-in that will do this globally or regionally, I'd really, really like to know about it, especially inasmuch as certain Finale operations cause grace notes entered at the end of a bar to move into the following bar, from wh. they cannot be retrieved save by erasure and reentry. I'm sorry, but I don't get what you are meaning. I've never had trouble with these at the end of a measure, and nothing I have ever done has ever caused them to move into the next measure. Can you be specific? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't get what you are meaning. I've never had trouble with these at the end of a measure, and nothing I have ever done has ever caused them to move into the next measure. Can you be specific? I think it happens in a number of different circumstances, which I'm not certain of because I've never jotted down anything when it happens. I do know for certain, though, that if you have a measure w. too many notes, and tell Finale to send the extra notes down the line, any nachschlags encountered along the way will become attached to the next beat/bar instead of the preceding one. A particularly common circumstance for me is if I have inadvertently omitted a bar in one part, I often don't discover it until 10-20 bars later. To make room for the omitted bar, I enter extra rests at the end of the bar preceding, then tell Finale to shove everything down the line. That's when any post-beat graces get transferred. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
Just a quick thank you to everyone who responded to my questions. Your answers have confirmed what I have thought was the situation. I have now manually entered the grace notes into the preceding bars, erased them from were they used to be, and added slashes with expression tool, while praying that they do not move from their assigned spots. Until the next quagmire, Best, Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: dr.a.s. weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Slashed grace notes Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2007 09:37:54 -0400 Dear collective wisdom: Two questions: 1. To slash a flagged grace note is easy. But, how to get slashed beamed grace notes, without having to manually place a slash on each group (and then have it move somewhere else every once in a while)? 2. I would like to place beamed grace notes that precede downbeats into the previous bar. Could this be done globally for given sections of the piece? Thanks for your help, Dr.A.S.Weinstangel [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergiesmkt=en-caFORM=SERNEP ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale _ Tell us your tech love story in the Summer Lovin Competition for your chance to win laptop loaded with Windows Vista, Office 2007 and Windows Live OneCare. http://www.microsoft.com/canada/home/contests/summerlovin/default.aspx ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
At 06:37 PM 7/5/2007 -0400, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Jul 2007 at 17:37, Andrew Stiller wrote: A particularly common circumstance for me is if I have inadvertently omitted a bar in one part, I often don't discover it until 10-20 bars later. To make room for the omitted bar, I enter extra rests at the end of the bar preceding, then tell Finale to shove everything down the line. That's when any post-beat graces get transferred. But that's *exactly* why it's happening -- you're restranscribing the input, and that's why it ends up somewhere you don't want it. I think David's right. The regular drag-and-drop won't overlap itself, so when that kind of left-out measure happens to me (often enough!), I create a quick scratch staff at the bottom, mass-edit drag-and-drop the group down to it, drag-and-drop it back up with one measure offset, and delete the scratch staff. So long as auto-update layout is turned off, it doesn't bother anything else doing it that way, all all grace notes are preserved. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
On 5 Jul 2007 at 17:37, Andrew Stiller wrote: A particularly common circumstance for me is if I have inadvertently omitted a bar in one part, I often don't discover it until 10-20 bars later. To make room for the omitted bar, I enter extra rests at the end of the bar preceding, then tell Finale to shove everything down the line. That's when any post-beat graces get transferred. But that's *exactly* why it's happening -- you're restranscribing the input, and that's why it ends up somewhere you don't want it. -- David W. Fentonhttp://dfenton.com David Fenton Associates http://dfenton.com/DFA/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slashed grace notes
On Jul 5, 2007, at 6:37 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 5 Jul 2007 at 17:37, Andrew Stiller wrote: A particularly common circumstance for me is if I have inadvertently omitted a bar in one part, I often don't discover it until 10-20 bars later. To make room for the omitted bar, I enter extra rests at the end of the bar preceding, then tell Finale to shove everything down the line. That's when any post-beat graces get transferred. But that's *exactly* why it's happening -- you're restranscribing the input, and that's why it ends up somewhere you don't want it. And yet, all kinds of specialized tuplets, syncopations and other refinements that normally get all fouled up when retranscribing do not get that way when moved down the line by the overfilled-measure technique. It's just end-of-beat grace notes. By me, that's a bug--especially inasmuch as no imaginable tweaking of the retranscription parameters will get rid of the undesired behavior. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://www.kallistimusic.com/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
